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#41 jofanon

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Posted 01 Feb 2010 - 17:34

+1.

No one can deny that it transformed our fortunes.

Relegation strugglers to European regulars.
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#42 duncanmckenzieismagic

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Posted 01 Feb 2010 - 18:04

All those arguments aside, if Rooney wanted to come back to Everton, would you have him?



If he was still in his prime yes without a doubt.

If its when he is passed it and at the end of his career probably not
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Posted 01 Feb 2010 - 18:41

I discussed this with someone yesterday, unless we go back to the days when players share buses with the fans, have mortgages, need to take up physiotherapy after their careers then ultimately player power will rule. Look at Birmingham, those players are fighting for new contracts and their performances have been great because of it.

We will never know what goes on behind the scenes, but I guess the question I need to ask myself is 'do I believe the chairman and the board are honest with the fans' - the answer I am afraid is no. The sale of Rooney will always be one of the great unanswered questions.


I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes, but I can easily imagine that when he (Rooney) heard about Utd's interest he asked to leave (or at least was interested in talking to them) - to become a better footballer, playing Champs League, playing with world class players and winning medals and trophies, what footballer doesn't want that. I can also believe that Moyes didn't want him to go, of course, why would he, but then Moyes was still rather new to the job at the time, and I can believe that Kenwright had a little word in his ear and said, "Listen Moyesy lad, we need to sell him to sort out the club's financial 'crisis'(I use this word loosely), sorry."

Whether that is anywhere near the truth of the matter, I couldn't care less. We've done well without, and we'll continue to do so. If it was a choice between Moyes and Rooney, I'd take Moyes any day of the week.

All those arguments aside, if Rooney wanted to come back to Everton, would you have him?


Yeah, of course, did you not see him on Sunday? ;)

If he was still in his prime yes without a doubt.

If its when he is passed it and at the end of his career probably not


That's most likely when (if at all) he will come back. I think we may just be witnessing Rooney in his prime now. The worst thing I'd like to see though, is an aging, fat, slow used-to-be, kissing his badge on Saturday afternoons.

+1.

No one can deny that it transformed our fortunes.

Relegation strugglers to European regulars.


I would perhaps concede that it helped in a financial aspect maybe, but in the main I would say the major factor in that "transformation" would be the manager and what he has done and brings to the club.
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#44 hafnia

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Posted 02 Feb 2010 - 09:10

I can't see how any team can be better off without one of the best players in the world. We became a better team because the sale of rooney to united arguably gave us money, a great leader in neville, and a top class goal keeper. Of course such a sale creates siege mentality also. Does anyone honestly believe that rooney in our side over the last two years would not have made us achieve champions league? If we made improvements to the team without rooney being sold we would be in a far stronger position. But hey, that brings me back to the fact, we needed to sell rooney to survive, he had two years left on his contract, not six months. We were under no risk to sell in terms of loss of value. That to me says it's more than just rooney wanting to leave. Every club in europe would have wanted him united were the first and we sold him to them on the drip, why? Cos we were desperate. It was not a great deal, for someone with potential alone maybe, but he had just single handedly carried englands hopes in the euro's.

Edited by hafnia, 02 Feb 2010 - 09:17.

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#45 carlmc25

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Posted 02 Feb 2010 - 09:36

I can't see how any team can be better off without one of the best players in the world. We became a better team because the sale of rooney to united arguably gave us money, a great leader in neville, and a top class goal keeper. Of course such a sale creates siege mentality also. Does anyone honestly believe that rooney in our side over the last two years would not have made us achieve champions league? If we made improvements to the team without rooney being sold we would be in a far stronger position. But hey, that brings me back to the fact, we needed to sell rooney to survive, he had two years left on his contract, not six months. We were under no risk to sell in terms of loss of value. That to me says it's more than just rooney wanting to leave. Every club in europe would have wanted him united were the first and we sold him to them on the drip, why? Cos we were desperate. It was not a great deal, for someone with potential alone maybe, but he had just single handedly carried englands hopes in the euro's.

What does on the drip mean? cheap? I still can't believe anyone can moan about the deal, we got 20m up front, possibly rising to 30m for a player who had done nothing for Everton the season before (except look frustrated) and helped us finish to our lowest points total in something like 40 years (if my memory serves me correct). True, he had a very good Euro tournament for England but Baros also had a very good tournament for Czech Republic (in fact an even better tournament than Rooney) and he wasn't being sold for 20-30m. Kenwright has consistently brokered fantastic deals for this club - Jeffers, Ball, Barmby, McFadden, Lescott & Rooney yet some people still moan about it. Get a grip.

If we had Rooney now we would no doubt be a much better team but if to get Rooney we had to sell 20-30m of players we have bought (in transfer fees) ie Arteta, Cahill, Howard, Jags, Pienaar, Neville etc, then we'd be an infinitely worse team. I would suggest that Kenwright got the aforementioned players 'on the drip' rather than the other way round. Give him some credit.
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#46 Bill

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Posted 02 Feb 2010 - 09:44

I agree with Carl, i think that post puts the whole Rooney saga in a nutshell.
If we hadnt sold we wouldnt have the team we have today, would probably have been relegated and he would have left anyway. Good post Carl.
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#47 hafnia

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Posted 02 Feb 2010 - 10:01

Ten million up front. Rest of payments were installments and based on uniteds success. Given that chelsea had just spent 30 million on essien it hardly suggests we should have snapped their hands off. To compare rooneys euro campaign to baros is outrageous. Rooney single handedly took the game to one of the best teams in the world in france, at times overshadowing zidane drawing superlatives from thierry henry, with gerrard claiming he was the best player in europe. He didn't mention baros funny enough, his liverpool team mate. Sure, let's give bill praise for selling our assets, he's had plenty of practice.
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#48 MikeO

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Posted 02 Feb 2010 - 11:33

...gerrard claiming he was the best player in europe. He didn't mention baros funny enough, his liverpool team mate.

When he said that (two days before the Portugal game) Rooney was his team-mate, not Baros, and he was talking up England's chances. Why would he mention Baros?

(Personally can't remember what sort of tournament Baros had, just putting the comment in context)
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#49 Romey 1878

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Posted 02 Feb 2010 - 11:42

Going round in circles comes to mind...
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Posted 02 Feb 2010 - 12:28

When he said that (two days before the Portugal game) Rooney was his team-mate, not Baros, and he was talking up England's chances. Why would he mention Baros?

(Personally can't remember what sort of tournament Baros had, just putting the comment in context)

From memory, Baros was at least joint top scorer in the competition, scored some fantastic goals and the Czech Republic did a lot better than England. Rooney did play very well in the Euro's, no doubting that, but he was a young kid who had just endured a very poor (in and out of team) season for his club. If we had have kept him and he had endured another pretty awful season at Everton then his value would have been nearer 10-15m than 20-30m. We had a poor team, Rooney was getting no space, he was on the wing a fair bit and getting more and more frustrated - I can't see any reason why his value would have gone up if we didn't cash in then. We all knew he had talent but for Everton, he was less effective than 2.5m Cahill.
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Posted 02 Feb 2010 - 14:03

Baros scored one more goal than rooney. Played more games and two of his goals were against a poor latvian team. Let's not even start comparing the attributes of baros to rooney it's almost like comparing kevin kilbane to pienaar. Rooney was being doubled up on in our team, which if we had players to complement him would have given us more space to exploit. It has gone full circle undoubtedly, his talent has gone to help united win a host of trophys, we never had the financial status to hold on to him, nor the players to complement him. Whatever part he played in leaving you can certainly be sure the dire finances of the club meant it had to happen. If there was ever a sure thing in terms of an 18 year old set to become a world class player it was him. Was anyone surprised when they seen his hattrick debut, goal against newcastle, double against middlesboro? No. That's why selling him with two years left made no sense.
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#52 duncanmckenzieismagic

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Posted 02 Feb 2010 - 14:33

Why do people insist on reading more in to this than there is?

What more do people want Rooney has been all over the press again this week saying that he wanted to leave and he has said it many times before. He has said it , Moyse has said it , Kenwright has said it, Rooneys agent has said it. Its has been widely reported by just about every media outlet in the UK and still the conspiracy theorists are having none of it.

He wanted to go he was not forced out, it has worked out better for all parties because undoubtedly the money has helped Everton ( I wouldnt go as far as to say it saved us) Rooney is better off and Man Utd are certainly better off

He is a world class player but he is Uniteds world class player so can we please forget about him now and move on!
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Posted 03 Feb 2010 - 13:23

He is a world class player but he is Uniteds world class player so can we please forget about him now and move on!


the oldest TT phrase - agree to disagree.
if this thread is stopping you moving on, stop reading and posting it. simple.
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#54 duncanmckenzieismagic

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Posted 03 Feb 2010 - 15:33

the oldest TT phrase - agree to disagree.
if this thread is stopping you moving on, stop reading and posting it. simple.



Your right I am flogging a dead horse.

If I could produce the actual written transfer request some people would claim that Kenwright & Moyse were holding Coleen hostage and threatening to behead her if he didnt sign it


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