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#81 Mac

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Posted 08 Jan 2007 - 19:55

Moyes is now in his 5th year at the helm, and let's look at his achievements.......

A Champions League qualifying position.

That's all, but look at older and more experience managers who haven't even come close to what he has done. I am not saying all is well in the Blue garden, far from it, but it is not even close to time to press the panic button.

This time last year, each of us would have given their left bollock to be in the league position we currently find ourselves in, fair enough the B'burn game was a nightmare, but remember this, at some point everyone wakes up from a nightmare.

Patience is a virtue, and there are none so patient as Evertonians.

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#82 sheedysheedysheedy

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Posted 08 Jan 2007 - 20:09

thank god this forum has some sanity left. on kipper they're talking as if we are bottom of the league with 1 game left.

yes i was pissed off as the next fan was. but i wouldnt go as far as saying all the stuff theyve been saying.

btw i will not join the anti moyes bandwagon. unless we dont win a game for the next 3 months then i prob will. but until then the team and moyes will get my support.

Thank you for some much needed common sense. Yes Moyes has been in charge for 5 years but in that time we've improved immensely. In the 5 years before his arrival we were fighting relegation for 4 of them remember??

And I don't accept this crap about taking us to the next level, we aint gonna break into the top four until a very very rich supersugar daddy turns up with very shallow pockets. Until then let's be thankful that we are at least in with a chance of finishing in the top 6, something we would have been ecstatic about 5 years ago.
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Posted 25 Jan 2007 - 02:11

Top 6? I would say that we are in the top 8 now and we are arguably the biggest club outside of the top 4. Other candidates include Aston Villa and Newcastle. I do not include Spurs because they only receive such good publicity because a lot of supporters work on fleet street and its a london based club so easier (in theory) to attract players.
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Posted 25 Jan 2007 - 08:52

Top 6 or top 8 Ill be happy with Either

People have such short memories as Sheedy and the bluenose elude to above
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Posted 30 Jan 2007 - 17:12

There is room for improvment,but things could and have been worse.We are sitting pretty in 7th .If we have a good run we may well finish 5th,its only Pompy and Bolton for fcuk sake.
Moyes has done a fine job.If I had ten bob for everyone that talks a good game then I´d have a lot of bobs!Moyes is the real deal!GET OFF HIS BACK!
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Posted 30 Jan 2007 - 17:20

I'm a fan but I think the players we have and the performances we put in could yield so much more with a little bit more know how and a bigger set of balls!
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Posted 30 Jan 2007 - 17:31

You could say that.But if we´d of got the half the pen shouts we were due,and take off the offside goals against us we´d be in 5th now.If we stay strong at home,and a bit more effort away.(Like playing the whole 90 mins instead of 45.)We could easy make uefa.
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Posted 30 Jan 2007 - 18:04

you say its only bolton n pompey...they're both better than us... and although we haven't got as amny points as we should moyes can be blamed for the loss of many points due to poor decisions and team selectiosn and disfraceful match tactics
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Posted 30 Jan 2007 - 20:07

keep the faith
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Posted 30 Jan 2007 - 20:25

you say its only bolton n pompey...they're both better than us... and although we haven't got as amny points as we should moyes can be blamed for the loss of many points due to poor decisions and team selectiosn and disfraceful match tactics


And I suppose all the points we have accumulated have been due to what, LUCK
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Posted 30 Jan 2007 - 22:53

i really think the best bet is to bring in one more coach.

i dont mean this to sound racist or stereotypical, but nearly all of the everton coaching staff are scottish.
hardly known for their mouthwatering approach play.
i think if we could find a young coach from abroad it would add something different to the team, some new options, new tactics, just something extra to what we already have.
replacing the manager is a massive change, even more so as moyes has spent the last 5 years putting this side together ona shoe string, a new man would not have the funds
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Posted 30 Jan 2007 - 23:27

Good point there SteveO. Mebbe it's the back-room staff we need to look at.
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Posted 30 Jan 2007 - 23:55

i've thought this for a while, a foreign technical coach from say.. Holland,may be able to offer us something extra.
the dutch always have well rounded players and play nice attacking football.

Edited by The Prisoner, 30 Jan 2007 - 23:56.

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Posted 31 Jan 2007 - 00:54

Seeing as we are discussing back room staff - do you have any opinion on Chris Woods? He is often criticised on other forums yet we know nothing about his coaching methods and techniques.
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Posted 31 Jan 2007 - 05:37

Nigel martyn spoke volumes - Thats good enuff for me.

Cant blame him for the Teflon debacle.
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Posted 31 Jan 2007 - 07:39

Nigel martyn spoke volumes - Thats good enuff for me.

Cant blame him for the Teflon debacle.



Martyn had already learnt his trade before joining us thou, I doubt he could have benefited from woods knowledge

I do think someone has to take the blame for the 3 main Gk flops weve had at Everton

Simo , gerrard , wright all England 21 Gk before they joined us
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Posted 31 Jan 2007 - 07:52

Doh...Didnt realise Nigel Martyn had a career before EFC.

I meant I had heard previously Nigel Martyn give Woods COACHING decent wraps.

And that is still good enuff 4 me.

Blaming Woods is easy -> he didnt buy any of them + Simonsen was nothing but a PJ money laundering operation..
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Posted 31 Jan 2007 - 08:00

Doh...Didnt realise Nigel Martyn had a career before EFC.

I meant I had heard previously Nigel Martyn give Woods COACHING decent wraps.

And that is still good enuff 4 me.

Blaming Woods is easy -> he didnt buy any of them + Simonsen was nothing but a PJ money laundering operation..


Oh come on I didnt mean it like that darling !


you are right Woods didnt buy them....

But he destroyed them with his 1 armed press ups
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Posted 31 Jan 2007 - 08:16

And I suppose all the points we have accumulated have been due to what, LUCK


well if that's what you suppose
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Posted 31 Jan 2007 - 08:52

young goal keepers are always a risk, we've just been unlucky.
they get better with experience
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Posted 31 Jan 2007 - 09:11

But he destroyed them with his 1 armed press ups



I dont get it, please explain
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Posted 31 Jan 2007 - 09:18

I dont get it, please explain



Where as most people do press ups with two arms

Woods can do them with one

Does that explain it for you ?

I may be suggesting or questioning his training techniques are to blame, but then I am a nobody who hasnt got the badges

but thats my opinion on our coaches
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Posted 31 Jan 2007 - 10:31

Where as most people do press ups with two arms

Woods can do them with one

Does that explain it for you ?

I may be suggesting or questioning his training techniques are to blame, but then I am a nobody who hasnt got the badges

but thats my opinion on our coaches


Well I didnt know that
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Posted 31 Jan 2007 - 11:05

i cant believe a goal keeping coach would work on upper body strength! i mean why would a goal keeper need strong arms and chest? weird!

only messing mate
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Posted 31 Jan 2007 - 11:17

i cant believe a goal keeping coach would work on upper body strength! i mean why would a goal keeper need strong arms and chest? weird!

only messing mate


I did see Six Second Abs wanted chris to do a promo for them !
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Posted 31 Jan 2007 - 11:22

yeah they wanted rooney as well, for a before and after shot
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Posted 31 Jan 2007 - 12:04

yeah they wanted rooney as well, for a before and after shot


Don't make me sick YUK !
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Posted 08 Feb 2007 - 21:53

Tonight I have decided I have lost all confidence in David Moyes to succeed at this club (that may be due to alcohol but I'll let that go). It's got to the point where I dread going the games to see the shite football that's served up, does he realise we pay to watch that? I have to say I will have hard feelings against Arteta if he jumps ship, he derserves to play football for a team that are allowed to attack properly without being stifled by their own manager into playing defence minded shite. Im also scared about these youngsters coming through (Rodwell, Kissock, Baxter to name a few), will he stifle their talents aswell or simply let them go to a lower league team?


I have had enough, he is making me despise the club I love with his brand of football.

Edited by Romey 1878, 08 Feb 2007 - 21:56.

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Posted 08 Feb 2007 - 23:56

hope you come back and read that when your sober.

im still having none of this Moyes ruins players shite!
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Posted 09 Feb 2007 - 08:27

Tonight I have decided I have lost all confidence in David Moyes to succeed at this club (that may be due to alcohol but I'll let that go). It's got to the point where I dread going the games to see the shite football that's served up, does he realise we pay to watch that? I have to say I will have hard feelings against Arteta if he jumps ship, he derserves to play football for a team that are allowed to attack properly without being stifled by their own manager into playing defence minded shite. Im also scared about these youngsters coming through (Rodwell, Kissock, Baxter to name a few), will he stifle their talents aswell or simply let them go to a lower league team?
I have had enough, he is making me despise the club I love with his brand of football.


Harsh Mark but I do get your point he could be doing so much better with what he has, I dont think our league position would be much different tho just the style of football so I suppose using that yard stick he is doing a good job at the club.

We need to start entertaining the fans tho!
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Posted 09 Feb 2007 - 08:37

I agree its a tad harsh but he has a valid point, i cant remember the last time we completely overun an opponent by playing good football. These days we are happy to accept any points that come our way, no matter how they are achieved.

Deffo very poor footy to have to pay to watch, and it wont be accepted season after season. :mellow:
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Posted 09 Feb 2007 - 10:12

All valid but at the same time we're not being overrun by anyone now (except maybe 45mins against Blackburn). No-one has given one of the hidings that used to be a regular occurrance this season and we've got a healthy positive goal difference...only Pompey has better (by one) outside the top four. The foundation's in place IMO and if the defence stays solid then we can start playing more attractive footie, and I think we will.
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Posted 09 Feb 2007 - 10:21

All valid but at the same time we're not being overrun by anyone now (except maybe 45mins against Blackburn). No-one has given one of the hidings that used to be a regular occurrance this season and we've got a healthy positive goal difference...only Pompey has better (by one) outside the top four. The foundation's in place IMO and if the defence stays solid then we can start playing more attractive footie, and I think we will.


Totally agree mate but we take too long in turning things around, If we loose Arteta in the summer and dont spend big the foundation will begin to crumble. Its seems to be a cycle with us just as we get our heads above water the team starts to crumble because of lack of cash. It happened last time with Materazzi (spelling), Collins, Dacort & Barmby!
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Posted 09 Feb 2007 - 10:29

I'm not jumpin on no bandwagon just yet but about the attractive football comment. I'd rather win than play good and lose.

One problem is that we don't have any wingers who can run with the ball. This would then relieve some of the responsibilites of the centre mids allowing them to get forward and also gives us another dimension of attack as we won't be trying to play it long or through the middle. Just a little suggestion as obviously there are other ways of improving :)
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Posted 09 Feb 2007 - 10:37

Agreed...gotta play it out wide...play it through the middle...just play rather than hoof it forward. Not just us though, England were doing the same thing on Wednesday, only not as well as us. Think the intention is there otherwise why would DM buy players like VDM (whatever your opinion of him) and Mendes. If the team can stay together...big if perhaps..then the future's bright, the future's blue!
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Posted 09 Feb 2007 - 10:46

I have alot of respect for the way moysey has steadied the ship & we are now a team that is hard to beat, (most of the time) but we need to move forward at some point & start buying better players if we want to improve from hard to beat to hard to contain. Its good to be a hard to beat team but i don't know how many more years i can stomach paying 70 pound a week to watch us play substandard dull football.
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Posted 09 Feb 2007 - 11:00

can we stop this anti-moyes shit. we will be in europe next season, the last man to get us into europe twice was sir howard. just hope we make a better go of it this time!!
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Posted 09 Feb 2007 - 11:16

can we stop this anti-moyes shit. we will be in europe next season, the last man to get us into europe twice was sir howard. just hope we make a better go of it this time!!


Obviously you dont sit and watch our one dimensional "football" week in week out.

If we played proper football every week Micky would be spraying the ball around like we know he can rather than sitting on the wing watching long balls go over him and dreaming of being the midfield playmaker he knows he is!
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Posted 09 Feb 2007 - 11:29

We don't have flair players in our first team outside of Arteta (I'm not including VDM or Mcfadge) and we haven't had the money to buy any. Teams who try to play good football on a budget have gone down, Norwich can testify to that. As for Hibbo, Neville,Naysmith, Stubbs and Carsley - all they know is direct pressing football. We play to our strengths and get results in the main, it's not pretty to watch but then it hasn't been for over a decade. At least now we can look to Europe instead of the Championship.
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Posted 09 Feb 2007 - 11:31

Certain points i agree and disagree with.

1st you dont need good football players in the middle of the park, I'd swap Arteta for Barton or Nolan anytime.
The last time we had good attacking football played was in the 80s, when we had a couple of hard working ball winners in the middle Bracewell and Reid, Their job was to stop the oppo midfield, win the ball, and give it to the players who could play, (Steven and Sheedy) down the wings and into the penalty area, its an easy game really.

2nd there is a distinct shortage of english players with skill enough to play on the wings, but if we spend money in the summer it has to be on wingers from home or abroad, that is where we, and a lot of other teams are failing,
The game plan and the tactics have been changed so much over the years away from the English Game, so we are now trying to accomodate foreign players, and competing against continental teams to a continental system which is completely foreign to our English players, lets return to the English way of playing.

Manure had Giggs & Beckham wide with Keane and Scholes in the mid, Chelsea Have had Duff and Robben with a couple of ball winners in the mid, Arsenal had Henry with Vierra and that little blond pigtailed fella who's name escapes me, in the mid.

Wingers will win you Titles and trophy's, but the system you play has to be the right one, DM does'nt seem to have any system at all, he just wants hard workers all over the pitch. We might not get rolled over by many teams, but at the same time we are never going to win anything, and its bloody awfull to watch.

Not really against DM because we are a bit more stable now than we where, but imo i dont think he.s the man to take us any further.
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