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#1 java2001e

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Posted 08 Jul 2006 - 08:38

for the last couple of seasons, even when we finished fourth i think, we had a negative goal difference.

will aj and bt upfront, and lescott and howard at the back fix this embarrassing problem?

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Posted 08 Jul 2006 - 08:55

We have got to hope so, think and hope VDM will play a key role this season and Yobo and Lescott make a better partnership than stubbs and weir prospect of Beattie and AJ upfront has to. give us optamism
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Posted 08 Jul 2006 - 09:43

the celtic game may prove that we will mean business next season. thats of course if we thrash em.

if we can field a strongest side against celtic and athletic bilbao and win. i think we will all be smiling come watford.
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Posted 08 Jul 2006 - 10:03

nah were gonna be in -1
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Posted 08 Jul 2006 - 11:13

i defently think we will end up in + figures, if we dnt then theres something wrong...
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Posted 08 Jul 2006 - 16:22

erm its close to call,

you can argue that we have more attacking options, but will be play to them, moyes likes his defensive play, and our midfield isn't defensively good enough i don't think, we'll still be under a lot of pressure and probably conceed as many as we score, don't expect a change in 1-0 wins and the odd heavy loss
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Posted 08 Jul 2006 - 16:45

Hopefully Howard will do what we all know he is capable of, 20 - 25 clean sheets in a season would be bloody marvelous.

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Posted 08 Jul 2006 - 17:52

^ with out team? unlikely
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Posted 08 Jul 2006 - 20:18

yea very unliky, i would hope for 15 clean sheets and i would be happy
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Posted 08 Jul 2006 - 20:21

^ with out team? unlikely

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With our improved defence yes, with the opposition having their hands full with our improved attack yes.
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Posted 08 Jul 2006 - 20:21

^ with out team? unlikely

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Why not, a new central defense partnership, a jazzed up attack. If you can keep a clean sheet and sneak a cheeky goal, thats how we nearly got into the Champs League.

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Posted 08 Jul 2006 - 20:22

Why not, a new central defense partnership, a jazzed up attack. If you can keep a clean sheet and sneak a cheeky goal, thats how we nearly got into the Champs League.

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:lol:

I got there first Mac
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Posted 08 Jul 2006 - 20:24

I paraphrased you Mark. :o

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Posted 08 Jul 2006 - 20:25

All i can say is great minds
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Posted 09 Jul 2006 - 10:47

well for starters i can see any prem defense wanting to play against a front 2 of AJ and BT

and with lots of teams rotating there strikers i believe they will start every game barring injury (touch wood) and should hopefully have a good partnership

at the back love hibbo he is great but would mind a bit of world class defending at right back to be honest but i hope he has a great season again

LES and JOEY as 2 centre halves apart from the the couple of top clubs i cant think of a good central defensive pairing

finally midfield over run with players (ok maybe not on the left)

LM arteta/killa/mcfadden/VDM/neville (nev if were desperate)

RM ossie/arteta/VDM/mcfadden/davies

CM arteta/cahill/neville/davies/ossie/carsley


so dont think we will be to shabby so should concede less and hopefully score more

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Posted 09 Jul 2006 - 12:21

quote=john_webby,Jul 9 2006, 10:47 AM]

finally midfield over run with players (ok maybe not on the left)

LM arteta/killa/mcfadden/VDM/neville (nev if were desperate)

RM ossie/arteta/VDM/mcfadden/davies

CM arteta/cahill/neville/davies/ossie/carsley
so dont think we will be to shabby so should concede less and hopefully score more

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yeah, the midfield is well populated. have to wonder why we bought so many when a striker was so obviously needed?

carsley is good in midfield but will he get a game nowadays?

weve gotta few youngsters in the first team squad now, like vaughn, anichebe, boyle and hughes. it will be interesting to see if they get much action.

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Posted 09 Jul 2006 - 12:31

I think Moyes thought we needed a midfield to protect the defence before strikers
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Posted 09 Jul 2006 - 21:49

possibly, dont conceed, dont lose!
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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 02:07

good god , how bias are msot of you

if you think 20 Clean sheets is a realistic aim at Everton ur inasane

were a decent team, nothing special we wont be top 6 , get realistic ffs
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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 09:14

we can hold on to some blind optimism even if you cant
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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 09:24

good god , how bias are msot of you

if you think 20 Clean sheets is a realistic aim at Everton ur inasane

were a decent team, nothing special we wont be top 6 , get realistic ffs

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Do you ever have anything positive to say about the club you say you support? If we are that shit and you feel the need to put us down with every post why bother calling yourself an Evertonian?
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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 14:58

same old same old, its not putting down ffs its called being realistic, we are not world beaters... its not bloody rocket science, if anything my view takes soem pressure away, rather than you lot expecting 20 clean sheets ffs, get real
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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 15:05

^ with out team? unlikely

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Well its got to be better than with Wright in the nets hasn't it?
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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 15:10

^yes it has, but that won't stop us getting outplayed a lot of the time, the midfield isn't difference, theres no1 protecting the defence
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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 15:30

^yes it has, but that won't stop us getting outplayed a lot of the time, the midfield isn't difference, theres no1 protecting the defence

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Outplayed?

Our midfield was the only shining light throughout last season, dont forget it was the same midfield that got us 4th in the league the season before!

Our weakness last year was a dodgey keeper & 2 aging centre backs past their best. Yes we need a holding midfielder to help us dig in but we have a better midfield that the group of teams who finished above us last year.
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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 16:46

midfield is highly overrated, everytiem i saw us the mid was non existant, we played long balls from the back a lto of the tiem because otr midfield has no skill, bar arteta

thank you for reminding me of the fortunate 4th palce finish, incidently ur forgetting carsley and gravesen, so no it isn't the same midfield, at all

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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 17:25

how many games did you actually see last season?
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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 17:33

probs the 4-0 thrasings.
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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 17:39

That's what my post was about, 20 clean sheets would be nice, and with Howard and a new, potentially strong central defensive partnership, why shouldn't people hope.

C'mon Craccer, we are Evertonians, and hope is our credo.

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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 17:43

im hopeful, yet realistic

and i saw qutie a lot, all the tv games, and i came back from leeds to watch a fair few home games, aswell as ones i found on the net too , withotu arteta the midifled is useless
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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 17:45

you can not use TV games to judge the side. there is alot more to how they play than the director of sky sports shows you! yes we do miss Arteta, but if you saw what we all see then you might just give Phil Neviile the credit he more than deserves!
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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 18:32

you can not use TV games to judge the side. there is alot more to how they play than the director of sky sports shows you! yes we do miss Arteta, but if you saw what we all see then you might just give Phil Neviile the credit he more than deserves!

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Well said that man, and that is why Steptoe should have the captaincy.

As for realism, I had enough of that last season mate. :D

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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 19:37

how can you miss anythin ona live game of footy, all it is is cameras and football

am not even gonna argue, but we're nto as good as everyone is making out.... we're a team in transition, 20 clean sheets isn't realistic

and we do get outplayed a lot, and i don't care what anyoen says, our midfield is overrated, arteta is a good player, the rest are average
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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 19:40

ok people can we just end this.

i disagree with what craccer is saying. i think our midfield is fine. but your not gonna change his decision even if you say summit extraordinary.

craccer thinks the midfield is crap (bar arteta) most of us think the midfield is fine. just end it here
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Posted 10 Jul 2006 - 19:43

not crap, just overrated ... cahill is useful, but as an attacking players hes not that great allround, vdm is overweight and injury prone, kilbane is bollocks, osman is a bench player, davies was useless (although i think hell be better), and neville is weak ....

but i agree to end it .... i personally think defence is our strongest part of the team
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Posted 11 Jul 2006 - 11:58

you can not use TV games to judge the side.


not sure thats right. sometimes think you get a better overall view on tv than you do live.

and the closeups and playbacks are fantastic.

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Posted 11 Jul 2006 - 12:14

you get the up close and replays at the game too, but you see far more of the action, and what players put into the game of the ball too
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Posted 11 Jul 2006 - 12:19

midfield is highly overrated, everytiem i saw us the mid was non existant, we played long balls from the back a lto of the tiem because otr midfield has no skill, bar arteta

thank you for reminding me of the fortunate 4th palce finish, incidently ur forgetting carsley and gravesen, so no it isn't the same midfield, at all

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Your full of shit Gravesen was sold mid way through the season and Carsley is still at the club so both are not forgotten, remember we were talking about how this comming season would go so in theory Carsley could play the whole season.

The basis of your whole theory is that our midfield is not good enough yes our holding player was injured for the whole of last season and Moyes has chosen to spend the money we have now on a striker.

Let me ask you a question. If we spent the money on a holding midfielder and a left winger but didnt score many goals would you be happy?

You dont win football matches without scoring and unfortunatly we dont have the money to bring in 4 or 5 players. I think Moyes has made the correct decisions, we have a long way still to go but today more than anytime in the last 10 years i am optimistic and so are many blues!

Whats your solution knowing our financial situation?

Another point that needs hammering home to people like you was we didnt even get out of bed for the first half of tlast season and still finished 3 or 4 wins behind Europe!

Fuckin grumpy bastard, i'v got a uncle like you and it pisses me off. There is an age gap within Evertonians those who saw us win the league an those of us who were kids or not born when we did. The older ones expect us to be like Man u attracting the best players and winning silverwear the younger ones accept our club was decimated and it takes time to build that back up. Wake up we are no longer the "mersey millionairs" and in all honesty we were never a dominant force at any point in our history anyway!
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Posted 11 Jul 2006 - 16:31

im 20 you retard, im just not blidned, you talk about expectation of older people says you mr 20 clean sheets is realistic aim, get fucking real


do you knwo much abotu football at all, to answer your question yes id ratehr have had mids, reason being you don't fuckign score if you don't create.... pelnty of games i saw last season we created nothing, spurs was a good example, at home not one shot on target, i can onyl remember 1 effrot all game, you think an 8 mil forward will change that ? that he will just come in and bring 20+ goals, from a midfield that lacks creativity? get real, ill bet you myself that that doesn't happen and that we don't get 20 clean sheets

and so what if tommy g left half way thru the season, when he left we started to slip down a bit and struggle a lot more... WE MISSED HIS CREATIVITY, and carsley won't play becausen o longer is he not first choice anymore but his injury is likely to be the end of the carsley we knew, he doesn't look the same player

i don't give a shit your points are pathetic, put all tht pressure on our team, we'll see at the end of the season, and im VERY confident ill be right, because its called being REALISTIC, dammit your a waste of my time
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Posted 11 Jul 2006 - 16:51

im 20 you retard, im just not blidned, you talk about expectation of older people says you mr 20 clean sheets is realistic aim, get fucking real
do you knwo much abotu football at all, to answer your question yes id ratehr have had mids, reason being you don't fuckign score if you don't create.... pelnty of games i saw last season we created nothing, spurs was a good example, at home not one shot on target, i can onyl remember 1 effrot all game, you think an 8 mil forward will change that ? that he will just come in and bring 20+ goals, from a midfield that lacks creativity? get real, ill bet you myself that that doesn't happen and that we don't get 20 clean sheets

and so what if tommy g left half way thru the season, when he left we started to slip down a bit and struggle a lot more... WE MISSED HIS CREATIVITY, and carsley won't play becausen o longer is he not first choice anymore but his injury is likely to be the end of the carsley we knew, he doesn't look the same player

i don't give a shit your points are pathetic, put all tht pressure on our team, we'll see at the end of the season,  and im VERY confident ill be right, because its called being REALISTIC, dammit your a waste of my time

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Firstly i know your 20ish cos your in uni

Seccondly i never said 20 clean sheats was realistic at all

Thirdly i'm not a retard :rolleyes:

If we had infinite cash i would agree with you that the midfield needs both strengthening and a bit of creativity injected into it, along with a few decent players to sit on the bench giving us options.

BUT OPEN YOUR EYES

We were close to financial ruin 10 years ago and we aint got that sort of money. I watched every home game last season from the Gwladys Street like i have for the past 15 years or so and i along with every other Evertonian inside Goodison will tell you the same. Our Priority was a centre half then we needed to address the situation which is what Moyes did. I am telling you and all the other doubters that weather you like or dislike our midfield in the past 2 years we have created more scoring opportunities than in any of the previous 13 years i'v been going.

So the natural choice when faced with buying a midfielder or a striker with the remaining cash would always be a striker!

Its fookin useless creating chances and not putting them away, this season we will create the same chances as last year but maybe convert a few more of them. Do you get the point i'm making? Even with our "overrated" midfield last term we made more chances than our strikeforce could deal with!

Come January or next summer our emphisis is going to be a keeper depending on the Howard situation and how the young lads do. Providing we keep our defence & strikers together then and only then will midfield players become a priority.

Your taking the piss if you think a midfield with a solid holding player, 2 good wide players & Arteta pulling the strings would be any good feeding McFadden and with Stubbs & Yobbo behind them!

again OPEN YOUR EYES
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