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I'd happily leave it if the people discussing talked football rather than a popularity contest.

What's the relevance of what Newcastle fans think? I've said I agree they liked Rafa more, but that's more because of his name. We were guilty of it last year. If Ancelotti didn't have his reputation there would have been a lot more noise about the football we were playing.

Only thing that makes me an idiot is engaging with the likes of you. How many digs is that now? Yet you go crying to the mods when I throw mud back at yer and fuck off on a hiatus when you don't get your own way.

First one is ridiculously bias from the off. It's a Bruce out piece going on about the money spent. Benetiz abandoned ship after they lost their two best players (Perez and Rondon). They only scored 4 less goals the next season without them and finished roughly the same in the league. Much harder job that Benetiz wasn't up to, fact is he knew he'd get them relegated again. Fact.

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Why wouldn't I like that fact? Which lets me honest can't be true given the relatively short time Benetiz has been here. Or have you personally been at Finch farm the last five years with a stop watch? Any how, how is that even relevant. People have short memories. Walcott was the single player worth watching under Alladyce. Fat Sam even got goals out of Tosun, eventually after giving him extra time to get up to speed, although I do remember one inpatient fan calling him the worse manager ever for not playing Tosun every week from the off. Alladyce claims he wanted Aubamayang but the club opted for Tosun so you might want to blame Walsh for that one. Alladyce also addressed we needed a centre mid but the club failed to bring one in. Madness that Silva then spunked the budget on a winger rather than a centre mid the following summer. Alladyce would have built a better team and we'd be in a better position now rather than go full circle and get another Alladyce style manager. Only difference Benetiz tends to leave squads worse than what he begins with. Why would I need to speak to a Newcastle fan. So they can tell me who they like more. That's not the question. I'll ask again. How was Benetiz better than Bruce?

People are acting like we're lucky to have him. We're a big club and should be aiming higher than a journey man who just wants to finally get a job closer to home. His biggest success was over 15 years ago and he's not lasted more than 2 seasons at any club other than Newcastle. So far we're 2 points down than we should be thanks to him picking Keane. We were lucky against Burnley. Could have easily been three down by half time.

Newcastle fans like Benetiz more than Bruce purely because of the name. They accepted playing shit football and just about staying up as they liked having a name in charge. Popularity polls don't mean anything. We all laughed when West Ham fans wanted rid of Alladyce to play the West Ham way. They're finally happy again... Now they're back to playing how fat Sam had them playing albeit Moyes at the helm. If anything Palace were even more defensive. Hodgson did a really good job keeping them in the league but I'd hate to watch them every week the past few years.

No they never, he came after the England sack with many bemoaning him from day one. What was the football like under Koeman that got him the sack? Given the players Silva had at his disposal the football and results should have been a lot better. The football wasn't good enough and the results no better.

It was equally as poor. Burnley had us pegged in our own half like they were man United under Ferguson. Why would he have settled for a point? That's just pure opinion with nothing to base it on. Again baseless. If anything Benetiz is the one more focused on percentage football and wanting players to do exactly what he wants. Alladyce allows more freedom. We are more attacking, but that's down to the players available. Alladyce played more attacking football with wba than he did Everton. Doucoure alone instead of Gana makes us more attacking. The team we had lacked a centre mid and pace on the wings.

Exactly, Koeman forced it on us. I doubt many managers would do differently than Alladyce did. It was a good job that we got fat Sam before Silva, as I dread to think how bad we'd have been with his football and that lot of players. Walcott was the only exciting player to watch. So Alladyce at least addressed we needed pace. The first half against Burnley was no better than the unimaginative slow boring football we've endured too often since Koeman. Past few seasons at times the best part of the game for me was a pie at half time. Couldn't even give my ticket away under Silva. Most disheartening thing for me was seeing the team sheet on the way to the game to check if Schneiderlin and Gana both started together. If there were you knew the next 90 minutes weren't gonna be fun at all.

What would Benetiz do with that same squad? Just look at what he done with Newcastle. Didn't score more than 2 prem goals in two seasons other than their comeback against us under Silva. Most recent are Sigurdsson (doesn't do enough off the ball and slows it too much on it), Silva (completely incompetent), and Keane (simply not good enough and knows it, plays for himself rather than the team). On the other side Iwobi just needing us to play faster. One which I find hard to believe split the fans, Pickford being a top keeper. DCL being better than Richi and Tosun. Just saying wrong is not good enough. What's your reasoning. How did Benetiz do better at Newcastle than Bruce? Wrong about Baines?? Pienaar wasn't effective. Just look at his goals and assists. We done no worse without him. Any one could have just sat on the wing and layed the ball off to Baines, if anything they'd do it better as they wouldn't try stupid back heels that never came off. 1 goal in his last three seasons at the club albeit he couldn't get in the team in his final season. Who's better Doucoure or Gana? Is the midfield better now without him. Was it better with McCarthy and Barry before him? Jags? Terrible choice of captain and an average defender. A young Holgate and a leggy Williams rightly kept him out the team. The player I wanted instead of him was Johnny Evans. Pretty sure you laughed at that too. Mori. He done well for us. Bare in mind I said three years, you've gone back how long?

I've named six things I've had to argue in the last three years. Care to let me know 6 I've been wrong about? How is Alladyce any more of a dinosaur to Rafa?

You used trophies won with teams built by other people. Compare what they've both done in the league. Alladyce is more impressive, getting the likes of Bolton into Europe compared to Benetiz who has never overachieved at a club. You said similar when I moaned about Silva. So Geordies and kopites are your fountain of knowledge. Brilliant. They loved that he won a cup and called us a small club. If he was so great he'd still be there. They've only recovered from the mess he left recently. He's the reason they stopped getting champions League every season. Controversial until proven true. Some of us are just more forward thinking than others. Or better yet form our own opinions. What else could you do with the squad he had, there's a reason Koeman got sacked. Look at Alladyce with west Brom playing good football and beating Chelsea 5-2 away. You can only work with what you've got. Alladyce albeit a percentage football manager adapts, he got Anelka and Okocha to Bolton. Players too good for that type of football and adapted away from percentage to use/trust in their natural ability. Whereas we've got a percentage puritan who has turned the fans on one of the most naturally gifted players of my lifetime.

You bragged about Benetiz's trophies. Yet his main accomplishment since 2005 is bringing Newcastle up. Steve Bruce has done a better job there. He left Liverpool with a much worse side than he started with to.

Has he won fans over? He's won the happy to be mid table, were poor so can't expect any better, I wish David Moyes come back ones maybe. Is Rafa any less of a knob?

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He won the championship at Newcastle compared to Alladyce not getting them relegated. Top manager...

Because he's never come back from one goal down? Benetiz is no better than Alladyce. Only difference is the fans never gave Alladyce a chance.

No team talk in the world would have made a difference. The tactics were killing us. If Alladyce done that no way would you credit him. The players bounced back after going 1 down and then steamrolled them. No I wouldn't. You're doing that thing we you make half the argument up again. Telling me I'm wrong about something you've just made up. Burnley play that way every week. He would have known what they were going to do. If he was this tactical genius we'd not be getting bummed by Burnley for an hour, and not wait until 1 down to change things. The result was in spite of him. Most recent are Sigurdsson (doesn't do enough off the ball and slows it too much on it), Silva (completely incompetent), and Keane (simply not good enough and knows it, plays for himself rather than the team). On the other side Iwobi just needing us to play faster. One which I find hard to believe split the fans, Pickford being a top keeper. DCL being better than Richi and Tosun.

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He's changed his tune. Chelsea? Thought he blagged trying to go to Newcastle to force man u to come in for him.

What changed between half time and their goal? People said the same when I moaned about Silva. And the football today was very similar to that. The players had no idea how to get out of their own half, Burnley completely dominated us for an hour. Am I happy with three points, yes. Am I happy to watch Everton play like that every week, hell no.

Per 90 minutes of football, Delph earns *roughly £500,000. *Assuming he's on £100k a week.