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#1 Bill

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Posted 09 Aug 2009 - 07:04

http://www.newsofthe...kes-a-blow.html

What do yo think of the whole situation, ignoring the fact that City are a bit arrogant about it, should we go ahead with a sale, ? is the fee too much or not enough, have Moyes and Kenwright dug a hole for themselves so they dont dare sell now, even if they wanted to. ???
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Posted 09 Aug 2009 - 10:27

This description of J.Lo is perfect in my books, I don't usually like Dunn as a writer but he hits the spot with this:-

"For a centre-half, a decent eye for goal. Premier League class, not world class. A stand-in for England, not a shoo-in. "
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Posted 09 Aug 2009 - 12:07

I thought the article was ridiculously unfair on Lescott. If Johnson is valued at 18m and Terry at 40m then Lescott is worth more than 20m, not 8m as the writer puts it. Lescott is a very, very good player, not just 'competent.'
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Posted 09 Aug 2009 - 12:34

brilliant article. good read, at least others can now see, how we feel!
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Posted 09 Aug 2009 - 12:57

It's kind of a nice read to an extent if you're an Evertonian, but from any rational viewpoint it's one-eyed and simplistic (exactly as you'd expect in the NOTW).
And of course he's worth more than 8m....he's worth what anyone is willing to pay which at the last count was 18m (Hull want 12m for Turner ffs!).

I don't think DM and BK are in a corner, they're being more hard-line than most fans and more hard-line than many of us expected, but I don't think they'll be too hard-line for their own good, they're not stupid.

They've made their point and their stand and if City keep going up and they sell for 22/25m (virtually) everyone will say it's a good bit of business (as long as Davey gets the thick end of it to buy).
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Posted 09 Aug 2009 - 18:46

More interestingly the same writer is summarising the forthcoming season and predicts that if we can stay in touch with the top four come january that he suspects new money will be at Goodison by then to challenge.....................
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Posted 09 Aug 2009 - 21:20

i didnt like the article its put moyes in a position where he might think that he shouldnt sell regardless of price...the money thats been offered was enough to buy us three maybe four good young players...delph..naughton..walker..senderos..im sure this would have made us much stronger team wise..i think for the cash offered we should sell.
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Posted 09 Aug 2009 - 22:23

Lord Moyes of Goodison dons his tin helmet and fights the Evil Barron Von Hughes and his wicked Eastlands Empire. Aparantly the Bold, Honourable way Moyes fends off Hughes from his advances for a mid level squad player (Lescott) Is nothing short of heroic. Even though he is being offered twice as much as the player is worth. Because Moyes knows he will look damn stupid if he was to do a u-turn and sell the player now. Andy Dunn is a wank splash and his fellow Journo's are just as bad. They paint a picture of City being the bad guy. Don't be fooled, We have done nothing wrong. We are simply doing what every club in our position would do. And a lot more respectfully than most.

Of course Rival fans hate city right now and will side with the Journo's. Because your clubs are not in the position we are right now. But ask yourself have we actually done anything wrong??? Have we really inflated the market for everyone else? No ofcourse not. We're not the ones selling players for 80mil. Every player we have bought have been pretty much good value. Adebayour may have been around 5mil or so more than he should be. But it certainly hasn't "ruined" football. It just means clubs will try to do City for a bit more cash. They won't try it on other clubs coz they know they havent got the same funds.
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Posted 09 Aug 2009 - 22:27

I despise the way City are conducting deals through the media. Hughes should learn to say no comment to the journos.

EDIT: Hit post too early :/


However, although none of us like having money thrown at us or our players we need to accept it and move on.

Edited by Grarghsies, 09 Aug 2009 - 22:30.

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Posted 09 Aug 2009 - 22:28

good read for notw
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 05:05

8 million pound asset?? This journos a donkey.

The very essence of market value in any industry, is the price people are willingly to pay for a product.. which in Lescott's case is quite clearly more than 8 mill. In a football world where glen johnsons are going for 18 and john terrys for 40, there is no way J-Lo is worth 8!
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 09:27

Lord Moyes of Goodison dons his tin helmet and fights the Evil Barron Von Hughes and his wicked Eastlands Empire. Aparantly the Bold, Honourable way Moyes fends off Hughes from his advances for a mid level squad player (Lescott) Is nothing short of heroic. Even though he is being offered twice as much as the player is worth. Because Moyes knows he will look damn stupid if he was to do a u-turn and sell the player now. Andy Dunn is a wank splash and his fellow Journo's are just as bad. They paint a picture of City being the bad guy. Don't be fooled, We have done nothing wrong. We are simply doing what every club in our position would do. And a lot more respectfully than most.

Of course Rival fans hate city right now and will side with the Journo's. Because your clubs are not in the position we are right now. But ask yourself have we actually done anything wrong??? Have we really inflated the market for everyone else? No ofcourse not. We're not the ones selling players for 80mil. Every player we have bought have been pretty much good value. Adebayour may have been around 5mil or so more than he should be. But it certainly hasn't "ruined" football. It just means clubs will try to do City for a bit more cash. They won't try it on other clubs coz they know they havent got the same funds.


Where were you when you were shit...... yes you have inflated the market for everyone else, 'We're not the ones selling players for 80mil' you're fookin offering it though..... good valued players my arse....

Anyway good luck fpr the following season.... top ten finish for you ..... oh and by the way your manager needs a lesson in grattitude, horrible welsh bastard... upside his career will be over this time next year..... whos fault will that be that? Shiity Fans
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 10:17

Where were you when you were shit...... yes you have inflated the market for everyone else, 'We're not the ones selling players for 80mil' you're fookin offering it though..... good valued players my arse....

Anyway good luck fpr the following season.... top ten finish for you ..... oh and by the way your manager needs a lesson in grattitude, horrible welsh bastard... upside his career will be over this time next year..... whos fault will that be that? Shiity Fans


For your info lad. I was stood in the Kippax when City were in the third tier of English football. And we were still getting 35,000 fans every game. I've been a true blue for 25 years. I was even born and raised on the very Lane that the COMS is now on (Hulme Hall Lane)

Moyes (who i rate very highly) talks about loyalty and principles. He won't allow Lescott further his career mainly for those reasons. Yet we shall see just how loyal he is when United offer him old Bacon faces job when he retires. He'll have no such issues or hang ups then. You won't see his arse for dust.

You say We are Inflating the market for other teams? Nonsense. If that was the case then Senderos (who you will get for 3 to 5 Million) would end up costing 10 to 12 Million. A lot of managers complain City are "blowing clubs out of the water" when it comes to transfers. Of course they don't like this. But apparently Moyes wants city to "Blow them out of the Water" to get Lescott!!! Hypocrites. 30 million for an average CB, Keep dreaming. Tell me one thing that We are doing that your own club (or anyone else's for that matter) wouldn't do in our situation.

We have offered good money for a lad who obviously wants to move on. That money would have gone a long way to improving your own team. Everton will regret Moyse's foolish stubbornness before City will. We will simply move on to Upson (who is better defensively anyway) Personally now i would rather burn the Money that let that greedy Scotch freak of Nature profit from it.

P.S. If you think City will only manage a top 10 finish this season you're nuts. Pretty much every one has us penned for 5th place. And to be honest. i think we can probably do even better. Everton Are Widely tipped to finish 6th to 8th.....Nuff said.
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 10:37

For your info lad. I was stood in the Kippax when City were in the third tier of English football. And we were still getting 35,000 fans every game. I've been a true blue for 25 years. I was even born and raised on the very Lane that the COMS is now on (Hulme Hall Lane)

Moyes (who i rate very highly) talks about loyalty and principles. He won't allow Lescott further his career mainly for those reasons. Yet we shall see just how loyal he is when United offer him old Bacon faces job when he retires. He'll have no such issues or hang ups then. You won't see his arse for dust.

You say We are Inflating the market for other teams? Nonsense. If that was the case then Senderos (who you will get for 3 to 5 Million) would end up costing 10 to 12 Million. A lot of managers complain City are "blowing clubs out of the water" when it comes to transfers. Of course they don't like this. But apparently Moyes wants city to "Blow them out of the Water" to get Lescott!!! Hypocrites. 30 million for an average CB, Keep dreaming. Tell me one thing that We are doing that your own club (or anyone else's for that matter) wouldn't do in our situation.

We have offered good money for a lad who obviously wants to move on. That money would have gone a long way to improving your own team. Everton will regret Moyse's foolish stubbornness before City will. We will simply move on to Upson (who is better defensively anyway) Personally now i would rather burn the Money that let that greedy Scotch freak of Nature profit from it.

P.S. If you think City will only manage a top 10 finish this season you're nuts. Pretty much every one has us penned for 5th place. And to be honest. i think we can probably do even better. Everton Are Widely tipped to finish 6th to 8th.....Nuff said.


If Lescott really wanted to move on all he would have to do was turn in a transfer request. Since he hasn't done that all we have is media speculation about whether or not he wants to go, whether or not he even had a word with Moyes about wanting to go.

People's problems with City handing out insane amounts of money have less to do with causing inflation on the market and over-priced players and more to do with the way this affair has been handled. Hughes have had two bids turned down for Lescott, both without any negotiation or follow-up other than being told that the player is not for sale. Add to that that Moyes have set a price of more than 30 mil for Lescott. He won't be sold for less than 30 mil according to paper reports, Moyes has repeatedly said Lescott is not for sale. The respectful thing to do would be to put the money on the table to get a discussion or simply move on.

It's not about letting you shower us with money over Lescott, it's about the fact that without him we have one fit CB and less than a week until the league starts. And it's the manager's going price, we all live with it.
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 10:44

For your info lad. I was stood in the Kippax when City were in the third tier of English football. And we were still getting 35,000 fans every game. I've been a true blue for 25 years. I was even born and raised on the very Lane that the COMS is now on (Hulme Hall Lane)

Moyes (who i rate very highly) talks about loyalty and principles. He won't allow Lescott further his career mainly for those reasons. Yet we shall see just how loyal he is when United offer him old Bacon faces job when he retires. He'll have no such issues or hang ups then. You won't see his arse for dust.

You say We are Inflating the market for other teams? Nonsense. If that was the case then Senderos (who you will get for 3 to 5 Million) would end up costing 10 to 12 Million. A lot of managers complain City are "blowing clubs out of the water" when it comes to transfers. Of course they don't like this. But apparently Moyes wants city to "Blow them out of the Water" to get Lescott!!! Hypocrites. 30 million for an average CB, Keep dreaming. Tell me one thing that We are doing that your own club (or anyone else's for that matter) wouldn't do in our situation.

We have offered good money for a lad who obviously wants to move on. That money would have gone a long way to improving your own team. Everton will regret Moyse's foolish stubbornness before City will. We will simply move on to Upson (who is better defensively anyway) Personally now i would rather burn the Money that let that greedy Scotch freak of Nature profit from it.

P.S. If you think City will only manage a top 10 finish this season you're nuts. Pretty much every one has us penned for 5th place. And to be honest. i think we can probably do even better. Everton Are Widely tipped to finish 6th to 8th.....Nuff said.

jus like the media did with villa las year and spurs the year before, but who finish 5th in the end?
i dont tend to be abusive but i go to uni in manchester and my opinion of city fans is that the majority are oasis worshiping cocks, with chips on there shoulders who know nothink about football.
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 11:05

jus like the media did with villa las year and spurs the year before, but who finish 5th in the end?
i dont tend to be abusive but i go to uni in manchester and my opinion of city fans is that the majority are oasis worshiping cocks, with chips on there shoulders who know nothink about football.


Sounds like me that pal. Apart from the Oasis bit. they're fucking dog shit.
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 11:18

Pretty much every one has us penned for 5th place. And to be honest. i think we can probably do even better. Everton Are Widely tipped to finish 6th to 8th.....Nuff said.

Pretty much everyone had us penned for relegation five years ago and we finished 4th. Villa were huge odds-on to finish 5th (or better) pretty much all last season. Spurs are always "penned in" to finish above us. Getting 5th is easy for you on paper, but unfortunately you have to do it on the pitch which is a little bit more tricky :) .
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 11:18

CITD ... He won't allow Lescott to further his career mainly for those reasons.
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I dont know how you can make statements like that.
At this moment in time none of the "TOP 4" have indicated that they want him, and to my knowledge havent bid for him. He is playing for the 5th best team in the Premiership, and he has alredy furthered his career, coming from a championship player to a solid Premiership centre Half/fullback with several International appearances and i have no doubt he will get more.
As of today City have done nothing to suggest it would be a better career move, it may well be a different story next year but that remains to be seen. And do i also detect a bit of arrogance with you thinking that the (top 5) is a foregone conlusion.

Admiration goes to Moyes for not folding under pressure, £18 - £20 million pounds is a large amount for most clubs,
its a Massive amount for our club, a written transfer request would have settled this weeks ago, and if it comes to that and joleon goes, the club will still go on, no problem
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 11:22

Notts County have got money and new Arab owners haven't they? Great potential (same as City), we'll soon have their fans on here saying we should let Joleon move to them to further his career :lol: .
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 11:33

For your info lad. I was stood in the Kippax when City were in the third tier of English football. And we were still getting 35,000 fans every game. I've been a true blue for 25 years. I was even born and raised on the very Lane that the COMS is now on (Hulme Hall Lane)

Moyes (who i rate very highly) talks about loyalty and principles. He won't allow Lescott further his career mainly for those reasons. Yet we shall see just how loyal he is when United offer him old Bacon faces job when he retires. He'll have no such issues or hang ups then. You won't see his arse for dust.

You say We are Inflating the market for other teams? Nonsense. If that was the case then Senderos (who you will get for 3 to 5 Million) would end up costing 10 to 12 Million. A lot of managers complain City are "blowing clubs out of the water" when it comes to transfers. Of course they don't like this. But apparently Moyes wants city to "Blow them out of the Water" to get Lescott!!! Hypocrites. 30 million for an average CB, Keep dreaming. Tell me one thing that We are doing that your own club (or anyone else's for that matter) wouldn't do in our situation.

We have offered good money for a lad who obviously wants to move on. That money would have gone a long way to improving your own team. Everton will regret Moyse's foolish stubbornness before City will. We will simply move on to Upson (who is better defensively anyway) Personally now i would rather burn the Money that let that greedy Scotch freak of Nature profit from it.

P.S. If you think City will only manage a top 10 finish this season you're nuts. Pretty much every one has us penned for 5th place. And to be honest. i think we can probably do even better. Everton Are Widely tipped to finish 6th to 8th.....Nuff said.


Indeed Moyes will more than likely end up at Old Trafford, particularly if we are still banging our heads against the 'sky4' ceiling, but his motivation for leaving would be more justified than lescotts given that City are not in europe and there is no guarantee they will be successful - they might, but its all perceived success whereas it's proven success at utd.

The market is inflated when a club bids 100M (kaka), 80M (Ronaldo) 56M (kaka) etc...other clubs then say 'my player is better than him (as we did with Lescott vs Johnson) so you must pax X million'.....8 million for Delph??, likewise Naughton?? are prime examples of an over-inflated market. With the lescott situation, it is smply EFC trying to out-price any potential buyers because we simply do not want to sell him. I dont think the club truly think he is worth more than what Rooney was.

Finally, i've no idea where teams are gonna end up this year - too many ifs and buts...I think we will be 6th with a good run in europe and one of the cups...city will replace fulham in the european race which will also involve villa and spurs. The papers are just mssing the fact that city are still missing a defence which i feel will ultimately cost them this season....but good luck to everyone.

On a final more quirky note, at least you know city will be on first on MOTD every week.....
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 11:36

Notts County have got money and new Arab owners haven't they? Great potential (same as City), we'll soon have their fans on here saying we should let Joleon move to them to further his career :lol: .


But the difference Between CITY and COUNTY is that Notts County win 5-0. They also have Sven, who should be at City. [i'mabitconfused.com] :lol: :lol:
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 12:57

But the difference Between CITY and COUNTY is that Notts County win 5-0. They also have Sven, who should be at City. [i'mabitconfused.com] :lol: :lol:



Ok. Look fellas your a decent bunch of fans but i'm getting a bit tired of writing something, Being complemented or just getting into a decent debate, just for some silly twat to then write some utter bollocks about City still being shit, or how Our success isn't guaranteed. Because i genuinely believe it is. if you look at our squad now just compared to a season ago. And then last seasons to the season before. Nobody can deny what is happening at City is remarkable!!! Our current first team reads....Given...Richards, Toure, (A.N. Other class CB, not bought yet but will be), Bridge.......Robinho, Barry, Ireland, SWP.....Adebayour, Tevez. plus another load of top class squad players (Onouha, Kompany, Zabaleta, Dunne, Garrido, Petrov, De Jong, Johnson, Santa Cruz, Bellamy). If you genuinely don't believe city are gunna be awsome then you have real problems. People may talk about Gelling, But be honest. Do any of you REALLY think that team won't Gell??? City are the future. Everybody knows it. But nobody will dare admit it. Is that the City fan Arrogance/Ego you all rant about???

One other point. Will for it as much as you want. Even yearn for it. But when you look at United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and now City. Do You Evertonians REALLY Genuinley believe you can break the Top4 and stay there. Competing for the Top prizes in England and Europe year in, year out. Well actually yes. You probably do. Because you have to. But in the Really Real world.....No! without a massive Investor Pumping Silly money into your club.

And therein lies the root of why me and mine keep taking so much shit from All and Sundry. You can say what you like but we all know 80 - 90% of all abuse directed at City and it's fans is based on Envy and Fear.

So i will leave you to think i am Delusional. And be assured i think your rather delusional yourselves.

Add your Rants below.... :angry:

Edited by C.T.I.D., 10 Aug 2009 - 13:05.

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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 13:14

Given - OK quite a decent keeper but was a shining light in a shite Newcastle team.
Richards - Is he still able to run, thought he weighed around 18 stone now?
Toure - I actually think he is OK.
Bridge - Always, always been overrated.
Robinho - Moments of class, not bad for a player who didn't know who he signed for.
Barry - Can win games but moved for the wrong reasons, can't see him having that big an impact.
Ireland - By far best player at City, one of my fav players. We should have bought him before Thai bride bought city.
SWP - Short ass, only ever shone at city. Let's see how he does 2nd time round.
Adebayour - Never really understood his hype. Goes missing in a lot of games - Arsenal bent you over the table and shafted you with this transfer.
Tevez - OK quite decent, good buy.

Surely you don't rate Santa Cruz as a top quality signing?

TBH if tables were turned, one of us would want a debate on a city forum about how we deserve the influx of cash. On the whole city have bought OK but I wouldn't say they are anywhere near where they want to be....do you think Hughes will still be with City come christmas?
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 13:19

Ok. Look fellas your a decent bunch of fans but i'm getting a bit tired of writing something, Being complemented or just getting into a decent debate, just for some silly twat to then write some utter bollocks about City still being shit, or how Our success isn't guaranteed. Because i genuinely believe it is. if you look at our squad now just compared to a season ago. And then last seasons to the season before. Nobody can deny what is happening at City is remarkable!!! Our current first team reads....Given...Richards, Toure, (A.N. Other class CB, not bought yet but will be), Bridge.......Robinho, Barry, Ireland, SWP.....Adebayour, Tevez. plus another load of top class squad players (Onouha, Kompany, Zabaleta, Dunne, Garrido, Petrov, De Jong, Johnson, Santa Cruz, Bellamy). If you genuinely don't believe city are gunna be awsome then you have real problems. People may talk about Gelling, But be honest. Do any of you REALLY think that team won't Gell??? City are the future. Everybody knows it. But nobody will dare admit it. Is that the City fan Arrogance/Ego you all rant about???

One other point. Will for it as much as you want. Even yearn for it. But when you look at United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and now City. Do You Evertonians REALLY Genuinley believe you can break the Top4 and stay there. Competing for the Top prizes in England and Europe year in, year out. Well actually yes. You probably do. Because you have to. But in the Really Real world.....No! without a massive Investor Pumping Silly money into your club.

And therein lies the root of why me and mine keep taking so much shit from All and Sundry. You can say what you like but we all know 80 - 90% of all abuse directed at City and it's fans is based on Envy and Fear.

So i will leave you to think i am Delusional. And be assured i think your rather delusional yourselves.

Add your Rants below.... :angry:


if you were here a bit longer you'd know that's not true.
And for City getting top4, it's all just speculation, you certainly have a chance but we'll just have to wait and see
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 13:35

Given - OK quite a decent keeper but was a shining light in a shite Newcastle team.
Richards - Is he still able to run, thought he weighed around 18 stone now?
Toure - I actually think he is OK.
Bridge - Always, always been overrated.
Robinho - Moments of class, not bad for a player who didn't know who he signed for.
Barry - Can win games but moved for the wrong reasons, can't see him having that big an impact.
Ireland - By far best player at City, one of my fav players. We should have bought him before Thai bride bought city.
SWP - Short ass, only ever shone at city. Let's see how he does 2nd time round.
Adebayour - Never really understood his hype. Goes missing in a lot of games - Arsenal bent you over the table and shafted you with this transfer.
Tevez - OK quite decent, good buy.

Surely you don't rate Santa Cruz as a top quality signing?

TBH if tables were turned, one of us would want a debate on a city forum about how we deserve the influx of cash. On the whole city have bought OK but I wouldn't say they are anywhere near where they want to be....do you think Hughes will still be with City come christmas?


TBH i think Hughes will get the whole season. No matter where we finish. And will probably keep his job beyond that. Only other teams fans Have a negative opinion of Hughes and believe the new owners are impatiant, or will get bored of City. They said from the very start that it was a 10 year plan. Considering we're only 1 season in, I can't believe how fast things are moving. Shit position last year, agreed. But that was because our away form was dreadfull. Once that is sorted we will be unstoppable.

plus if Hughes does go the odds are we will get Mourinho. So it's all good.
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 13:44

Ok. Look fellas your a decent bunch of fans but i'm getting a bit tired of writing something, Being complemented or just getting into a decent debate, just for some silly twat to then write some utter bollocks about City still being shit, or how Our success isn't guaranteed. Because i genuinely believe it is. if you look at our squad now just compared to a season ago. And then last seasons to the season before. Nobody can deny what is happening at City is remarkable!!! Our current first team reads....Given...Richards, Toure, (A.N. Other class CB, not bought yet but will be), Bridge.......Robinho, Barry, Ireland, SWP.....Adebayour, Tevez. plus another load of top class squad players (Onouha, Kompany, Zabaleta, Dunne, Garrido, Petrov, De Jong, Johnson, Santa Cruz, Bellamy). If you genuinely don't believe city are gunna be awsome then you have real problems. People may talk about Gelling, But be honest. Do any of you REALLY think that team won't Gell??? City are the future. Everybody knows it. But nobody will dare admit it. Is that the City fan Arrogance/Ego you all rant about???

One other point. Will for it as much as you want. Even yearn for it. But when you look at United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and now City. Do You Evertonians REALLY Genuinley believe you can break the Top4 and stay there. Competing for the Top prizes in England and Europe year in, year out. Well actually yes. You probably do. Because you have to. But in the Really Real world.....No! without a massive Investor Pumping Silly money into your club.

And therein lies the root of why me and mine keep taking so much shit from All and Sundry. You can say what you like but we all know 80 - 90% of all abuse directed at City and it's fans is based on Envy and Fear.

So i will leave you to think i am Delusional. And be assured i think your rather delusional yourselves.

Add your Rants below.... :angry:


This is what really annoys me now, don't they realise that top players don't automatically adapt to playing in a different system than they did before etc.... Did they never see any of Real Madrid's games during the 1st wave of the so called 'Galacticos'?? They had several players who many would put in the top few in the world at the time but hardly set the world alight did they??
I'm sure some of our feelings towards Shitty are slightly based on envy but only cos they've actually got money to spend while we never have a lot. I'd still rather be in our position than paying way over the odds for players!
I just can't wait to see them have a real shit start and Hughes out of a job by Christmas, and if we surprise everyone by finishing 5th again then all the better COYB!!!!!
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 14:37

Ok. Look fellas your a decent bunch of fans but i'm getting a bit tired of writing something, Being complemented or just getting into a decent debate, just for some silly twat to then write some utter bollocks about City still being shit, or how Our success isn't guaranteed. Because i genuinely believe it is. if you look at our squad now just compared to a season ago. And then last seasons to the season before. Nobody can deny what is happening at City is remarkable!!! Our current first team reads....Given...Richards, Toure, (A.N. Other class CB, not bought yet but will be), Bridge.......Robinho, Barry, Ireland, SWP.....Adebayour, Tevez. plus another load of top class squad players (Onouha, Kompany, Zabaleta, Dunne, Garrido, Petrov, De Jong, Johnson, Santa Cruz, Bellamy). If you genuinely don't believe city are gunna be awsome then you have real problems. People may talk about Gelling, But be honest. Do any of you REALLY think that team won't Gell??? City are the future. Everybody knows it. But nobody will dare admit it. Is that the City fan Arrogance/Ego you all rant about???

One other point. Will for it as much as you want. Even yearn for it. But when you look at United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and now City. Do You Evertonians REALLY Genuinley believe you can break the Top4 and stay there. Competing for the Top prizes in England and Europe year in, year out. Well actually yes. You probably do. Because you have to. But in the Really Real world.....No! without a massive Investor Pumping Silly money into your club.

And therein lies the root of why me and mine keep taking so much shit from All and Sundry. You can say what you like but we all know 80 - 90% of all abuse directed at City and it's fans is based on Envy and Fear.

So i will leave you to think i am Delusional. And be assured i think your rather delusional yourselves.

Add your Rants below.... :angry:


But there is only one team to have broken the top 4 in the last 6 or seven seasons - and they did it with a worse team than they have now, and without a massive Investor Pumping Silly money into [the] club.....can you guess who it was??????
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 15:03

Given - only player city have bought who would start every game at any of the top 4
Richards - LOL
Toure - unwanted by a top 4 club
Bridge - 3rd choice at top 4 club
Robinho - has his moments
Barry - 5th choice england cm
SWP - flopped at top 4 club
Adebayour - unwanted by top 4 club *arsenal fan insert oppinion here*
Tevez - 3rd choice at utd
(Lescott - 3rd choice)

city have bought the top 4s unwanted/squad players, which we have done 4 the past couple of years and built a team tthat has become the 5th best in the country. We need about 3 quility players which wud start at the top 4 clubs to compete. city need about 6 more and a class manager, and thats not goin to happen this transfer window
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 16:20

Given - only player city have bought who would start every game at any of the top 4
Richards - LOL
Toure - unwanted by a top 4 club
Bridge - 3rd choice at top 4 club
Robinho - has his moments
Barry - 5th choice england cm
SWP - flopped at top 4 club
Adebayour - unwanted by top 4 club *arsenal fan insert oppinion here*
Tevez - 3rd choice at utd
(Lescott - 3rd choice)

city have bought the top 4s unwanted/squad players, which we have done 4 the past couple of years and built a team tthat has become the 5th best in the country. We need about 3 quility players which wud start at the top 4 clubs to compete. city need about 6 more and a class manager, and thats not goin to happen this transfer window


You are quite blatantly barking mad....This coming from someone who's club captain is PHILL FUCKING NEVILLE....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......TOO FUNNY....

P.S. i think you'll find Gareth Barry has started the last 10 England Internationals. Capello would disagree with you. (i also noticed you left out Stevie "superman" Ireland!!! Better than any player you have.....PERIOD!!!)
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 16:24

But there is only one team to have broken the top 4 in the last 6 or seven seasons - and they did it with a worse team than they have now, and without a massive Investor Pumping Silly money into [the] club.....can you guess who it was??????


Yeah i think that was.....erm...was it you guys??? oh yeah i remember. You made it there once and you "MAY" even get there again (every 10 years or so). But you will simply never make a sustained challenge like the big4 do year in year out. And like City will when we get rolling....
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 16:28

Yeah i think that was.....erm...was it you guys??? oh yeah i remember. You made it there once and you "MAY" even get there again (every 10 years or so). But you will simply never make a sustained challenge like the big4 do year in year out. And like City will when we get rolling....

....what do we think guys (and gals?).....!!!!!

Edited by PFthetoffee, 10 Aug 2009 - 16:29.

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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 16:59

Given - only player city have bought who would start every game at any of the top 4 (Reality = ???? Whatever mate)

Richards - LOL (reality = A very talented youngster who was inexplicably played out of position, Would you like him at Everton? of course you would)

Toure - unwanted by a top 4 club (reality = Top class prem league CB. Better than any on your books. Arsenal fans were gutted to see him go, Would you like him at Everton? of course you would)

Bridge - 3rd choice at top 4 club (reality = fantastic passer/crosser of a ball, better going forward than back but still very classy, Would you like him at Everton? of course you would)

Robinho - has his moments (reality = one of the most naturaly gifted players on the planet. Injured for some time last year but still finished as the prem leagues 4th highest scorer....FROM LEFT WING!!!, Would you like him at Everton? HAHAHA. Dream on kid. He wouldn't play for you and you couldn't afford him if you sold your entire starting 11...)

Barry - 5th choice england cm (reality = in the top 10 best CM's in the league. Not missed an England game under Capello. Just ask the fat spanish waiter across town about him. He'd snap our hands off for him now he's lost Alonso. England regular, chosen over Carrick in the holding roll, Would you like him at Everton? of course you would)

SWP - flopped at top 4 club (reality = he'll turn your blood inside out and he knows where the net is. Was criminaly unused at Chelsea, A City Legend, Another Acadamy product the current England manager loves, Would you like him at Everton? of course you would)

STEPHAN IRELAND (HMMMM, FORGET THAT ONE DID YOU??? CONVENIENT)

Adebayour - unwanted by top 4 club *arsenal fan insert oppinion here* (reality = Proven goal scorer. Prehaps paid a little over the odds but he's still FAR better than any of your strikers. Especially Jo the Donkey, Would you like him at Everton? of course you would)

Tevez - 3rd choice at utd (reality = LMFAO.... The stupidest thing you've said yet. United fans literally begged Fergie to "sign him up", One of the best players on the planet, Would you like him at Everton????? See Robinho

(Lescott - 3rd choice)???????????????????????? Sorry lads you missed the boat because of your Greedy stubborn Gollum like manager. We've moved on.
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 17:31

Given - only player city have bought who would start every game at any of the top 4 (Reality = ???? Whatever mate)

Richards - LOL (reality = A very talented youngster who was inexplicably played out of position, Would you like him at Everton? of course you would)

Toure - unwanted by a top 4 club (reality = Top class prem league CB. Better than any on your books. Arsenal fans were gutted to see him go, Would you like him at Everton? of course you would)

Bridge - 3rd choice at top 4 club (reality = fantastic passer/crosser of a ball, better going forward than back but still very classy, Would you like him at Everton? of course you would)

Robinho - has his moments (reality = one of the most naturaly gifted players on the planet. Injured for some time last year but still finished as the prem leagues 4th highest scorer....FROM LEFT WING!!!, Would you like him at Everton? HAHAHA. Dream on kid. He wouldn't play for you and you couldn't afford him if you sold your entire starting 11...)

Barry - 5th choice england cm (reality = in the top 10 best CM's in the league. Not missed an England game under Capello. Just ask the fat spanish waiter across town about him. He'd snap our hands off for him now he's lost Alonso. England regular, chosen over Carrick in the holding roll, Would you like him at Everton? of course you would)

SWP - flopped at top 4 club (reality = he'll turn your blood inside out and he knows where the net is. Was criminaly unused at Chelsea, A City Legend, Another Acadamy product the current England manager loves, Would you like him at Everton? of course you would)

STEPHAN IRELAND (HMMMM, FORGET THAT ONE DID YOU??? CONVENIENT)

Adebayour - unwanted by top 4 club *arsenal fan insert oppinion here* (reality = Proven goal scorer. Prehaps paid a little over the odds but he's still FAR better than any of your strikers. Especially Jo the Donkey, Would you like him at Everton? of course you would)

Tevez - 3rd choice at utd (reality = LMFAO.... The stupidest thing you've said yet. United fans literally begged Fergie to "sign him up", One of the best players on the planet, Would you like him at Everton????? See Robinho

(Lescott - 3rd choice)???????????????????????? Sorry lads you missed the boat because of your Greedy stubborn Gollum like manager. We've moved on.


TBH mate you started off OK in earlier posts but now your coming across as a cock sucker.
It is funny how money brings out arrogance...
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 17:50

TBH mate you started off OK in earlier posts but now your coming across as a cock sucker.
It is funny how money brings out arrogance...


I've never done anything other than speak my mind and tell the truth. As i staited in a previous post. I will write something. Some agree/disagree fair enough. But out of nowhere some walking abortion will say something pretty ridiculous Like Barry, Tevez, Toure or Robinho are shit and i just think "people can't be that envious that they are willing to lie to themselves"??? i mean have your say sure. But don't lose the plot!!

Do you guys genuinly not agree with my last bit about the city team. Every player we have would simply stroll into your starting 11. As i have stated many many times. I have a real soft spot for Everton, Its fans, what they're all about. But i won't sit and listen to blatant bollocks. I'm sorry if that comes across as being a twat.
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 17:55

how is sayin tevez was 3rd choice stupid?? rooney 1st choice then berbatov and then there was the 3rd choice tevez
didnt think it was worth mentionin ireland tbh, good player but he wouldnt get in our startin 11, would have unless it was on the right wing. swp is over rated hes quick and thats about it, his crossin is shockin, his shootin is awful with his row ZZ super strikes over the bar, positioning is shocking total liabilty. he reminds me of pienaar but alot shitter! btw robben, duff, joe cole surprised he never got a game really??
the only position richards should have played las year was a the reserves bench he was shocking! and CB is his position, he's jus shit at it. bridge would be great back up 4 baines tbh.
arteta, cahill, scholes, hargreaves, carrick, anderson, gerrard, alonso, mascherano, fabregas, song, ballack, lampard, mikel, essien, palacios, modric over money whore that is barry, feck it captain fucking neville as well, best captian by a mile las season.
"(Lescott - 3rd choice)???????????????????????? Sorry lads you missed the boat because of your Greedy stubborn Gollum like manager. We've moved on." to apparently upson!! yea cos thats a huge fuckin boost to your super new team of heroes fightin the sky 4
toure better than jags then, id u even watch any football las season toure is not class! and jags was probs considered the 2nd best in the prem after vidic, although i'd argue he was the best after vidic poor performances in the 2nd half of thhe season
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 17:56

Do you guys genuinly not agree with my last bit about the city team. Every player we have would simply stroll into your starting 11.


Patheic. Like EW said. Enough.
Come back when the season's been going a while (if you can be a bit more respectful of where you are).
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 17:57

I've never done anything other than speak my mind and tell the truth. As i staited in a previous post. I will write something. Some agree/disagree fair enough. But out of nowhere some walking abortion will say something pretty ridiculous Like Barry, Tevez, Toure or Robinho are shit and i just think "people can't be that envious that they are willing to lie to themselves"??? i mean have your say sure. But don't lose the plot!!

Do you guys genuinly not agree with my last bit about the city team. Every player we have would simply stroll into your starting 11. As i have stated many many times. I have a real soft spot for Everton, Its fans, what they're all about. But i won't sit and listen to blatant bollocks. I'm sorry if that comes across as being a twat.



This is an EVERTON forum, get it? You're not going to have people falling over themselves to agree with you.
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 18:01

I've never done anything other than speak my mind and tell the truth. As i staited in a previous post. I will write something. Some agree/disagree fair enough. But out of nowhere some walking abortion will say something pretty ridiculous Like Barry, Tevez, Toure or Robinho are shit and i just think "people can't be that envious that they are willing to lie to themselves"??? i mean have your say sure. But don't lose the plot!!

Do you guys genuinly not agree with my last bit about the city team. Every player we have would simply stroll into your starting 11. As i have stated many many times. I have a real soft spot for Everton, Its fans, what they're all about. But i won't sit and listen to blatant bollocks. I'm sorry if that comes across as being a twat.


If we talk about playing ability, then yes, a lot of Man City's players could hold a 1st team place.
If we talk about all attributes of the player, then no they couldn't walk into our 1st team. (Abebayour is Yakubu style lazy.)

For example, Bridge would have a very hard job to shift Baines from left back.
Richards would not be placed ahead of Lescott.
Given would not instantly replace Howard.

The only player I would have in an instant (i.e. no hesitation) from City's current team is Ireland. The rest would be great luxuries should we have the funds to afford them and European football to give them (well 1 out of 2 ain't bad).
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 19:05

I've been biting my tongue over this one but i've had enough. I have worked in Manchester for five years now and have a lot of mates who are United and City fans. The thing that hits me the most is that the City fan that keeps coming on this web site is indicative of how arrogant and smug the City fans have become. I used to have a soft spot for City because i felt they were a club like ours. They had great fans that supported them when the times were bad (like leeds are doing now) and they had been through the mill just like ourselves and years of shite and dross to watch. At the start of the buy out i was quite pleased for them because although i knew it would make our situation more difficult to challenge for honours i thought that it would kick the premiership up the arse and give the Shite a bit of a scare. I also was quite pleased for the lads who i knew who are genuine football fans who knew the game and always had a laugh about Citys innability to be conistent in anyway apart from being inconsistent. However this prick who comes on our website belittling the work Moysie and the players have done in the last seven years and dismissing us as nothing more than a stepping stone to City finishing higher than fifth is nothing more than a cancer that is killing the game.

Lets deal with the facts eh? you say City are not inflating the market but it is Man Utd's for selling Ronaldo for 80 million? So your telling me if you had the chance you wouldn't have bought Ronaldo for 80 million? Of course you would because you would have taken great delight to rub Uniteds nose in it because City are so rich. But here's the problem the Ronaldo's, Terry's and Kaka's of this world are NEVER coming to City because the Top players look at you as a JOKE! And here's the kicker my friend because of the way you and the rest of your lot who have turned into horrible, arrogant, smug and crass fans the rest of the football world look at you and either laugh or smile to themselves and shake their heads because a once respected club and set of fans has lost their way and become a parody of themselves. Yes, you should finish top five because the amount of money you have spent demands that but for the hundred million you have spent i would say you have bought averagely. Even with another centre half you will struggle to hit top five. Yes and before you say it it will soon be January so you can spend another 50 million well done. I am happy for you and yes there are players in you team that i would love to have at Everton but i could say that about most teams in the prem.
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Posted 10 Aug 2009 - 20:39

Who is this C.T.I.D. Idiot? he should be banned from this site. Tricky Trev is so right. City fans are just sooooo bloody Arogant these days.
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