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  1. 9 minutes ago, Wiggytop said:

    Surely every player is a cast off if they leave a team, difference is some are worth buying other aren’t , Ake yes, Delph no.

    Peter Reid was a Bolton injury prone cast off when we bought him, that turned out OK

    I'd argue some of our best players of recent years have been cast offs. Arteta, Pienaar, Saha, Lusaka, Kanchelskis, Howard, Digne etc

    Its more of a case of buying the wrong cast offs!

  2. The quote appears fake because there is no evidence of it... anywhere bar other similar sites. There appears no archive of it or reference to when / where it was said.

    Yes they voted it down but there is no detail as to why. Its not that all parties didn't agree the NHS was required. They had all done that during the war and before Labour were in power. If there were oppositions, it wasnt because they didn't want it. It was because there was a lot of challenges from doctors, charities, churches and local authorities. There was also opposition within the Laboor Party. Ultimately changes were made and the bill passed. It is after all the whole point of Parliament. 

    These tweets just perpetuate a myth that the Labour Party have been dining on for 72 years.



  3. 7 hours ago, pete0 said:

    Stupid to say he's peaked. How many midfielders even start at his age to even show what they've got.

    Of the players in his position aged 23 and under there's; Gilmour, McTominay, Guendouzi, Fernandes, Ndombélé, Choudhuri, Ndidi, Tielemans, Rice, Longstaff, Cook, Douglas, Berge. 

    Out of all his age bracket I'd put him as the third best behind Tielemans and Ndidi. Technically Ndidi is more of a defensive mid so could even argue Davies is the second best up and coming centre mid. 

    He's also already got more to him than a few of the ones a little older too: Winks (24), Chalobah (25), Loftus-Cheek (24), Meyer (24). 

    Its more about experience than age IMO. Age is used as a marker for young players because it tends to suggest that they haven't played a lot but Davies has 100 games under his belt and about 4 seasons. That's a good number to see how far a player is going to go. I can't imagine too many players suddenly come on leaps and bounds after 100 top flight games. 

    There are plenty of 'meh' players in that group. I wouldn't say any of them were worse as such, just similar levels of average. I have seen enough of McTominay, Fernandes, Tielemans, Rice and Ndidi to say they are comfortably much better all round footballers with far less experience in the league (most of them). I like what I have seen from Gilmour too but its very early days and he is tiny.

    Winks is a similar average player, Chalobah has been plagued by injury and Loftus-Cheek has far more going for him if he could also stay fit. 

  4. 1 minute ago, c1982 said:

    I’d imagine there would be a release clause in many of the Bournemouth player’s contracts if they went down so in Ake’s case you’d imagine a fee similar to what they signed him for. Regardless, I don’t think Bournemouth would be able to afford keeping him in the Championship on the £100k or whatever he must be on so doubt he’d cost as much as what his market value really is. If they were to stay up, I think they’d be asking too much for him to be a worthwhile signing.

    Yeh very good point about the release clause, I hadn't thought about that.

    I am pretty sure they were asking for about £40-50 million in the summer window and whilst it may dip with relegation and Covid-19, unless there is a release clause, I dont see him going for too much less.

  5. 14 hours ago, pete0 said:

    He/they voted it down many times before eventually crumbling to pressure. I wouldn't call that being key. 

    What's misleading about it?


    Many bills are voted down because they don't like the way it is presented. It doesn't mean they disagree with the principle.

    The whole tweet is misleading because it suggests Churchill was against the concept, when in reality, and as with many doctors, it was the detail of the plan they didn't agree with. Ironically it would appear that was because it was partly down to the funding model and its hard to argue that they were wrong on that point! Furthermore I fear that the quote given is fabricated. The only places I can find it on the page you have linked and various other tweets or social media posts / websites. I cannot find a credible source to back up that quote. It would actually therefore be a complete lie, and I suspect it probably is without further evidence to the contrary.

  6. 5 hours ago, Hafnia said:

    It's all but but but.... he's not a kid any more.

    He isn't a proper defender.  When pep would sooner play otamendi it tells you everything. 

    He is not going to turn into a no nonsense defender. Mentally he hasn't got it, concentration is piss poor. 

    We need Everton to makevsteps forward, he offers nothing more than Mina - may be a bit better or whatever. Fact is neither are good enough. 

    For the sake of everyone, I will say we will just have to agree to disagree.

    5 hours ago, c1982 said:

    I’d prefer Ake from Bournemouth personally. Tidy with the ball but a much more aggressive defender. Yes, it looks like he’ll be relegated as part of an awful Bournemouth defence but I think Ancelotti could work wonders with him. He’s left footed too and offers versatility - both, we are lacking in.

    I would agree here as he would be a better fit for the team. I think he is the occasional naive moment but he has a lot on his plate at Bournemouth especially given the limitations of the players around him. Another bonus with Ake is that he is very quick.

    I don't know what price they are talking about with Stones but I expect you can double it for Ake. Coming from Chelsea originally, I don't expect his wages will be cheap either.


  7. He clearly sees the game far better than any midfielder we have or have had for a good few years but against Spurs he couldn't make a pass and his confidence dropped. I also imagine fatigue kicked in a fair bit as well. He also doesn't suit this way of playing in my opinion because 442 relies upon the midfield covering a lot of ground in support of the strikers and he isn't a player who can do that, especially with two equally as non-suiting players in Davies and Sigurdsson.

    He definitely isn't a consistent player and he also has confidence issues. I also have doubts about him generally playing 2 games in a week, let alone the turnaround now after the season he has had but that doesn't mean that he isn't still a very good player when the stars align. It's the managers challenge to get those stars in right order more often than not.

  8. 3 hours ago, BedfordBlue said:

    He has signed some real stinkers

    Iwobi got to be one of the worse signings ever Delph, Kean even Gomes is looking shit now 

    I'm excusing Gbamin that's just unlucky 

    I think there is a case of waiting and seeing on some of these. 

    Iwobi hasn't really had a run yet, he has been out with injury and he was signed for a different manager and system in mind. He looks scared of his shadow at the moment whereas he started the season looking a much more confident player. He is being asked to play like a wing back at the moment and its no surprise that whoever we play in those wider midfield positions is playing crap.

    Kean still has the world at his feet. If you think it has taken DCL 3 or 4 years to show enough to genuinely be considered a starting striker, its unrealistic to expect Kean to be much more than he is at the moment. He doesn't look like he will be the saviour up front that we hoped but it doesn't mean he can't still be a good player.

    A lot of fans would have been up in arms if Gomes wasn't signed after last years loan. He hasn't been the same since his injury (bar the first game back) but if you remember Coleman's return he was as good as ever and then his form dropped off a cliff before he came back to the player he has been this season. 

    Delph was and is a waste of money. I still don't get that one.

  9. 15 hours ago, Hafnia said:

    What's the excuse for him making ballsups in Southgates system too? The goal conceded against Holland?  It's a simple fact, the lad hasn't got it between the ears... why doesn't laporte struggle or even fermamdinho when asked to do a role there?  His mistake again at villa in the final and coy does a others....

    He makes stupid mistakes.  Yeah looks great when he's striding out with the ball.....  that's about it. 

    His "ballsups" largely came from over playing as opposed to basic defending as it was against Holland if I remember rightly. As you are aware though, he is only with England for a few days, its not like they are drilled tactically over time.

    Fernandinho does struggle as does Otamendi. Fernandinho has a great head on him but he still gets exposed.

    The Villa one is a great example because he is thinking too much about playing. He just has to deal with it, but he is conflicted. If he had played under Dyche or Allardyce do you think he would have contemplated not just clearing it into row z.

    5 hours ago, Matt said:

    Fact is he’s not a CB, he’s a DCM. 

    I would say he is best position would be as a sweeper. He definitely isn't mobile enough to play DM in my opinion.

  10. Whilst that article is correct about the problems in midfiedl its wide of the mark in respect of formation. We didn't really see a 433 last night, it was a strange starting 11 in shape.

    At 0.02 we defended deep into a 6 at the back with Iwobi and Davies widest, 2 central midfielders and 2 central attackers.

    at 0.12 we were defending in a 442 with two central attackers, which by the time the goal is eventually scored we had 9 men in our own box (versus 4 Spurs).

    at 0.58 we are in a very narrow 442 (Coleman ahead of the ball) and as we break you see Gomes and Davies fill in for Mina and Coleman staying in a 442 shape.

    When you go into the second half the same thing happens but with different players.

    The unusual thing about yesterdays set up was the interaction between Coleman and Davies. When attacking Coleman became the winger and Davies sat in as the right back. It makes sense because you wouldn't want Davies playing wide but why not play someone who can from the start? Had we attacked more down the other flank I am sure it would have been the same story.

  11. 49 minutes ago, Elston Gunnn said:

    I’m still thinking about this season, but the run-in part, not the Europa part.  Finish as high as possible, top half, long shot for 7-8, and if 7th gets us Europa, fine.  We can still move up, but only if we take 3 points away to both Wolves and Sheffield United.  Unlikely, and realistically, we’re closer to 14th than to 9th.  Goodison opponents are weaker teams, though Southhampton will see Thursday’s match as big opportunity in their goal to finish top half.  And Villa and Bournemouth will be desperate to stay up.

    With matches coming every 3 days, squad rotation is a big issue.  I guess Gomes, Davies, Sigurdsson are the CMs, so can’t start all 3.  If Gordon continues to impress, he’s a candidate for starting every match.  Give Digne a break soon, start Baines.  Give Coleman a break, if Kenny is available.  If absolutely necessary, play Cuco over Sidibé, who should get some time at RW, but is no RB.  How long is Holgate out?  Are we down to Keane and Mina for remainder of season?  Let Kean start for one of the strikers, sub him out in second half if he looks lost.

    Any chance Bernard would be more effective as a 10 than on wing?  Clever dribbler, maybe passer, but he is too easily physically overmatched isolated on wing.

    Squad rotation will be a big problem for us over the coming games. Gomes already looks leggy, Coleman is surely going to need to be rotated and if Richarlison keeps getting lumps kicked out of him, he probably will too.

    Im not sure Digne needs a break though, he has hardly been rampaging forward and he is in good form. If necessary I'd rather have Baines rotate with Coleman on the right given that the other options to play RB are... erm... dreadful.

    The midfield is a problem, a huge problem. Davies doesnt seem to cope with playing 2 games in 3 days, Siggy doesnt do anything anyway and Gomes is getting worse with every game. I would say Iwobi has much for going for him in midfield than Gordon. He might have run around a bit last night but he is weak and naive (as you would expect for a player of his age) and I don't see that being a position he can hold down.

    In respect of Bernard, I would argue the opposite. If they are kicking lumps of Richarlison when he drops into the 10 position, they will break poor little Bernie.

  12. On 05/07/2020 at 13:27, StevO said:

    Who said he’s better than Holgate? He’s definitely not. But if Carlo could get him defending properly, those two could be very good. But Stones has a lot to learn. 


    On 05/07/2020 at 15:02, Shukes said:

    Ye I don’t think he is better than Holgate, I was just quoting Bailey. Should have quoted him rather than type it out haha. 

    Don't get me wrong, Stones would need a bit of refocusing but I am amazed that anyone thinks that Stones isn't a better defender and footballer. 

    Holgate makes silly mistakes in a defensive system. You put Stones into that system and get him out of the play out at all times mentality he could easily be one of the best defenders in the league. His 1 v 1 defending for us was still some of the best I have seen, especially at someone that was his age. 

    10 hours ago, Hafnia said:

    If Pep can't get him defending and doing what he wants him to do, I doubt Carlo could.  Not to say pep is better than Carlo,  the fact is, he's been under the management of one of the best in the business, played alongside Kompany and still hasn't learned. 

    This is completely wrong. In Pep's system the centre backs are massively exposed. Stones in that position is playing on his two weaknesses. His will to play all the time and his pace. It was either going to make or break him in that he would learn how to overcome it or he would struggle. In fairness if he could stay fit, it would probably be him and Laporte every week. 

    If he plays for Carlo in a system like he did today he would look like a Rolls Royce barely breaking sweat. 

    I'd also add that there was a fairly long spell that Kompany was struggling under Pep too but that is forgotten because of how well he ended that last season.

  13. 4 hours ago, MikeO said:

    That's the thing though isn't it, had a Brazilian defender done it you'd think he meant it, but because it was Mason from Doncaster it was pure luck.

    No, I know he meant to play it to him, maybe not quite where he did, my point is that it was a poor decision because 99/100 its a turnover. 

    It was a poor decision and average ball made to look good by the work of Digne. 

    Anyways let's put this one on the agree to disagree pile. Might need a step ladder :)

  14. The most frustrating thing about that game is that Spurs were bloody awful and yet they didn't have to get out of 2nd gear to win. 

    Let's not beat around the bush though because this performance was largely the same as it has been since the restart. Restrictively defensive football that relies on Richarlison and DCL to win a second ball to get some possession.  We were so defensive today that when our full backs went forward all 3 of our central midfielders sat deep. We are playing football not to lose rather than trying to win. With only a couple of minutes left we only had 6 touches in the opposition box, but that's similar to previous matches, so its no surprise. 

    Pickford did make a mistake but it wasn't a biggie this time. He looks very low on confidence but still dealt with everything else. I am more annoyed by his decisions at the end to kick the ball long to the two smallest players on the pitch. 

    Digne had another good game. He didn't really get forward but he defended very well.

    Keane was the pick of the CBs, the other two doing OK on the whole.

    Coleman struggled a bit today. He just never had a grip of Son or Moura. 

    The less said about the midfield the better, Davies maybe the best of a bad bunch but he was crap, Gomes forgot which side he was playing for and Siggy looked more like a spectator than a player. 

    I actually saw a little hope in Iwobi. He picked up some positions between the lines to give and go, but very often noone gave it so it came to nothing. Im not sure how he was hooked over Siggy.

    Gordon came on a showed a bit of energy. He had one nice dribble and one drive and shot but his overall play was underwhelming again. 

    DCL was poor. Never in the game and when he did he fucked it. He just continues to show very naive decision making. Why on earth he tried forcing a pass to a marked Richarlison when he was in a couple of yards of space on the edge of the box is beyond me. 

    Richarlison looked like the one that was going to do something but that very rarely involved much that deep in Spurs half. Their plan seemed to be to stop him and it worked. He was the one trying to get the ball off the midfield, turn and do something. On the whole though he still didn't contribute a great deal. Unlike most though he looked as if he was trying to for some of the game.

    Of the other subs Sidibe was embarrassing and Kean at least showed something positive in this game, but it was mostly naivety. 

    I am going to struggle watching us if we keep playing like this. 

  15. 1 minute ago, dunlopp9987 said:

    Well that was just shambles. Players looked like they were fumbling around in the dark

    It really was. Plenty of chances to win the ball but no-one was aggressive enough. How Lo Celso had the time to chest it down for Son to run at us with that many bodies around him is beyond me. 

    Strange old formation this too, very defensive. Davies playing more like a right centre back when we attack.

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