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#41 Mac

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Posted 15 Dec 2006 - 12:34

Well yes...that much is very true
And again spot on..the man is treating Everton as his toy and frankly thats not healthy for the club


Aye, and there's the rub, without serious opposition that man is a danger to the long term future of OUR club.

I know it could be worse Fozz, but to watch him parade himself on TV with that smug grin slapped all over his dish makes me feel his own aganda is so much more important than the welfare of EFC.

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Posted 15 Dec 2006 - 23:15

My head nod's in total agreement with a concerned smirk.
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Posted 15 Dec 2006 - 23:58

what happend to steady progress....the rs possable deal is getting to you all...and some of the things getting said about bk is sad.
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Posted 16 Dec 2006 - 00:05

The majority of us have felt this way before the possible takeover at the shite
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Posted 16 Dec 2006 - 03:06

what happend to steady progress....the rs possable deal is getting to you all...and some of the things getting said about bk is sad.

Not a question of that,i see no real evidence of "steady progress" tbh all the other clubs in and around us are prgressing at the same if not more pace.

BK has told many untruths in the past and once again i see no evidence of change there either,once an actor always an actor.

And trust me this is just the start of the unrest becuase when the RS start throwing money about (i cant see they wont) and we're buying knockdown priced players then i'm sure a groundswell of fans will move against him,not that it'll make any difference becuase as i say EFC is BKs toy and he aint letting it go. :angry:
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Posted 16 Dec 2006 - 10:58

Not a question of that,i see no real evidence of "steady progress".


in that case you have a very short memory. instead of being constantly battling relegation we are now fighting for a uefa cup spot. thats a huge step forward.

The board now seem to have found a real sense of direction and purpose after years of floundering, and this has fired the fans and the team with an optimism that we havenít had for a long time.

as for bk i dont envy him his position. since chelski's takeover football has changed, and maybe not for the better. we can't compete with chelski or manu or even arsenal. and neither can ANY other premiership side.

its a question of a slow and steady improvement to try and develop a side that can compete against the financial giants.

quite frankly if you have to have something as obvious as this explained to you then you really have lost the plot!

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Posted 16 Dec 2006 - 14:13

in that case you have a very short memory. instead of being constantly battling relegation we are now fighting for a uefa cup spot. thats a huge step forward.

The board now seem to have found a real sense of direction and purpose after years of floundering, and this has fired the fans and the team with an optimism that we havenít had for a long time.

as for bk i dont envy him his position. since chelski's takeover football has changed, and maybe not for the better. we can't compete with chelski or manu or even arsenal. and neither can ANY other premiership side.

its a question of a slow and steady improvement to try and develop a side that can compete against the financial giants.

quite frankly if you have to have something as obvious as this explained to you then you really have lost the plot!


i look forward to fozzies reply :lol:
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Posted 16 Dec 2006 - 14:29

in that case you have a very short memory. instead of being constantly battling relegation we are now fighting for a uefa cup spot. thats a huge step forward.

The board now seem to have found a real sense of direction and purpose after years of floundering, and this has fired the fans and the team with an optimism that we havenít had for a long time.

as for bk i dont envy him his position. since chelski's takeover football has changed, and maybe not for the better. we can't compete with chelski or manu or even arsenal. and neither can ANY other premiership side.

its a question of a slow and steady improvement to try and develop a side that can compete against the financial giants.

quite frankly if you have to have something as obvious as this explained to you then you really have lost the plot!

So your indication of progress is not fighting relegation??

Well that may well be the sole ambition for you but i have much higher standards obviously the club qualified once for europe..we lasted 4 games..or are so blinded that your memory may be a little short there i think,the last time we where in europe was 1995 if i remember correctly.

The board has a sense of direction?? what direction?? saying we're moving..2 words KINGS DOCK..heard it all before simple as that.

Other clubs are moving past us for the love of god look at pompey sure they'll fall by the wayside but they have backing money,its called deeds and not words.

I do agree though the PL has moved beyond us with the russians money and i'll put good money we'll never win it again in my lifetime,but sadly thats also down in part to the board,we we're big hitters at the inception of the PL now we're merely bit part players and thats down to succseive boards fault at not turning the club into a buisness like the mancs did.

Read the posts on this board the fans arent that fired up as you put it becuase billy liar has bullshitted us all and newer fans will found out his this for themselves soon enough.

You may prefer to stick your head in the sand and think all is well but its not Everton the grand old club of ours is nothing more than mid table fodder nowadys and it makes me sick to the pit of my stomach to say that,but you see i'm a hardend realists and prefer to live in the real world unless massive investment comes into this club and the quicker it does the better,then we'll be the new centuries version of coventry always hanging about the top ten,maybe a season or two in europe every now and again but nothing more.

I've resisted the urge to flame you but i've always thought of this board as a friendly place and sarky comments arent really what i would expect from someone who posts here regularly.
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Posted 16 Dec 2006 - 18:33

i look forward to fozzies reply :lol:


It's gone very quiet...is everyone still behind the sofa :unsure: ?
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Posted 16 Dec 2006 - 19:35

No Mike, I am facing up to Fozz he may have some outrageous views but he makes sense most of the time.

C'mon Fozz, the more extreme the better.

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Posted 16 Dec 2006 - 19:53

No Mike, I am facing up to Fozz he may have some outrageous views but he makes sense most of the time.


Wouldn't disagree with that Mac, it's good to have the full range and I bow to many on here (not least Foz) because of their close and often lifelong knowledge of the club. It's only really since being on here that I've started to understand what really makes the club and the supporters tick after years of blind loyalty from a distance. The blind loyalty will never stop, but it's nice to hear different takes on "The Truth" from all corners.
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Posted 16 Dec 2006 - 20:01

That is a cracking post Mike, you have replied to a frivilous post in a mature and reasonable manner, I am shamed and embarresed by your maturity.

Yah boo sucks to you. :P

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Posted 16 Dec 2006 - 21:43

I feel a BIG generation gap growing between Evertonians.

Due mostly to the mismanagemnet of this great old institution.

Us older guys were born in to & indoctrinated to the school of science.

@ best the youth / generationof today have had the Dogs of War & a 4th place finish.

Say No more.
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Posted 18 Dec 2006 - 21:48

I feel a BIG generation gap growing between Evertonians.

Due mostly to the mismanagemnet of this great old institution.

Us older guys were born in to & indoctrinated to the school of science.

@ best the youth / generationof today have had the Dogs of War & a 4th place finish.

Say No more.


do you know what history entitles you to? NOTHING!

you have to earn success. and those whiners who keep complaining about the long hard slog needed to reach the top 4 are simply immature and out of touch with reality. they are like kids who want everything now. they expect the tooth fairy to come along and save us from the challenges and the reality that all mid-table clubs are now facing.

soccer has its ups and downs, its the nature of the game. when i started to support Everton, liverpoo were in the second division. there is no point in living in the past.

anyone who has the gall to complain that this club hasnt made progress in the last few seasons is either a fool, a liar or a cry baby. or more likely all three!

weve got new players, a new training ground, possibility of a new stadium and we dont have that curse of battling to avoid relegation every season.

the facts of life have changed in the world of soccer since chelski. not for the better but we have to live with them and workout how to make a success of the club in this new environment.

and no amount of rambling on about how great we used to be will get us anywhere.

Edited by java2001e, 18 Dec 2006 - 21:48.

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Posted 18 Dec 2006 - 22:12

id bother responding to this, but i spent too much time on the other thread responding to your rose tinted view on how great we are and how we are slowly getting better, pretty much the same non-ambitious rubbish you post all the time.

nothin personal, just i expect a little more from one of Englands most successfull clubs, and im sure im not alone
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Posted 18 Dec 2006 - 22:50

The word Soccer summed it all up for me.

Refuse to even acknowledge the term.

Could some one please ( I bunked off latin classes ) convert NSNO to "Nothing But Third rate is good enough" just for Java.

NSNO - Thats what out history entitles us to.

To @ least aspire to that term is our eternal charter.
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Posted 19 Dec 2006 - 00:50

do you know what history entitles you to? NOTHING!

you have to earn success. and those whiners who keep complaining about the long hard slog needed to reach the top 4 are simply immature and out of touch with reality. they are like kids who want everything now. they expect the tooth fairy to come along and save us from the challenges and the reality that all mid-table clubs are now facing.

soccer has its ups and downs, its the nature of the game. when i started to support Everton, liverpoo were in the second division. there is no point in living in the past.

anyone who has the gall to complain that this club hasnt made progress in the last few seasons is either a fool, a liar or a cry baby. or more likely all three!

weve got new players, a new training ground, possibility of a new stadium and we dont have that curse of battling to avoid relegation every season.

the facts of life have changed in the world of soccer since chelski. not for the better but we have to live with them and workout how to make a success of the club in this new environment.

and no amount of rambling on about how great we used to be will get us anywhere.



I now know why BK is such a big arsehole..he needs to be to get people like this up it..

id bother responding to this, but i spent too much time on the other thread responding to your rose tinted view on how great we are and how we are slowly getting better, pretty much the same non-ambitious rubbish you post all the time.

nothin personal, just i expect a little more from one of Englands most successfull clubs, and im sure im not alone

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Posted 19 Dec 2006 - 16:55

Jav - how can you be happy with the situation we are in? It is nowhere near rosey, we have next to no money for trasnfers and have to scrimp together the pennies every transfer window just to buy a SECOND rate player. I understand we have to earn our way in this league, but that is no reason to be happy to stand still. BK is a tosser who is killing our club, open your eyes and see the bigger picture. As has been said above NSNO - and we are certainly not getting the best.
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Posted 19 Dec 2006 - 17:10

Jav - how can you be happy with the situation we are in? It is nowhere near rosey, we have next to no money for trasnfers and have to scrimp together the pennies every transfer window just to buy a SECOND rate player. I understand we have to earn our way in this league, but that is no reason to be happy to stand still. BK is a tosser who is killing our club, open your eyes and see the bigger picture. As has been said above NSNO - and we are certainly not getting the best.


"we are not getting the best".

oh isnt that a shame! the world doesnt owe us a living simply because weve had a distinguished past. that sentimental crap and gets you nowhere!

how can you be happy with the situation we are in?


i never said i was happy with the situation we are in.

i said "the facts of life have changed in the world of soccer since chelski. not for the better but we have to live with them and workout how to make a success of the club in this new environment."

because you are unable to respond to what i ACTUALLY SAID and the points i raised you try to put words into my mouth. and your not the first to try it.


these are facts : "weve got new players, a new training ground, possibility of a new stadium and we dont have that curse of battling to avoid relegation every season."

and thats an improvement. thats an indication that we are moving in the right direction.

"have to scrimp together the pennies every transfer window just to buy a SECOND rate player."

boo hoo hoo! easily said! but i notice you dont offer any solutions.

stop complaining about we DONT have. most clubs in the premiership dont have it either.

Edited by java2001e, 19 Dec 2006 - 17:21.

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Posted 19 Dec 2006 - 22:48

i dont think you understand really - yes we are steadily improving. thats isnt the major problem. the problem is how far down we have slipped!

but most clubs in the premiership dont have the trophy cabinet we have.
and if you think our distinguished history is sentimental crap then i think you need to consider what EFC means to you.

that sentimental crap means a hell of a lot to a hell of a lot of people.
i dont know you back ground mate, but my dad, my uncles, my grandad, his dad, have all watched many a great team sweat blood for this club, winning many a league and cup.

most premiership clubs dont have what we have if you wanna start comparing us to them.
wigan, newcastle, west ham, spurs, city, reading, middlesbrough.
they would all kill for what you consider sentimental crap.

do you think we sing "if you know your history" for fuck all???

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i dont think you understand really - yes we are steadily improving. thats isnt the major problem. the problem is how far down we have slipped!

but most clubs in the premiership dont have the trophy cabinet we have.
and if you think our distinguished history is sentimental crap then i think you need to consider what EFC means to you.

that sentimental crap means a hell of a lot to a hell of a lot of people.
i dont know you back ground mate, but my dad, my uncles, my grandad, his dad, have all watched many a great team sweat blood for this club, winning many a league and cup.

most premiership clubs dont have what we have if you wanna start comparing us to them.
wigan, newcastle, west ham, spurs, city, reading, middlesbrough.
they would all kill for what you consider sentimental crap.

do you think we sing "if you know your history" for fuck all???



I agree completely Steve..as i say we're "steadily improveing" and "5 year plans" mean fuck all tbh,every other club in the premiership have these very same plans in place and frankly they're executing them rather well.

Everton under BK's stewardship we have foundered, the new covenrty i've called us and thats what we are,flirting with the top 10,europe every now and again but no real sign of any silverware.

I like many other remember the shit that was served up in the 70's and pretty dire it was too to be fair but we had a chance to change to come back becuase the field was level,it isnt now not by a long way..money talks,it cant sing or dance but it can talk..

The solution is VERY simple BK to sell the club..theres plenty of people with money to burn willing to buy football clubs that much is clear..BK's defender choose not to see this of course and think the sun shines out of his flabby white arse.
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Posted 20 Dec 2006 - 20:44

yes we are steadily improving. thats isnt the major problem. the problem is how far down we have slipped!

i see. you want it both ways!

but most clubs in the premiership dont have the trophy cabinet we have.

history entitles you to nothing. and living in the past will get you nowhere in the present or the future.

and its the present and the future that counts.

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Posted 20 Dec 2006 - 21:26

i see. you want it both ways!


Thats fozzies Specialty for raisng Gaming funds everyone knows that... :P :P :P

Think This debates an agree to diasgree job.
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Posted 20 Dec 2006 - 23:56

yes we are steadily improving. thats isnt the major problem. the problem is how far down we have slipped!

i see. you want it both ways!

but most clubs in the premiership dont have the trophy cabinet we have.

history entitles you to nothing. and living in the past will get you nowhere in the present or the future.

and its the present and the future that counts.


both ways???

that is still the problem you dont see!!!
the history shows we were once a great club, challenging for honours year on year. due to mis-management of the club we have slipped to lower ranks. this mis-management is still going on, and under the current regime they do not have the knowledge experience of finance to bring us back to where we belong.

its not a case of living in the past, its a case of knowing the people running our club are not able to get us back to what should be the bare minimum for one of the countries most sucessful clubs.

we are not saying our history entitles us to anything, we are saying we have been left to rot to a standard that does not fit a club of our size and stature within the game
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Posted 21 Dec 2006 - 02:32

Thats fozzies Specialty for raisng Gaming funds everyone knows that... :P :P :P

Think This debates an agree to diasgree job.

Oi!!! :D



yes we are steadily improving. thats isnt the major problem. the problem is how far down we have slipped!

i see. you want it both ways!

but most clubs in the premiership dont have the trophy cabinet we have.

history entitles you to nothing. and living in the past will get you nowhere in the present or the future.

and its the present and the future that counts.

And you really think we have a future that we can honestly look forward too??

And by that i mean trophys
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Posted 21 Dec 2006 - 10:12

think its time for us to give up mate, if he doesnt want success then thats his problem
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Posted 21 Dec 2006 - 12:29

The word ambitionless comes to mind
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Posted 21 Dec 2006 - 22:16

the history shows we were once a great club, challenging for honours year on year.

your living in the past. that gets you nowhere.

its the present and the future that count.

we are making progress. those who think that we arent have no grip on reality.

but then people who live in the past dont!

"these are facts : "weve got new players, a new training ground, possibility of a new stadium and we dont have that curse of battling to avoid relegation every season."

and thats an improvement. thats an indication that we are moving in the right direction.

"have to scrimp together the pennies every transfer window just to buy a SECOND rate player."

boo hoo hoo! easily said! but i notice you dont offer any solutions.

stop complaining about we DONT have. most clubs in the premiership dont have it either."

Edited by java2001e, 21 Dec 2006 - 22:17.

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Posted 22 Dec 2006 - 00:37

Tis The Season To be Jolly..Trala Lala Tura La La La.............. :rolleyes:
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Posted 22 Dec 2006 - 01:19

The word ambitionless comes to mind

ambition is about the future -- not the past.
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Posted 22 Dec 2006 - 01:25

Time for a lock tbh very sick and tired of Java's flamebaiting
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