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#201 blink

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Posted 16 Aug 2009 - 04:19

Hey Fellas hope ur not too dispondent, Arsenal fan here & i wont gloat about the result, I just thought id through my two penneth into your Senderos debate.
I truly think he could prove to be a really good signing for you & really cant believe some of the opinion/criticism towards the player on here.
Firstly because of the system wenger plays believe me most centre backs are gonna be exposed from time to time at arsenal. A combination of a high back line ( so if you aint got great pace your gonna struggle), marauding attack minded full backs & often little protection from midfield means its a far from easy task playing that position for us! This along with greater media attention on top 4 champs league teams means mistakes are gonna be highlighted far more often than with a lot of sides .
Ive always had a bit of a soft spot for Sendy who in my eyes is a bit of an old school defender, he isnt blessed with electric pace & unfortunately has a rather ungainly style that can often make him look rather clumsy & in my opinion attract more attention to an error than maybe a more stylish player would. But i defo think under the right system he could flourish & is a good no nonsense backs against the wall style defender.
He may be short on confidence at the moment but hey hes only 24 & i think he still has great potential. I also seem to remember a similar style of player, a certain Tony Adams getting donkey chants at the same age & he turned out ok! (please note im am not suggesting he will become an absolute legend like TA!)
Now If you are talking about valuations, i have seen 2 mill mentioned on here & thats a joke ( at those levels have a sniff round division 1). I think we sold Pascal Cygan who was a total joke for more than that! Actually he went on to do quite well in spain as it happens. Anyway If you value lescott at 30 mill :D then on those terms i would want 12 mill+ for sendy! But being serious, i think lescotts worth no more than 15mill unless city are bidding! Senderos was offered to Milan for 6m but he was unlucky with injuries there & perhaps wasnt the type of cultured stylish CB the Italians were after? Im sure Wenger who is very fair to players when it comes to letting them go would now release him for 5m, maybe 4millish + add ons or a percentage of a sell on fee at a push? Any less & it would be stupid. If you sign him God even if he totally bombed (which i dont think he would) say you wanted shut after a couple of years? Im sure a mid twentys player with top European experience & a proven international with over 30 caps for his country could still be offloaded onto the continent for 3-4 mill easy! Its a no brainer & if he did really well your looking at potentially 10 mill+ player with sell on value!
Get your money for Joleon 20 mill :) & snap up sendy & make a couple of smart additions with the remaining funds, that would be my advice.
Good luck for the rest of the season.
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Posted 16 Aug 2009 - 09:54

Get your money for Joleon 20 mill :) & snap up sendy & make a couple of smart additions with the remaining funds, that would be my advice.

That's looking to be a no-brainer to most now, we just have to hope DM agrees :) . If not Senderos then Taylor maybe....or both would be better.

Thanks for the contribution blink.
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Posted 24 Aug 2009 - 20:36

With the lack of cash and time, I would sign Senderos now for around 4-5 million as a squad player. Him and Taylor would fit the bill, Taylor is a must now with the Lescott dosh.
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Posted 24 Aug 2009 - 20:44

If Arsenal wanted 6mil before, I think they'll want 8 or 9 now.
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Posted 24 Aug 2009 - 21:50

If Arsenal wanted 6mil before, I think they'll want 8 or 9 now.


If that was remotely true, their board must be smoking some high grade crack!
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Posted 24 Aug 2009 - 22:21

If that was remotely true, their board must be smoking some high grade crack!

OMG for the first time ever i attually agree with you
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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 23:16

http://www.dailymail...e-Senderos.html
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Posted 20 Dec 2009 - 05:48

http://www.dailymail...e-Senderos.html

He would be good on loan but hopefully Moyes doesn't spend money on him.
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Posted 20 Dec 2009 - 07:10

He would be good on loan but hopefully Moyes doesn't spend money on him.

he would be a good loan deal who knows he may play well for us...im sure yobo is on his way next season so it would be a big opertunity for senderos.
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Posted 20 Dec 2009 - 09:26

Heitinga and Jags should be our CB pairing so unless he wants to sit his arse on the bench he won't be coming here.

Plus, he makes even more mistakes than Yobo and then doesn't have the pace that Yobo has to try and make up for them. It was a no from me when this move first looked on and it's still a no from me.
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Posted 20 Dec 2009 - 10:48

Heitinga and Jags should be our CB pairing so unless he wants to sit his arse on the bench he won't be coming here.

Plus, he makes even more mistakes than Yobo and then doesn't have the pace that Yobo has to try and make up for them. It was a no from me when this move first looked on and it's still a no from me.


That for me would be our best pairing by far when we have a fit squad, I don't mind Senderos i think he's an ok player but he is prone to the odd clanger no worse then Yobo in my book.
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Posted 20 Dec 2009 - 11:00

cant really see heitinga as a centre back in fact i dont know what position is going to be his best...im still not sure about him hes hard i will give him that and hes got a following on the st end but i want to see him in a settled position.
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Posted 20 Dec 2009 - 11:13

cant really see heitinga as a centre back in fact i dont know what position is going to be his best...im still not sure about him hes hard i will give him that and hes got a following on the st end but i want to see him in a settled position.


Full name John Gijsbert Alan Heitinga
Date of birth 15 November 1983 (1983-11-15) (age 26)
Place of birth Alphen aan den Rijn, Netherlands
Height 1.80 m (5 ft 11 in)[1]
Playing position Defender

From what i have read about him previous to playing here most think that is his best position? I think both have qualities that could make a partnership if paired up a sort of Ferdinand Vidic set up, We have Fellaini Cahill Neville Heitinga Osman Pienaar Bily Arteta Rodwell who will all be fighting for a place across the middle of the park so something has to give and considering he is a defender by trade it seems it should be a likely outcome?

Edited by EFC-Paul, 16 Jan 2010 - 10:36.

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Posted 20 Dec 2009 - 12:41

cant really see heitinga as a centre back in fact i dont know what position is going to be his best...im still not sure about him hes hard i will give him that and hes got a following on the st end but i want to see him in a settled position.




:blink: :blink: That is his peferred position and I think his best performances for us so far have come when he has played at CB
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Posted 21 Dec 2009 - 06:47

ive heard senderos is deffo coming and its for a fee of 1.5 million also heard were getting a new board member who has plenty of money....but will he spend it....all gossip but lets just see what happens.
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Posted 21 Dec 2009 - 10:17

cant really see heitinga as a centre back in fact i dont know what position is going to be his best...im still not sure about him hes hard i will give him that and hes got a following on the st end but i want to see him in a settled position.



After watching him against Brum yesterday I don't know how anyone CAN'T see CB as his position, he was immense back there.
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Posted 21 Dec 2009 - 11:55

think senderos will be a decent buy but only on loan til end of season just to prove he's still got it
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Posted 21 Dec 2009 - 14:48

After watching him against Brum yesterday I don't know how anyone CAN'T see CB as his position, he was immense back there.

His profile on the OS...

"He's...one of Hollands's most experienced defenders, racking up nearly 50 caps and occasionally captaining his country before switching to the Toffees.

Heitinga can play at both his preferred central defensive role and at right-back, having fulfilled both positions successfully for his country."

That's good enough for me.

And we gave him the number five :) . If he's not a center back he shouldn't have got it.
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Posted 21 Dec 2009 - 14:54

Heitinga is a natural CB, very similar in style to jags. (see the Heitinga thread for what comparisons i made), and i think with Heitingas obvious ability to pass and Jags leadership and game reading they may make a corker of a pairing when he's back, im excited. Granted it maybe too late by then, but lets hope they work well and look forward to next year eh ;)
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Posted 14 Jan 2010 - 11:24

From sky sports...

Senderos' contract expires in the summer and may be allowed to leave on a free this January with Atletico Madrid thought to be keen.


Surely this would be perfect for us.
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Posted 14 Jan 2010 - 13:40

would be but he is shite.
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Posted 16 Jan 2010 - 07:57

According to EPL It is reported that Wenger is looking for around 1million for Senderos, after the sale of Lucas not bad 250.000, id have him, if he improves under Moyesy (which he should) him n Jags , move Johnny to RB????
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Posted 16 Jan 2010 - 09:42

According to EPL It is reported that Wenger is looking for around 1million for Senderos, after the sale of Lucas not bad 250.000, id have him, if he improves under Moyesy (which he should) him n Jags , move Johnny to RB????



No. It's that simple.
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Posted 16 Jan 2010 - 10:34

According to EPL It is reported that Wenger is looking for around 1million for Senderos, after the sale of Lucas not bad 250.000, id have him, if he improves under Moyesy (which he should) him n Jags , move Johnny to RB????


Why on earth move him to RB Heitinga is a centre back it is his preferred position which he seems damn good at, If Coleman gets given the chance and continue's to be as good as he has looked in the little he's played and Jags gets back to his old self we will without doubt have one of the best back four's in the league, Senderos will make a decent stop gap or squad player.
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Posted 16 Jan 2010 - 11:08

True....back to Fanni at RB then,i like Coleman but u know what DM can be like with youngsters,soft spot for Hibbo coz hes longest serving current player at the mo but... not good enough, Neville! not good enough but DM likes him so...good RB and a goalscorer for me
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Posted 16 Jan 2010 - 12:31

I dont rate him at all I would sooner we put the money towards a decent signing and see Duffy given a go
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Posted 16 Jan 2010 - 13:33

Im half and half with Senderos. Iv seen him play brilliantly and Iv also seen him play shockingly! To me he is a Swiss Yobo and we already have one so Im not sure we need another, especially if they go out of the ANC early!
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Posted 16 Jan 2010 - 15:29

According to EPL It is reported that Wenger is looking for around 1million for Senderos, after the sale of Lucas not bad 250.000, id have him, if he improves under Moyesy (which he should) him n Jags , move Johnny to RB????


Think im with everyone else on this. Johnny since he's been played in his favoured position at cb has been immense and i cant see any reason to move him from there. On Senderos i don't really rate him not a patch on Johnny or Jags but probably as good or the same as Yobo an Distan.
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Posted 22 Jan 2010 - 22:53

According to this website he has signed on loan...

http://www.evertonba...Everton Banter)

I dont know how reliable it is but the author seems pretty confident its gone through. I wouldnt mind him on loan as cover, a bit like Gardner was last year. With Heitinga not able to play in the EL and Disitn/Jags not properly fit it makes sense to me.

You never know he might surprise us and end up being at the heart of our defence for years to come!
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Posted 22 Jan 2010 - 22:53

http://www.evertonba..._medium=twitter

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Confirmed by @everton_tony, chairman of stadium experience at Goodison. So I suppose that's some sort of pseudo-confirmation :lol:

Edited by Grarghsies, 22 Jan 2010 - 23:04.

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Posted 22 Jan 2010 - 23:37

http://www.liverpool...00252-25665649/

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Posted 23 Jan 2010 - 07:33

Now we need cover for a left back, plus a decent striker. ;)
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 - 08:38

I just don't see the logic behind this move, more on Senderos' part than ours. He wants regular first-team football to boost his World Cup chances but he's just not going to get that here.
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 - 09:08

I just don't see the logic behind this move, more on Senderos' part than ours. He wants regular first-team football to boost his World Cup chances but he's just not going to get that here.



To be fair Jags is still out and has been out for such a long period it may take him a bit of time to get back to his beat, Johhny H cant play in Europe, Yobo is injured which only leaves Distin and Duffy

Im not a fan of Senderos but I can see why he has brought him in and I think he will get games for us especially in Europe
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 - 09:59

I'm not too sure about Senderos's ability, but I think he'll turn out to be a better signing than Jo, at any rate, whether he'll do better then Niell did in his short time here, is open to question. However, we need numbers at the back and looking at the transfer market at the moment there are not that many decent defenders out there with Prem experience. He may not be the best player for us, but I think at the moment, firstly, he could do a job (ie. fill in and backup), and secondly, he may be the better of all evils, considering the players that are available to us in the transfer market.
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 - 12:12

Confirmed.. on the OS

http://www.evertonfc...ns-on-loan.html
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 - 12:24

Well I'm glad we've at least got someone in. Let's just hope he does well. If he's out of contract at the end of the season, I presume we could then get him permanently on a free?
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 - 13:09

I would assume that if he does well enough then that will be the case.
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 - 13:15

Confirmed.. on the OS

http://www.evertonfc...ns-on-loan.html


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Posted 23 Jan 2010 - 13:26

^ Give the bloke a chance!
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