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#1 Louis


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Posted 10 Jun 2008 - 20:53

Keith Wyness said in the echo today that Kirkby is the only suitable site he's looked at out of 35.

From http://www.liverpool....0252-21049140/

“This is the 35th option that was looked at. When we say it is the deal of the century, it is because it is very hard to achieve what has come about with this application.

Some sites shouldn't be on the list because it is abundantly obvious that a stadium wouldn't go there and some have poor reasons for being neglected.

Here is the full list:

Alternative Sites for a Stadium

The Retail Assessment is accompanied by a review of potential sites in the Merseyside
area for the development of a new stadium for EFC. The new stadium requirements
are specified. In particular it should have a 50,000 seat capacity with full compliance
with latest standards, unimpeded views of the pitch for all spectators, hospitality
facilities and an image and status commensurate with the Club’s standing. The search
area is the wider Liverpool area. Consideration is also given to availability (ie within an
acceptable timeframe), viability (ie will the development work from a funding
perspective) and suitability.

Reference is made to the search for potential stadium sites carried out by Liverpool FC
in recent years. This having been drawn up with contributions from Liverpool, Sefton
and Knowsley Councils. Furthermore, it has been reviewed (and accepted) by
Liverpool City Council in assessing the applications for planning permission for the Club’s
relocation to Stanley Park. The sites examined by Liverpool FC have been
supplemented by 3 additional options identified as a result of publicity around EFC’s
intended move. In total 35 sites have been assessed.

The above bit in bold is a posh way of saying Everton looked at 3 of these sites, the rest were taken from Liverpool's stadium planning application.

The 35 sites with a brief summation of the assessment is provided below:

1. Existing Anfield Stadium Site
Physically too small and unavailable for ownership and current usage reasons.

2. Atlantic and Netherton Industrial Estate
A strategic employment site in Sefton, with recent planning permission for
development and landowners actively pursuing to develop.

3. Central Docks
A stadium would be a suitable development. However, previous planning
permission and policy designations indicate greater value for other uses. New
owners have recently announced a vision for the site incompatible with a stadium.

4. Former Dunlop Site
Ownership precludes availability and its development for a stadium would impact
on strategic investment programmes.

5. Dunnings Bridge Road
Inadequate size.

6. Everton Park
Major urban park protected by planning policies. Development would be difficult
due to geographical constraints and surrounding residential uses.

7. Former Garden Festival Site
Availability constrained as subject to a current call-in inquiry. Ground conditions
constraints and unsuitability because of waters edge location.

8. Garston Dock
Unsuitable and unavailable because of operational dock and new developments.

9. Gillmoss 1A
An important employment land allocation. Heavily dependent on access by private

10. Gillmoss 1B
No remaining developable area for a stadium and surrounding uses would
constrain suitability for a stadium.

11. John Moores / MTL
Owned by NWDA and actively pursued as a retail, employment and residential
area and an extension to Wavertree Technology Park.

12. Kings Dock
No longer available as now comprises an events arena and associated

13. Prescot Road
Potentially suitable in terms of planning policy. However, it is subject top several
constraints – ground contamination, multiple ownership and highway capacity.

14. Land at Speke Boulevard
Potentially suitable for a stadium and good public transport links. However,
constraints relating to highway access and land purchase costs.

15. Speke Northern Airfield
Residual site capable of accommodating a stadium. Lacks adequate profile for a
stadium. No prospect of enabling development. Also, policy constraints as an
important strategic employment site.

16. Stanley Dock
Too small.

17. Stanley Park
Planning permission for Liverpool FC stadium and thus suitable. But, ground
sharing ruled out.

18. Walton Hall Park
An urban park subject to planning policy presumption against development. Impact
on park and soccer facilities could not be adequately mitigated.

19. Wavetree Playground
Considered unsuitable because of potential impact on Conservation Area, access
is uncertain and unavailable without compensatory provision for park facilities.

20. Bestway Site
Unsuitable in terms of size and accessibility.

21. Edge Lane Retail Park
In use and current value militates against a viable development. Highway capacity

22. Aintree Retail Park ./ Long Lane Industrial Estate
Key constraint is multiple tenures making the site unavailable.

23. Stonebridge Cross
Unavailable because of development proposals.

24. Stanley Market
Considered suitable in principle, but close to minimum site are required and
proximity to housing would affect the net developable area.

25. Calderstones Park
Nature conservation interest and historic parkland setting make site unsuitable.

26. Sefton Park
Unsuitable as impact on Conservation Area and listed historic park could not be

27. Newsham Park
Conservation Area, nature conservation interests and proximity to homes makes
the site unviable for a stadium.

28. Sparrow Hall Playing Fields
Accessed through residential area and part of designated countryside and green
space areas.

29. North Shore
Mix of land ownership, existing uses and building (including listed buildings)
militates against forming a coherent site for a suitable stadium.

30. Land at Speke Boulevard
Considered unsuitable by reason of peripheral location, poor accessibility by noncar
modes and proximity to Jaguar plant.

31. Huyton Business Park
Considered suitable but not available as identified as a strategic gateway site and
currently occupied by industrial and business uses. Thus, not viable.

32. Kirkby Stadium
Good accessibility, but site area limited and constrained by houses adjoining.

33. Knowsley Industrial Estate
Constrained by mix of ownerships and tenures and viability issues.

34. Aintree Race Course
Within Green Belt area and operational requirements of the racecourse would
conflict with those of a stadium.

35. Land South of Kirkby Town centre
Identified as available, suitable and viable, although site is designated urban open
space. Capable of redevelopment as part of wider area regeneration. Has good
accessibility by a variety of modes of transport.

The reasons for dismissal of the option of redeveloping at Goodison Park is addressed
in the Everton Football Club Statement (see later section).

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#2 Jesse11


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Posted 12 Jun 2008 - 12:33

Being from Australia this means nothing to me and i have struggled to grasp the whole issue of Kirkby to be honest. Could someone please explain the situation and fill me in on what is wrong with this Kirkby joint as it seems an unpopular choice.
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Posted 12 Jun 2008 - 15:06

Kirkby, once called Kirkby Newtown, is a largish town built on the outskirts of Liverpool in the post war years. It is to the east of the city somewhat.

It is unpopular with many for various reasons. Some I have listed below.

Kirkby is outside Liverpool, the ancestral home of Everton.
A lot of information coming out about the move was not given out before the vote to a new site was taken.
Some people prefer to regenerate Goodison.
Most people seem to want Everton to be the team to stay in Liverpool, after all we were here first.
Some people in Kirkby are unsure about such an ediface as a football stadium being built on their own backyard.
The new ground will be rented by Everton, not owned by them.
Many people do not like the designs of the new stadium.
Many suspect the stadium will plunge the club into deep debt.
Some people are unsure of the tie in with TESCO who are building a supermarket as part of the developement.
Some are afraid that the move will lose Everton it's identity and it's history.

There are probably a few more that slip my mind right now.
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#4 Jesse11


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Posted 13 Jun 2008 - 08:22

Thanks for that, given me a much better understanding. FUCK KIRKBY
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#5 Josh Berno

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Posted 13 Jun 2008 - 15:46

I really think Wyness is an absolute dick head! :) He must be lying surely?
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#6 Blue4Ever


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Posted 13 Jun 2008 - 15:55

The big headed prick!
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Posted 13 Jun 2008 - 19:20

I really think Wyness is an absolute dick head! :) He must be lying surely?

Lying about what exactly?
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#8 dank87


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Posted 16 Jun 2008 - 00:16

i didn't really know where to post this but this is a kirkby thread so i'll post here...

i was speaking to my dad earlier, and i don't fully understand what he was trying to say
but, in his opinion he can't see everton moving to kirkby. he works for liverpool city council
and according to the people he has spoken to they don't believe everton will move to kirkby
either. my dad was saying something about sefton council and st.helens council objecting
to everton's move because subsequently they will lose money from everton leaving, also
liverpool city council wont want to see us leave if the different councils object the move
my dad said it will lead to a government enquiry which could take up to two years to complete.
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Posted 16 Jun 2008 - 18:22

That is pretty much my understanding of it too 'Dank', nice to see you return by the way :)

A lot's happening behind the scenes now, all interested parties involved are lobbying prominent people now, it's up to the government's north west office and Hazell Blears whether the development can go ahead.

We'll find out within the next 15 days if the stadium will be called in for a public inquiry or not.

If it is, several possible outcomes:

it may not happen due to increased costs - no Kirkby stadium
the government will tell Tesco the plans no good and reject it - no Kirkby stadium
the government may approve it - stadium goes ahead at increased costs
the government may approve it - but everton run out of money to fund the deal - no stadium

If it's not, the stadium will go ahead unless Everton can't afford it.

I couldn't tell you which is more likely to happen because everyone's cards are so close to their chests.

Did you ever get your 1933 programme valued?
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#10 dank87


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Posted 17 Jun 2008 - 14:19

Nah not yet, me dad wont get off his arse n dig it out of the loft.
I think hes got a few programmes from back in the day.

Turns out me grandad was good mates with dixie dean and dixie
spoke about him in his last interview before he died, think it might
of been for radio merseyside i wanna try and get a copy of the interview.
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Posted 17 Jun 2008 - 15:39

the government may approve it - stadium goes ahead at increased costs

KW sucks money from "future revenue streams" out of moyes transfer budget moyes resigns.

thats not the most pessimistic either, we could get relegated.
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#12 Josh Berno

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Posted 17 Jun 2008 - 16:15

Was listening to Pete Price a few days ago on City Talk on the radio and a fella from Kirkby came on and was saying about the new stadium... and by the sounds of it few people in Kirkiby actually want them to build the stadium and they are saying that Tesco are taking over Krikby by building everywhere possible on there 'green space' as he called it.

Pete disagreed saying that Kirkby is going down the drain and this stadium needs to be built and I totaly agree with Pete but surely it would require a stadium to get Kirkby back on its feet.
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