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#161 CraccerC

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Posted 07 Aug 2009 - 17:45

Arteta proved he was good at deep, creative CM for about 3 months last season. Yes he was quality, but he does not have the pedigree of Alonso.

Iniesta is an attacking midfielder, Craccer, Alonso is a playmaking CM like Xavi and Fabregas.

I personally can't name more than 2 players better than Alonso in his position. He is world-class and was the heartbeat of the Liverpool team last season. Benitez was a fool to piss him off.


Actually Xavi is also an attacking midfielder...which was my point when comparing Xavi and Xabi you're talking about attacking and if anything defensive. Xabi's role for Spain is as a back-up so Senna really, he's a deep-lying playmaker. Fabregas is a more typical central midfielder that does a bit of everything and both Iniesta and Xavi are very much attacking midfielders. My point on Iniesta stand though, arguably the best player in the world at the minute (or atleast until his injury). Xavi's game is as an advanced playmaker, he rarely ever loses the ball...his stats are incredible. Iniesta isn't too dissimilar however makes more runs into the box.
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#162 Ian C

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Posted 07 Aug 2009 - 17:47

Actually Xavi is also an attacking midfielder...which was my point when comparing Xavi and Xabi you're talking about attacking and if anything defensive. Xabi's role for Spain is as a back-up so Senna really, he's a deep-lying playmaker. Fabregas is a more typical central midfielder that does a bit of everything and both Iniesta and Xavi are very much attacking midfielders. My point on Iniesta stand though, arguably the best player in the world at the minute (or atleast until his injury). Xavi's game is as an advanced playmaker, he rarely ever loses the ball...his stats are incredible. Iniesta isn't too dissimilar however makes more runs into the box.


Having watched Barcelona multiple times I beg to differ, but agree to disagree lol.
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Posted 07 Aug 2009 - 19:01

You can understand if its Hull and Stoke, but we are the 5th best team in the best league in the world, players should be making their own way here and breaking the door down to get in.
If we lose out on Senderos and Elm it will be because we are not selling ourselves properly, or professionally.



Got to agree, whether or not you agree with the type of player - who they are etc, fact is Moyes has identified them as an achievable target and therefore we should get them. For want of a better word we are abysmal at getting players that other teams are interested in.

Only when there is a player that no one else seems to want are we able to get them. Unfortunately sometimes you need to get in an auction, that is the nature of the business, matches are often won on who wants it more, why not transfers? (always to a point I may add) Maybe if we acted better, sooner and clinically last year we may have got a more mobile midfielder than Fellaini at a lesser cost. Sorry Felli fans.
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Posted 08 Aug 2009 - 12:24

http://www.tribalfoo...senderos-262038
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Posted 08 Aug 2009 - 13:49

Having watched Barcelona multiple times I beg to differ, but agree to disagree lol.


fair enough, i've watched them a lot too so we'll leave it at that.
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 10:40

Seriously how long does it take to sign a frickin player?

Senderos isn't even a top one!
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 10:42

Kenwright has got to sign on before we can make signings. Bit of a back log at the JobCentre with unemployement highs and recession and all that. Don't worry, heard he's going in today. £100 every two weeks. By the end of the season we might be able to afford to borrow Senderos for a week.
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 12:00

Kenwright has got to sign on before we can make signings. Bit of a back log at the JobCentre with unemployement highs and recession and all that. Don't worry, heard he's going in today. £100 every two weeks. By the end of the season we might be able to afford to borrow Senderos for a week.


lol :D it may have something to do with playing the arse first. Wenger might be thinking "if i left him go to Everton and he turns up and heads the winner in extra-time, i'm going to look a right plonker!" In true Del-boy cock-er-ny character.

But in seriousness, that maybe the case?
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 12:14

I think you could be right. Also he could be waiting to have a replacement fully lined up, he's been burned last season by letting people go without replacing them, wouldn't be surprised at all if he's learning from previous mistakes this year.
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 18:27

lol :D it may have something to do with playing the arse first. Wenger might be thinking "if i left him go to Everton and he turns up and heads the winner in extra-time, i'm going to look a right plonker!" In true Del-boy cock-er-ny character.

But in seriousness, that maybe the case?


Sounds about right
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 18:46

Reminds me of the Montinho transfer last season

Blue Bill "So how much for Monty then?

Sporting President "18 million"

Blue Bill "Ok will you take £12 million?"

Sporting President "er no price is "18 million"

Blue Bill "what about 13 million?"

Sporting President "Thats still not 18 million so no"

Blue Bill "Ok ok, 14 million 2 tickets to any west end play you like and an signed autograph of ant and dec"

Sporting president "who are ant and dec?" hangs up phone



I imagine that Arsne Wenger now has free tickets to every future Blue Bill presentation, a signed cast photo from corrie and a firm cash offer of £3.50.

I also think that on a quiet night you can hear the soft "thud thud" of Moyse banging his head on his desk

Edited by London Blue, 10 Aug 2009 - 18:48.

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#172 Chris the Blue

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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 18:50

Reminds me of the Montinho transfer last season

Blue Bill "So how much for Monty then?

Sporting President "18 million"

Blue Bill "Ok will you take £12 million?"

Sporting President "er no price is "18 million"

Blue Bill "what about 13 million?"

Sporting President "Thats still not 18 million so no"

Blue Bill "Ok ok, 14 million 2 tickets to any west end play you like and an signed autograph of ant and dec"

Sporting president "who are ant and dec?" hangs up phone



I imagine that Arsne Wenger now has free tickets to every future Blue Bill presentation, a signed cast photo from corrie and a firm cash offer of £3.50.

I also think that on a quiet night you can hear the soft "thud thud" of Moyse banging his head on his desk

:D
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Posted 11 Aug 2009 - 12:20

Hang on, wasn't it reported Senderos was going for 3mil???

Either the media is telling porkie pies again or Bill is trying to build a playhouse with club funds :S
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Posted 11 Aug 2009 - 12:25

Hang on, wasn't it reported Senderos was going for 3mil???

Either the media is telling porkie pies again or Bill is trying to build a playhouse with club funds :S


It will be a scale model to the royal opera house :D
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Posted 11 Aug 2009 - 12:31

After two weeks of bargaining with Arsenal, it is ever more apparent Everton have not got a club how to do transfers in a profession manner. Arsenal want six for him, Everton offer 3 million. Arsenal say ok give us 4 million plus add-ons, Everton rigidly offer 3 million again.

Get my drift?

All this takes me back to Naughton, I can't help but feel Everton were partly to blame for that due to their slowness with positive action. Amazing, because when Everton need to sell they do it at record speed.
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Posted 11 Aug 2009 - 21:25

Surely Arse could have a gentlemens agreement with Moyes that means we wont play Senderos against them if that was the case? i just think we are hangling over the fee as always
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Posted 11 Aug 2009 - 21:50

Surely Arse could have a gentlemens agreement with Moyes that means we wont play Senderos against them if that was the case? i just think we are hangling over the fee as always


that would then be a 3rd party having an effect on a team, not allowed. but delaying the transfer is fair game.
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Posted 12 Aug 2009 - 19:30

Should sign soon, Arsenal look set to sign Hangeland this weekend for £15m according to all the press in Norway whcih should allow big Phil to go.

Edited by Thierry Henry, 12 Aug 2009 - 19:31.

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Posted 12 Aug 2009 - 20:03

Should sign soon, Arsenal look set to sign Hangeland this weekend for £15m according to all the press in Norway whcih should allow big Phil to go.


hopefully, you dont fancy signing for us do u :-)
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Posted 12 Aug 2009 - 23:24

Should sign soon, Arsenal look set to sign Hangeland this weekend for £15m according to all the press in Norway whcih should allow big Phil to go.


If anything we should be signing Hangerland, not another underwhelming player like Senderos. Reminds me when we signed Gary Ablett, wasn't impressed then either. But unfortunately beggers can't be picky.
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Posted 13 Aug 2009 - 22:14

http://www.dailymail...s.html?ITO=1490

wht a fkn suprise
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Posted 14 Aug 2009 - 01:15

I thought we'd at least sign Senderos. Apparently every bit of brilliance DM possesses is left on the pitch, with none left over for the summers. I hate summer.
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Posted 14 Aug 2009 - 08:39

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1206423/Sunderland-pip-Everton-race-Gunners-defender-Philippe-Senderos.html?ITO=1490

wht a fkn suprise


Taking everything as written...... If we have pulled out of the deal... well im sure it will be over Arsenals Valuation....... If Sunderland want to cough up more silly money let them.......
I dont mind seeing Moyes/Everton sticking to their guns over Transfer fees..... These players are just squad players anyway...Id have a different view on it if they were "1st Team" buys.
I think we will/should be willing to move on fees if the player is a genuine 1st team buy that will improve the team....
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Posted 14 Aug 2009 - 08:44

I remember reading a quote from Martin O'Neill recently saying he wouldn't bankrupt Villa for the sake of paying over inflated prices. Moyes is sticking to his guns too, which is good to see.
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Posted 14 Aug 2009 - 11:05

I remember reading a quote from Martin O'Neill recently saying he wouldn't bankrupt Villa for the sake of paying over inflated prices. Moyes is sticking to his guns too, which is good to see.


How naive! Moyes gets too much praise for this one, he can't pay because he hasn't the money to get close to a valuation. As usual names are discussed and thrown at the media to suppress anger and annoyance amongst the fans, the reality is unless Kenwright can convince Moyes to sell Lescott and stay in his job, we have NO cash to sign anybody.
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Posted 14 Aug 2009 - 11:16

How naive! Moyes gets too much praise for this one, he can't pay because he hasn't the money to get close to a valuation. As usual names are discussed and thrown at the media to suppress anger and annoyance amongst the fans, the reality is unless Kenwright can convince Moyes to sell Lescott and stay in his job, we have NO cash to sign anybody.


How do you know...... You keep telling us we have no money but your basing this on what fact.......

As I see it we were willing to spend.... 4-6m on a rightback that was going to sit on the bench........ I can think of other things to spend my money on....

Tha Facts ARE.... HE HAS A BUDGET.... WHATEVER IT MAY BE.......

You carnt just start paying over the odds....do you not get it.....

ie if you have 2 players lined up...... both valued at 5m and we have 10m budet........you carnt go and offer 6 just because someone else comes along offering silly money........

we fail because other teams have BIGGER budgets... v simple...... Sunderland Villa City Portsmouth all have new mega rich owners

Stop saying we have "NO MONEY" we do..... we just carnt compete with the mega rich out there
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Posted 14 Aug 2009 - 11:25

How do you know...... You keep telling us we have no money but your basing this on what fact.......

As I see it we were willing to spend.... 4-6m on a rightback that was going to sit on the bench........ I can think of other things to spend my money on....

Tha Facts ARE.... HE HAS A BUDGET.... WHATEVER IT MAY BE.......

You carnt just start paying over the odds....do you not get it.....

ie if you have 2 players lined up...... both valued at 5m and we have 10m budet........you carnt go and offer 6 just because someone else comes along offering silly money........

we fail because other teams have BIGGER budgets... v simple...... Sunderland Villa City Portsmouth all have new mega rich owners

Stop saying we have "NO MONEY" we do..... we just carnt compete with the mega rich out there


I agree DM.... people keep saying we have no budget, but I have not heard or seen anything to say that. We put in a bid for Naughton which was very good for a young, untried championship full back. Spurs came along and offered another Mill and better personal terms, cos they seem to have a bottomless pit and don't mind giving silly wages.

I think DM is right to stick to his valuation, whether that is buying or selling. Senderos will be cover for Jags, and will be benchbound for large parts of the season when Jags and Yobo are fit... do you want to spend £6m on him? I don't... would rather do the £8m on Taylor who could push both of the others regularly....

The lack of "ins" is very frustrating and I want to see some quality added... but if the quality doesn't come cos we have bought average players at overrated prices... that would piss me off more!
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Posted 14 Aug 2009 - 11:32

How do you know...... You keep telling us we have no money but your basing this on what fact.......

As I see it we were willing to spend.... 4-6m on a rightback that was going to sit on the bench........ I can think of other things to spend my money on....

Tha Facts ARE.... HE HAS A BUDGET.... WHATEVER IT MAY BE.......

You carnt just start paying over the odds....do you not get it.....

ie if you have 2 players lined up...... both valued at 5m and we have 10m budet........you carnt go and offer 6 just because someone else comes along offering silly money........

we fail because other teams have BIGGER budgets... v simple...... Sunderland Villa City Portsmouth all have new mega rich owners

Stop saying we have "NO MONEY" we do..... we just carnt compete with the mega rich out there


It's OK DM...you get used to just ignoring people like him.
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Posted 14 Aug 2009 - 11:48

It's OK DM...you get used to just ignoring people like him.



Im just pissed off with hearing the same old stories based on complete bulshit....... and unless the fella next to me has moved his season ticket im gonna have to listen to it all fucking season......So im anticipatimg a full blown argument tomorrow....Im ina bad mood already..... I can imaginge the fella booing non stop at Lescott... hes one of them Big Baldy meat head types that argues with EVERYONE near him......

ANYWAY......
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Posted 14 Aug 2009 - 14:42

First DM, calm down ffs! Second can you provide me evidence there IS money to spend, because Kenwright himself said many times he has no more cash to plough in. Everton like most teams either rely on loans or sky money to finance deals, and because on/off the pitch there isn't much money coming into the club like a United or Arsenal then most extra cash gets sucked into the debts.

Whether you like it or not (I know how you feel as I'm equally pissed about it) the club hasn't buttons to spend. You talked about finding the right player, even when we did like for Naughton part of the delay was us actually getting a loan together. It isn't easy when there isn't much to loan against except the sky money, that's the reality. We currently are still paying off part of the Felliani deal this year, so it isn't as easy as people DM or the village idiot thinks.

Anyway if you don't believe a word I said, please read:

http://www.sport.co...._fortunes_.aspx

Edited by CaptainFerguson10, 15 Aug 2009 - 01:18.

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Posted 15 Aug 2009 - 01:22

senderos has probably signed for spurs by now. moyes, quite your flucking dithering and sign him...a few extra pennies don't need to be saved.


Ha, so I said the wrong club...shoulda seen Sunderland coming. I'd still like to see this one come off our way.
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Posted 15 Aug 2009 - 03:50

Ha, so I said the wrong club...shoulda seen Sunderland coming. I'd still like to see this one come off our way.


There remains hope, DM has states on the OS that he hopes there will be additions in the next 48hrs.. though he did emphasise the youth squad...

Anyway, 12hrs 40mins to go :)
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Posted 15 Aug 2009 - 07:08

There remains hope, DM has states on the OS that he hopes there will be additions in the next 48hrs.. though he did emphasise the youth squad...

Anyway, 12hrs 40mins to go :)



He didnt even mention the youth squad!

"I hope maybe within the next 48 hours or so we will have a couple of new players added to the squad. If we do that then we will start to rebuild from the players we lost last season."
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Posted 15 Aug 2009 - 10:31

coinsidentally hours after the Arsenal game...would be suprised to see Senderos in the squad for the Arse today!
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Posted 15 Aug 2009 - 10:33

I was thinking the same thing when ready that players were hoping to sign within 48 hours it would be just after the arse game but then it could also be shown before the game as cant play as not signed in time.
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Posted 15 Aug 2009 - 11:05

I'll be very surprised if Senderos signs now, seems we are after other cheaper and better targets.
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Posted 15 Aug 2009 - 15:55

He not in the Arse squad today
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Posted 15 Aug 2009 - 16:00

I'll be very surprised if Senderos signs now, seems we are after other cheaper and better targets.


Doubt if we'll get anything cheaper and better
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Posted 15 Aug 2009 - 16:19

Apparently your lot have only bid £2m for him and Sunderland big £6m. However, after watching Senderos play in the week Bruce withdrew his intrest.

As an Arsenal fan, I think he'd do well. He's got an issue with confidence but I think he'd suit your defensive style more than ours because you play deep and we don't. Senderos in one game can look world class and then a week later look average. He struggles against players with pace i.e Torres and he also troubles with Drogba but I do believe that's because of how high our defence play.

He'd be a good signing for your lot and I hope he does well if he signs.
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Posted 15 Aug 2009 - 18:53

After todays shit he'd probably prefer it in the Arsenal reserves
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