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#1 Sprooly

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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 07:08

Everton Could Sell Lescott To Manchester City & Sign Arsenal's Senderos - Report
It seems implausible, but it is being reported that Everton could finally agree to sell their highly-prized defender to Manchester City - and take Arsenal's Swiss misfit in his place, together with

According to the Daily Star, Manchester City are close to landing another of their objects of desire - Everton defender Joleon Lescott - despite the Toffees' consistent insistence that they do not intend to sell the England international.

However, the new factor in the equation, according to the tabloid paper, is that Everton are lining up Arsenal's Philippe Senderos as a replacement.

City's persistence in trying to snare Lescott for a fee of 20 million could finally pay off, according to the report, now that signing Senderos has become an option. Everton had previously rejected offers of 18m and 19m from the big-spending Citizens.

Everton manager David Moyes has been adamant that Lescott would not be leaving Goodison Park, and it seems unlikely that the availability of Senderos has suddenly changed the picture.

It is distinctly possible that Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger would allow Swiss international Senderos - who spent last season on loan at AC Milan - to leave the Gunners, but less plausible that Moyes would regard him as a viable replacement for the highly-rated Lescott.

However, the Toffees would turn a handy profit on such a deal, given that Arsenal reportedly inserted a buy-out clause of 6m for Senderos when they loaned him to Milan.

Should City succeed in persuading Everton to sell Lescott for the quoted fee, it would take Mark Hughes' spending this summer to over 112m. In contrast, should Senderos leave Arsenal for 6m, Wenger - having sold Emmanuel Adebayor (25m) and Kolo Toure (14m) to City, would have raised some 45m, and (so far) spent just 10m on Belgium defender Thomas Vermaelen from Ajax.
http://goal.com/en/n...y-sign-arsenals


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#2 Patto

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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 07:15

im not wild on senderos but if it allows us to bring in a top midfielder id take it...after all jags will be back in 3 months all being well.
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#3 Moe Joe

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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 08:03

I'd call him the Tony Hibbert of CB.

He's a rock in that he can tackle, head and jump, but is prone to the occasional error and is uncomfortable on the ball. Would be good next to Jags. Not sure about Yobo :S

Edited by Moe Joe, 01 Aug 2009 - 08:09.

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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 08:20

http://www.mirror.co...15875-21562941/
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 08:41

I'd rather have Senderos than Gary Cahill lol.

I think if we sign him and sell Lescott, then we will be able to move on and bring in some top quality players. Because lets face it, where not going to get anywhere with the money we have atm. If we can just bring in a replacement for Lescott (Senderos) and sell Lescott for 18 to 25 million, then we will be able to put this behind us and grab some new players. Because all I hear everyday is Lescott this, Lescott that and personally I'd rather he just go (as long as we get a replacement first) and have it over and done with. :)

Edited by EFC247, 01 Aug 2009 - 08:43.

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#6 Patto

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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 08:53

maybe sign the two as we need them...for me cahill is better of the two.
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#7 Moe Joe

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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 09:14

I rate Senderos kinda highly. He has a rock mentality and is quite intelligent, despite some of his mistakes.

If Lescott got sold, it would be good and bad. I'll start with the good. We'd get money. I don't think we have money at the moment. The dough would allow us to fill our right midfield liability, and with Lescott gone we'd need to buy a Left Back for cover.

The bad is that Lescott is a safe option to start the season at least 'ok' when it comes to the back 4. When the new guy (if it be Senderos, Michael Turner, Gary Cahill) or whoever comes in, he'll have to hold that position until October. An irregular to our style of play, and obsolete to our pre season. It is risky, but if City keep going the way they are I can assure that Lescott will go.

Lets look at Senderos again. I like him. But will he be able to bang bang bang adapt before August 15 as the number one guy until October? I know as it is, Moyes wants another CB on top of Lescott (because he thinks we'll keep him) so it probably wouldn't just be Senderos coming in for DC. But still, he'd be our main dude.

Edited by Moe Joe, 01 Aug 2009 - 09:19.

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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 09:33

If we got 25m for Lescott and could replace if with Senderos for 6m I would take it.
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 09:54

He's more error prone than Yobo, no thanks.
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 11:02

Senderos is a big no from me, just the other day I was stating how poor he is. He is far too error prone, if AC Milan don't want to take up an option to buy at 6m and Arsenal don't want him, why is he good enough for us. Big mistake to buy him. For every good tackle there is a lapse of concentration. Back up for 2m maybe, to replace Joleon, no chance.
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 11:03

He's more error prone than Yobo, no thanks.


^^^^^^^^ Summed up my thoughts perfectly!! ^^^^^^

Edited by Blue Oz, 01 Aug 2009 - 11:04.

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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 11:05

So if Senderos is a no, then what are our alternatives?
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 11:17

Here's a quote from an Arsenal forum.

Senderos is a good, intelligent defender, but he can be a bit clumsy. He also breaks down completely when he makes a mistake - if Moyes can get that out of his game, he has a good defender with a lot of experience despite his young age.


So between the lines, he's shite, unless Moyes can save his arse. :lol:
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 11:23

So if Senderos is a no, then what are our alternatives?



Turner from Hull, Wes Brown, Distin, Cahill, Hangeland, Dunne, Richards, Onuha, Lucas Neill, Carvalho? (would be awesome if we could), Ryan Nelson

All of these stand out in the mind for being solid, not senderos, go on any Arsenal forum and you will see what they think of him. We can get better than Senderos.
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 11:46

Turner from Hull, Wes Brown, Distin, Cahill, Hangeland, Dunne, Richards, Onuha, Lucas Neill, Carvalho? (would be awesome if we could), Ryan Nelson

All of these stand out in the mind for being solid, not senderos, go on any Arsenal forum and you will see what they think of him. We can get better than Senderos.

I would take all those in bold before I'd consider Senderos. At least in the likes of Brown, Neill and Richards they can all fill in at right back as well. We should remember that if Lescott leaves we have also lost a versatile player who can play at left back.
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 11:52

Senderos is a big no from me, just the other day I was stating how poor he is. He is far too error prone, if AC Milan don't want to take up an option to buy at 6m and Arsenal don't want him, why is he good enough for us. Big mistake to buy him. For every good tackle there is a lapse of concentration. Back up for 2m maybe, to replace Joleon, no chance.


Because they both play champions league and we don't. And they have cover at cb and we don't. I'm not saying he would be my 1st choice, but he's better than some we've been linked with
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 12:16

Lucas Neill is a complete hack he is shit and is a money hungry ****

i hate him
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 12:21

Turner from Hull, Wes Brown, Distin, Cahill, Hangeland, Dunne, Richards, Onuha, Lucas Neill, Carvalho? (would be awesome if we could), Ryan Nelsen

All of these stand out in the mind for being solid, not senderos, go on any Arsenal forum and you will see what they think of him. We can get better than Senderos.


Most of those are not alternatives though, Im not sure why people mention Wes Brown he will get more time on the pitch this season with Neville being past his best. Distin is 31 he would be a good short term player but would cost to much and looks like signing a new contract with Pompey, Hangeland would be a great player for us but not a sniff of him coming here he would cost far to much, Richards could be a possiblity but would pose a huge risk as his form in the past few seasons a rapidly declined, Dunne is not good enough to be a starting player he would be a good squad player nothing more, Onuha has just sighed a five year contract, Lucas Neill is avarage at best not good enough and Carvalho! not in a million years would he come here his wages will be huge and if he leaves Chelsea he will go to a big European team, And Ryan Nelson is 31 and avarage at best.

Im not a huge fan of Senderos at one point he looked top class at Arsenal but had great players around him, As some have pointed out he is prone to mistakes but at the right price and it would have to be quite low i'd say take a punt on him but only if he was very cheap.

I think we should go for St Ledger myself he's young has more then enough potential he would be my pick of players out of the Championship and can also cover RB well.
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 12:43

Another Arsenal forum quote:

Probably my main complaint and I suppose my own stubborn opinion towards him. I don't see him as a defender in this day and age, but I definitely see him as a good defender in just under a decades time. It really depends on the manager at the time and the make-up of the team exactly. No use being in a Wenger side who is trying to flourish under a Dutch-pseudo French playstyle of attacking football.

Moyes might do some good in Everton. All the best for him if he switches.


The question we need to ask ourselves is:

Will he fill Lescott's gap? No use in him 'being good in 4 years' when we have a mini crisis now. But maybe he could be worth 6 million now, and 20 million in 4 years. Who knows. But then again, we could get Neill for 6 million and we'd only get like 2 seasons out of him.....

Senderos is a good long term investment. But we have problems now. That's the issue.

Edited by Moe Joe, 01 Aug 2009 - 12:45.

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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 13:08

wes browns injured again..we wont pay niells wages richards will stay where he is...id take distan...anyone like ryan shawcross i think hes a collossus and will improve with experience...scores vital goals too.
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 14:49

Issue i have with senderos is his proness to errors and whilst he would be a tempory replacement, come Jags return. It would scare the shit outta me that Senderos and Joey (who is prone to a few mistakes himself) would be like letting floodgates open at either end. If Moyes could iron the mistakes out, you have a very very good player (evident early Arse years and national team performances) and someone who potentially could get better? Carvallho would be agood shout but no way in hell would it happen. He's a title winning team player!
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 15:51

just found this

http://newsnow.co.uk...61570373?-11192
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 16:25

So if Senderos is a no, then what are our alternatives?


Didn't Moyes say that he eventually sees Rodwell at CB? I would think that Moyes would put Rodwell in, and probably get a young lower division CB as a back-up. I think Rodwell is going to be one of the best players in the prem in a couple of years, so I would put faith in him... other-wise i would try and get Richards as part of the deal (would have said Onouha but hes just signed a new deal)
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 16:29

doubt it mate, saw him on the side of the emirates pitch talking to alumnia 45 mins ago, he certainly didn't have pen in hand
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 17:12

We've signed him according to Arseblog:

http://www.oleole.com/blogs/arseblog

One year loan confirmed -

http://www.boerse-ex...799474/newsflow
http://www.nzz.ch/na..._1.3255499.html
http://www.transferm...zu-everton.html
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 21:25

Please be true:)

but again... NOT as a replacement for Lescott. we need both..
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 22:22

If I was moyes now, I would sign Senderos, and try to get Richards and 15 million for Lescott. ( final offer to them ) We would have a solid defense still and an extra 15 million to get us a Defour/Veloso type player.

---------------HOWARD------------
RICHARDS-SENDEROS-JAGIELKA-BAINES
---------VELOSO-----ARTETA-------
-----FELLAINI--CAHILL----PIENAAR-
---------------YAKUBU------------

Looking alot better.
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 22:31

I'm hearing we already signed him but skysports hasn't even reported that were interested in him so i'm not sure what to believe.
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Posted 01 Aug 2009 - 22:40

maybe sign the two as we need them...for me cahill is better of the two.

are you for real? what has gary cahill ever done in his career, I cant remember Bolton keeping many cleensheets last season, we need a quick defender, I would definatly go in for Senderos if we have the money but what do people see in cahill ive never seen him show anything of quality.
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Posted 02 Aug 2009 - 05:27

Cahill is a pretty decent defender on fifa 09
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Posted 02 Aug 2009 - 14:35

If I was moyes now, I would sign Senderos, and try to get Richards and 15 million for Lescott. ( final offer to them ) We would have a solid defense still and an extra 15 million to get us a Defour/Veloso type player.

---------------HOWARD------------
RICHARDS-SENDEROS-JAGIELKA-BAINES
---------VELOSO-----ARTETA-------
-----FELLAINI--CAHILL----PIENAAR-
---------------YAKUBU------------

Looking alot better.


I said it once before, there is 0 chance of you getting Richards. Just like there was with Onuoha.
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Posted 02 Aug 2009 - 14:41

I said it once before, there is 0 chance of you getting Richards. Just like there was with Onuoha.


To be honest i dont know why people would want him here in the first place he is turning into a waste of space, Over the last two seasons he seems to have lost his way in a very unstable and inconsistant City team. I would have had him a few seasons ago but not now we could de better with what it would cost to bring him here.
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Posted 02 Aug 2009 - 14:48

To be honest i dont know why people would want him here in the first place he is turning into a waste of space, Over the last two seasons he seems to have lost his way in a very unstable and inconsistant City team. I would have had him a few seasons ago but not now we could de better with what it would cost to bring him here.


It is true he has lost his way but for a defender that is so young he has massive amounts of experience and has enormous amounts of potential. He has years to go before he reaches his prime yet. Similar to Onuoha except that Onuoha had a good season last season as opposed to Richards. It was a bit of a set back for Richards but he still has a long way to go yet and if he does ever reach his full potential he will be immense. It's a big IF though as like you said, he seems to have lost his way a bit.

Edited by cityfan, 02 Aug 2009 - 14:50.

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Posted 02 Aug 2009 - 15:14

are you for real? what has gary cahill ever done in his career, I cant remember Bolton keeping many cleensheets last season, we need a quick defender, I would definatly go in for Senderos if we have the money but what do people see in cahill ive never seen him show anything of quality.

yes im for real ive watched cahill on a number of occasions hes not had a bad game against us some people just dont spot good players until they see them every week.
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Posted 02 Aug 2009 - 16:19

Look Senderous has bags of potential, but so did Danny Cadametri and look what happened to him. The facts don't lie, Milan didn't want and neither do Arsenal. Some of you are HOPING he can produce the goods because it's likely he has signed to replace Lescott, however I'm extremely upset because we simply can't afford to give him time to grow. Hence why Hangerland would have been a far better signing, if we had the money.
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Posted 02 Aug 2009 - 17:31

Look Senderous has bags of potential, but so did Danny Cadametri and look what happened to him. The facts don't lie, Milan didn't want and neither do Arsenal.


....and Dortmund didn't want Pienaar.

Real Sociadad didn't want Arteta.

City don't want Jo but if he plays like he did today all season he could be a huge asset.

By your logic we wouldn't have signed any of them because "the facts don't lie."
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Posted 02 Aug 2009 - 17:59

I like Senderos and think that as cover for CB he would be a good option.
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Posted 02 Aug 2009 - 18:00

Can't see a problem with him, like Mike said Pienaar and Arteta were unwanted and look at them. Hopefully Lescott won't leave but if he does we'll need a replacement sharpish, and if we wait until we've sold Lescott then the selling club will be asking for more cash because we're desperate and have cash.
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Posted 02 Aug 2009 - 18:40

20 mil for Lescott, hell yes, Senderos will do us just fine...
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Posted 02 Aug 2009 - 20:03

20 mil for Lescott, hell yes, Senderos will do us just fine...



I agree, apperently we need the money to get something done.
And the doubt about Lescott and incoming transfers has gone on long enough now.

I rate senderos pretty highly, hopefully a year non-active at Milan didn't leave to much marks on his play.
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