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#1 ustoffee22

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Posted 23 Jan 2010 - 20:05

Why is Moyes refusing to play Coleman ... the games he's played in he has obviously made a difference this is supposed to be his time to shine with hibbert out why are we play neville at right back
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Posted 23 Jan 2010 - 20:13

Because whilst he's shown glimpses of his quality, it's unwise to throw youngsters in the big occasion every week. Moyes instead will ease him in, and overall that will be good for his game in the future. He'll probably end up a regular starter at Everton within a year or two.
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#3 duncanmckenzieismagic

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Posted 23 Jan 2010 - 20:33

Because whilst he's shown glimpses of his quality, it's unwise to throw youngsters in the big occasion every week. Moyes instead will ease him in, and overall that will be good for his game in the future. He'll probably end up a regular starter at Everton within a year or two.



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Posted 24 Jan 2010 - 01:46

Would have made sense to give him a runout today. We were already losing, he could have provided a spark much like he did against Spuds. Oh, well.
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Posted 24 Jan 2010 - 03:05

I think he should get more game time. Not starting every week, but when we play in a game where we need more going forward (like today) then he should get a shout.

Neville may be a great organiser and leader and thats great defensively but he is marginally better than Hibbert going forward. While there may be questions of Colemans defending there are certainly no questions about how productive he can be at the other end.
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#6 Romey 1878

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Posted 24 Jan 2010 - 08:16

There has to be no other option for Moyes to play youngsters. All this crap about youth getting a chance at Everton is just that; crap. Moyes will play senior players who are totally out of form ahead of hungry youngsters, Moyes will play senior players out of position before he'll consider playing a youngster. It does my head in.
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#7 duncanmckenzieismagic

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Posted 24 Jan 2010 - 08:57

There has to be no other option for Moyes to play youngsters. All this crap about youth getting a chance at Everton is just that; crap. Moyes will play senior players who are totally out of form ahead of hungry youngsters, Moyes will play senior players out of position before he'll consider playing a youngster. It does my head in.


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Rooney,Rodwell, Vaughan, Anichebe, Coleman, Duffy, Osman,Hibbert, Baxter, Wallace, Fellaini, Jo, Gosling, Fernandes, no your right Moyse just point blank refuses to give youngsters a go!

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Posted 24 Jan 2010 - 09:03

;)

Rooney,Rodwell, Vaughan, Anichebe, Coleman, Duffy, Osman,Hibbert, Baxter, Wallace, Fellaini, Jo, Gosling, Fernandes, no your right Moyse just point blank refuses to give youngsters a go!


Read my post again.

The majority of the time he will only give them a go if there is no other option. Rodwell wouldn't have had the amount of games he had if Moyes had any other player he could have played there.

Christ, Duffy doesn't even get ahead of Hibbert and Neville to play. Hence what I said in my first post in that he'll play players totally out of position rather than play youngsters.

It does my head in because some of these youngsters, i.e. Duffy, Coleman, Vaughan, are so much better than the odd minute here or there. They would play out of their skins and probably show up a few of our senior players, especially recently.
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Posted 24 Jan 2010 - 12:47

There has to be no other option for Moyes to play youngsters. All this crap about youth getting a chance at Everton is just that; crap. Moyes will play senior players who are totally out of form ahead of hungry youngsters, Moyes will play senior players out of position before he'll consider playing a youngster. It does my head in.


Completely agree dude. As mentioned later there were times that Duffy could have had a look in when we had like 1 CB? Coleman could have started more, but Hibbert was fit (irrelevant on form) ;) If i remember rightly Rooney was our only striking subsitute in 'that' game against Arsenal and Radzinski was hobbling so was brought on in 'last option' circumstances.

I dont think Moyes trusts youth enough but at the same time i think he's protecting them, similar to what TC said, too much, too early can have a negative affect especially if they make a mistake or put a poor shift in, the crowd will get on their back and pressure could mount. Coleman was lucky, people were sympathetic for him in Lisbon but he came out strong in the following game.
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Posted 24 Jan 2010 - 12:50

;)

Rooney,Rodwell, Vaughan, Anichebe, Coleman, Duffy, Osman,Hibbert, Baxter, Wallace, Fellaini, Jo, Gosling, Fernandes, no your right Moyse just point blank refuses to give youngsters a go!


Dunc, the ones highlighted were bought in as First teamers because they were already good enough or better than what we had. SO those i disagree with but i understand what you mean with the others.
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#11 Bailey

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Posted 24 Jan 2010 - 17:55

Read my post again.

The majority of the time he will only give them a go if there is no other option. Rodwell wouldn't have had the amount of games he had if Moyes had any other player he could have played there.

Christ, Duffy doesn't even get ahead of Hibbert and Neville to play. Hence what I said in my first post in that he'll play players totally out of position rather than play youngsters.

It does my head in because some of these youngsters, i.e. Duffy, Coleman, Vaughan, are so much better than the odd minute here or there. They would play out of their skins and probably show up a few of our senior players, especially recently.


You are right in what you say but what Moyes does say is that youngsters will get a chance because we dont have a very big squad. He doesnt say you will get a chance if you do well in training etc, he is basically saying because we cant afford enough decent players we will buy you on the cheap and if there happens to be major injury crisis in your position, you might get a game as long as its a position Neville, Osman, Cahill or Hibbert cant play...
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#12 duncanmckenzieismagic

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Posted 24 Jan 2010 - 18:39

Read my post again.

The majority of the time he will only give them a go if there is no other option. Rodwell wouldn't have had the amount of games he had if Moyes had any other player he could have played there.

Christ, Duffy doesn't even get ahead of Hibbert and Neville to play. Hence what I said in my first post in that he'll play players totally out of position rather than play youngsters.

It does my head in because some of these youngsters, i.e. Duffy, Coleman, Vaughan, are so much better than the odd minute here or there. They would play out of their skins and probably show up a few of our senior players, especially recently.



I dont need to I got your point the first time and I still disagree with you.

Moyse has proved that if a player is good enough then he will play him. Rooney was a regular, Hibbert and Osman are regulars Anichebe has had plenty of games Rodwell got plenty of games last season when we had a fully fit squad


Moyes see the players every day in training and if he feels that they are not quite ready then I am inclined to beleive him


Some Everton fans are extremely fickle and turn on our own players very quickly especially lads who have come through the ranks so I think Moyse is right to protect them

Edited by duncanmckenzieismagic, 24 Jan 2010 - 18:42.

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Posted 24 Jan 2010 - 18:45

Osman and Hibbert are both 28, they're not youngsters any more (they didn't make their debuts until they were 21 anyway, Osman was on loan at Carlisle to get him experience at 20). Rooney made his debut out of necessity too, I remember Walter Smith wanting to play him but couldn't because he was still a schoolboy.

It's different throwing an attacking player in anyway - more pressure on defensive players. I think it's one of the reasons Rodwell plays in midfield, it's said he'll move back into defence when he's older.
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