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#41 Romey 1878

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Posted 24 Aug 2007 - 13:58

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#42 Jay Bernard

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Posted 24 Aug 2007 - 14:14

You make some fair points but thats a joke lad how can you call a proposal that's been allowed no time to develope "half baked"? They need to gather all the info to make a decent pitch and you cant do that in a few weeks. If they published a plan without the necissary info (like everton have!) that would be half baked but taking a few weeks to prepare an informative proposal is the way it should be done and that time frame was a godsend to the club because they could push through a rushed vote to try and kill off any opposition.

I have a sneeky feeling the board will rush trough finalising the Kirkby deal to kill of the loop proposal before it grows and when that happens you will see how underhanded they have been.

GoldfishMemory i agree with everything you say, this board are a disgrace for even thinking about moving Everton out of the city. But i still feel we havent reached the end of this story yet. We are but on the last chapter. I can see big movements against the board from KEIOC, and the real fans who want Everton to stay at home.
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#43 Maghull70

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Posted 24 Aug 2007 - 14:37

The annyoing thing is those people who wasted their vote by not voting could have made a difference.


THOSE that didnt cast a vote were probably undecided about whether to move to Kirkby or not, OR perhaps they were happy whichever way the vote went knowing that they would follow Everton no matter what. so dont assume that they wasted their vote.

So Kirkby it is. Look on the bright side, at least its not Speke.
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#44 MikeO

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Posted 24 Aug 2007 - 14:45

http://www.toffeeweb...bmissionID=2433


So the votes are in, itís Yes and weíre off to Kirkby within three years. The ĎYesí voters are celebrating and canít wait to dance in the ruins of Goodison

Fucking stupid prat. Pointless reading any further.
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#45 Barry Horne's Metatarsal

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Posted 24 Aug 2007 - 14:51

I find the argument that because the ground is going to be in Kirkby no one is going to go bizarre. I lived right in the centre of the City on Catherine Street and I went the match. My family moved to Skem, and we still went the match. I moved to Staffordshire with work, and I still went the match...and now I live in Oxfordshire with my wife, and I still go every home match. It's either in your blood, or it's not, and if 4 miles is enough to make you not go, then it's obviously not. Remember we had a falling out last time we moved, a long, long time ago....and we all know what become of the ones who refused to move......

It's done, and the futures as bright as we want it to be.
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#46 Blue4Ever

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Posted 24 Aug 2007 - 14:56

THOSE that didnt cast a vote were probably undecided about whether to move to Kirkby or not, OR perhaps they were happy whichever way the vote went knowing that they would follow Everton no matter what. so dont assume that they wasted their vote.

So Kirkby it is. Look on the bright side, at least its not Speke.

You cheeky twit, I live there what the fucks up with it? at least we would be in liverpool and its easy access to the motorway.

Edited by Blue4Ever, 24 Aug 2007 - 15:06.

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Posted 24 Aug 2007 - 15:51

All very good theories being put forward so heres mine, but the proof in the end will be in the pudding.

The board claimed this deal will give us more revenue so we can compete with the "Big Clubs"
An extra 10.000 seats can give us ten million more transfer funds was another claim.
The present takings on our seasonal average of 36.000 gives us a million pounds for a home game...... average price of a ticket £30 x 36.000 = £1.008.000, the season just gone we had 18 league games and 2 cup games roughly about 21 million.

I have already pointed out in another thread that for us to get another ten million pounds on takings we would have to increase our seasonal average by nealy 50% which would need to be a 54.000 average over the season, and seeing that in over 100 years we have only ever got to 51.000 average once in 1963/4 when we had without any doubt the best team in the land with a ground that could accomodate 75.000 but in order to achieve that we had one gate of 72.000 and several gates over 60.000 and most others over 50.000, so in the ground they are talking about as being the "Deal of The Century" there is no possible way they can do that.

I would be very surprised if they could even average 40.000 which would give an increase of about 2 million over the Season, which would have course then be taken away by the payments for the land rent, the stadium rent, and in fact we will probs be a lot more in Debt than we are now.

People who travel to the games from long distance will probs still go unless they feel very strongly about it, its the walking supporters who had a pint in the local near by and then walked, also those who met up with their mates for a drink in town and 4 or 5 would jump into taxi's to the game, then the Shiel rd circular 26 and 27 bus route from all ends of the town would bring in locals all morning, It wont be so easy to get to Kirkby.

In fact the more i think of it i dont think the average will increase at all, the Deal of the Century was sold to the public with quotes and figures that just dont add up.

Good name for the new Stadium .................... Pink Elephant Arena. :)
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#48 Peoplesc1ub

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Posted 24 Aug 2007 - 15:52

Doubt we will fill the ground anyway
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Posted 24 Aug 2007 - 17:08

All very good theories being put forward so heres mine, but the proof in the end will be in the pudding.

The board claimed this deal will give us more revenue so we can compete with the "Big Clubs"
An extra 10.000 seats can give us ten million more transfer funds was another claim.
The present takings on our seasonal average of 36.000 gives us a million pounds for a home game...... average price of a ticket £30 x 36.000 = £1.018.000, the season just gone we had 18 league games and 2 cup games roughly about 21 million.

I have already pointed out in another thread that for us to get another ten million pounds on takings we would have to increase our seasonal average by nealy 50% which would need to be a 54.000 average over the season, and seeing that in over 100 years we have only ever got to 51.000 average once in 1963/4 when we had without any doubt the best team in the land with a ground that could accomadate 75.000 and to achieve that we had one gate of 72.000 and several gates over 60.000 and most others over 50.000, so in the ground they are talking about as being the "Deal of The Century" there is no possible way they can do that.

I would be very surprised if they could even average 40.000 which would give an increase of about 2 million over the Season, which would have course then be taken away by the payments for the land rent, the stadium rent, and in fact we will probs be a lot more in Debt than we are now.

People who travel to the games from long distance will probs still go unless they feel very strongly about it, its the walking supporters who had a pint in the local near by and then walked, also those who met up with their mates for a drink in town and 4 or 5 would jump into taxi's to the game, then the Shiel rd circular 26 and 27 bus route from all ends of the town would bring in locals all morning, It wont be so easy to get to Kirkby.

In fact the more i think of it i dont think the average will increase at all, the Deal of the Century was sold to the public with quotes and figures that just dont add up.

Good name for the new Stadium .................... Pink Elephant Arena. :)


Totally agree, as I've just posted on another thread I can see our average falling below the current of 36k. Can't understand why people think having a bigger capacity will equal a bigger attendance, it won't! Look at the Riverside!!

A very good point you made is that a lot of people go for the social side (as well as the game), the meeting up with mates in pubs they've been going to for years. Admittedly there's been games that I've been to that part of me wanted to stay at home but the thought of 5 pints beforehand was the encouragement (I'm not an alcoholic). The good thing about Walton/County Road is the abundance of 'meeting places'.

Ok it's not a dealbreaker but t's another consideration.
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Posted 24 Aug 2007 - 17:56

I voted No, and live in Northern Ireland. I believe that if u remove the club from its roots, you remove the essence of what the club is all about. Sure why dont we change our name to Kirkby Toffees, a la Milton Keynes Dons. I really think this has jeopardised the long term security of the club, rather than solidify it. The stadium will look brilliant with no fans in it, which is what will happen if we dont become a regular championship winning side. Its a massive gamble to be taking.
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#51 MikeO

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Posted 24 Aug 2007 - 18:34

A lot of emotion here, a lot of heart and soul searching for many and it's not the time for arguing....but I've got to pull you up on this, however gorgeous you may be.

Milton Keynes is sixty-two miles from Wimbledon. There was no consultation. There is no comparison.
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#52 Maghull70

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Posted 25 Aug 2007 - 01:06

You cheeky twit, I live there what the fucks up with it? at least we would be in liverpool and its easy access to the motorway.


SIMPLY, Speke is further away from Goodison (and our main supporter base) than Kirkby. Thatís all.

Oh, and I hear you are a bunch of foul mouthed yobs but I cant imagine where that rumour came from ;)
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Posted 27 Aug 2007 - 11:19

Im a bit disappointed but whats done is done, suck it up guys, its gonna happen. All this im not gonna go anymore makes me sick, how the hell can we critisize rooney about loyalty when half our fan base says they wont go because 5 miles it to far. We should just be happy that we are moving forward & building a good team who will be playing in a decent stadium. Will everyone who stops going be happy if the club falls apart & we slip down the leagues? Will they be happy when they sit at home saying, i knew this would happen? As for atmosphere at the new ground, thats down to us, we can make the atmosphere every bit as good as Goodison. We need to pull together make sure we dont go down the same road as Boro. All we have to do is stay loyal & make our new home, a home.

This is just my opinion, We need to pull together & stop moaning, we're not kopites ffs.
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Posted 27 Aug 2007 - 22:19

Looks like a fooking TESCO Petrol Station! We aren't going to fill it. They are relying on the extra 90 or so boxes. Football is now business. Funny think is how they expect business men to travel to there... any extra profit will get eaten up by the extra debts. Do the maths - extra debt guaranteed to be incurred. Extra income will not happen as planned equals more debt. The only possible advantage is that Billy Blue hat gets to increase the value of his share and sell up - so he's pretty damned happy. Hows he going to fund it? By having our big money deals conveniently fall appart. If Moyes wasn't so good at running the team we'd be up shit creek Kenwrong would have sold up and we'd have had a new owner and more investment. It's a disgrace.
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