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#81 nullus

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Posted 29 Aug 2009 - 05:51

You sure talk a lot for someone that supports a club that spent over £100 million in the last 4 years and the only silverware you won was because of the "men in black"...

You also know full well why we were in this draw instead of yesterday's.
Anyways, I'm not saying we're playing well, we're not. We haven't played what we should in the 4 years Paulo Bento has been in charge, be even playing badly we always end up ahead of you... ;)



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Top 5?? Jeez, you guys are always top of the world in the summer... ;)
You need to come to grips with reality, and remember that a season isn't defined by what you do before it starts. Besides, don't forget, there'll 8 teams coming from the CL as well, so don't be all over-optimistic. Remember, Shaktar was dropped from the CL to the UEFA or ending 3rd in our group, and we beat them on both games.



Good players, but does it hurt you guys that there's only 1 Portuguese player in that 11?
I mean, back in the late 70s, early 80s, it was 1 foreigner at best, now it's this...

There's decent youngsters that should play, like Amorim, Miguel Vitor and Fabio Coentrão (this boy is gonna be one hell of a player), but what chance do they get??



Well, Portugal needs a benfica that's competitive in europe. Last year was a disgrace, and we'll need points, if we hope to get back to 3 CL teams and 3 Europa teams.
We always get 2 or 3 teams kicked out in the knockoff stages, why do they work so hard for qualifying to do what Setubal, Guimarães, Braga (this year), National and all the others do, to get kicked out so stupidly against extremely easy sides?
I'm actually surprised National managed to kick out Zenit from Europa, a club that has a budget higher than any club in Portugal, that won the UEFA 2 years ago, and they're out. I don't like National, especially their highly arrogant president, but credit to them, I hope they get us some points too.


Seriously man? What the hell are you doing here? You should be in front of your stadium right know asking for the head of your coach. After 2 games in Liga Sagres your team has 1 point in 6 possible, you lost/draw every official game so far, and dont make me talk about your preseason.

True we've spent a lot of money in the last seasons, but you kept your team and your coach for 4 years in a row, how many championships have you own so far? 12-1 aggregate against Bayern Munich last season rings any bell? First time ever you passed the group stage in the champions league and you got pounded.

We finished third so what? Our coach was Enrique Sanchez Flores, he had no previous knowledge of the league, the season before that we had 3 coaches...
This year we got Jorge Jesus, last season he went all the way to the quarter finals with SC Braga in Uefa Cup, thats quite an achievement, plus like you told, we spent a lot of money on our team, but we got some awesome players, no matter how you put it, Saviola, Aimar, Di Maria, Cardozo and many others would be first choice in Sporting in any day of the week. I think I got all the reasons in the world to be confident, time will tell if I was right to be confident, cause everyone knows its like how you finish and not how you start...

Seriously I think that a Sporting fan talking about Everton vs Benfica speaks much about the drepession their supporters have, got nothing else better to do? But I understand you, Everton and Benfica were, are and will be, better teams than Sporting will ever be.

Edited by nullus, 29 Aug 2009 - 06:07.

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Posted 29 Aug 2009 - 10:16

hello guys

im a Benfica supporter...i love the premier League (the best League in the world!!). Im happy with the draw and to play a english team like Everton. It will be 2 interesting games. Its normal that i want benfica to win but it will very difficult. Im member from Diabos Vermelhos. Benfica is the team with the most members in Europe!!

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In this link are some photos where you Everton fans will stay.

thanks.

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#83 Sporting4ever

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Posted 29 Aug 2009 - 19:24

Seriously man? What the hell are you doing here? You should be in front of your stadium right know asking for the head of your coach. After 2 games in Liga Sagres your team has 1 point in 6 possible, you lost/draw every official game so far, and dont make me talk about your preseason.


What's the point?? It's been four fucking years!! We've asked for it quite enough, if president Ravanelli doesn't get it soon, PB won't leave and you know it, no matter how much we pressure them. Close to 100.000 members, and less than 30.000 have their quotas in order. You know as well as I that most of us don't see ourselves in the direction these people are taking the club, but try to convince that to the "old men from restelo". To them, Roquette and friends can do no wrong, and so here we are.

True we've spent a lot of money in the last seasons, but you kept your team and your coach for 4 years in a row, how many championships have you own so far? 12-1 aggregate against Bayern Munich last season rings any bell? First time ever you passed the group stage in the champions league and you got pounded.


How many did you win?? And how many CL presences did you have, and trophies won, for all that money spent?? As for bayern, it's not like you didn't get hammered by "giants" celta vigo either...

We finished third so what? Our coach was Enrique Sanchez Flores, he had no previous knowledge of the league, the season before that we had 3 coaches...
This year we got Jorge Jesus, last season he went all the way to the quarter finals with SC Braga in Uefa Cup, thats quite an achievement, plus like you told, we spent a lot of money on our team, but we got some awesome players, no matter how you put it, Saviola, Aimar, Di Maria, Cardozo and many others would be first choice in Sporting in any day of the week. I think I got all the reasons in the world to be confident, time will tell if I was right to be confident, cause everyone knows its like how you finish and not how you start...


Appart from saviola, you had all those last season... As for them beeing first choice in Sporting, I don't know...
Aimar played virtually nothing last season, Cardozo isn't the proper companion for Liesdon, Saviola might be, and Di Maria wouldn't take the spot of either Vuk or Izmailov. And doesn't it bother you that none of your "awesome players" are portuguese? How can you claim to have a better formation than us when you don't use it, and spend millions every year on foreign players?
As for Quique, previous knowledge of the league??? Is that why he changed the starting 11 EVERY SINGLE GAME? He was a shitty coach, and knowledge didn't save camacho the year before. Pre-seasons mean nothing, they never did, yet you're always champions at pre-season, "this is the year" and all that jazz. And it never gets you anywhere.

Seriously I think that a Sporting fan talking about Everton vs Benfica speaks much about the drepession their supporters have, got nothing else better to do? But I understand you, Everton and Benfica were, are and will be, better teams than Sporting will ever be.


Seriously, you should look at the date I joined. I've been here for about a year now, and talked about many different things. The quality of a forum is reflected on the quality of the members and the discussions they have, and I've enjoyed it here. I've gained a deep respect for Everton and their supporters, given that they, like us, do a lot with so little, they've learned that suffering is as big a part of the game as goals, while others just expect to win everything every time (and no, I don't mean benfica in particular, porto are worse, as are fans from the really big clubs, like real, milan and united).
So excuse me if I, as a portuguese, like to share my oppinion in a forum about a group where both a portuguese team and team I like and for which I wish the best play in.

...Benfica is the team with the most members in Europe!!...


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Posted 30 Aug 2009 - 00:27

I wont bother to make quotations.

But talkin about Celta de Vigo, sure that was an awfull result, but it was also 10 years ago, and still it was even much less than 12-1 aggregate, and yours was last year. That time was a really an awfull time for Benfica, I compare it to the dark ages, we still suffer a bit from it, but we are slowly getting back on our feet and taking the place thats rightfully ours.

Talking about CL presences, we got 29 overall, since the new format (Benfica: 91/92 - 94/95 - 98/99 - 05/06 - 06/07 - 07/08; Sporting - 97/98 - 02/03 - 06/07 - 07/08 - 08/09)

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Portugal Division 1 - SuperLiga since 1934/1935
Best result : 1st in 2004/2005

31 times first in 2004/2005, 1993/1994, 1990/1991, 1988/1989, 1986/1987, 1983/1984, 1982/1983, 1980/1981, 1976/1977, 1975/1976, 1974/1975, 1972/1973, 1971/1972, 1970/1971, 1968/1969, 1967/1968, 1966/1967, 1964/1965, 1963/1964, 1962/1963, 1960/1961, 1959/1960, 1956/1957, 1954/1955, 1949/1950, 1944/1945, 1942/1943, 1941/1942, 1937/1938, 1936/1937, 1935/1936
24 times second in 2003/2004, 2002/2003, 1997/1998, 1995/1996, 1992/1993, 1991/1992, 1989/1990, 1987/1988, 1985/1986, 1981/1982, 1978/1979, 1977/1978, 1973/1974, 1969/1970, 1965/1966, 1958/1959, 1955/1956, 1952/1953, 1951/1952, 1948/1949, 1947/1948, 1946/1947, 1945/1946, 1943/1944
14 times third in 2008/2009, 2006/2007, 2005/2006, 1999/2000, 1998/1999, 1996/1997, 1994/1995, 1984/1985, 1979/1980, 1961/1962, 1957/1958, 1953/1954, 1950/1951, 1938/1939

UEFA Champions League since 1957/1958 (29 participations)
Best result : 1st in 1961/1962

2 times first in 1961/1962, 1960/1961
5 times second in 1989/1990, 1987/1988, 1967/1968, 1964/1965, 1962/1963


UEFA Cup since 1966/1967 (17 participations)
Best result : 2nd in 1982/1983

1 times second in 1982/1983


Uefa Cup Winners' Cup since 1970/1971 (7 participations)
Best result : Semi-Finals in 1993/1994

Latin Cup since 1949/1950 (3 participations)
Best result : 1st in 1949/1950

1 times first in 1949/1950
1 times second in 1956/1957
1 times third in 1955/1956


Intercontinental Cup - Toyota Cup since 1961/1962 (2 participations)
Best result : 2nd in 1962/1963
2 times second in 1962/1963, 1961/1962


Cup of Portugal since 1921/1922
Best result : 1st in 2003/2004

27 times first in 2003/2004, 1995/1996, 1992/1993, 1986/1987, 1985/1986, 1984/1985, 1982/1983, 1980/1981, 1979/1980, 1971/1972, 1969/1970, 1968/1969, 1963/1964, 1961/1962, 1958/1959, 1956/1957, 1954/1955, 1952/1953, 1951/1952, 1950/1951, 1948/1949, 1943/1944, 1942/1943, 1939/1940, 1934/1935, 1930/1931, 1929/1930
10 times second in 2004/2005, 1996/1997, 1988/1989, 1974/1975, 1973/1974, 1970/1971, 1964/1965, 1957/1958, 1938/1939, 1937/1938


No one said that we had a better formation than sporting, but what did that get you? You talk about the money we spent, but you forget that you dont spend any because you dont have it. Look at your new signing. Angulo from Valencia? 32 years old on a free transfer, because Valencia didnt want him. Dont you have a decent formation to get a more decent player for that position? No matter what you say, if you could, you would take Cardozo or Aimar instead of him.
And about Di Maria, hes 21 years old, he plays for the Argentinian National team, do you know who Maradona puts on the bench to let him play? And everyone knows that Aimar was recovering from a severe injury, last season he wasnt still at his peak, by the time he was making awesome performances the league was almost over, and he wasnt playing in his natural position, this season he will...

I dont agree that we had a better team last year, we lost Reyes, Suazo, Katsouranis... but to compensate we got Saviola, Weldon, Keirrison (this one still needs alot of work to get used to european football), Fabio Coentrao (he was out on a loan, but hes more mature now), Filipe Menezes? (press says we are about to sign this player, still needs confirmation), Ramires, Cesar Peixoto, Javi Garcia and Julio Cesar.
Overall and all things considered I think we have a better and more balanced team.

And talking about Camacho, do not forget he wasnt the first coach that season...

Edited by nullus, 30 Aug 2009 - 00:43.

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Posted 30 Aug 2009 - 02:58

No one said that we had a better formation than sporting, but what did that get you? You talk about the money we spent, but you forget that you dont spend any because you dont have it. Look at your new signing. Angulo from Valencia? 32 years old on a free transfer, because Valencia didnt want him. Dont you have a decent formation to get a more decent player for that position? No matter what you say, if you could, you would take Cardozo or Aimar instead of him.
And about Di Maria, hes 21 years old, he plays for the Argentinian National team, do you know who Maradona puts on the bench to let him play? And everyone knows that Aimar was recovering from a severe injury, last season he wasnt still at his peak, by the time he was making awesome performances the league was almost over, and he wasnt playing in his natural position, this season he will...

I dont agree that we had a better team last year, we lost Reyes, Suazo, Katsouranis... but to compensate we got Saviola, Weldon, Keirrison (this one still needs alot of work to get used to european football), Fabio Coentrao (he was out on a loan, but hes more mature now), Filipe Menezes? (press says we are about to sign this player, still needs confirmation), Ramires, Cesar Peixoto, Javi Garcia and Julio Cesar.
Overall and all things considered I think we have a better and more balanced team.

And talking about Camacho, do not forget he wasnt the first coach that season...


We're getting way off-topic here, so we should rap this up, so let me just clear a few things.
That thing about your youth training was on your tv, I saw the clip on youtube. As for us not spending, you're probably correct. But that begs the question of just where LFV gets the money for all those new teams every year...
As for Angulo, I agree. We have enough attackers, Liedson, Postiga, Yannick, Caicedo, Saleiro, even Vukcevic can play there pretty well. We also have quite enough midfielders, although I'd like at least a winger, like Coentrão, since it looks like Pereirinha is destined to become a right back, because it no matter the ammount of crap that Pedro Silva does, he starts if he's fit...
So yeah, I'd take other players over a 32 year old striker which we don't need. Your team is more balanced this year, that's a given, and Jesus is a much better coach than El Queque will ever be.
I don't mind a stronger benfica, portugal needs more clubs to step up and represent us, but I do mind a foreign benfica, a benfica filled with brazilians and argentinians instead of portuguese talent like they should.
I do mind having my club ran like it's been run for the past 5 to 6 years, led by people with no clue about what Sporting is, that have destroyed the fans beliefs in them, and until that changes, we'll never be anything other than 2nd.
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Posted 30 Aug 2009 - 07:17

Posted Image Maybe you lads should start you own thread in the off topic section. ;) ;)
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Posted 30 Aug 2009 - 09:55

Didn't realise that they're doing the "five official" experiment in this.

Extra assistants on each goal line communicating via headsets.
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Posted 30 Aug 2009 - 11:21

Didn't realise that they're doing the "five official" experiment in this.

Extra assistants on each goal line communicating via headsets.


Hopefully that will bring more justice to the final result in Europa league. But still 2 more people to judge when they all needed was 1 guy watching replays on a tv screen.

Edited by nullus, 30 Aug 2009 - 11:25.

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Posted 30 Aug 2009 - 11:22

Posted Image Maybe you lads should start you own thread in the off topic section. ;) ;)


yeah...a lot of talk, but no results. not since the 60s anyway.
anyway, let's not get mad at each other. we'll be happy to go to Lisbon, to enjoy the good weather, food and hopefully a good result. At home, we should win them all..
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Posted 30 Aug 2009 - 19:19

Posted Image Maybe you lads should start you own thread in the off topic section. ;) ;)


Mate, this is calm. You should see us when we're fired up ;)
And don't sweat it, if we need to exchange barbs, we'll use a proper thread.

Didn't realise that they're doing the "five official" experiment in this.

Extra assistants on each goal line communicating via headsets.


Really? Seems like a stupid waste of resources, if all they'll be checking is the goal line.

Hopefully that will bring more justice to the final result in Europa league. But still 2 more people to judge when they all needed was 1 guy watching replays on a tv screen.


I agree. Reminds of the time indoor hockey had the refs behind the goals, which was a real waste, has we've seen since they've been removed. Tech is a much better way to fix a lot of disputes, namely the main time wasters that are diving and theatrics, a real plague in modern football, and we here see it a lot more than in other championships. And the idiot commentators with their "it's part of the game" remarks, grade A arseholes perpetuating unsportsman like behaviors.

yeah...a lot of talk, but no results. not since the 60s anyway.
anyway, let's not get mad at each other. we'll be happy to go to Lisbon, to enjoy the good weather, food and hopefully a good result. At home, we should win them all..


Late October and early November, it'll depend... Good food, you'll always have, but weather, I don't know.

Edited by Sporting4ever, 30 Aug 2009 - 19:20.

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Posted 31 Aug 2009 - 20:06

For your consideration, benfica up 5-0 (!!) at half time against setúbal...
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Posted 01 Sep 2009 - 06:35

All weekend results of the teams that are in this group (not including Everton since you all know that one):

The Super League Greece -> Atromitos 0 - 1 AEK (Blanco 58') | Match Highlights -

Vysshaya Liga -> Bate Borisov 1 - 1 Dinamo Minsk (Sergei Kislyak 40' -Minsk ; Sergei Krivets 85' -Bate)

Liga Sagres -> Benfica 8 - 1 Vitória de Setúbal (J. Garcia 16', Luisão 21', Cardozo 29, 65' and 75', Aimar 35', Ramires 37', Gomes 85'; Barbosa 90'+2) | All Goals - | Full Game Download: 1st Half - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TL4OBZ3W <> 2nd Half - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OVGBIAUG

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Posted 01 Sep 2009 - 06:47

Nice bit of work there, and very informative.
Thanks nullus. :)
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Posted 01 Sep 2009 - 07:21

Bookies have got it down as pretty much a two horse race...

http://www.oddscheck...up-i/win-market

Greek sides can be dangerous but AEK look to have had a pretty bad season last year. The "big three" over there (AEK, Panathinaikos, Olympiakos) are normally even more secure at the top than our sky four but they dropped out of it for only the second time in ten years last season (maybe longer but that's as far as I looked). Away form screwed them; they only won three out of fifteen and scored only nineteen....although they only lost one...drew eleven.
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Posted 01 Sep 2009 - 08:27

Didn't realise that they're doing the "five official" experiment in this.

Extra assistants on each goal line communicating via headsets.


Doing what? Waiting to see if the ball crosses the line? Or are they an extra pair of eyes for other incidents too?
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Posted 01 Sep 2009 - 08:55

I really don't get this 5 officials in a match. (Six if you count the 'fourth' official on the dugouts)

Soon there will be more officials than fans. Rugby, (both Union and League) use televised replays. Tennis has Hawkeye, Cricket has something (whatever that is called). Football creates the most income, generally over a season creates more interest. So why in hell's name can't we have technology?

I have heard arguments for and against, and frankly the arguments against are no real arguments at all.
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Posted 01 Sep 2009 - 08:57

Doing what? Waiting to see if the ball crosses the line? Or are they an extra pair of eyes for other incidents too?


"In addition to the match referee and two assistant referees on the touchline, two extra assistants are placed behind the goalline, with the mission of focusing on incidents which happen in the penalty area, such as fouls or misconduct. "

http://www.uefa.com/...sid=835399.html
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Posted 01 Sep 2009 - 09:15

"In addition to the match referee and two assistant referees on the touchline, two extra assistants are placed behind the goalline, with the mission of focusing on incidents which happen in the penalty area, such as fouls or misconduct. "

http://www.uefa.com/...sid=835399.html


The thing is Mike, the occurances whatever they may be will still be diagnosed and cross referenced by TV broadcasters, and mistakes will still be highlighted on air.

We have the technology, and a lot of it is already in use by TV companies such as Sky etc. I can not see why it is not used to sort out things (eg Eduardo's diving)

Don't get me wrong, having extra officials may be a good idea. But with modern technology, for the modern game, available. Why not use it?
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Posted 01 Sep 2009 - 09:40

Issue with TV replays during the game is the time it takes to make a decision when the evidence can be replayed over and over.

Football is fast paced so needs to remain that. Imagine a shot hits the bar bounces over the line but back out in to the keepers arms. The keeper goes to throw it out for a counter attack but referee gestures the TV judge to take a look...the whole game stops and the opposition regroups.

We already see the impact players faking injury has on the pace of the game, it would further slow it if we keep stopping for the TV judge.
Where would the TV judge stop, just for goal line dramas or for tackles in the centre circle too just to make sure the yellow card wasn't harsh enough?

Personally, I think the drama and conversations that some decisions spark brings excitment to the game. Looking at TV footage after the event for blatant assaults, cheating should continue to be used.

I do think goal line technology should be pursued...for situations like Crystal Palace found themselves in couple of weeks ago. This can be automated without a person behind a TV screen, a buzzer on the refs watch for example.

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Posted 02 Sep 2009 - 08:52

Leave it all to the ref... thats why hes there.... just give more powers to a "review panel"
The most important questions are....How far do we go? & What exactly do we target?

A process allowing managers to "report" incidents for review post match wood be good.. I dont want Big fucking Andy Gray getting involved.....

OK this may not have an effect "in game" but if players and referees were punished for their mistakes / cheating they would think twice about doing it again....

The only technical aspect I would introduce is goaline technology
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Posted 02 Sep 2009 - 18:54

I really don't get this 5 officials in a match. (Six if you count the 'fourth' official on the dugouts)

Soon there will be more officials than fans. Rugby, (both Union and League) use televised replays. Tennis has Hawkeye, Cricket has something (whatever that is called). Football creates the most income, generally over a season creates more interest. So why in hell's name can't we have technology?

I have heard arguments for and against, and frankly the arguments against are no real arguments at all.


The main argument against is simply one:
The money that revolves around the post-match debates. Talk shows, radio programs, and tons of papers. That's lots of money that wants things like they are, and they have a lot of power.

Issue with TV replays during the game is the time it takes to make a decision when the evidence can be replayed over and over.

Football is fast paced so needs to remain that. Imagine a shot hits the bar bounces over the line but back out in to the keepers arms. The keeper goes to throw it out for a counter attack but referee gestures the TV judge to take a look...the whole game stops and the opposition regroups.

We already see the impact players faking injury has on the pace of the game, it would further slow it if we keep stopping for the TV judge.
Where would the TV judge stop, just for goal line dramas or for tackles in the centre circle too just to make sure the yellow card wasn't harsh enough?

Personally, I think the drama and conversations that some decisions spark brings excitment to the game. Looking at TV footage after the event for blatant assaults, cheating should continue to be used.

I do think goal line technology should be pursued...for situations like Crystal Palace found themselves in couple of weeks ago. This can be automated without a person behind a TV screen, a buzzer on the refs watch for example.


It's not the job of the tech to do the refereeing. It's there as a tool to assist them in their job. As you pointed out, the game already takes stupid breaks when players roll around on the pitch. Imagine the tech saying "he wasn't hit that hard, or at all", and the ref books him. Players get a casual clip on the shoulder and fall down grasping their faces, wtf is this???
There's lots of pauses in the game, this would only help in that. Clear up penalties, to get Eduardo booked ON the pitch, ammong other things.

Leave it all to the ref... thats why hes there.... just give more powers to a "review panel"
The most important questions are....How far do we go? & What exactly do we target?

A process allowing managers to "report" incidents for review post match wood be good.. I dont want Big fucking Andy Gray getting involved.....

OK this may not have an effect "in game" but if players and referees were punished for their mistakes / cheating they would think twice about doing it again....

The only technical aspect I would introduce is goaline technology


The ref, just like everyone else on that pitch, is HUMAN. They make mistakes. And what we're seeing more and more is players taking advantadge of the faster pace that gameplay is having, and pushing further and further to force those mistakes.
Like Rubecula says, we have the tech. What's the harm in having a assistant for the linesmen, to which they can ask to confirm if a player was offside or not. We've seen numerous instances of the flag going up 5 seconds later, and he was just trying to make up his mind if he gave it or not. With the level of tech we have now, someone could confirm that almost in real time.
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Posted 02 Sep 2009 - 19:55

Goal line tech, use what they do in Ice hockey.
Replays are a good idea, Andy townend(who i can't stand) made a good point the otherday, he said by the time the Celtic players had stop arguing, they seen 3 replays of the incedant an could have said it wasn't a pen.

also 5 ref's meand s 2 extra refs to screw us over. Colina the best ref in the WHOLE WORLD on his last ever game, was told to make sure we don't win. an he did, robbing git. so all an extra 2 refs do is increase the change that Uefa can fix who goes throught an who doesn't.

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Posted 03 Sep 2009 - 08:53

Goal line tech, use what they do in Ice hockey.
Replays are a good idea, Andy townend(who i can't stand) made a good point the otherday, he said by the time the Celtic players had stop arguing, they seen 3 replays of the incedant an could have said it wasn't a pen.

also 5 ref's meand s 2 extra refs to screw us over. Colina the best ref in the WHOLE WORLD on his last ever game, was told to make sure we don't win. an he did, robbing git. so all an extra 2 refs do is increase the change that Uefa can fix who goes throught an who doesn't.



THAT just shows what a numpty Townsend is..... HE HAD TIME TO SHOW REPLAYS BECAUSE THE GAME HAD STOPPED.......

If it hadnt been given.... how long to say it was a pen....would he have time to do that...
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Posted 03 Sep 2009 - 11:49

THAT just shows what a numpty Townsend is..... HE HAD TIME TO SHOW REPLAYS BECAUSE THE GAME HAD STOPPED.......

If it hadnt been given.... how long to say it was a pen....would he have time to do that...

his point was, that in a dection like that, players will argue with the ref over a x amount of time, the time taken to carm them down, could have proved if it was or wasn't a pen.
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Posted 03 Sep 2009 - 13:58

his point was, that in a dection like that, players will argue with the ref over a x amount of time, the time taken to carm them down, could have proved if it was or wasn't a pen.


ANYTHING can happen in 30 seconds.... goals can be scored, players sent off anything....
I dont want to see the game stopped every 10 mins..... it could just turn into a farce....

Dealing with these thing afterwards is much easier without interupting the game / viewer experience.
I agree goal line technology can and should be used as this wouldnt stop the game......Everything else can be dealt with retrospectively..... Getting cought and banned should deter cheating and "SIMULATION". Referees will be under pressure to get their decisions right & panels should be able to "punish" them accordingly...
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Posted 03 Sep 2009 - 19:55

ANYTHING can happen in 30 seconds.... goals can be scored, players sent off anything....
I dont want to see the game stopped every 10 mins..... it could just turn into a farce....

Dealing with these thing afterwards is much easier without interupting the game / viewer experience.
I agree goal line technology can and should be used as this wouldnt stop the game......Everything else can be dealt with retrospectively..... Getting cought and banned should deter cheating and "SIMULATION". Referees will be under pressure to get their decisions right & panels should be able to "punish" them accordingly...


How do you deal with afterwards?
A badly called penalty that gives a team 3 points, how do you overturn it? Punish the ref, the diver, but what about the 3 points? You need to deal with that during the game. The game already stops more than once every 10 minutes. Actual play time is little over half of actual game time, so you can't say that there'll be more time lost. Not until you actually TEST it.
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Posted 03 Sep 2009 - 23:27

I'd perhaps look at a referral system similar to American Football and what they plan to put in place in the Cricket pretty soon.

Teams allowed X number of challenges, but if they get it wrong there's some form of standard penalty.

Either that or a system where the ref will allow play to continue until a video ref makes the call. That could be a bit messy though I suppose.
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Posted 04 Sep 2009 - 03:01

Leave it all to the ref... thats why hes there.... just give more powers to a "review panel"
The most important questions are....How far do we go? & What exactly do we target?

A process allowing managers to "report" incidents for review post match wood be good.. I dont want Big fucking Andy Gray getting involved.....

OK this may not have an effect "in game" but if players and referees were punished for their mistakes / cheating they would think twice about doing it again....

The only technical aspect I would introduce is goaline technology



Good idea. Also think it would be good if the referees had an open post match review to explain some decisions. We know they have a tricky job but some decisions defy belief and need explaining.
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Posted 04 Sep 2009 - 12:37

How do you deal with afterwards?
A badly called penalty that gives a team 3 points, how do you overturn it? Punish the ref, the diver, but what about the 3 points? You need to deal with that during the game. The game already stops more than once every 10 minutes. Actual play time is little over half of actual game time, so you can't say that there'll be more time lost. Not until you actually TEST it.


Im happy to say thats just part of the game.... sometimes you will get them sometime you wont....
I would rather that than ruin the game by stopping it every time someone falls over...
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Posted 04 Sep 2009 - 15:32

Football will never be free flowing if there is too much emphasis on the TV judge.
Just too many negatives for me and probable reason it very rarely get's much publicity.

Plus, someone mentioned earlier, the number of TV shows that exist to debate decisions, off the ball incidents etc would never go for it. Just like we will never see the common cold cured, the pharamcutical industry makes too much money from it.
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Posted 04 Sep 2009 - 16:43

Im happy to say thats just part of the game.... sometimes you will get them sometime you wont....
I would rather that than ruin the game by stopping it every time someone falls over...


I doubt very mutch anything would be implemented that would force football to become like that. No one wants football to be like american football, where game time is 60 minutes but actually it takes like 3 hours!
But it's necessary to implement more control, because if nothing else, it lessens the risk of corruption that exists now, which is pretty high.
And given the money involved in betting, the less corruption we have, the better.

Football will never be free flowing if there is too much emphasis on the TV judge.
Just too many negatives for me and probable reason it very rarely get's much publicity.

Plus, someone mentioned earlier, the number of TV shows that exist to debate decisions, off the ball incidents etc would never go for it. Just like we will never see the common cold cured, the pharamcutical industry makes too much money from it.


Exactly. I think tech can be implemented without it having to become involved in every little aspect of the game. but when controversy arrises, it's there to clear the issue.
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Posted 04 Sep 2009 - 16:53

In the earlier posts of this thread it seems like some like that you guys got Benfica in the group stages...I don't think you guys should be happy lol we're not push overs :D
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Posted 04 Sep 2009 - 16:54

Another result:

SL Benfica 3 - 1 Celtic FC (Friendly CNE CUP - Toronto Canada - Sept 3rd)

Both teams were missing a lot of starting eleven players due to national team games. I read alot of british and scotish news that said Benfica had a lot of regulars on their starting eleven, thats was clearly an overstatement, there were only 3 on Benfica side plus the 3 that entered during the game, and we also had alot of youth on that game Roderick Miranda, Ruben Pinto, Nélson Oliveira, Diogo Figueiras and Tiago Ramos, they are all from the U-21 team.

All goals -

It was a good opportunity for both teams to give some minutes to some players and give some experience to the youth players. Of course it was a friendly match, and the result is the less important thing.

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Posted 04 Sep 2009 - 17:11

In the earlier posts of this thread it seems like some like that you guys got Benfica in the group stages...I don't think you guys should be happy lol we're not push overs :D


Well, given the seeded clubs that were possibles, you're one of the better choices. Plus, AEK are struggling hard, so the chances that both Everton and you "lamps" willl go trough is good. I hope you do. Last season you guys were terrible in europe, and Portugal needs as many points as we can get, as it seems that even if we get 6 teams to the qualifying rounds, we never get more than 3/4 to the groups stage.

Another result:

SL Benfica 3 - 1 Celtic FC (Friendly CNE CUP - Toronto Canada - Sept 3rd)

Both teams were missing a lot of starting eleven players due to national team games. I read alot of british and scotish news that said Benfica had a lot of regulars on their starting eleven, thats was clearly an overstatement, there were only 3 on Benfica side plus the 3 that entered during the game, and we also had alot of youth on that game Roderick Miranda, Ruben Pinto, Nélson Oliveira, Diogo Figueiras and Tiago Ramos, they are all from the U-21 team.

All goals -

It was a good opportunity for both teams to give some minutes to some players and give some experience to the youth players. Of course it was a friendly match, and the result is the less important thing.


Remember, you took a lot of 1st team players, they didn't play because of the synthetic grass, jesus said it himself, so it's normal that they expected a stronger team, and use that as an excuse for the result.
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Posted 05 Sep 2009 - 01:06

Well, given the seeded clubs that were possibles, you're one of the better choices. Plus, AEK are struggling hard, so the chances that both Everton and you "lamps" willl go trough is good. I hope you do. Last season you guys were terrible in europe, and Portugal needs as many points as we can get, as it seems that even if we get 6 teams to the qualifying rounds, we never get more than 3/4 to the groups stage.



Remember, you took a lot of 1st team players, they didn't play because of the synthetic grass, jesus said it himself, so it's normal that they expected a stronger team, and use that as an excuse for the result.

We were poor yah but we make too many changes we never have stability. This year should be different. We have pretty much the same squad with the right players added to the squad so we wont have the same as last season.

Everton is a great team and I've been waiting for a while to play them. I BELIEVE it will be Benfica and Everton through

Hey Benfica can't do worse then the 20-0 scoreline Sporting had last season against Bayern :D
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Posted 05 Sep 2009 - 18:02

We were poor yah but we make too many changes we never have stability. This year should be different. We have pretty much the same squad with the right players added to the squad so we wont have the same as last season.

Everton is a great team and I've been waiting for a while to play them. I BELIEVE it will be Benfica and Everton through

Hey Benfica can't do worse then the 20-0 scoreline Sporting had last season against Bayern :D


20-0?? I see this is gonna be like those Jardel penalties, with you "lamps" making a storm out of a mild rain... ;)

Besides, didn't you guys got some interesting results last season in europe as well...?
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Posted 07 Sep 2009 - 20:04

A question for one of the many portugese fans posting in this thread. Apologies if this has already been asked 9and answered) but can you tell me how many tickets Benfica usually provide for visiting supporters? UEFA rules state it has to be a minimu of 5% for Europa League games but that's just over 3000 and I can see us wanting 3 or 4 times that amount.
Also, is anyone on here a member of the European Travel club as I understand that is the only way to get a ticket through the club or am i mistaken??
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Posted 08 Sep 2009 - 12:50

Played as AEK Athens on Fifa last night, against a mate who was Olympiacos. I ripped the shreads out of him, it was gurrd! On a side note, i know its a game, i know it doesnt reflect 'real' life but they were pretty good hahaha

p.s. i laugh now but i know i wont be laughing come the line-up!

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Posted 08 Sep 2009 - 13:31

Hey there Everton fans!

I´m a Benfica fan and am really glad to meet Everton in this stage of the Europa League!
I honestly think our group is a good one, with a niece historical english team like Everton, with top players like Saha, Jo, Cahill, Arteta or Fellaini, and AEK Athens!

I think we´ll have 2 very good games against you guys, with good atmospheres and great football!
I hope Benfica and Everton qualify in the end!

If you want to know Benfica´s team in detail or anything else about the club, just ask! ;)


We usually play with:

Quim

Maxi Pereira
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David Luiz
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Javi Garcia
Ramires
Di Maria
Aimar

Saviola
Cardozo



Big hug...and sorry for my bad english!
By the way...visit our forum anytime...you´ll be very welcome there...It´s: www.serbenfiquista.com

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Posted 08 Sep 2009 - 13:42

Played as AEK Athens on Fifa last night, against a mate who was Olympiacos. I ripped the shreads out of him, it was gurrd! On a side note, i know its a game, i know it doesnt reflect 'real' life but they were pretty good hahaha

Plainly not real life.

AEK have only beaten Olympiakos twice in the last twenty league meetings....lost thirteen and drawn five :) .

Ολυμπιακός!

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