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If he has managed to turn a group of players around who he pretty openly admitted he had lost - then he has achieved more than most managers. The fact is people were saying "same old players getting another manager sacked" which I found bizarre.... unless dcl, Pickford and Coleman were the legacy troublemakers..... which I don't believe for one second. I think the reality is the players were able to convey that "this is shit - and this needs to change" and I think in the situation he was in he had to. there have been subtle tweaks, for me the Burnley game was awful and the Chelsea game was "oh you complained that want sugar in your tea did you...... how's about the 5 teaspoons see how you like it then" and had us pressing high against a fast breaking team. The derby match was the perfect balance of solid shape and discipline with energy to support dcl who did an outstanding job.

You mean like, "Very optimistic...seen some progressive stuff and a real reason to believe he can go up a level"?

I hear what you are saying & I agree to an extent. I have my issues with him & after Chelsea I found myself focusing on my issues with him more than what I think he does well. Stepping back from it all though, he has actually done a far better job than we expected. As for his style - he has never been in a position to build a squad, Burnley were skint & we haven’t given him anything to build anything. If a Martinez type coach took over Burnley before Dyche, they would go down. Kompany tried to play expansive football with them in the prem & they have been battered. I’m not saying Dyche can do it but he deserves to be given a chance & hopefully these last 4 games he can try to get the team player a nicer brand of football.

i would agree in not offering any sort of new contract, until we see how thinks are going in the new year and when he's in the last 6 months of the one he is one. I don't see bigger jobs than the Everton job being offered to Dyche, so why commit. Different if you have the next best new up and coming manager at the helm. I see Dyche as a pair of safe hands rather than perhaps more risky hand of some up and coming progressive manager who has not worked in the Premiership before. The club set up is nowhere near the stability needed to take on the risk on this type of manager just yet. There is currently a fine line between pushing for the minor European places and being in a relegation battle. TV money has really evened up the comparative revenue of the none top 6-7 teams. We don't have the financial clout to maintain a pretty much relegation proof squad. We have to be more careful than ever on managerial risks. Baby steps needed at the moment, not shooting for the moon.

Hope you are right

The short of it is - he's limited. I championed him coming in so I don't need to learn about why we need him. I understand he's a firefighter. I'm responding to the suggestion that he couldnt be expected to do more with the players that he has. I think it's quite clear that the players have had their say and given some candid feedback as he confirmed himself... fair play for him to do that. I think it was last chance saloon though. It's not a case of expecting him to become something he isn't - it's about being less rigid, less predictable. He was doing the same thing match after match, the players looked beaten, the fans completely frustrated. It's not our best Everton side - but they aren't that shit to make them play like 1980s Cambridge United. I've not been too high on him and haven't been too low on him. The overreaction to our 4 game run was a bit cringey if I'm honest. He justifiably could have gone after palace at home. The fact that fans haven't kicked off more is a credit. I said in another post that he's done what it says on the tin, for that he can be thanked. Its not for us as fans to say who is good enough to replace him - yeah we could all go and plagiarise some footy hipsters review of some unknown South American league 2 manager who plays a new 33232 formation and will be the next city manager. Thats not our job but there are managers out there who would be chomping at the bit to manage in the PL.

I’ve been looking forward to this.

Had VVD in his pocket all game, if only that naughty Jordan Pickford hadn't snapped his ACL back in 1904 then he would have stood a chance. DCL is boss.

Dyche in a suit, 3-0 Brentford. Dyche in a trakkie, 73-0 to us.

In what has been teams filled with shite, one thing has been consistent - that I fucking love Jordan Pickford. I'll be honest he could be playing at a much higher level than us, he's an outstanding goalkeeper and like @Romey 1878 would be made up if when he called it a day it was whilst wearing an Everton kit.

There's no way he'll get a new contract offer until we have a proper board and new owners in. And well, new owners and old managers don't always last long together

It's bullshit isn't it? Liverpool players were tired. Liverpool had lots of injuries. The pressure got to them. Of course none of applies to Everton. Plus to say that Dom wasn't fouling the Liverpool players, but was leaving a bit on them. If that's true why did the ref keep giving free kicks to us? Could swear I saw VVD and Konate repeatedly foul Dom.

24 hours ago I was dreading the match. Never dreamed what a tremendous match it would be

Hardly any media gave us credit and this claim of tiredness is a joke haven’t City and Arsenal played similar amount of games. Liverpool have possibly the biggest squad in the premier league. Saying Tarks has only played 41 games and Nunez 50 plus games but Tarks has probably played more minutes Nunez has had a lot of bit parts to play

I agree with those who are championing have a bit of stability in the management department. At the moment there is very little continuity at this club, so wouldn't change the management team unless we absolutely have to. I think Dyche has done much better than most of the managers we have had in the Moshiri period with much fewer resources and he's had a lot more issues and problems to deal with. Not a high benchmark I must admit, but there has and very much still is over ridding reasons why managers struggle here. I wouldn't doubt any replacement manager coming would find the Everton job easy. I don't think there have been that many bad performances (5-6 maybe), they may not have been asthetically pleasing, but most haven't been stinkers, I still think we actually deserved more wins/draws that we have ended up with to date. I don't think we have been riding our luck in the games in which we have got results, most points won have been deserved. In an alternative universe when point deductions don't exist and you get a little be more of the rub of the green, we could have just as easy have been in a push for a European spot. Just off the top of my head I still don't understand how Fulham, Wolves and Luton stole 9 points off us at home in the first few weeks of the season - Boom, just considering those 3 games and no points deduction - performance wise we could easily be sitting 8th with 50 points. All ifs and buts, but we have not been far off getting the points West Ham and even Newcastle has to there name this season. If we hadn't be artificially 'stuck' in the relegation zone all season, there would be very little talk of swapping Dyche out next season.

The comment at the end of the Pickford and Dom interview from Dom, “ We can put the past behind and focus on winning the next derby” I love that, not dwelling on the past.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c90z9j0kkkjo

Well you've done it now

You're right. And must admit I was wrong in some cases regarding certain players. Still, Onana has to be sold asap for as much as we can get, but I think most agree on that. I also think that most here on TT agree that Dyche is not the answer for a longer campaign and that he was brought here to avoid relegation and create stability. Now, as mentioned from Matt, it would be a big fat lie to say we have stability on the pitch, but that also goes for pretty much everything else off the pitch. With the almost secure "success" of stayng in top flight we should hopefully be interesting to a solid owner/sponsorship. The only way is up, baby.

Been typing it for 30 minutes but kept getting interrupted, hadn't even seen yours

You expanded on my shorter post perfectly.