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#1 FairWooney

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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 12:57

The draw:

Club Brugge/Valencia v FC Twente/Werder Bremen

Ajax/Juventus v Fulham/Shakhtar

Lille/Fenerbahce v Liverpool/Unirea

Panathinaikos/Roma v Standard Liege/Salzburg

Hertha Berlin/Benfica v Copenhagen/Marseille

A Madrid/Galatasaray v Everton/Sporting

Rubin/Hapoel v Villarreal/Wolfsburg

Hamburg/PSV v Athletic Bilbao/Anderlecht


Not the best, another tough tie in Lisbon followed if we get through by an even tougher trip to Turkey or Madrid.

Games are on 18th and 25th of February.
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#2 FairWooney

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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 13:03

some tough games there. Fulham have a very tough draw with the champions, Shaktar then Ajax or Juve should they manage to get through that!

Rubin a team I fancy to do very well having shown themsevels to be very handy in the Champions league have an ok first round against Hapoel but will then probably have Villareal in the next round.

Liverpool the jammy buggars have got a pretty decent draw and unless they make no improvements to their current form I can't see them failing in either of their 2 rounds.
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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 13:15

Greetings from Lisbon,

Just came here with some fair play to wish Everton good luck and may the best team win this one.

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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 13:16

http://www.evertonfc...k-off-blow.html

Bit of a joke having games at 5:45
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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 13:47

Doesnt Moutinho play for Sporting? :mellow:

Gonna be a tough game, hopefully we can have Jags back for these.
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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 13:58

Moutinho at Goodison hey? Not how it was planned.
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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 14:05

looking forward to seeing Moutinho in the flesh after all that hype.
hope we have a full team to show what we can really do.
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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 16:23

http://www.evertonfc.com/news/archive/europa-kick-off-blow.html

Bit of a joke having games at 5:45


I can understand the logistics city wise but to play at that time because of broadcasting rights is just ridiculous (a bit like the draw, what the f**k was that all about, there was about 500 balls in 12 pots. Something simple made to look very complicated). :weird:
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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 17:42

There were ten teams in the draw that we needed to avoid because they're stronger than us (on paper) currently (Liverpool, Valencia, Juventus, Shahktar, Roma, Benfica, Hamburg, Bremen, Villarreal and Marseilles) and we avoided them all for both rounds.

Sporting are 7th in the league and struggling...Atletico are 14th in the Spanish league and doing even worse. Galatasaray would be the biggest test for me but they're beatable and we'd have the second leg at home if it happens.

Don't think it's a bad draw at all....the names and reputations of the clubs make it look harder than it is and with a full(ish) squad to pick from we can make the last eight.
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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 18:28

Sporting are 7th in the league and struggling...Atletico are 14th in the Spanish league and doing even worse. Galatasaray would be the biggest test for me but they're beatable and we'd have the second leg at home if it happens.


I bet their fans are saying the same about us though...
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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 18:49

I bet their fans are saying the same about us though...

Don't doubt that for a minute, but we've (hopefully) turned the corner and will have (again hopefully) a bigger and better squad of players to call on in Feb.
I don't know the reasons for their problems but I'm hopeful they're not on the up like we (more hopefully) are :) .
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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 22:19

There were ten teams in the draw that we needed to avoid because they're stronger than us (on paper) currently (Liverpool, Valencia, Juventus, Shahktar, Roma, Benfica, Hamburg, Bremen, Villarreal and Marseilles) and we avoided them all for both rounds.

Sporting are 7th in the league and struggling...Atletico are 14th in the Spanish league and doing even worse. Galatasaray would be the biggest test for me but they're beatable and we'd have the second leg at home if it happens.

Don't think it's a bad draw at all....the names and reputations of the clubs make it look harder than it is and with a full(ish) squad to pick from we can make the last eight.


Damn. I so didn't want the draw to put us up against each other...
It's true, both of us aren't at our best at the moment, hopefully that'll change come February.
We've got a new manager (finally), the players show more willpower in the pitch, so I'm hopeful we'll be better by then.
Your injuries cannot last forever, either, so we'll be in better shape then, and have a couple of entertaining games.
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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 22:53

Fuck it. Theres alot of good teams left but our drawer is good i think. We are more than capable.
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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 22:55

What are the rules for January signings, can they be registered for the next round?
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Posted 18 Dec 2009 - 23:01

What are the rules for January signings, can they be registered for the next round?


If they haven't yet played in a european match this season, yes.
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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 02:52

Well after Benfica we at least know where to go to I suppose. Just be careful to go to the right stadium eh? LOL

The same goes to Sporting I think. Ours is the football stadium, not the footballing shed across the park. :lol:
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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 09:39

If they haven't yet played in a european match this season, yes.


So we lose Heitanga. ??
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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 12:01

My understanding is that Neill and Heitinga are available to us now in Europa Cup.

The tie with Sporting Lisbon should be a tight one - I'd make us slight underdogs but it is winnable.
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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 12:12

Heitinga can't be registered (if I'm reading the regulations correctly). If Atletico were still in the Champs league we'd have been OK but because they've dropped into the Europa we're stuffed.

18.07 Excluding the UEFA Super Cup, and subject to paragraph 18.18 below, a
player may not play UEFA club competition matches for more than one
competing club in the course of the same season. A substitute player who is
not fielded is entitled to play for another club competing in the same season’s
UEFA club competitions, provided that he is registered with the UEFA
administration in accordance with the present regulations.

18.17 For all matches from the start of the round of 32, a club may register a
maximum of three new eligible players for the remaining matches in the
current competition. Such registration must be completed by 1 February
2010 at the latest. This deadline cannot be extended.

18.18 One player from the above quota of three who has played UEFA club
competition matches for another competing club in the current season may
exceptionally be registered provided that the player has not been fielded:
�� in the same competition for another club,
�� for another club that is currently in the same competition.
Furthermore, if the player’s new club is playing in the UEFA Europa League,
his former club must not have played in the UEFA Europa League at any
point in the current season.


The offending Champs League game...

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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 12:36

Yeah thats right Mike, he played for Athletico so now that they have dropped into the same competition he cant play for us. ;)
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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 12:41

I thought they'd finished bottom of their group though? Sky have them listed as finishing bottom for some reason.

Edited by Romey 1878, 19 Dec 2009 - 12:43.

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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 13:23

Sportings Europa results and table

DATE TIME HOME AWAY

17-09 18:00 Heerenveen 2-3 Sporting
01-10 20:05 Sporting 1-0 Hertha Berlim
22-10 20:05 Ventspils 1-2 Sporting
05-11 18:00 Sporting 1-1 Ventspils
03-12 20:05 Sporting 1-1 Heerenveen
16-12 18:00 Hertha Berlim 1-0 Sporting


1Sporting-----------6 3 2 1 11
2Hertha Berlin---6 3 1 2 10
3Heerenveen-----6 2 2 2 8
4FK Ventspils-----6 0 3 3 3

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#23 Bill

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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 13:38

From the Champs League site.

Group D Pld Pts
Chelsea 6 - 14
Porto.....6 - 12
Atlético..6 - 3
APOEL...6 - 3

Was it goal diff maybe
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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 14:03

From the Champs League site.

Group D Pld Pts
Chelsea 6 - 14
Porto.....6 - 12
Atlético..6 - 3
APOEL...6 - 3

Was it goal diff maybe

Apoel did well and it makes me wonder how a team can outscore Madrid and have a better defensive stats and goal difference and go out.Madrid didnt win a home game and lost one
0-3 so why do they deserve to go forward when Apoel had the better goals stats and never lost by more than one goal......something to do with the countback rule......dont ask Bill..
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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 14:10

...why do they deserve to go forward when Apoel had the better goals stats and never lost by more than one goal......something to do with the countback rule......dont ask Bill..

Purely the head to head record. 0-0 in Madrid, 1-1 in Cyprus...Atletico get it for the away goal.
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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 19:19

Purely the head to head record. 0-0 in Madrid, 1-1 in Cyprus...Atletico get it for the away goal.


That's a rubbish rule. Why'd they feel the need to switch from goal differential?

Also, we should contest having Heits available! He's the one who will make the largest difference in our European squad.
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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 20:50

Im pretty sure Moyes said Heitinga was available? I bloody hope he is anyway...


Bollocks on WIkipedia it says he isnt eligible... Unbelievable

Edited by Bailey, 19 Dec 2009 - 20:54.

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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 21:03

Bollocks on WIkipedia it says he isnt eligible... Unbelievable

I quote the UEFA regulations saying he's ineligible but you only believe it to be true when you see it on Wikipedia.

The power of Wiki :rolleyes: :lol: .
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Posted 19 Dec 2009 - 23:00

I quote the UEFA regulations saying he's ineligible but you only believe it to be true when you see it on Wikipedia.

The power of Wiki :rolleyes: :lol: .


Lol... I just thought I better double check, you know what these UEFA regulations are like. It would surprise me if the RS win the Europa League, finish outside the top 4 and somehow get a petition signed to allow them to play in the CL!
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Posted 20 Dec 2009 - 10:59

It would surprise me if the RS win the Europa League, finish outside the top 4 and somehow get a petition signed to allow them to play in the CL!


Wouldn't surprise me either hopefully they will keep their current form until the end of the season and win sweet fa and finish outside the top four possibly five and hear what excuses they come out with, I loved the look on fat waiter's face on MOTD last night looked like a genetically modified beat root.

It will be a tough game but hopefully we will have a bigger sqaud when the time comes around, Will wait until closer to the time to put any stamp of judgement on the game.

Edited by EFC-Paul, 20 Dec 2009 - 11:06.

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Posted 21 Dec 2009 - 04:53

Hey guys, yeah I'm the Benfica fan. Anyway in my humble opinion your draw wasnt that bad, if there was a good time to face Sporting that time is now, we will see how they will be in February however, cause there is still some new players to hire, even though they shouldnt sign any expensive player because they dont have much money to buy new players.
They had one of the easiest groups, so thats why they finished 1st.
Their new coach isnt one with much european experience aswell.
So in a normal day Everton will move forward to the next round, however do not make the mistake of underrate Sporting, they can still beat you, at this level there is always a greater motivation, so you need to be carefull with players like Moutinho, Vukcevic, Izmailov and Liedson...
To be honest I couldnt care less about the result of this game, so I just want to wish that may the best team win, and good luck to you guys. Hope you guys enjoyed Lisbon the first time and come back for more, we will be here to properly welcome the Everton fans once more.
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Posted 21 Dec 2009 - 23:09

Heitinga can't be registered (if I'm reading the regulations correctly). If Atletico were still in the Champs league we'd have been OK but because they've dropped into the Europa we're stuffed.

18.07 Excluding the UEFA Super Cup, and subject to paragraph 18.18 below, a
player may not play UEFA club competition matches for more than one
competing club in the course of the same season. A substitute player who is
not fielded is entitled to play for another club competing in the same season’s
UEFA club competitions, provided that he is registered with the UEFA
administration in accordance with the present regulations.

18.17 For all matches from the start of the round of 32, a club may register a
maximum of three new eligible players for the remaining matches in the
current competition. Such registration must be completed by 1 February
2010 at the latest. This deadline cannot be extended.

18.18 One player from the above quota of three who has played UEFA club
competition matches for another competing club in the current season may
exceptionally be registered provided that the player has not been fielded:
�� in the same competition for another club,
�� for another club that is currently in the same competition.
Furthermore, if the player’s new club is playing in the UEFA Europa League,
his former club must not have played in the UEFA Europa League at any
point in the current season.


The offending Champs League game...

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The rule states that he must not have played in the same competition for another club, he hasnt therefore is eligible.
hope im right and you are wrong :P
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Posted 21 Dec 2009 - 23:41

The rule states that he must not have played in the same competition for another club, he hasnt therefore is eligible.
hope im right and you are wrong :P
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Or for another club that is now in the same competition....which he has.

You can hope all you like, won't do us any good sadly :( .
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Posted 21 Dec 2009 - 23:53

Or for another club that is now in the same competition....which he has.

You can hope all you like, won't do us any good sadly :( .

�� for another club that is currently in the same competition.
Furthermore, if the player’s new club is playing in the UEFA Europa League,
his former club must not have played in the UEFA Europa League at any
point in the current season

Aas i read it when you register the player, the club must not have already played in the same competition, which they havent. Im not a lawyer , but sure im right
Cheers mate
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Posted 22 Dec 2009 - 00:08

�� for another club that is currently in the same competition.
Furthermore, if the player’s new club is playing in the UEFA Europa League,
his former club must not have played in the UEFA Europa League at any
point in the current season

Aas i read it when you register the player, the club must not have already played in the same competition, which they havent. Im not a lawyer , but sure im right
Cheers mate


Unfortunately your wrong because Johhny H is inelligable for Europa League according to the Echo

"Moyes will also be able to register Aussie centre-half Lucas Neill to play in the last 32 stage, but cannot register Dutch signing John Heitinga because his former club Athletico Madrid are also in the competition"

http://www.liverpool...00252-25425553/
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Posted 22 Dec 2009 - 00:30

Unfortunately your wrong because Johhny H is inelligable for Europa League according to the Echo

"Moyes will also be able to register Aussie centre-half Lucas Neill to play in the last 32 stage, but cannot register Dutch signing John Heitinga because his former club Athletico Madrid are also in the competition"

http://www.liverpool...00252-25425553/

ooh feck . proved wrong again! are you my wife :) rule books and redtape can be so misleading.
On the same note the wife proposed a holiday today for my fourtieth bday.(28th feb) 'How about the brothers villa in spain she said'. I said ive always wanted to go to lisbon, portugal. She spent a while googing around and decided that it would be a nice city break. And proceeded to find us agood deal for a week in lisbon. As she clicked to confirm the trip , i looseley commented that even if we could not get tickets for the match, we will still have a great time.
1-0 to me Get In! :)
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Posted 22 Dec 2009 - 07:50

ooh feck . proved wrong again! are you my wife :) rule books and redtape can be so misleading.
On the same note the wife proposed a holiday today for my fourtieth bday.(28th feb) 'How about the brothers villa in spain she said'. I said ive always wanted to go to lisbon, portugal. She spent a while googing around and decided that it would be a nice city break. And proceeded to find us agood deal for a week in lisbon. As she clicked to confirm the trip , i looseley commented that even if we could not get tickets for the match, we will still have a great time.
1-0 to me Get In! :)



Ha ha nice one thats as bad(lol or as good depending on how you look at it) as when I took my missus on a late Valentines Day trip to Florence in March 2008 then tried to make out that I was pleasantly surprised to see that Everton just happened to have a game there the same week we were there!
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Posted 22 Dec 2009 - 21:38

ooh feck . proved wrong again! are you my wife :) rule books and redtape can be so misleading.
On the same note the wife proposed a holiday today for my fourtieth bday.(28th feb) 'How about the brothers villa in spain she said'. I said ive always wanted to go to lisbon, portugal. She spent a while googing around and decided that it would be a nice city break. And proceeded to find us agood deal for a week in lisbon. As she clicked to confirm the trip , i looseley commented that even if we could not get tickets for the match, we will still have a great time.
1-0 to me Get In! :)


Haha i like your style congratulations mate
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Posted 29 Dec 2009 - 04:00

If Atletico bow out in the first round then heitinga will not have played in the same competition with another club and will not have played for another team currently in the competition. Or will it be too late to register players?
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Posted 29 Dec 2009 - 16:20

If Atletico bow out in the first round then heitinga will not have played in the same competition with another club and will not have played for another team currently in the competition. Or will it be too late to register players?


Nice loophole attempt.

Sadly the answer is yes.....it will be to late.
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