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  1. You have no idea of what makes a stadium a success - read my posts again. Rapid-transit rail right to the door does. If it is easy to get to they turn up. Just accept it and then shout if a stadium is proposed without it. Like the one on SP and the one in Kikby.
  2. The city's history and heritage is threatened because of a concrete lump. Something are priceless and should not be meddled with.
  3. Well MATE!!! The waterfront at Melbourne , which is very different in layout to Central Docks, could have been a lot better. I know people in Melbourne and they say the stadium does little for the place. The stadium is a success because it is a well designed stadium - it would be a success in any location. You said yourself the docklands is crap. It could have been far better without the concrete lump in the way. In Liverpool we can have both. A vibrant dock area - a World Heritage Site - and a superb stadium in great location that takes minutes to get to from all over Merseyside. Putting a stadium in Central Docks is akin tom putting nuclear powers station there. At leas the power station does not attract litter.
  4. This proposal did not even have rapid-transit rail run in. A tunnel virtually hits the park. The Outer Loop runs right past it. Someone should have told them. The curved of trees at the top of the site is the old trackbed. It is still there.
  5. That says it all. Stadium is great, but destroyed a waterscape that could have been vibrant and a great attraction. We have partially done that in the south end docks with the arena. And footy fans want to do the same in Central Docks as well. Duh! If the city makes the same mistake twice the UN may revoke the World Heritage Status. They has meeting with the city about 18 months - 2 years back about how they were applying the WHS. They were mumbling about Liverpool being the first to have the WHS revoked.
  6. You presuming they will not. Don't get into finance it is not your field. That is between the city and the UN. The UN gave the World Heritage Status - it was not to plonk a large lump on concrete on it. Have you looked at the WHS web site? Do you know what it is all about> It is clear you do not. It is not green belt. WHP is only one of highly suitable sites. Not into trains. I know what advances cities though - rapid transit. And I know what advances stadia - rapid-transit. Not that one again. Proud of Liverpool they shout!!! Yet wants to destroy its history and heritage because of a footy obsession. Some pride and concern that is. Reverting to personal insults so have lost the argument. Thanks. Now go and look at what the World Heritage site is about. Find out about Liverpool's history and heritage - in which football is a very minor player, despite what is bouncing around your obsessed mind.
  7. If LFC build at SP and EFC stay (highly unlikely), a station will not be at County Road. One was there until 1948, Spellow: Spellow It is in a deep cutting with only two shallow platforms. The throughput will be very poor. LFC were supposed to be contributing towards a new station at Cherry lane with 4 platforms, so it will be as near to them as possible. If electrified a new signalling system could have trains 2 minutes apart. But the Canada Dock Branch Line is poor as it does not mesh into Merseyrail well. The Outer Loop via WHP does. There is no way a station will be at County Rd to do the two grounds. You mean your fantasy stadium at Clarence Dock destroying the city's heritage? This stadium is in the inside the heads of two nuts who put together the CAD renders and emailed them out to site admin' men. Read what I wrote. No organisation is planning a stadium there. The UN have approved the plans and no stadium is approved!!!! No one who cares about Liverpool would want to destroy such a site with a concrete lump of a footy stadium. Then they tell me they are proud of their city and coming from Liverpool and wanting to destroy it. How odd.
  8. EFC, NWDA, Dpt of Tabnsport fro the rail and any other other vested interest. Stop playing at being an amateur accountant. Footy fans know all about accountancy don't they? I am not proposing anything. I am saying a large concrete lump of a footy ground is totally inappropriate for the World Heritage Site. I am not a philistine and value the city's history and heritage. I am directed you to look up what the WHS is and means. It is best you do that. It is not just museums. Sorry, it had an appalling reputation no matter what you thought. They think differently now. I doubt a stadium would have changed their views. It is clear you are set on destroying a World Heritage Site, because of narrow mined footy following. Anyone who values his city, the one you say you are proud of, would not want an inappropriate concrete lump of a footy ground on one of its most sacred sites.. But it is way down the list. He on about class now! How confused It also doesn't mean a footy stadium destroys history and heritage either. It is hard to hide a large concrete lump. It is clear you care more about footy than your city. Thank God most people in Liverpool are not like you. Liverpool 8. And I care about its history and heritage, despite being a footy fan. We can have a world renowned city if it is done right - and that is not building large concrete lumps on heritage sites. Did you read the Johnathan Brown's piece I posted? See this: The future Amsterdam
  9. Any station on that line will not be at Walton Lane. It will be around Cherry Lane to cope with 75,000 at LFC. The line initially could be diesel running from Bootle to Lime St mainline. IF the electrification is run through to the docks in 4 years it may start out as electrified meshing better with Merseyrail and if the Waterloo and/or Wapping tunnels are recommissioned then direct access to "most" of Merseyside. Why would they put another station at Walton Lane if EFC move on?
  10. I didn't side step anything. You are unable to focus on the point in question. A trait of footy obsessives. You appear to want to destroy a World Heritage Site for the sake of s concrete footy ground - which can go in better sites anywhere. Sydney Opera House as not on a World Heritage Site. Please focus. The World Heritage Status has done wonders for the city - its image has climbed immensely from one of a crime ridden slum to one of history and heritage. No footy ground ever would do what that has done. Cruise liners call in - not to take passengers to footy games. BTW, football is no more important to the history of the city than football in any other major city. Most people in Liverpool do not go to footy matches. The attendances of the two clubs is less than thrilling and in history nothing to note either. Where you get this notion that football is paramount to the city is beyond me. The World Heritage Site of Central Docks is far more important to the city to plonk a concrete lump of a footy ground on.
  11. Waywards minds here. The point is that a large concrete lump of a stadium should not go on a World Heritage Site destroying it, when there are many more suitable sites for a footy ground elsewhere in the city. Do you know what the World Heritage Site is about?
  12. Your initial questions were answered. Central Dock's history and heritage is maritime - not sport!!!! Now to your later question. EFC & LFC are important, however not at the expense of something which is far more important - and important to the world. More people emigrated to America from Liverpool than any other port. The population of America was the largest human migration in history. Of world importance. And those docks were key to that. Hence why the UN came in. Liverpool is a very historic city, although most of the population haven't much of a clue about it. No concrete lump should go on them. The Kings Dock IKEA shed-like Arena was bad enough. Once bitten..... Funds? Read back. Many bodies would contribute. A stadium with rapid-transit access would bring in large revenues to pay back loans.
  13. I know footy fans tell them selves lies a lot, but are you serious? EFC & LFC have no history in Central Docks whatsoever. The history and heritage is of maritime importance. EFC & LFC has history in Walton though, and Walton Hall Park would get us a stadium or two and a great extension to Merseyrail metro. I fail to see how a stadium in Central Dock would promote the city in general. The city's heritage is acknowledged as of “universal human significance” by the United Nations. Do you think the UN will be happy of the city allows a stadium to be slapped on that, when many suitable sites are available elsewhere in the city? They may remove the World Heritage Status from the city. The city has to follow the rules. I know there are many philistines who would build a concrete lump on such an important heritage site. I am not one of them. Walton Hall Park is not greenbelt and not listed as was Stanley Park. I would rather EFC & LFC were either end of WHP than LFC be on Stanley Park. Get it firmly in your head that no stadium will be a massive success unless rapid-transit rail with mainline rail connections is implemented. The Emirates is a great success because of the ease of access via a 5 surrounding stations. It runs at 100% capacity. Liverpool has rapid-transit rail, yet is ignoring it. London would not do such a thing. No rapid-transit to the stadium, no stadium!!!! Because it makes sense all around and the fans and clubs are the big winners. Jonathan Brown, Merseyside Civic Society........ Seven miles of waterfront puts Liverpool on a par with world cities like Nice, Sydney or downtown Manhattan. At present we have still to develop sufficient civic vision to understand what that means in planning terms. For instance, the Albert Dock’s water space is actually bigger than Trafalgar Square in London – stretching in each direction we are blessed with an extensive series of magnificent historic “water-squares”, unique in all the world. Magnificent because their setting overlooks the mighty Mersey, with the great metropolis of Liverpool rising up behind. This legacy in stone is a gift from the past that our friends in other cities would die for. So, what have we spent the last two decades doing with those “water squares”, whose heritage is acknowledged as of “universal human significance” by the United Nations? What lessons have we learned since central government stepped in and saved the Albert Dock from demolition? It is painful to say that we have spent much of that time filling many of the old docks in for car parking and “anytown” development, and allowed the rise of an exclusive, suburban-scale “apartmentopolis” of flats, forecourts for car dealerships and fast-food restaurants. The latest example of this lack of stewardship is the abominable multi-storey car park just up from the Liver Buildings on the Princes dock – an absolute eyesore, and the foolhardy proposals to fill in the Georgian Waterloo Dock. The increasing outcry shows united concern at potential damage to what is not just one of Liverpool’s but the world’s prize heritage assets. We urgently need an ambitious and above all imaginative review of the riverfront’s potential.
  14. You are getting confused with the Canada Dock Branch Line (sometimes called the Bootle Branch) it takes freight trains to the docks. This is a north end loop running from Edge Hill to Bootle via Kirkdale. It still takes trains. This may be electrified along with the Liverpool-Manchester line. It can them merge with Merseyrail using dual-voltage picks trains (3rd rail and wires). As it stands if opened for LFC it would run from Bootle to mainline Lime St via Edge Hill using diesel trains. A point to point line. The Outer Loop full merges into Merseyrail running both way easily back to the city centre. Dep of Transport, Council, NWDA, LFC, EFC, etc, may collectively fund the Outer Loop as it will alleviate congestion and pollution in the city centre. The station will attract investment around them as they do in London and other cities. It can kill many birds with one stone. Below: Canada Dock Branch Line in Blue. Northern Line in black, Kirkdale in the North, Lime Street in the South. A point to point diesel line at the mo', if commissioned. The Kirkdale tunnel can be seen and WHP is at the top where it says Walton. Merseyrail (run by NedRail/Serco) do not like the idea of running diesel trains as they have to farm it out to Northern Rail, so make less money. They get paid to run Merseyrail as all urban railways run at a loss - they are a social necessity. They like to run electric trains. The City Line is diesel and operated by Northern Rail with Merseyrail colours and tickets. Their view may change when the L'pool-Mcr line is electrified in 4 years - the document heavily implies the Canada Dock Branch line is to electrified for freight trains to access the West Coat Main Line. This means the passenger trains can use as well. BTW, Merseytravel, the local transport executive decides if a line gets recommissioned. They are the authority, Nedrail/Serco just run the network. Merseyrail need to promote the system like London Underground do. Many People in Merseyside could use the Merseyrail metro but just don't. They just don't think of it.
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