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#1 Louis

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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 16:17

There are rumours that Keith Wyness departed the club yesterday :huh:
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 16:19

As shit as I think he is this isn't the best time for him to leave, we need to get players in and that's part of his job!!!!!
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 17:15

He's gone on holiday to cool off, it was him or Moyes and BK BACKED MOYES. :huh:
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 18:05

http://www.bluekippe...9/club_1.htm#wr

Kipper running it too.

Maybe the finance situation at Everton is really bad? :huh:
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 18:36

[quote name='Licker' post='128948' date='Jul 29 2008, 7:30 PM Kenwright told Wyness all the money from AJ should go to strengthen the team. Wyness threw a wobbly and stormed out, gone on a break for a few days.[/quote]


Do we really not have a pot to piss in then Bill? If that's the situation then it's a disgrace when we finished 5th, sold McFadden for good money, selling AJ for even more good money and thenyou've got the TV money ontop of that. WTF is going on with this club?
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 18:45

The only thing Wyness has come up with is to sell everything to keep money coming in, Now we have nothing left to sell. :angry:
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 19:22

It wouldn't surprise me to be honest he has been treated like shite by Everton fans for trying to move Everton football club forwards on and off the pitch.

The next club to have him will be lucky as he is good at what he does.
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 19:25

It wouldn't surprise me to be honest he has been treated like shite by Everton fans for trying to move Everton football club forwards on and off the pitch.

The next club to have him will be lucky as he is good at what he does.



Forwards, are you blind? He's sold every asset the club has (except the on-field ones, and even that looks like it's begun this summer) and he's still made a loss more often than not. He's shite at his job.
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 19:37

tale is he has quit, not gone on his jollies. he always said he would if he didn't manage the ground move, could, only could, be connected :D
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 19:50

be careful what you wish for....

its either smoke and mirrors whereby he plucks two great signing out the air..in the morning - or he's recieved a bullet in the post..

it could be either with everton.

personally speaking, and despite what side of the fence that you sit on re: the ground move.. off the pitch he's stablised the club no end.

johnson, finch et al do you really want to go back to that...
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 19:52

It wouldn't surprise me to be honest he has been treated like shite by Everton fans for trying to move Everton football club forwards on and off the pitch.

The next club to have him will be lucky as he is good at what he does.



i refer you to the case of KW at Aberdeen, He Tried to move them out of Aberdeen, it got called in, he left.


Nothing Personal, but apart from convincing someone to give us more loans last summer and this, What would you count as KW's Success?
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 19:52

The failure to get planning permission to build houses on Bellefield was a big blow to him and the clubs finances. It would have paid for Finch Farm but now they've had to sell that too. ;)
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 20:00

Think however good he was at his job (which is open to debate) he was/is a lousy public face for the club.

Comes across as an arrogant bully, very dismissive of the views of the ordinary fan and I'd be glad to see the back of him.
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 20:03

in simple terms i just think the club was in a business sense, a mess before his arrival. i liked the fact over time, the mood and the culture of the club changed. it became slicker, it made more from its turnover. everton signicantly reduced it debt, and over the last couple of years got players periodically above its transfer record.. although i dont agree with the ground move i thought both on and off the pitch we were going in the right direction. if true, its a big problem.. in relation to the short term transfer targets and the long term future of everton football club.. i have no doubt about that.

why cant it ever be fucking simple.
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 20:34

in simple terms i just think the club was in a business sense, a mess before his arrival. i liked the fact over time, the mood and the culture of the club changed. it became slicker, it made more from its turnover. everton signicantly reduced it debt, and over the last couple of years got players periodically above its transfer record.. although i dont agree with the ground move i thought both on and off the pitch we were going in the right direction. if true, its a big problem.. in relation to the short term transfer targets and the long term future of everton football club.. i have no doubt about that.

why cant it ever be fucking simple.



We're in more debt now than we were when we were under Johnson's control.
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 20:40

in simple terms i just think the club was in a business sense, a mess before his arrival. i liked the fact over time, the mood and the culture of the club changed. it became slicker, it made more from its turnover. everton significantly reduced its debt, and over the last couple of years got players periodically above its transfer record.. although i dont agree with the ground move i thought both on and off the pitch we were going in the right direction. if true, its a big problem.. in relation to the short term transfer targets and the long term future of everton football club.. i have no doubt about that.

why cant it ever be fucking simple.


It's not as clear cut as that sadly fussybear. Each decision he made has been scrutinized by fans for one reason or another.

JJB deal doesn't do the club justice, despite being out merchandise retail partner they stock more shirts from our rivals. I've heard that part of the deal is for JJB to negotiate with a kit manufacturer and they chose Umbro because they own 10% in that company.

Turnover increased mainly down to Sky's television money coming in. Even then we only managed to turn a profit once during Wyness's tenure, the year Rooney was sold.

There's no argument about Finch Farm vs Bellefield in terms of quality but before we had built Finch Farm complex it had been sold and rented back at high rates. It cost 9.5million to build and the club have the option to buy it back in a few years time for almost double the cost.

If the rumours are true, I'd be happy to see the back of him and I believe that Robert Elstone will make the step up.
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 21:34

Moyes might be the next to go, tho i dont believe Wyness has gone (he,s just taking a breather). Davey can see the club is getting deeper and deeper into debt every season and i dont think they can give him enough money to match his ambitions.

The last three or four seasons has seen us break our transfer record, Beattie 6m, Johnson 8m, and Yakubu 11m, Now we are talking of 15 to 20m for one player but we have had to sell one to raise half the cash, and thats just for one player when we all know we need 3 or 4 players, will we be able to buy any more this season or will we be able to buy anyone next season and who will we have to sell to raise the cash. ??
Unfortunately i think D Moyes will not be able to take us any further, because we havent got the funds to go on any further, this could be the peak of the mountain Davey helped us to climb, but it could be all downhill from here.

This is not to spread doom and gloom, i just have a feeling that this could be a realistic scenario.
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 21:41

all vaild points, i guess the straw poll is somewhere in the region of 60:40 against bully. but in prinicple the finch farm move is a good one. its top class and my understanding is that the deal with KMC is favourable one for both parties. maybe the 13 million chang money over 5 years that he secured will pay for it, and a player or two as well.

nevertheless the handling of the planning permission at belfield is a twat, however it can not be the soley the fault of bully when you take in to consideration our relationship with LCC, who clearly assist liverpool fc more than the oldest club in the city. as for the debt, i kind of disagree, but in saying that whether we agree or not..its clearly managed better, the club clearly have a plan or a vision..

check out the martin samuel article about everton from a couple of months back, it says it better than i ever could.

look i'm not saying he's the answer or in fact the saviour, i'm just saying in a round about way.. he's no where as bad as many would have you believe.. if you take away the ground move and fury (and rightly so) it creates..then we'd be having a debate saying how well he's done for the club.

nevertheless the continued plight with umbro kit's maybe sum's him up, not the most fashionable fat kid on the block.

commence operation Goodison excerise -
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 22:01

This remains a rumour for now and should be treated as such.
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 22:15

A few people have mentioned this to me today, its spread like wild-fire. I'm not getting into the politics of it all, its battered my head all summer, i only wish there is truth in it.
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 22:19

if hes left then hes probably only about three years too late.
but this man has played a bad part in the problems i believe we may see over the next few years.
the club is finanically unstable, our season ticket sales are against loans, our players are against loans, we have at least two mortgages on Goodison and no other off field assets. EFC as a company are in a bad bad way. if anybody doesnt believe that they should take a look at the clubs financial accounts. not pleasant reading.
i hope BK can either find a buyer or find a CEO who actually doesnt have a history of causing problems.

if true, good ridance!
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 22:34

A few people have mentioned this to me today, its spread like wild-fire. I'm not getting into the politics of it all, its battered my head all summer, i only wish there is truth in it.


It's on the website now.

http://evertonfc.com...-statement.html
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Posted 29 Jul 2008 - 23:13

Good news I guess! :)

Surprising the rumours were true though!
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 00:25

Good news I guess! :)

Surprising the rumours were true though!


It's not such good news when we're in the middle of a transfer window tbh.
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 03:36

Not best pleased to hear this now. Can only imagine it means he's failed to pull off Kirkby. if so I have to think our transfer budget is probably minimal. I'm in no way for the move to Kirkby but I get the feeling a good deal of our on field progress was dependent on it.

BTW, there was no mention of this tonight in Chicago from the club though the pub put the announcement up on the TVs.
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 07:17

This is good news for me, and many others who have backed KEIOC all year. The move to Kirkby had no effect on the transfer budget, well thats what Wyness stated :rolleyes_anim: and in truth it shouldn't, when clubs are recieving huge amounts from tv revenue. Were operating at a loss, despite the 3 year plan, and his selling off assets, so Peter can pay Paul only papers over cracks. He's fed us lies throughout the Kirkby fiasco, him and his ex-employers. The wonder now is, why though?
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 07:35

I love the fact that on the o/s and ssn they are reporting moyes to sign contract within 2 weeks. Read between the lines :P
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 07:46

Was going to say the same thing Magic.

When I got up this morning and saw that KW had resigned and then look on the internet and theres a bit about Moyes expecting to sign a new contract and also gives information that AJ wanted to leave Everton and he has told players that new ones will be coming in.

For me something is up. Might be the Kirby move not happening or could be something else but for me something is very fishy at the moment
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 08:14

Think it's kirkby. Fatpants would have hung around even to just gloat if it was going ahead, think he got wind it was being called in and jumped before he was pushed.

Time will tell, but from now on it should be about the club moving forward and not about fatpants construction company!
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 08:23

Apparently Ian Ross has been on Radio Merseyside saying that Wyness exit not unlike the transfer budget is not linked to Kirkby
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 08:33

just been ok skysports that moyes is going to sign a new contract in the week so this must be good news for him lol
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 08:40

Wow, they've timed the moyes contract news well. That couldn't possibly be an attemtped pick me up.

I have mixed feelings around Wyness, im glad he has gone becasue of his strong ties with Kirkby, but the problem is that he should be sorting out transfers and we simply don't have any time to lose in the window now and its event like this that will really screw us over.

I was just starting to think that things were looking up transfer wise, guess we're pretty much back at the starting blocks again....
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 08:56

Imagine this scenario in the Boardroom...... BK is and has been for some time asking DM when he is going to sign his contract DMs reply is ..when you come up with some cash to buy the players i need.
Wyness is telling both that the affordable transfer budget is only 15m and if you want anymore you will have to sell to aquire it, no contract is signed and Andrew johnson is sold to boost the budget.
Wyness now with signs spinning around in his head will allow only half to go to the budget and the rest to be filtered into the Club accounts, no contract is signed and Moyes threatens to walk out, BK sitting stony faced taking everything in and not wanting to lose the best manager we have had in 25 years decides in favour of DM, telling Wyness that all the money should go to the manager for team strengthening. Wyness throws a wobbly and walks out.
The following day an announcement from the club to say DM IS VERY CLOSE TO SIGNING HIS CONTRACT, and expects to do so in the next two weeks. Which is of course when the season starts, and by then he will have either got the players he wants and will sign, OR the promise has'nt been honoured and he has,nt got the funds or the players he wants.
In either case we should know in a fortnights time if he is staying or going. Intrigue of the highest order. :)
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 09:09

I have a feeling that it's a combination of factors already stated here. I think the idea that he's walked away before the stadium move gets called in is a good shout. I also think that Kenwright will have seen the sense in backing Moyes. I would imagine it's easier to get a Wyness replacement than a Moyes replacement.
The Moyes contract statement is an interesting one and I think it serves a dual purpose. Of course they'd want to get the news out to calm things down a bit and offer some good news in the wake of the Wyness exit. But I also think that it might be an indication of Moyes' confidence in his transfer activity. It's pretty well accepted that he's been waiting for confirmation of transfer funds before signing anything. I think that this could mean he's been given the go ahead. Anyone who thinks Everton are flailing around in the transfer market, chasing after players like a dog after a car, is a fool. It doesn't work like that. Moyes is a clever man and he knows what he wants. I think we'll be seeing that soon enough.
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 10:38

by the way i don't know if anyone mentioned that in the guardian today it says Wyness may leave to go to Mallorca as he's been approached by that bloke who's just bought them out...
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 11:00

I have to say that at the moment I'm absolutely shitting myself at the situation that Everton are in atm. I'm worried that we have nothing to spend so we won't get the players in that we need and we'll lose Moyes at the end of the season. Worst case scenario I know, but I'm struggling to see any good at Everton right now :(
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 11:23

This really could go either way but my instinct is that it is for the good of Everton. Moyes has come out saying he's gonna sign a contract, that there's money available and the man who was the driving force behind the move to Kirkby has gone. Intriguing times indeed.
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 11:51

Looking between the lines KW has been the blocker on the transfer front, hopefully Kirkby has fell through and its all come to a head. Much rather have cash in the bank buy a team thats worthy of a top of the range stadium then move to somewhere actually in the City. I do think KW wanted the money to push Kirkby through, hopefully we stay at Goodison for now.
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 12:10

Looking between the lines KW has been the blocker on the transfer front, hopefully Kirkby has fell through and its all come to a head. Much rather have cash in the bank buy a team thats worthy of a top of the range stadium then move to somewhere actually in the City. I do think KW wanted the money to push Kirkby through, hopefully we stay at Goodison for now.


What money in the bank? I dont know but "reading between the lines" as you put it ALL our money is borrowed as we are told everyday by the likes of KEIOC...

That money would be borrowed, in the future of course, against brick & morter and possibly increaed revenues at our new ground.......

Why do you alll asume that now all that money earmarked for project Kirkby will fall in DM's lap...........

Have you ever thought that we really really could be flat broke.... Im sure you dont re-mortgage every asset if you have millions in the bank and if, as expected project kirkby falls through, maybe just baybe we wont see all these stars coming to play for are great club...
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Posted 30 Jul 2008 - 12:56

DM, what you have to consider is this current climate won't allow or generate 100% loans/mortgages using collateral, there has to be a deposit or contribution from the loanee. That is what wyness wanted, surplus monies to secure more finances towards kirkby. Moyes wanted the money for players.

The debts incurred at the moment would double in kirkby.
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