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Saddens me deeply this. Shows (as so often) that money is no guarantee of happiness; hope he gets the care he needs soon. Luckily he won't have to rely on the NHS or he'd be on a two year odd waiting list, tories have decimated mental health care. Not wishing to be overly political, that's for other threads.

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Hope he gets the help he needs and comes back better than ever.

 

The Daily Hate's tweet sums up what is wrong with society these days: https://twitter.com/DailyMailUK/status/859661116032655360

 

So because he's rich he shouldn't be suffering from mental illness? Deplorable rag. I really don't understand what his wage has to do with it?

 

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Not to just pick out your post Mike, but in terms of response times to mental illness NHS are rapid. Still short on funds but extremely quick.

Once a patient has been sectioned they are dealt with immediately, if not sectioned but refered they should be dealt with in 24 hours.

Fortunately in this case Aaron was dealt with by NHS staff on the evening of the incident as the private hospital only takes private paying customer from Monday to Friday 9 to 5. The NHS pick up the slack in between.

 

Aaron is in good hands, hopefully he's feeing like his old self in the near future.

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Not to just pick out your post Mike, but in terms of response times to mental illness NHS are rapid. Still short on funds but extremely quick.

Once a patient has been sectioned they are dealt with immediately, if not sectioned but refered they should be dealt with in 24 hours.

Fortunately in this case Aaron was dealt with by NHS staff on the evening of the incident as the private hospital only takes private paying customer from Monday to Friday 9 to 5. The NHS pick up the slack in between.

 

Aaron is in good hands, hopefully he's feeing like his old self in the near future.

I think the problem is Steve... those who are showing the earlier signs of stress "not urgent". Huge waiting lists.

 

People are having to be too strong for too long and then the eventual "break" happens.

 

A huge amount of money needs investing. Alcohol rehabilitation services are still stuck in the dark ages. There is actually a cure/method out there and it's not being utilised unless people find it and purchase the tablets themselves in most cases. Google "the Sinclair method"...

 

It's not just alcohol services - GP's are too quick to put a patient on a cheap broad spectrum antidepressant when there are many types out there that may be right for the patient but cost more than The generic ones.

 

Lennon will hopefully get the right level of care now that he has hit rock bottom. People shouldn't need to get that bad.... by all accounts his mental health was flagged as an issue well over a month ago.

 

The frank Bruno breakdown was an example of that.

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Not to just pick out your post Mike, but in terms of response times to mental illness NHS are rapid. Still short on funds but extremely quick.

Once a patient has been sectioned they are dealt with immediately, if not sectioned but refered they should be dealt with in 24 hours.

Fortunately in this case Aaron was dealt with by NHS staff on the evening of the incident as the private hospital only takes private paying customer from Monday to Friday 9 to 5. The NHS pick up the slack in between.

 

Aaron is in good hands, hopefully he's feeing like his old self in the near future.

 

In extreme cases yes; we had someone standing on a motorway bridge near us a while back (wrong side of the barrier) and the M5 was closed and the response was immediate. But you've got to be really ill or in imminently life threatening crisis to get that attention. If you are, for example, self harming with a blade but not digging quite deep enough yet you've got no chance at all of being seen quickly. Agree with Haf on the alcohol/addiction point as well, they also go hand in hand with mental health problems in many cases.

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It might be different in different boroughs, but I know in Manchester and North Wales once you've asked for help, even in the mild cases, you don't go on a waiting list. You are seen very quickly. The NHS has improved massively in response times with mental health, even with budget cuts. The tough part is getting people to ask for help, once you ask it's within a couple of days you will have an assessment and your treatment will begin.

Now mental illness is being treated in he same way as physical illness the improvements over the last five years have been massive.

I can only assume while there is so much stigma still around it even people who have had excellent treatment in a very short space of time do not tell anyone.

 

Also, they don't measure how deep someone is cutting, any cut counts. The problem is people hiding the cut rather than asking for support. Many parents not knowing what to do when a child self harms will tell them to get a grip, or give them a smack around the head, rather than talk to them and get help.

 

Haf I agree on your GP comments. They will give anti depressants left right and centre, if you speak to a mental health worker they will tell anyone to tell their GP they don't want tablets they want treatment. The GPs are in the dark ages, they aren't specialists. You trap a nerve they give you pain killers, you could go to an osteopath and they will release the nerve rather than just manage the pain. I've had a GP tell me I've trapped a nerve in my spine and that I shouldn't drive for a month, explained that to the owner of the gym I go to and he gave me a massage and found the nerve was trapped in my hip. Released it and within two days I had no pain.

Education is needed on both sides.

 

Alcohol and any addiction is now handled by mental health workers, not just doctors. Again the help is there, but it has to be asked for. I've heard about that stuff Haf mentioned, as we know it takes a long time for these things to catch up in health services. That's why testing normally takes years as they authorise are too scared of being sued rather than giving the help.

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It might be different in different boroughs, but I know in Manchester and North Wales once you've asked for help, even in the mild cases, you don't go on a waiting list. You are seen very quickly. The NHS has improved massively in response times with mental health, even with budget cuts. The tough part is getting people to ask for help, once you ask it's within a couple of days you will have an assessment and your treatment will begin.

Now mental illness is being treated in he same way as physical illness the improvements over the last five years have been massive.

I can only assume while there is so much stigma still around it even people who have had excellent treatment in a very short space of time do not tell anyone.

 

Also, they don't measure how deep someone is cutting, any cut counts.

 

That's a million light years away from what it's like down here Ste and I speak from personal experience. Person close to me was/is/has been on and off for years self harming but it wasn't deemed serious enough even though no professional has ever seen the depth of cut because the person in question refused to show them the scars/cuts, know that for a fact because I was at every appointment. No one-on-one therapy available unless you go on the waiting list and the quoted wait time was two years, only thing on offer was a non-medically qualified person to visit once a fortnight for a "chat".

 

Mental illness treated the same as physical? Nearly fell off my chair laughing.

 

When I had the little lump in my neck a few years back my GP said, "Probably nothing but just to be on the safe side..." the NHS went turbocharged and my feet didn't touch the ground for months.

 

Both conditions could be potentially fatal but the response was night and day. Maybe it's regional as you say but that's certainly the reality of it down here.

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That's fair enough Mike. I only know about how it works up here because Mrs Stevo is heavily involved and I hear a lot about it and have heard the changes as and when they happened.

 

A guy who works for me tried to take his own life in North Wales a year ago at Christmas and I was involved with his recovery team, so I've seen things with them.

 

Maybe the regional variance is a lot bigger than I thought, but response times in the two places I've witnessed have been great.

 

As you know better than anyone, when things are taken seriously treatment can be , thankfully, a whirlwind. Still much more work to do across the board though.

 

Anyway, feel like I've side tracked this thread. It's a long road for Aaron from here, wish him nothing but the best to sort his health out. Much more important than his day job.

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I saw Andy Johnson has had over 100k retweets after he said he would donate 10p for every retweet to a mental health charity.

 

I can't see him donating >£1m. :rofl:

 

He's only going to donate £10,000 with those numbers?

 

He's need 10 millions retweets to get anywhere near a £1m.

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