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This sounds like you have only been reading Ibrham X Kendi and Ta-Nehisi Coates, I'd recommend complementing it with some Glenn Loury and John McWhorter, both of whom are sick of being infantilised by well meaning white people who profess to be anti-racist while holding black people to a lower standard. It also sounds like you still believe in biological race which is the only thing that will keep racism alive so I would also recommend this.

On this subject I primarily listen to black public intellectuals who are honestly engaging with the data and who are interested in evidence based solutions to improve the lives of the most vulnerable people in society (of whom black people are disproportionately represented) because I am genuinely horrified by the carnage and inequality that goes on in your country.

I literally put in my post that black people are disproportionally involved in police killings so I am not sure what point you are trying to make with your first comment, my point was that there is no evidence it's racially motivated. Do you have any, and why are twice as many white people shot and what motivated that? To your second point I said the majority not all of them and again why cherry pick people of colour? Is it because you don't even know the names of the white people which was my actual point that you refuse to engage with! How many people out of the ones you listed resisted arrest? Which of the people in this thread would refuse to comply with a lawful direction and go hands on with a cop who is carrying a gun? After these horrific events where are the leaders pleading with people to comply with the directions of police even if they feel at the time they are being unjustly arrested? The one I was most personally disturbed by in your list, the sheer senselessness of was Philando Castile, but do you think the fact that civilians (him in this instance) are driving around with their wives and children with guns in the car might be a slightly mitigating circumstance in the way cops behave? You can go on youtube and watch cops get shot in traffic stops doing their job, 62 last year (thats just the ones shot, quite a few get run over with cars), do you know any of their names. Quite a few black ones no doubt. Breonna Taylor is another one that I find gobsmacking particularly when non US progressives are spouting about it, "they didn't knock" meanwhile her dropkick of a boyfriend doesn't think it's necessary to identify who is coming in and just opens fire. Completely normal behaviour and not remotely psychopathic. This doesn't hold up in any other western country.

Nothing to do with grammar or spelling, I don't respond because he is not responding to the point I am making and I have been down those rabbit holes with Palfy too many times, they are not productive and neither of us get anything out of it. I am not interested in debate on the internet, I am only interested in dialectic.

I am really not understanding why this is hard to comprehend Steve, read the actual words in the post you are replying to, there is no mention of overpowering security and storming a building, there is a distinction between the two groups that is important.

You've misread the posts, I was referring to the discussion and Palfy's claim that because I am drawing a comparison between the behaviour of the GOP and Democrat politicians that I must be a secret Nazi rather than someone who is simply interested in the truth of opinions.

To the original point, this is a framing that doesn't actually hold up to any scrutiny. The evidence of racially motivated killings by the police in the US is rare as hens teeth yet you could be convinced that black people were being hunted in the streets from the way it is covered. African Americans are disproportionately represented but are still far less by number because of demographics, what all the people shot have in common is they are almost always armed and threatening police. There's a data base on the WaPo that records all the data that funnily enough was started after the Michael Brown shooting, an incident where a majority of people still believe that he had his hands in the air saying "don't shoot" when he was shot because that was the way it was covered.

Dialect and dialectic are not the same thing, after you learn the difference and given time you should be able to work the rest out. Godspeed.

It's called dialectic Palfy, people have been doing it for 1000's of years and it's how we made progress in our political discourse. Mindless partisanship, the kind that you largely engage in is how we generally end up in wars.

Where did I say that?

This is part of the problem though isn't, the way the way things are reported. Showing up January 6 to listen to an address, hold up a sign and demonstrate your dissatisfaction with an election outcome is legitimate political discourse, not everybody marched and stormed the capitol. After an incident of police brutality showing up to a demonstration, holding up a sign and demonstrating your dissatisfaction with policing is legitimate political discourse, setting peoples businesses on fire and looting shops isn't but that never stopped Democrat leaders from excusing the anarchy so why would we expect the GOP to be any different?

What am I missing here, the headline doesn't fit the actual quote? G.O.P. Declares Jan. 6 Attack ‘Legitimate Political Discourse’ "They chose to join Nancy Pelosi in a Democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens who engaged in legitimate political discourse that had nothing to do with violence at the Capitol.” Edit: Got it, the censure resolution omitted the distinction.

Also he has a wife and kids so maybe given he knows he off at the end of his contract guaranteed doesn't want to move twice for the sake of 6 months. *I also understand he is a symbol of our diabolical situation so can understand people being pissed off.

Now just need to get the guy who sprayed the 'Pereira Out Lampard In' graffiti to start spraying some transfer suggestions.

Well I suspect you'll certainly try a bit harder for the next week I'll help by critiquing all of your posts about Boris. You're welcome.

If you're at the point where you're struggling to be objective and it improves your mental health, yes.

You should throw him out of your head, he seems to live up there rent free Micko He might be in a rough patch now but come 2024 CV will be a distant memory, the economy will have roared back to life and Spring will just be about to turn into Summer, Labour have more chance with Boris gone IMO.

The sad truth is probably no one else wants the job, it's becoming clearer and clearer that we are an omni-shambles.

Must be about time to add the poll.

Same to you, sir!

The thing is Palfy it's all conjecture, neither of us really know what happened, you have taken the worst possible interpretation of what happened and then labelled it a fact in your head and it's left you full of resentment about something that may or may not have happened. And like Mike Skinner said, 'resentment, is the poison you take hoping someone else with suffer.' Even if I am delusional, at least I aint bovvered.

Compare him cost wise transfer fees and wages to one of his peers, the Icelander or a Bolassie or one of his replacements like Gomes or Bernard. We paid Barkley less than 50k per week the entire time, wouldn't even get to 10m if you included the cost of all the 'nurturing'. Given what we know now about the chaos at the club I just think we can give him the benefit of the doubt likes Shukes said rather than believe he was involved in some kind of Machiavellian plot to fuck us over. Hanlon's razor.

The only key missing point in this discussion is people ignoring the benefit that the club had from him, it's completely forgotten in the equation, for 4 years he was among the first names on the team sheet. Tall poppy syndrome.

This goes both ways, players sign contracts and they want the best possible deal for them. Their only obligation is to honour the terms and conditions of the contract which he did. There's a long conga line of players stealing money from the club in transfer fees and wages over the last few years and he's nowhere it.