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#1 EvertonToffees

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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 04:36

Baines was quality last season. But he seems to have dropped off a lot this season. Defensively obviously Neill is a lot better. Baines best attacking attributes which are supporting runs and crosses which were fantastic last year have gone bad. And most of his crosses are terrible now.

So Baines vs Neill. Is it time to play Neill yet?

Or maybe for Heitinga?
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#2 Romey 1878

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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 07:20

Why would you play Heitinga or Neill at LB when both of them are RB's or CB's predominently?
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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 08:09

Baines will stay where he is, unless he turns to absolute garbage which is unlikely. I don't particularly want to see Neill or Heitinga at LB because as Mark pointed out neither of them play there naturally. If Baines were to get injured we would move Distin to LB and play probably Heitinga in the centre with Neill or Hibbert at RB.

Edited by TC., 03 Oct 2009 - 08:10.

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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 08:48

Baines will stay where he is, unless he turns to absolute garbage which is unlikely. I don't particularly want to see Neill or Heitinga at LB because as Mark pointed out neither of them play there naturally. If Baines were to get injured we would move Distin to LB and play probably Heitinga in the centre with Neill or Hibbert at RB.



have to agree neill isn't a left back so should never play there i feel he will cover cb more than rb as well but in all honesty with jags back in light training did we realyy need him on 40k a week
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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 10:30

baines is our best left back, can put a cracking cross and take a few free kicks
give him a chance
we moan so much but the whole team have been playing shite at times
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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 10:40

have to agree neill isn't a left back so should never play there i feel he will cover cb more than rb as well but in all honesty with jags back in light training did we realyy need him on 40k a week


we had to play hibbert at centre back and granted he did a good job but in the league now we have yobo and jags injured for this weekend which means we got baines-distin-heitinga-hibbert...and neill is the only cover now especially with neville out for a couple months and the fact heitinga will probably play in midfield at some point so yeah i think we do need him.
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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 10:48

Both Heitinga and Neil are RB/CB. Plus Bainsy is amazing at LB.
Funny thing we dont have any other LBs other than Baines.
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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 11:27

Both Heitinga and Neil are RB/CB. Plus Bainsy is amazing at LB.
Funny thing we dont have any other LBs other than Baines.


It's rather worrying to be honest, but I think Heitinga can play there in an emergency.
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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 11:36

distin...
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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 11:38

Baines is a great defender too. Don't know what your talking about!
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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 12:35

Baines is a great defender too. Don't know what your talking about!

Neill is quality aswell. Baines seems to not be doing so good lately.
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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 12:40

distin...


I think your right there Marco. Distin has been poor aswell. Good thing is we are not playing half as good as we can. So when we pick things up, were going to rally for top 5 again. :D
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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 14:40

I think your right there Marco. Distin has been poor aswell. Good thing is we are not playing half as good as we can. So when we pick things up, were going to rally for top 5 again. :D



Distin has been poor? :o

What are you talking about? He's had 2 average games against average opposition and now he's apparently poor?


Neill is not a left back, and he will never be as good as Baines there. Baines is bloody terrific. Not on his best form but nobody is. Many will tell you he's our best crosser besides Billy, not to mention he can actually dribble and overlap because he has pace.
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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 15:35

I think your right there Marco. Distin has been poor aswell. Good thing is we are not playing half as good as we can. So when we pick things up, were going to rally for top 5 again. :D


distins been great...my comment was in response to we have no cover at left back its like distin doesnt exist when we mention the left back spot
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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 17:11

As already mentioned Neill is not a LB that is why Moyes bought Distin as a like for like replacement for Lescott, They are two totally different type's of players but if you have to compare the two Baines is far better in my opinion to be honest i dont even think its debatable :blink:

All the lads have had a poor start and i wouldn't say Baines was one of the poorer players and Distin has shown that he is a very solid player.
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Posted 03 Oct 2009 - 18:00

I think your right there Marco. Distin has been poor aswell. Good thing is we are not playing half as good as we can. So when we pick things up, were going to rally for top 5 again. :D

that makes me wonder, do you follow football at all? First off you try to say who should play LB when Baines is the only first choice LB we have, all be it Distan can play there but Baines is the only one. Niell is a RB/CB. And Distan poor? He has been playing fairly well imo and im sure many people will feel the same.
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Posted 04 Oct 2009 - 20:58

Baines was quality last season. But he seems to have dropped off a lot this season. Defensively obviously Neill is a lot better. Baines best attacking attributes which are supporting runs and crosses which were fantastic last year have gone bad. And most of his crosses are terrible now.

So Baines vs Neill. Is it time to play Neill yet?

Or maybe for Heitinga?



Clearly you have never played football to any kind of standard, if at all, otherwise you would not come out with such drivel!
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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 01:14

Clearly you have never played football to any kind of standard, if at all, otherwise you would not come out with such drivel!


Actually i have. A lot of you guys fail to understand the fundamentals it seems.
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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 01:18

When Discussing Neill vs Baines, Neill is much better defensively. But lacks that attackive instinct Baines had that was so good towards the end of last year for us. Yes they don't play the same positions so i admit the thread may be a little pointless. But we can compare them none the less.
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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 07:28

would I swap a very decent left back and even better attacking wing back for one of our two new players to play them out of position?

Obviously not!

Primarily neither are left footed, I don't know how good eithers left foot is but I'd hazard a guess at not as good as Baines.

Baines has a great understanding with Piennar and if Piennar is back next week then he will be back attacking with him.

Defeinsively he makes his mistakes but he's not a bad player at all.


I don't know how you can knock Distin, he's look rock solid in the games I've seen and that's having come straight into the side and having not had the same defeinsive partner all the time. He's tight defensively, can play the ball around a bit and is as quick as most of the opposition attack.
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#21 Romey 1878

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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 08:37

Actually i have. A lot of you guys fail to understand the fundamentals it seems.



The fundamentals of playing players completely out of position?
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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 09:35

The fundamentals of playing players completely out of position?



haha!
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#23 duncanmckenzieismagic

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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 09:43

Actually i have. A lot of you guys fail to understand the fundamentals it seems.



Lol well if you understand football I can only presume that you have not watched Everton this season because Distin has been superb for us since he joined, I would even go as far as to say he has been an improvement on Lescott defensively

Also apart from a couple of dodgy performances early on Baines is now getting back to his best both defensively and attacking( Saha & Felli have both scored from Baines crosses in recent weeks

So that can only mean you are either clueless about football or you havent actually seen Everton play this season to want to play other players out of position ahead of Baines likewise your critisism of Distin
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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 11:40

Lol well if you understand football I can only presume that you have not watched Everton this season because Distin has been superb for us since he joined, I would even go as far as to say he has been an improvement on Lescott defensively

Also apart from a couple of dodgy performances early on Baines is now getting back to his best both defensively and attacking( Saha & Felli have both scored from Baines crosses in recent weeks

So that can only mean you are either clueless about football or you havent actually seen Everton play this season to want to play other players out of position ahead of Baines likewise your critisism of Distin


I have seen every one of our games this season. And i have played a lot of football. Baines is wasting these corners and set pieces. 2 good balls out of 10 isn't up to premiership level.

I know these guys are English and all. But we have to look outside the box. When Nuno was here he didn't get any time at all when recovered from injuries. And Neill is a lot higher quality than Baines. We need him on the park. Can't wait to see it.
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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 11:56

I have seen every one of our games this season. And i have played a lot of football. Baines is wasting these corners and set pieces. 2 good balls out of 10 isn't up to premiership level.

I know these guys are English and all. But we have to look outside the box. When Nuno was here he didn't get any time at all when recovered from injuries. And Neill is a lot higher quality than Baines. We need him on the park. Can't wait to see it.


arteta is better than baines to, maybe we should chuck him into LB <_<

How is playing Neil going to improve our set pieces, he hasn't taken any attacking free kick in his life??
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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 13:17

Baines!

I remember him from the last season he was really good, hes ability with crosses is really great...

Baines and Neill are different players to compare.
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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 14:05

Wait, I've found the answer... let's play Cahill at LB :).
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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 14:09

Wait, I've found the answer... let's play Cahill at LB :).

Are you stupid...?? Yakubu is the OBVIOUS choice :P
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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 14:11

Are you stupid...?? Yakubu is the OBVIOUS choice :P



:o

But Cahill's Australian and Yakubu's only Nigerian, how dare you :angry: .
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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 14:39

:o

But Cahill's Australian and Yakubu's only Nigerian, how dare you :angry: .

You got me there, tut, silly me! What about Howard as a striker, could it work?
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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 14:42

I have seen every one of our games this season. And i have played a lot of football. Baines is wasting these corners and set pieces. 2 good balls out of 10 isn't up to premiership level.

I know these guys are English and all. But we have to look outside the box. When Nuno was here he didn't get any time at all when recovered from injuries. And Neill is a lot higher quality than Baines. We need him on the park. Can't wait to see it.


Did you watch any games at all last season though as it seems you must not have due to your comments?

Baines may not have been playing at his best of late but neither has anyone else really with a makeshift team that is changing constantly due to injuries its no suprise at times, I don't want to slate Neill as he has not been given a chance to show his worth yet but to say he is alot higher quality then Baines is lunacy to be honest.

Edited by EFC-Paul, 05 Oct 2009 - 14:43.

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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 15:49

I have seen every one of our games this season. And i have played a lot of football. Baines is wasting these corners and set pieces. 2 good balls out of 10 isn't up to premiership level.

I know these guys are English and all. But we have to look outside the box. When Nuno was here he didn't get any time at all when recovered from injuries. And Neill is a lot higher quality than Baines. We need him on the park. Can't wait to see it.



What position do you play, I bet your an attacking left sided goalkeeper?
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#33 Romey 1878

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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 16:08

What position do you play, I bet your an attacking left sided goalkeeper?



I reckon he plays FOC myself, which is the position of full of crap.

Edited by Romey 1878, 05 Oct 2009 - 16:08.

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#34 holystove

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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 16:31

What position do you play, I bet your an attacking left sided goalkeeper?


Didn't want to get involved here, but that line made me laugh.
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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 23:53

First of all, this topic shouldn't have even been started. Even the threadmaker admits this.

It's stupid to consider putting Neill at LB as his best position is, by far and a way, at CB, followed by RB. And it's simply ludicrous to even consider replacing Baines at LB with Neill - but all that has been said before ITT.

But really, we're not THAT bad off for people who can fill the LB position:
- Baines
- Billy (people seem to be forgetting he has played pretty well there for Russia before)
- Neville
- Distin

But I worry Distin hasn't the pace nor stamina to play at LB - which would mean Pienaar/Billy wouldn't get any support or overlapping runs.

Edited by Jesse_Wray, 05 Oct 2009 - 23:54.

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#36 Jesse_Wray

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Posted 05 Oct 2009 - 23:54

EvertonToffees, are you Australian?
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