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#41 StevO

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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 10:36

how can wigan not be compared? im not talkin about success, but in my honest opinion i believe as a club and as a business wigan are more ambitious than us.

dont get me wrong im happy with taking the time to grow. but the fact is we have shrunk so much compared to how big we once were. just look at the many mockories (spellin?) over the past 20 years, from final day escapes to being robbed of the most potentially brilliant prospect we have ever had. mismanagement has led to the ambition of a once great club falling seriously below par
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 10:45

how can wigan not be compared? im not talkin about success, but in my honest opinion i believe as a club and as a business wigan are more ambitious than us.

dont get me wrong im happy with taking the time to grow. but the fact is we have shrunk so much compared to how big we once were. just look at the many mockories (spellin?) over the past 20 years, from final day escapes to being robbed of the most potentially brilliant prospect we have ever had. mismanagement has led to the ambition of a once great club falling seriously below par

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wIGAN CANT BE COMPARED BECAUSE THEY CAN HAVE MORE AMBITION THAN EVERYONE IN THE LEAGUE THE JUST WONT HAVE THE PULLING POWER TO MAKE TOP SIGNINGS UNTIL THEY BED IN AND PROVE THEY CAN SURVIVE THE SECCOND SEASON.

Sorry about the caps.

Yes i agree we have fell from greatness but what i dont understand is how us finaly doing something about it can be classed as having "no ambition" surely making moves to rectify the situation is having ambition! More ambition than i have seen at Everton since i started going the match.

What would prove ambition to you rite now?
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#43 StevO

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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 10:48

im not sayin no ambition, im just sayin we short on a bit of it right now
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 11:07

im not sayin no ambition, im just sayin we short on a bit of it right now

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Short compared to the mid 80's? or the mid 90's? or early 21st century?

My point is we have been at a lower point for the past 20 years and now we are actually starting to look like we want to change & build and in my opinion we are showing ambition to move out of the bottom half which surely has to be the first step!

How can we be showing no ambition when we are trying to finalise a new stadium, buying players like Yobo, Arteta, Cahill & AJ. Being in the chase for Lesscott, Huth and who knows who else?

Doese everyone who thinks we are showing no ambition expect us to go from relagation fodder in massive debt with the oldest shittest squad in the league to champrionship contenders in a couple of years?

Do you think if we changed out aim from UEFA qualification to league champions we would just achieve it because we were more ambitious?
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 11:09

"F@CK OFF vdm and valente i hope you both get the bird flu."

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If you just sit back, take a minute, and look at this in an unbiased way, I dont think there is a player in our squad who wouldnt up and leave if Chelsea, Man U or Arsenal came knocking on the Door.
AJ, Arteta, Beattie, Cahill, all would be drawn to the better Lifestyle that comes with the bigger salaries, and the celebrity hype that comes with playing for a high profile team. TV Coverage, Euro cups, and Champs League.

So as long as i think they are giving their all while they ARE here, they will get my support, cos when push comes to shove we all want to better ourselves.


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...................................its a dead end job. :)
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#46 StevO

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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 11:09

its not worth mentioning the stadium, that had been a fiasco for years!

i understand what your saying, we are showing more ambition than in previous years, but i still think we are quite far from an ambitious club right now
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 11:11

"F@CK OFF vdm and valente i hope you both get the bird flu."

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If you just sit back, take a minute, and look at this in an unbiased way, I dont think there is a player in our squad who wouldnt up and leave if Chelsea, Man U or Arsenal came knocking on the Door.   
AJ, Arteta, Beattie, Cahill, all would be drawn to the better Lifestyle that comes with the bigger salaries, and the celebrity hype that comes with playing for a high profile team. TV Coverage, Euro cups, and Champs League.

So as long as i think they are giving their all while they ARE here, they will get my support, cos when push comes to shove we all want to better ourselves.
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PS.... my Dad once told me never to get a job as an undertaker....................

...................................its a dead end job. :)

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good post
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 11:27

I completely agree with Mr Fish I think we've reached a real turning point in the clubs recent history and we do have ambition our quick movement in the transfer windows proved that
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 11:27

its not worth mentioning the stadium, that had been a fiasco for years!

i understand what your saying, we are showing more ambition than in previous years, but i still think we are quite far from an ambitious club right now

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The stadium is a different animal now than it was then, it was johnsons dream, became a multi purpose arena and has now been simplified back to a football stadium which IMO shows ambition to actually get it off the ground rather than big plans no action.

You are exactly right regarding us not being one of the most ambitious clubs rite now but the last time someone tried to take massive steps they ended up in the seccond devision without any silverware! Ask a Leeds fan if they will ever demand massive steps again and i bet they will all tell you that season in europe was not worth the destruction afterwards.

I agree with your sentiment Steve but i'm a firm believer in setting obtainable goals and building up slowly. Anyway mate lets agree to disagree and hope we continue in the right direction whatever the speed. :D
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 12:09

I completely agree with Mr Fish I think we've reached a real turning point in the clubs recent history and we do have ambition our quick movement in the transfer windows proved that

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you cant call our fast transfers a turning point imo

fish - i dont disagree with you, i just have a different view on it mate
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#51 Romey 1878

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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 12:16

Its a turning point because Everton and Moyes have realised one of their mistakes and are signing players early
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 12:18

you cant call our fast transfers a turning point imo

fish - i dont disagree with you, i just have a different view on it mate

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They are a sign of a change cos every other season we've ended up with whats left on the last day but for once the board have put their money up and we've got who we've wanted
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 12:21

last season anybody? yes we signed some players late on, but dont forget how many players we got in early, and they were players we wanted! Davies and Kroldrup anyone?

im just saying we have a far way to go before Valente's comments are unjustified
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 12:28

in fairness how on earth newcastle spend so for so little is beyond me
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 12:46

One thing I have noticed over the last few days about the 5 people being linked away is.

VDM - Wants to leave
Valente - Wants to leave
McFadden - Rejected offer and going to be sold
Naysmith - Want to sell to get money
Yobo - Won't sign new deal

Valente came out straight away and said that he did not say it, Mcfadden agent has said today that he has not rejected offer and expect to have it completed soon.

VDM has had time to say he was mis quoted and has not. Nothing has been said about Naysmith.

Yobo was a little while again when saying that deal was on table and he would think about it.

I think that Valente and MCFadden will stay.

VDM will go along with Naysmith if we can get a decent off for both of them.

I think that if Weir signs a new deal Yobo will go.
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:00

good post Adam. I was just thinking about the Yobo situation and totally agree that he is waiting to see what Weir does. I believe if Weir goes Joey will stay as he must think Weir will be first choice next season if he stays
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#57 StevO

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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:09

fuck off weir, we want yobo!
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:21

fuck off weir, we want yobo!

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Gota agree with that.

Moyes should be reasuring Joey he is our first choice, he's too good to loose IMO.
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:24

At the moment WEIR is pondering whether to sign another contract or go somewhere else,
and YOBO wont sign cos he doesnt know if Weir is going or staying

The manager should tell Weir that he is no longer in his plans, cos he intends to start with Yobo and Lescott, also needs to tell joey that he will be 1st choice.

That would insure that all parties know where they stand so we can move on.

FFS ITS LIKE RUNNING A KINDERGARTEN. big kids the lot of them, come on Moysey, lets get it sorted and move on.

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edit for a PS................JUST BEAT ME TO IT GOLDY.

Edited by toffeelicker, 13 Jun 2006 - 13:26.

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#60 Romey 1878

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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:24

fuck off weir, we want yobo!

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Agreed, i would rather have the younger player who has more potential. Youve had your day Weir, move over.
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:24

see fish, we do agree! ;)
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:30

see fish, we do agree!  ;)

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#63 Romey 1878

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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:33

StevO your signatures well good so i went on the website and got my own
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:36

might be ok if we could see it.
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:37

Why cant you see it though? I got it from the same place as StevO's and you can see his :blink:
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:41

I can see it!
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:43

It must just be you licker
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:44

it was too dark when i first saw it, looks as if someones put the light on now.
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:45

Thats because i changed it
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 13:54

I'm not sure i want to feel you mark but whatever floats your boat B)
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 14:00

i have no ambition? im just being real.... if u think we are better than any of ; chelsea, arsenal, man u, liverpool, spurs and newcastle, then lay off the crack

and as for bburn and bolton, boltaon have been mroe consistant than us last few years, blackburn have shown that they are more creative and dangerous, whislt having a tight defence ... so we've signed 2 players, big deal, they may be good but we still have a way to go

it isn't a lack of ambition its stating the obvious
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 14:23

i have no ambition? im just being real.... if u think we are better than any of ; chelsea, arsenal, man u, liverpool, spurs and newcastle, then lay off the crack

and as for bburn and bolton, boltaon have been mroe consistant than us last few years, blackburn have shown that they are more creative and dangerous, whislt having a tight defence  ... so we've signed 2 players, big deal, they may be good but we still have a way to go

it isn't a lack of ambition its stating the obvious

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Not another one! :rolleyes:

Seccond time i'v asked this today and i got no answer the first time but here goes, What would show you we had ambition by the time the season starts?
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 14:26

i have no ambition? im just being real.... if u think we are better than any of ; chelsea, arsenal, man u, liverpool, spurs and newcastle, then lay off the crack

and as for bburn and bolton, boltaon have been mroe consistant than us last few years, blackburn have shown that they are more creative and dangerous, whislt having a tight defence  ... so we've signed 2 players, big deal, they may be good but we still have a way to go

it isn't a lack of ambition its stating the obvious

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How the fuck can put Newcastle in that list? Fair enough the rest, but i never said we were as good as the rest. Anyway Bolton deifnitely lacked ambition, up until this season theyve been getting frees and loans and thats it - thats hardly ambition
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 14:36

Mark - i am the king of sigs
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 14:52

It seems so
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 15:55

Not really, my sig says it all.
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#77 Ian

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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 15:58

To be honest lads, MINE is the best, not biast at all by the way :D :D

I think i might get a new one done, not sure yet though :)
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 16:02

Actually Ian........ i do think thats a good one.
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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 16:03

thankyou licker, you're the man

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Posted 13 Jun 2006 - 16:54

you're all dirty liars!
i am the king of sigs! FACT!
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