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#41 Blue 250

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Posted 12 Feb 2008 - 19:49

Yes, saying that they're both bad! So obviously it wasn't about us rather having them than Kenwright :rolleyes:



:huh: .........Errrrm OK!, Mate................................ :rolleyes:
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Posted 12 Feb 2008 - 19:49

Lerner would have never been interested in the club back then, though.

However, if the club can somehow get back into a presentable position for someone along the lines of Lerner, that'd be grand.



He was, he looked at us first.
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Posted 12 Feb 2008 - 19:54

:huh: .........Errrrm OK!, Mate................................ :rolleyes:


Well it's not about how fucking rosey it is for the shite with them in charge is it? Obviously.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 00:33

In my experience there are four basic types of team owners.

Type A is Spendthrift and Hands-on, or what I call the ruthless businessman. He doesn't give a crap about the team, the sport, or the fans. His only goals are to make a profit every year, and an even bigger profit when he re-sells the team someday; everything else, including winning, is secondary. Even if he's worth billions he still spends money on his team only grudgingly, and usually only when it's necessary to placate the fans or a new managerial hire, not to improve the team on the field. He won't sign off on anything that he thinks is too expensive, no matter how necessary his football people tell him it is. Any success for a team owned by the ruthless businessman is usually a lucky accident, and never lasts more than a season or two.
Example: Al-Fayed at Fulham fits the bill

Type B is Frugal and Hands-off, or what I call the smart businessman. He may or may not be a fan of the team or the sport, but it almost doesn't matter because he knows that other people are fans and his focus is doing his best to keep them happy. He realizes that smart spending increases the team's chances of success, and more success means more fans and a better, more profitable business in the long run. He ultimately controls the purse and sets the budget, but beyond that the smart businessman is willing to leave the football decisions to the football people on his staff, trusting them to make the right decisions. These are usually the most desirable owners (from a fan's perspective) and often - though not always - prove to be the most successful over the long-term.
Examples: Steve Gibson at Boro (he's done so much for that club that the fans still love him even when they're languishing in mid-table), and so far Lerner at AV is putting himself in this group too

Type C is Frugal and Hands-on, or what I call the fantasy football owner. He thinks he knows more about football than his manager or anyone else in the organization, and is willing to spend a lot of money on the biggest names he can attract to his team. He has little or no regard for team chemistry and continuity, and so is rarely successful in the long term without a strong manager who is capable of managing the wide variety of playing styles and egos his owner keeps adding to the roster. Signings, transfers, even who plays and who sits; if the fantasy owner has an opinion on those or any other decisions he's going to make himself heard, and woe betide the manager or team executive who defies his wishes. Fans initially love his willingness to spare no expense for the team, but can turn against him for his interference and meddling if all that spending still doesn't bring success.
Example: Abramovich at Chelsea is the classic example, and Mike Ashley at Newcastle seems to be heading this way

Type D is Spendthrift and Hands-off, or what I call the little owner that could. He wants his team to succeed, understands how a championship-winning organization should be run, and tries to model things after the smart businessman, setting the budget and letting his football people make most of the decisions, but for some reason he just lacks the revenue streams to consistently contend above a certain level. Perhaps his team has the disadvantage of playing in a smaller market, is saddled with an old/obsolete stadium, or doesn't have a big enough fan base to support his ambitions beyond a certain point. The little owner that could's teams are frequently famous for their youth development programs, and equally famous for selling off their young players once they start getting older and more expensive. If he can find more revenues somewhere he is capable of evolving into a Type B owner, but if he can't break the glass ceiling then he may end up frustrating his team's fans more than satisfying them, with the fruits of success so close but always seeming to dangle just barely out of reach.
Example: Kenwright seems to fall into this category, and I'd also put Dave Whelan at Wigan here - I think he's taken that club about as far as it can realistically go with their small market and limited fan base

Obviously Type B is usually the best kind of owner to have and Type A is usually the worst, but choosing between C and D often comes down to personal choice. Would you rather have a Type C owner who spends lots of money but turns the organization into a sideshow circus with all of his meddling and sometimes seemingly nonsensical decisions, who has an equal chance of bringing your team spectacular success or spectacular failure? Or would you rather have a Type D owner who doesn't have as much money to spend as a lot of other teams, but runs a solid and thoroughly professional organization that almost always gets the most out of whatever resources it has to work with?
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 08:19

Correct me if i'm wrong JD but i gather you are trying to tell us that Kenwright is the best option. Or did you miss out on a category "E".
The Chairman who picked up a business at the right time and at the right price, who was unwilling to spend any money, because basicly he has'nt got any, and was lucky enough to choose a manager that has done more to steady the ship than anyone due to his exploits on the field.
While the fans are indeed appeased by the achievements and increased quality of the product on the field, the off field antics of the business are now worse than ever and is seriously in debt, it makes no difference how good the product is, if you are not selling enough you can not and will not make a profit.
My personal opinion is that the Chairman "E" has achieved a lifelong ambition to own the business and is revelling being in that position, so much so that he is very loathe to relinquish it and has even gone to the extremes of selling off all the Clubs assets in a bid to remain in the position for as long as he possibly can.
Now that all the off the field assets have been sold and the debts have not been reduced (they have increased) the only assets left to the club now are on the field. How long before he has to start selling those.
I think Chairman "E" was a temporary quick fix and i'm sure most people are grateful for what he did, but i think its time he moved over and made room for Chairman A.B.C.or D. i',m not bothered which one, but this business can not keep going deeper and deeper into debt.

Thanks Bill but please go soon. :)
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 09:51

absolutely right on the money JD, brilliant post. Kenwright is doing all he realistically can and he is the best we can realistically do at the moment. No Randy Lerner type is going to buy us as at the moment - we just don't have the catchment area (which was a major factor why he didn't buy us in the first place and went for Villa) or the land value and we have too much debt.

Also, I don't quite see how off the field we're worse than ever, we've got our biggest ever sponsorship deal, we were in the top 20 richest clubs or something the other year etc - am I missing something? Surely our debt is increasing due to the vast sums of money we've spent on transfers in the last couple of years (well spent money) and due to the fact that we have increased the size of the squad and finally started paying decent wages so we can actually sign good players. Plus our ticket prices are nowhere near as high as most clubs in the league (a good thing) and our capacity is now somewhat limited compared to the bigger clubs. This all means that revenue from the fans is staying virtually the same, but wages and transfer fees are increasing exponentially, it's another reason why we need to move.

It seems that no one wants to give BK any credit for signing Moyes (indeed he was an up and coming manager - so was Peter Taylor, look at him now), it was stroke of luck apparently, like signing off on great transfer fees was also either lucky or nothing to do with BK. It's funny how everything that has gone right with Everton over the last few years is nothing to do with Kenwright, but everything that goes wrong is his fault.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 10:16

Carl, i'm not going to get into another in depth argument with you, cos i cant be arsed, but the transfers were funded by selling off everything the club possessd, it now has no more assets to sell and we are 20 million pounds deeper in debt than we were two years ago.
I appreciate BK did well in the initial takeover of the club, but now he nor the Club have any more finances and the only assets left are on the pitch.
I've already said thank you to Bk for what he did but its time for him to move out. I've given my opinion and you've given yours, now dont keep going on about it because it does'nt fall in line with what you said.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 10:38

we also have a new state of the art training facility - Finch Farm, rather than a rubbishy training ground - that's another reason why we're £20m more in debt. I honestly don't see what the problem is, we may be £20m more in debt that we were 2 years ago, but in that time we're signed Lescott, Arteta, Yakubu, Baines, Howard, AJ? (I think). Selling Lescott or Arteta alone would get us about 75%+ of that £20m back. I'm not saying things are perfect and I don't think anyone would dispute that having someone like Randy Lerner come in would be a good thing, but what I'm saying is that is not going to happen until we move grounds or increase our revenue substantially (which is unlikely). So in summing up, BK is the best we can do and with the resources he has at his disposal he has done a fantastic job.

and please can you stop telling me what to do and having sly digs, I'm not 10 years old. I'm allowed to elaborate on my points and you don't have to read them - so less of the patronisation please, it's getting annoying.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 10:40

We actually don't own Finch Farm, we sold it before it was even built
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 10:42

"we also have a new state of the art training facility - Finch Farm",


It was sold before it was finished, the Club dont own it. :rolleyes:

And it is very annoying when you cant accept anybody elses opinion but your own inflated egotisical view.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 11:07

We actually don't own Finch Farm, we sold it before it was even built

I didn't know that, fair point and that is a little concerning - at least we still have use of the excellent facilities.

and Licker, I don't accept your opinion because I don't agree with it - that's why people have arguments or debates. I do accept your entitled to your opinion, but if you say things that I disagree with (and vice versa) then I'm within my rights to question it until I'm satisfied that what you're saying is actually sound or until I hopefully change your mind. That's how all arguments/debates work, decisions would never be made and differences of opinion never reconciled if everyone just went oh well that's his opinion so that's ok then. I don't want arguments, just good debates and if I learn something (like finch farm) then all the better for it.

I know I have a bit of a character flaw when it comes to not being able to let things go, I tend to over analyse and I can end up going on about the same things until I've explored every angle! It's just my way, but I do try my best!

Edited by carlmc25, 13 Feb 2008 - 11:10.

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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 11:18

I didn't know that, fair point and that is a little concerning - at least we still have use of the excellent facilities.

and Licker, I don't accept your opinion because I don't agree with it - that's why people have arguments or debates. I do accept your entitled to your opinion, but if you say things that I disagree with (and vice versa) then I'm within my rights to question it until I'm satisfied that what you're saying is actually sound or until I hopefully change your mind. That's how all arguments/debates work, decisions would never be made and differences of opinion never reconciled if everyone just went oh well that's his opinion so that's ok then. I don't want arguments, just good debates and if I learn something (like finch farm) then all the better for it.

I know I have a bit of a character flaw when it comes to not being able to let things go, I tend to over analyse and I can end up going on about the same things until I've explored every angle! It's just my way, but I do try my best!


And you say your not 10?
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 11:43

And you say your not 10?

this coming from the man who doesn't even know when to use you're.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 11:48

An opinion is an opinion and not fact, therefore it does not necessarily need any proving, its an opinion.


Grammar Okay. ??
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 11:53

One of the other ways to attract a new owner with big money, other than just moving to a bigger stadium, would surely be the following!

Continue to push for 4th spot over the next couple of seasons, therefore playing in Europe each season and winning a couple of trophies......This season for instance we are on the right road.

With the current squad fit, I can't see why we can't do that for the next couple of seasons!

The name Everton will be taken notice of, already teams don't like playing us and even BIG teams seem to think a draw against us is a decent result......although most seem to beat us :angry:

Kenwright said he'd wait for the right offer!.......If we keep doing what were doing at the moment and perhaps even a little better.......maybe it will come!

Kenwright and Moyes have got us to this point where we are now being talked about as a good team/club.....is this what Kenwright has worked towards?

Pound for pound I can't see that were anything other than better off than nearly all of the other teams in the Prem......sure we have debt, who hasn't, ground not perfect but it's our's and unlike a lot with their new big stadiums we can just about fill it week in week out.

Rich new owners!......Money can run out!......Half filled big new stadiums, souls ripped out of clubs......Take your time Mr Kenwright, this is a very special club.....and thanks for getting us up there where we belong.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 11:58

this coming from the man who doesn't even know when to use you're.


I'd rather understand the concept of differing opinions than be worried about using correct grammar, spelling and punctuation on an internet forum ;)
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 12:01

Nice post Blue and well put, I respect your opinion. :)
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 12:02

One of the other ways to attract a new owner with big money, other than just moving to a bigger stadium, would surely be the following!

Continue to push for 4th spot over the next couple of seasons, therefore playing in Europe each season and winning a couple of trophies......This season for instance we are on the right road.

With the current squad fit, I can't see why we can't do that for the next couple of seasons!

The name Everton will be taken notice of, already teams don't like playing us and even BIG teams seem to think a draw against us is a decent result......although most seem to beat us :angry:

Kenwright said he'd wait for the right offer!.......If we keep doing what were doing at the moment and perhaps even a little better.......maybe it will come!

Kenwright and Moyes have got us to this point where we are now being talked about as a good team/club.....is this what Kenwright has worked towards?

Pound for pound I can't see that were anything other than better off than nearly all of the other teams in the Prem......sure we have debt, who hasn't, ground not perfect but it's our's and unlike a lot with their new big stadiums we can just about fill it week in week out.

Rich new owners!......Money can run out!......Half filled big new stadiums, souls ripped out of clubs......Take your time Mr Kenwright, this is a very special club.....and thanks for getting us up there where we belong.

Agreed, another superb post. You have to spend to make money as I've already said, Everton have put their money into the squad in the belief that results on the pitch will get us the revenue and recognition we need.

The only problem is, can we wait and see if we keep being successful and a new owner steps in, meaning we don't have to move out of Goodison? I don't think so personally, as it may not happen - leaving us with Goodison which will need serious redeveloping which we just cannot afford. I, like everyone I suspect, do not want Everton to move from Goodison, but I just can't see how we can turn down Kirkby, it's too good to be true.

Licker, opinions may not need proving (I never asked for proof) but they should be able to be justified otherwise what is your opinion based on? The grammar wasn't ok - its should have been it's. Unlucky. :)
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 12:09

One of the other ways to attract a new owner with big money, other than just moving to a bigger stadium, would surely be the following!

Continue to push for 4th spot over the next couple of seasons, therefore playing in Europe each season and winning a couple of trophies......This season for instance we are on the right road.

With the current squad fit, I can't see why we can't do that for the next couple of seasons!

The name Everton will be taken notice of, already teams don't like playing us and even BIG teams seem to think a draw against us is a decent result......although most seem to beat us :angry:

Kenwright said he'd wait for the right offer!.......If we keep doing what were doing at the moment and perhaps even a little better.......maybe it will come!

Kenwright and Moyes have got us to this point where we are now being talked about as a good team/club.....is this what Kenwright has worked towards?

Pound for pound I can't see that were anything other than better off than nearly all of the other teams in the Prem......sure we have debt, who hasn't, ground not perfect but it's our's and unlike a lot with their new big stadiums we can just about fill it week in week out.

Rich new owners!......Money can run out!......Half filled big new stadiums, souls ripped out of clubs......Take your time Mr Kenwright, this is a very special club.....and thanks for getting us up there where we belong.


I'm in agreement with that mate and one of my biggest fears is that we move to Kirkby in the search for investement and when it comes they turn around and say, "I'd have never moved you out the city". We are on the right track to progress both on the field and in attracting investement so why the rush for the stadium move right now it's proberbly the least important time in the last 10 years to be making this step. I belive we can attract investement with our on the pitch actions over the comming seasons and when that happens we are going to be in a position of power in our stadium move rather than being the sideshow to the Tesco Circus!

Playing the long game has given us what we have today (that is something Kenwright deserves credit for!) so lets continue with the slow & steady in all areas and we will end up better off in the end!
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 12:12

I've come to the conclusion your a tosser, and fook the grammar you silly boy. And thats an opinion.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 12:17

Agreed, another superb post. You have to spend to make money as I've already said, Everton have put their money into the squad in the belief that results on the pitch will get us the revenue and recognition we need.

The only problem is, can we wait and see if we keep being successful and a new owner steps in, meaning we don't have to move out of Goodison? I don't think so personally, as it may not happen - leaving us with Goodison which will need serious redeveloping which we just cannot afford. I, like everyone I suspect, do not want Everton to move from Goodison, but I just can't see how we can turn down Kirkby, it's too good to be true.

Licker, opinions may not need proving (I never asked for proof) but they should be able to be justified otherwise what is your opinion based on? The grammar wasn't ok - its should have been it's. Unlucky. :)



I know im shit at Anthing to do with English but that shouldnt be a Capital? I hold my hands up if im wrong.

Kirkby Deal is to good to be True? :wacko:

Edited by jacko1990, 13 Feb 2008 - 12:20.

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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 12:17

I'm in agreement with that mate and one of my biggest fears is that we move to Kirkby in the search for investement and when it comes they turn around and say, "I'd have never moved you out the city". We are on the right track to progress both on the field and in attracting investement so why the rush for the stadium move right now it's proberbly the least important time in the last 10 years to be making this step. I belive we can attract investement with our on the pitch actions over the comming seasons and when that happens we are going to be in a position of power in our stadium move rather than being the sideshow to the Tesco Circus!

Playing the long game has given us what we have today (that is something Kenwright deserves credit for!) so lets continue with the slow & steady in all areas and we will end up better off in the end!

I agree with all that and that's fair enough, but I also trust in Kenwright wanting what is best for this club. We'd all love to stay at Goodison or in the heart of the city (ie not Speke) and Kenwright must know how unpopular Kirkby is and how if it goes wrong he will be forever blamed, but he thinks it's the right thing to do and he must be getting advised by some of the most respected names in the business, rather than the man on the street or on the phone-ins. The Liverpool Council may come out with all these big noises about sites, but it was too little, too late - and after seeing the city council voted as the worst in the country twice recently I have little faith in their claims anyway. The Kirkby deal will have a lifespan, if we don't go for it now someone else will snap up the land and we're left with no back-up plan apart from redeveloping Goodison which will cost a fortune, a fortune we don't have.

It basically comes down to who you believe, Kenwright and his team of experts, or the man on the street who knows little of what actually goes on behind the scenes. I believe Kenwright.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 12:22

I've come to the conclusion your a tosser, and fook the grammar you silly boy. And thats an opinion.

You came to that conclusion many months ago and you let everyone know it in every post you write so it's not exactly big news, but thanks for clarifying.

Edited by carlmc25, 13 Feb 2008 - 12:25.

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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 12:25

I've come to the conclusion your a tosser, and fook the grammar you silly boy. And thats an opinion.



Cheers Bill :huh:


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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 12:29

I agree with all that and that's fair enough, but I also trust in Kenwright wanting what is best for this club. We'd all love to stay at Goodison or in the heart of the city (ie not Speke) and Kenwright must know how unpopular Kirkby is and how if it goes wrong he will be forever blamed, but he thinks it's the right thing to do and he must be getting advised by some of the most respected names in the business, rather than the man on the street or on the phone-ins. The Liverpool Council may come out with all these big noises about sites, but it was too little, too late - and after seeing the city council voted as the worst in the country twice recently I have little faith in their claims anyway. The Kirkby deal will have a lifespan, if we don't go for it now someone else will snap up the land and we're left with no back-up plan apart from redeveloping Goodison which will cost a fortune, a fortune we don't have.

It basically comes down to who you believe, Kenwright and his team of experts, or the man on the street who knows little of what actually goes on behind the scenes. I believe Kenwright.


I'll not go into this in this thread but Kenwright has offered nothing to believe, everything has already changed from what was initially said and we havent even got planning permission yet!
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 12:35

"You came to that conclusion many months ago and you let everyone know it in every post you write so it's not exactly big news, but thanks for clarifying."




You clarified it yourself by your antics on this board. Droning on about how right you are and how everbody must prove why they think the way they do. I think you should look at yourself very closely and ask, "Why does'nt anybody like me".
Your right about one thing i did make my mind up months ago, after your first post actually and i warned you then that nobody likes a clever dick or a smart arse and you left in a childish tantrum because i had the nerve to speak honestly, but it obviously didnt register because you came back to this board even worse than you were before you left. What happened ? did all the other Forums tell you exactly the same as me. Stop questioning peoples opinions.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 12:36

I'll not go into this in this thread but Kenwright has offered nothing to believe, everything has already changed from what was initially said and we havent even got planning permission yet!

I still prefer it to the alternative which seems to be: sitting back and doing nothing, but crossing our fingers hoping that we do get 4th, we continue to keep hold of Moyes and operate in the upper reaches of the league (with teams like Villa, City, Liverpool getting major investment) and hope that some mega wealthy businessman decides to take pity on us and buy us out of the goodness of his heart.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 12:39

I still prefer it to the alternative which seems to be: sitting back and doing nothing, but crossing our fingers hoping that we do get 4th, we continue to keep hold of Moyes and operate in the upper reaches of the league (with teams like Villa, City, Liverpool getting major investment) and hope that some mega wealthy businessman decides to take pity on us and buy us out of the goodness of his heart.



Do you honestly believe that we'll have a massive amount of financial clout just because we get a tin pot stadium? I don't.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 12:51

"You came to that conclusion many months ago and you let everyone know it in every post you write so it's not exactly big news, but thanks for clarifying."
You clarified it yourself by your antics on this board. Droning on about how right you are and how everbody must prove why they think the way they do. I think you should look at yourself very closely and ask, "Why does'nt anybody like me".
Your right about one thing i did make my mind up months ago, after your first post actually and i warned you then that nobody likes a clever dick or a smart arse and you left in a childish tantrum because i had the nerve to speak honestly, but it obviously didnt register because you came back to this board even worse than you were before you left. What happened ? did all the other Forums tell you exactly the same as me. Stop questioning peoples opinions.

I never went on any other forums, so er no. I used to be on the bbc club messageboards (which were mainly excellent) until they shut down. I've gone out of my way not to argue with you Licker, or get personal - I think you should take a look at yourself to be honest. You consistently get personal, you consistently use abusive language and reply to nearly everything I write. You just can't stop yourself and seem to get wound up by everything I say, why? I couldn't give a rat's ass what you say about me or whether I'm popular on an internet message board, I have more meaningful things in life and enough real friends not to worry about people on here. I come on because I get sick of some of the absolute rubbish the likes of you spout, influencing young minds who don't know better but than to listen to people stuck in the past. I come on to give them a different viewpoint, I say exactly what I believe and always have - if others disagree then fine, but hopefully some people who may just listened to what you say unquestioned may actually now think for themselves and make their own judgements. Once again you've managed to turn this into a slanging match by taking digs (don't go on about it again etc), no doubt I'll get the blame due to buddy culture - hi Bill, hey we're first name term buddies - but you're the one who was looking for this argument, like usual.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 12:54

Do you honestly believe that we'll have a massive amount of financial clout just because we get a tin pot stadium? I don't.

no, but we will have a brand new stadium at little cost, which doesn't need hundreds of millions to rebuild so we will then be a far more attractive proposition to an outside buyer. That's the theory.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 13:04

id prefer to use Pythagoras' Theorum that that one.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 13:06

"You came to that conclusion many months ago and you let everyone know it in every post you write so it's not exactly big news, but thanks for clarifying."
You clarified it yourself by your antics on this board. Droning on about how right you are and how everbody must prove why they think the way they do. I think you should look at yourself very closely and ask, "Why does'nt anybody like me".
Your right about one thing i did make my mind up months ago, after your first post actually and i warned you then that nobody likes a clever dick or a smart arse and you left in a childish tantrum because i had the nerve to speak honestly, but it obviously didnt register because you came back to this board even worse than you were before you left. What happened ? did all the other Forums tell you exactly the same as me. Stop questioning peoples opinions.


I think he puts across a good opinion and agree with a lot of what he says.

So are you saying anyone who doesn't agree with you should not visit the forum? That'll do wonders for the forum...
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 13:10

no, but we will have a brand new stadium at little cost, which doesn't need hundreds of millions to rebuild so we will then be a far more attractive proposition to an outside buyer. That's the theory.


Your being blinded by propeganda Carl the stadium will cost 200mil so with Tesco's 50mil in the pot we will need to find 150mil.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 13:10

im sure you will find many ppl that wont agree with Bill, but they dont persist on posting until he says Yes i agree with you, cos it just aint goin to happen.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 13:15

Your being blinded by propeganda Carl the stadium will cost 200mil so with Tesco's 50mil in the pot we will need to find 150mil.

if that is true then obviously that puts a different perspective on things, where did you hear that? As far as I knew, we were only paying something like £20-50m for the stadium?
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 13:19

I've never heard that we only had to put 20-50 mil in.

ive only heard What Goldfish said.

Carl you better get looking down the back of the sofa for sum loose change.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 13:22

if that is true then obviously that puts a different perspective on things, where did you hear that? As far as I knew, we were only paying something like £20-50m for the stadium?


Just to clarify something mate,

You didnt know we sold Finch Farm & You dont know the details of what the stadium is projected to cost but you still defend these people and claim Kenwright / Kirkby is the answer to our prayers?

They are spoon feeding you information in the hope that you wont question it and by the looks of things you havent!
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 13:26

I've never heard that we only had to put 20-50 mil in.

ive only heard What Goldfish said.

Carl you better get looking down the back of the sofa for sum loose change.

I quote (from Terry Leahy - Tesco guy, to Evertonians):

Clearly itís possible to lift the stadium design for Kirkby (or one like it) and drop it onto Goodison or the loop site Ė and in my heart as a fan, it looks nice. But unless the club is offered a concrete proposal to own a £150 million stadium for around £35 million investment by Everton, and delivered by 2010 / 11 then Iím afraid it is not a realistic option.

The stadium is supposed to cost around £150-200m, but we're only meant to be paying about £35m, that's where I'm getting my figures from.
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 13:31

I quote (from Terry Leahy - Tesco guy, to Evertonians):

Clearly itís possible to lift the stadium design for Kirkby (or one like it) and drop it onto Goodison or the loop site Ė and in my heart as a fan, it looks nice. But unless the club is offered a concrete proposal to own a £150 million stadium for around £35 million investment by Everton, and delivered by 2010 / 11 then Iím afraid it is not a realistic option.

The stadium is supposed to cost around £150-200m, but we're only meant to be paying about £35m, that's where I'm getting my figures from.


I cant be arsed finding the quote but the same bloke has confirmed Tesco will be paying 50mil only so by your sums when we start digging in Kirkby we need to dig up 115mil in order to have enough cash for the stad.

Yes I know it doesnt make sense thats why we are questioning, not because we dont want this but because there are contradictions in ever release of info so which is correct? The safe option is to demand the truth not sit back and praise Kenwright!
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Posted 13 Feb 2008 - 13:33

Just to clarify something mate,

You didnt know we sold Finch Farm & You dont know the details of what the stadium is projected to cost but you still defend these people and claim Kenwright / Kirkby is the answer to our prayers?

They are spoon feeding you information in the hope that you wont question it and by the looks of things you havent!

I'm still waiting for where this £150m figure is coming from? I believe official statements not rumour, if you know something different then I'd like to know the source so I can check up on it.

To further quote Leahy (a very successful businessman and Evertonian who knows what he is doing)

I have heard it suggested that a Ďnoí vote for Kirkby would precipitate a change at the club, and thereby increase the likelihood of new investment. I have two reactions; first Bill Kenwright, Keith Wyness and David Moyes have turned a relegation side into a European side, something that a number of better invested clubs have failed to do. Second, the prospect of outside investment in the club is massively increased by the Kirkby proposal. Without it, any prospective investor knows that the first £150 million of investment would have to go into a stadium, with nothing to show on the pitch. With Kirkby, new investment could go straight into the team, with the prospect of a return by way of better results.

One final point, in my business life I have learned the most valuable commodity is trust. Without it you donít have much to build on. I may not always like it, but Iíve learned to trust the people closest to issues to make the best judgement. When the Board, the manager and the leading players of Everton are unanimous that a move to Kirkby is right, I know they have the best interest of the club at heart and I trust their judgement. Whichever way I look at it, the heart says Goodison but the head says Kirkby.


I agree with all that, he's an intelligent guy who doesn't make many bad decisions. But as I say, if you have any hard evidence to prove your claims of £150m are accurate then that would make things very different, but I think you have actually misread the costs involved.
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