MikeO Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Saddens me deeply this. Shows (as so often) that money is no guarantee of happiness; hope he gets the care he needs soon. Luckily he won't have to rely on the NHS or he'd be on a two year odd waiting list, tories have decimated mental health care. Not wishing to be overly political, that's for other threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 He wears our shirt. ATB Aaron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Wow. This came out of nowhere. Get well soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted May 2, 2017 Report Share Posted May 2, 2017 Wishing him a speedy recovery xx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Echo Mike's post, all the best Aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Come on Aaron, we're all behind you and hoping you get through this. I'm sure you will be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hafnia Posted May 3, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 (edited) I had a bad episode when 27... too much drinking, experimenting with recreational drugs and i was exhausted. My brain chemistry went up the wall and I felt awful. Fortunately my family were able to see this and I got help. Nothing more than a long chat with a psychiatrist who advised me that I was running on empty with my neurotransmitters all over the show due to the stimulants/depressants. He helped me to understand times when I was depressed but didn't know it... how to rationalise thoughts etc. He told me that I had already learned coping mechanisms and to put them in place. 6 months of antidepressants (which have their place but switched me off)... exercise, fish oils, vitamin b, quality sleep, support of my family, not touching a certain glamourised drug and cutting down drink helped. I was at an age that seems to be common for men to have an episode of depression. It is very common. The fact is - I like many men have pre disposition to depression. It's important that anyone who reads this "talks to someone" if they ever get low.... I'm a strong person and all that stuff..... it doesn't matter. Depression is a real illness and when it hits it hits hard. It's a lonely place and people need to be able to talk to beat this stigma. Wanted to share this in case anyone who reads this struggles themselves.... it's not a sign of weakness.... it's a sign you've been too strong for too long. Edited May 3, 2017 by Hafnia Matt, Quinn31, nyblue23 and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aaron-lennon-mental-health-everton-12978035 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Aw that's awful to hear. Ditto Mike's words really, hope you get the help you need man! Take care of yourself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rusty747 Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Hang in there Aaron. You have a massive blue family who are rooting for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Hope he gets the help he needs and comes back better than ever. The Daily Hate's tweet sums up what is wrong with society these days: https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/859661116032655360 So because he's rich he shouldn't be suffering from mental illness? Deplorable rag. I really don't understand what his wage has to do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Hope he gets the help he needs and comes back better than ever. The Daily Hate's tweet sums up what is wrong with society these days: https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/859661116032655360 So because he's rich he shouldn't be suffering from mental illness? Deplorable rag. I really don't understand what his wage has to do with it? It seems it's been deleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markjazzbassist Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Sorry to hear. I did my undergraduate degree in psychology. I hope he gets the help he needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 It seems it's been deleted. They had to, the backlash was strong. This was a good read about it: http://www.football365.com/news/mediawatch-aaron-lennon-daily-mail-and-daily-mirror MikeO and Romey 1878 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 They had to, the backlash was strong. This was a good read about it: http://www.football365.com/news/mediawatch-aaron-lennon-daily-mail-and-daily-mirror That's a great response. Obviously writers who see the bigger picture here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 worrying time for him, wish he all the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnh Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 He's a Leeds lad who played for my old club (Yorkshire Amateur) as a junior. Wish him all the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Like everyone else I hope he gets better soon, so glad there has been such a positive response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 3, 2017 Report Share Posted May 3, 2017 Not to just pick out your post Mike, but in terms of response times to mental illness NHS are rapid. Still short on funds but extremely quick. Once a patient has been sectioned they are dealt with immediately, if not sectioned but refered they should be dealt with in 24 hours. Fortunately in this case Aaron was dealt with by NHS staff on the evening of the incident as the private hospital only takes private paying customer from Monday to Friday 9 to 5. The NHS pick up the slack in between. Aaron is in good hands, hopefully he's feeing like his old self in the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Not to just pick out your post Mike, but in terms of response times to mental illness NHS are rapid. Still short on funds but extremely quick. Once a patient has been sectioned they are dealt with immediately, if not sectioned but refered they should be dealt with in 24 hours. Fortunately in this case Aaron was dealt with by NHS staff on the evening of the incident as the private hospital only takes private paying customer from Monday to Friday 9 to 5. The NHS pick up the slack in between. Aaron is in good hands, hopefully he's feeing like his old self in the near future. I think the problem is Steve... those who are showing the earlier signs of stress "not urgent". Huge waiting lists. People are having to be too strong for too long and then the eventual "break" happens. A huge amount of money needs investing. Alcohol rehabilitation services are still stuck in the dark ages. There is actually a cure/method out there and it's not being utilised unless people find it and purchase the tablets themselves in most cases. Google "the Sinclair method"... It's not just alcohol services - GP's are too quick to put a patient on a cheap broad spectrum antidepressant when there are many types out there that may be right for the patient but cost more than The generic ones. Lennon will hopefully get the right level of care now that he has hit rock bottom. People shouldn't need to get that bad.... by all accounts his mental health was flagged as an issue well over a month ago. The frank Bruno breakdown was an example of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Not to just pick out your post Mike, but in terms of response times to mental illness NHS are rapid. Still short on funds but extremely quick. Once a patient has been sectioned they are dealt with immediately, if not sectioned but refered they should be dealt with in 24 hours. Fortunately in this case Aaron was dealt with by NHS staff on the evening of the incident as the private hospital only takes private paying customer from Monday to Friday 9 to 5. The NHS pick up the slack in between. Aaron is in good hands, hopefully he's feeing like his old self in the near future. In extreme cases yes; we had someone standing on a motorway bridge near us a while back (wrong side of the barrier) and the M5 was closed and the response was immediate. But you've got to be really ill or in imminently life threatening crisis to get that attention. If you are, for example, self harming with a blade but not digging quite deep enough yet you've got no chance at all of being seen quickly. Agree with Haf on the alcohol/addiction point as well, they also go hand in hand with mental health problems in many cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) It might be different in different boroughs, but I know in Manchester and North Wales once you've asked for help, even in the mild cases, you don't go on a waiting list. You are seen very quickly. The NHS has improved massively in response times with mental health, even with budget cuts. The tough part is getting people to ask for help, once you ask it's within a couple of days you will have an assessment and your treatment will begin. Now mental illness is being treated in he same way as physical illness the improvements over the last five years have been massive. I can only assume while there is so much stigma still around it even people who have had excellent treatment in a very short space of time do not tell anyone. Also, they don't measure how deep someone is cutting, any cut counts. The problem is people hiding the cut rather than asking for support. Many parents not knowing what to do when a child self harms will tell them to get a grip, or give them a smack around the head, rather than talk to them and get help. Haf I agree on your GP comments. They will give anti depressants left right and centre, if you speak to a mental health worker they will tell anyone to tell their GP they don't want tablets they want treatment. The GPs are in the dark ages, they aren't specialists. You trap a nerve they give you pain killers, you could go to an osteopath and they will release the nerve rather than just manage the pain. I've had a GP tell me I've trapped a nerve in my spine and that I shouldn't drive for a month, explained that to the owner of the gym I go to and he gave me a massage and found the nerve was trapped in my hip. Released it and within two days I had no pain. Education is needed on both sides. Alcohol and any addiction is now handled by mental health workers, not just doctors. Again the help is there, but it has to be asked for. I've heard about that stuff Haf mentioned, as we know it takes a long time for these things to catch up in health services. That's why testing normally takes years as they authorise are too scared of being sued rather than giving the help. Edited May 4, 2017 by StevO Matt and Lowensda 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 It might be different in different boroughs, but I know in Manchester and North Wales once you've asked for help, even in the mild cases, you don't go on a waiting list. You are seen very quickly. The NHS has improved massively in response times with mental health, even with budget cuts. The tough part is getting people to ask for help, once you ask it's within a couple of days you will have an assessment and your treatment will begin. Now mental illness is being treated in he same way as physical illness the improvements over the last five years have been massive. I can only assume while there is so much stigma still around it even people who have had excellent treatment in a very short space of time do not tell anyone. Also, they don't measure how deep someone is cutting, any cut counts. That's a million light years away from what it's like down here Ste and I speak from personal experience. Person close to me was/is/has been on and off for years self harming but it wasn't deemed serious enough even though no professional has ever seen the depth of cut because the person in question refused to show them the scars/cuts, know that for a fact because I was at every appointment. No one-on-one therapy available unless you go on the waiting list and the quoted wait time was two years, only thing on offer was a non-medically qualified person to visit once a fortnight for a "chat". Mental illness treated the same as physical? Nearly fell off my chair laughing. When I had the little lump in my neck a few years back my GP said, "Probably nothing but just to be on the safe side..." the NHS went turbocharged and my feet didn't touch the ground for months. Both conditions could be potentially fatal but the response was night and day. Maybe it's regional as you say but that's certainly the reality of it down here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 That's fair enough Mike. I only know about how it works up here because Mrs Stevo is heavily involved and I hear a lot about it and have heard the changes as and when they happened. A guy who works for me tried to take his own life in North Wales a year ago at Christmas and I was involved with his recovery team, so I've seen things with them. Maybe the regional variance is a lot bigger than I thought, but response times in the two places I've witnessed have been great. As you know better than anyone, when things are taken seriously treatment can be , thankfully, a whirlwind. Still much more work to do across the board though. Anyway, feel like I've side tracked this thread. It's a long road for Aaron from here, wish him nothing but the best to sort his health out. Much more important than his day job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) I saw Andy Johnson has had over 100k retweets after he said he would donate 10p for every retweet to a mental health charity.I can't see him donating >£1m. Edited May 4, 2017 by Louis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) I saw Andy Johnson has had over 100k retweets after he said he would donate 10p for every retweet to a mental health charity. I can't see him donating >£1m. He's only going to donate £10,000 with those numbers? He's need 10 millions retweets to get anywhere near a £1m. Edited May 4, 2017 by Lowensda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Oh I've gone and done a Diane Abbot. I multiplied instead of dividing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 Oh I've gone and done a Diane Abbot. I multiplied instead of dividing. Mate.... Diane Abbot's had a nightmare week! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 He's only going to donate £10,000 with those numbers? He's need 10 millions retweets to get anywhere near a £1m. People on twitter still moaning he isn't doing enough, cant win with some people can you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted May 4, 2017 Report Share Posted May 4, 2017 People on twitter still moaning he isn't doing enough, cant win with some people can you. He doesn't have to do anything. You're right though, you can't win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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