bassman Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Genuine enquiry guys, so please no flak, but does anyone have the slightest idea as to why, season after season, we are suffering so much with injuries? I know all teams have injuries to key players at some stage, but we seem to be plagued with them. Is it something to do with the fitness or training methods? I for one, have no idea, but some of the more knowledgeable amongst you may have some theories at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Cos most of them are mollycoddled overpaid woofters anyway, and some of them are foreigners who havent got the mindset to play in the premier league. The long term serious injuries i can forgive, but some of our players cant play because they have a cold or they have a slight cough, and they dont feel strong enough to play twice a week, twice a week ffs. When i was their age if i was fit enough to stand up, i would get on my bike and cycle from field to field playing once on saturday and twice on sundays. woofters. :gay: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigb Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Cos most of them are mollycoddled overpaid woofters anyway, and some of them are foreigners who havent got the mindset to play in the premier league. The long term serious injuries i can forgive, but some of our players cant play because they have a cold or they have a slight cough, and they dont feel strong enough to play twice a week, twice a week ffs. When i was their age if i was fit enough to stand up, i would get on my bike and cycle from field to field playing once on saturday and twice on sundays. woofters. :gay: i agree what you mean and the logic is there but, these players dont only play twice a week, they train for most of the week too, and from what i can gather its strenious work they do, they need to keep themselves in peak physical condition, so 2 big games in a week on top of this, could prove too much sometimes. Im not making excuses by the way, most football players are woofters as you say! but im just offering some opposition argument, if you want to call it that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 i agree what you mean and the logic is there but, these players dont only play twice a week, they train for most of the week too, and from what i can gather its strenious work they do, they need to keep themselves in peak physical condition, so 2 big games in a week on top of this, could prove too much sometimes. Im not making excuses by the way, most football players are woofters as you say! but im just offering some opposition argument, if you want to call it that! I feel so sorry for them Craig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigb Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Haha, yeah me too! But as i say im just offering the opposition argument so to speak, but for the wages they are on you would expect them to fly through 2 games a week, and want some more again, but unfortunately, they dont like working that way ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 even if it is the fact they play twice a week which they dont always do it doesnt hit other teams as hard as it does us so there is something not right at all...plus they should be able play 2 or 3 times easy cos they'd just be training if they wern't playing and it can't be so much more strenuous to play for 90 minutes rather than train for several hours! they should be gettin some kip on the coaches and planes too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 Cos most of them are mollycoddled overpaid woofters anyway, and some of them are foreigners who havent got the mindset to play in the premier league. The long term serious injuries i can forgive, but some of our players cant play because they have a cold or they have a slight cough, and they dont feel strong enough to play twice a week, twice a week ffs. When i was their age if i was fit enough to stand up, i would get on my bike and cycle from field to field playing once on saturday and twice on sundays. woofters. :gay: ahh mate that proper tickled me that reminded me of me grandad i used to walk 18 miles in 8 feet of snow with no clothes on to work 20 hours a day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigb Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 ahh mate that proper tickled me that reminded me of me grandad i used to walk 18 miles in 8 feet of snow with no clothes on to work 20 hours a day haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheeeeeedy Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 My guess is a bit of slackness in the medical procedures. I'm not sure exactly what goes on there, but over the past few years we have signed players that have had serious injury and offfield problems. Saha and Van Der Meyde are the two i'm really thinking about, most fans could tell you they were problematic. Could otherwise be training, but then the injuries would all be similar. IIRC Blackburn had a problem with thigh strains a few years back, which magically dissappeared once Souness was gone...and the problem shifted itself up to Newcastle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 I have an inclin that it may well be training. Whether it be training them too hard, high tempo etc or whether its the type of sessions they run i.e putting strain on particular parts of the body. I dont think it's coisidence thatfor the last 2 years we've had persistant problems with injuries, its not good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 ahh mate that proper tickled me that reminded me of me grandad i used to walk 18 miles in 8 feet of snow with no clothes on to work 20 hours a day What only 20 hours the big sissy, i did some overtime on top of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 like blackadder eh 20 hour shift with 4 hours of overtime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sporting4ever Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 even if it is the fact they play twice a week which they dont always do it doesnt hit other teams as hard as it does us so there is something not right at all...plus they should be able play 2 or 3 times easy cos they'd just be training if they wern't playing and it can't be so much more strenuous to play for 90 minutes rather than train for several hours! they should be gettin some kip on the coaches and planes too I agree. Looking at the last few years, the sheer number of injuries points to more than simply bad luck. I remember that, a few years back, benfica had a similar problem, they had a high number of injuries for a couple of seasons or so, and I remember they made some changes back then, don't recall exactly if it was on the medical staff or the phisio department. Maybe one of them remembers that better than me, but I do remember that it was something like their PT wasn't properly done, or something, and they had higher attrition numbers than normal. It's what makes the most sense, really. Their bodies aren't beeing properly prepared for the ammount of time they play, therefore they injure themselves easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 I think I also read somewhere that they changed their training methods at the start of the season to some new American style sessions. I dont really know of its merits but it was meant to be more enjoyable and reduce the risk of injuries... It doesnt seem to be working! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt Pepper Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Man we've got the worst luck with injuries. It was really weird just to find out that Yobo, Baines, and Osman were all injured and out of the Europa game and Hibbert and Hietinga couldnt play WTF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBoy1980 Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Bill wrote: When i was their age if i was fit enough to stand up, i would get on my bike and cycle from field to field playing once on saturday and twice on sundays. woofters. Obviously you were in goal then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wall Writer Posted October 24, 2009 Report Share Posted October 24, 2009 Had a strange dream last night. Our injury list was so bad, we starting bring in free kids from Thailand. Please let it not get that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 ahh mate that proper tickled me that reminded me of me grandad i used to walk 18 miles in 8 feet of snow with no clothes on to work 20 hours a day You try telling that to the youth of today, and they wont believe you... seriously though, whats going on?! Has Baz got a seriously hot assistant who does all the massages? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smulliga Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 You try telling that to the youth of today, and they wont believe you... seriously though, whats going on?! Has Baz got a seriously hot assistant who does all the massages? What a load of old tosh you guys are talking ! what do you air heads mean that it has something to do with the training methods FFS ! did none of you see how Jags,Neville,Arteta,Pienaar got injured ? just to mention a couple ! jeez, bring back the Blueroom and escla ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 You try telling that to the youth of today, and they wont believe you... seriously though, whats going on?! Has Baz got a seriously hot assistant who does all the massages? What a load of old tosh you guys are talking ! what do you air heads mean that it has something to do with the training methods FFS ! did none of you see how Jags,Neville,Arteta,Pienaar got injured ? just to mention a couple ! jeez, bring back the Blueroom and escla ! where did i once question the training methods? i quoted the mighty Python to make light of the claim that training is responsible. Who's the airhead now, dumbass... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smulliga Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 ame='retnub' date='26 Oct 2009 - 13:12' timestamp='1256562736' post='192112'] where did i once question the training methods? i quoted the mighty Python to make light of the claim that training is responsible. Who's the airhead now, dumbass... My comments were not directed at you but at the countless others who were whinging about the training,this site is useless to navigate,bring back the blueroom and escla I say ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted October 26, 2009 Report Share Posted October 26, 2009 My comments were not directed at you but at the countless others who were whinging about the training,this site is useless to navigate,bring back the blueroom and escla I say ! Including you and me fourteen people have posted in this thread.....even if we were all whinging (which we're not) you'd have to be fairly seriously challenged mathematically to call that "countless." Sorry you have trouble navigating the site, we'd make it simpler for you if we could but it's just not possible . I hope the Blueroom comes back soon too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlmc25 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Genuine enquiry guys, so please no flak, but does anyone have the slightest idea as to why, season after season, we are suffering so much with injuries? I know all teams have injuries to key players at some stage, but we seem to be plagued with them. Is it something to do with the fitness or training methods? I for one, have no idea, but some of the more knowledgeable amongst you may have some theories at least. I don't know if it's bad luck or something more sinister but since Steve Round has come in our injury problems have been unbelievable (plus our defending of basic set pieces this season is inept). When we had Irvine we seemed to have little problem with injuries but last season and this it's getting silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nogs Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 My guess is a bit of slackness in the medical procedures. I'm not sure exactly what goes on there, but over the past few years we have signed players that have had serious injury and offfield problems. Saha and Van Der Meyde are the two i'm really thinking about, most fans could tell you they were problematic. Could otherwise be training, but then the injuries would all be similar. IIRC Blackburn had a problem with thigh strains a few years back, which magically dissappeared once Souness was gone...and the problem shifted itself up to Newcastle. They're mostly knee injuries, aren't they? Arteta, Jags, Neville, Vaughan, Pienaar, Anichebe - that's half of all the current injuries are pretty similar. Ok, I know most of them happened in matches, a couple as the result of pretty horrible challenges, but can this really just be bad luck? Is there something in our training that is making the players' knee joints weaker than they should be? If the muscles immediately above and below aren't strong enough, it can easily cause the knee joint to 'wobble', which is where you get your ligament and cartilage injuries coming in. I dunno, I'm no doctor but I hope it's something the club are looking into coz its ruining us at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 I don't know if it's bad luck or something more sinister but since Steve Round has come in our injury problems have been unbelievable (plus our defending of basic set pieces this season is inept). When we had Irvine we seemed to have little problem with injuries but last season and this it's getting silly. What utter rubish! If Steve Round had tackled Anichebe, Piennar, Neville etc in training then yes it would be his fault Our injury crisis has got nothing to do with Steve Round or anything the players are doing in training its just plain bad luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smulliga Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 They're mostly knee injuries, aren't they? Arteta, Jags, Neville, Vaughan, Pienaar, Anichebe - that's half of all the current injuries are pretty similar. Ok, I know most of them happened in matches, a couple as the result of pretty horrible challenges, but can this really just be bad luck? Is there something in our training that is making the players' knee joints weaker than they should be? If the muscles immediately above and below aren't strong enough, it can easily cause the knee joint to 'wobble', which is where you get your ligament and cartilage injuries coming in. I dunno, I'm no doctor but I hope it's something the club are looking into coz its ruining us at the moment. God help us ! is this supposed to be the thinking mans forum ????? oh, I keep forgetting, its half term isn't it ! yeah it must be that Steve Round fella giving them all wobbly knees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigb Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 My comments were not directed at you but at the countless others who were whinging about the training,this site is useless to navigate,bring back the blueroom and escla I say ! theres nothing wrong with this site, i find it pretty easy to navigate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigb Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 God help us ! is this supposed to be the thinking mans forum ????? oh, I keep forgetting, its half term isn't it ! yeah it must be that Steve Round fella giving them all wobbly knees haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_clarke Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 God help us ! is this supposed to be the thinking mans forum ????? oh, I keep forgetting, its half term isn't it ! yeah it must be that Steve Round fella giving them all wobbly knees agree with you here mate some serious tripe getin talked here.lets have a look at the current injuries arteta-cruciate ligament, freak accident jagielka-cruciate ligament, fell over again freak accident anichebe-knee, result of a bad tackle from nolan osman-foot, bad tackle in training pienaar-knee, bad tackle at pompey vaughan-knee, happened at derby not at everton yobo-head, not sure how he done this but i'm sure everton's training methods would not injure yobo in the head unless they practice kung fu in training neville-knee ligament again freak accident yakubu-bruised heel (before that ruptured ankle anoteher freak accident) baines-calf, simple strain (the 1st injury so far that could be linked to training methods bilyaletdinov-calf strain, happenned against benfica possibly cahill and heitinga now also who were both injured against bolton. all this shows that we have simply been unlucky with injuries over the past few years added to this we also have alot of injury prone players on our books (i.e saha, osman, vaughan,) we are suffering injuries alot. it is ludicrous however to suggest its down to training methods that these injuries are happening! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlmc25 Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 What utter rubish! If Steve Round had tackled Anichebe, Piennar, Neville etc in training then yes it would be his fault Our injury crisis has got nothing to do with Steve Round or anything the players are doing in training its just plain bad luck freak accidents seem to be occurring with alarming regularity, maybe if our players knees (whatever) were stronger they wouldn't be so prone to freak injuries when they jump for a header. It's just a thought and maybe it is purely bad luck, but questions should be asked imo. Liverpool had a lot of injuries when Phil Boersma was in charge of training, I doubt he went around actually injuring players himself. Sometimes the training can be to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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