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Was there any need for the last line? :dont know: Where did I say 'ALL' ?

Apparently because I have my own site Zoo can say what he wants according to the mods, so fire away zoo.

You're out of line pal. My opinion is that we look more like Wigan than Everton. If you don't agree, then fine, but who do you think you are constantly dishing out verbal attacks? Karma is a bitch mate, so you might want to keep your nasty comments to yourself.

You'll no doubt grow up in your own time like everybody else, but to me, you'll always be little squeaky Zoo, the annoying wannabe mod from Wrexham who couldn't handle not being important to me. I'll gladly stick you on ignore with pleasure.

Think about it. How many sunny days do we get in England and how many are grey and rainy?

Posted simply for posterity. It's not often you find the 2 worst contributors to this forum post one after the other. Don't try and beat people into line. This is a forum for debate. And Zoo, you are a nobody with a big mouth. Don't tell people who have been posting here for years to leave.

If only I could just count the sunny days I'd be a youngster again.

I give up.

You wrote: I think it's time to log off.

Ferguson has been a hugely successful manager, but for all his success, he has only managed one Prem team, who just so happened to be the richest Prem club for most of that time, so we won't know if he would have done anything at another club, especially a poor one like Everton. My guess is that Moyes will have success at United given time. He needs to know his players and how to use them. Saf had 26 years of adding to what he already knew, so it's fair to say Moyes will struggle at first, or anybody else. Let's see how Moyes and indeed Bobby are doing once the 25 players are of their choosing, as at the moment, Martinez is using Moyes' players, and Moyes is using Fergies.

He's not playing in the Moyes Era Zoo. When at the end of the season he has scored more than Yakubu did then you might have a point. Until then, it's speculation.

Do you think United without Van Persie and Rooney would be better than Everton with them? In other words, their attacking prowess was the main difference between our teams. The rest of our first eleven versus the rest of their first eleven would make an interesting discussion about who was best. Everton 'with' those 2 strikers would have won the league in my opinion last year.

Did Lukaku play well today Zoo?

Tonk, your United point is irrelevant. The debate is would Moyes have done it with Everton if he had Lukaku. Whatever he does at United has no bearing to the debate.

Firstly, let's stop bucking Lukaku up. He has scored 5 goals. He hasn't had a full season yet. Let's see how he does with the remaining games. Jelly started well too remember.

Playing well and getting 3 points. No?

United aren't Everton Tonk. The season also has another 28 games to go, so not sure you should write Moyes off too quickly. When we played last season, and a few before that, we played some outstanding football, but our strikers weren't finding the net. We drew 15 games and went on to miss top 4 by 10 points. I believe a better striker would have gotten us there.

That's why your opinion rarely interests me. There has to be a degree of entertainment value as a fan or why watch?

Hence my lucky manager comment. We don't have the players to play Ole football on a consistent basis. Once Martinez brings in players for that style he might get closer to where he wants to be. At the moment we are scraping results. To those who look at our results on match of the day or in the newspaper, our points tally may suggest we are playing well, but for those of us who watch every game we are hit or miss. 10 games in and not a single convincing performance over 90 minutes. We need a better squad, so the likes of Osman and Mirallas have real pressure to perform. I see us passing the ball about ok when things are going well for us, but a few bad passes and our arses twitch, and when we are pressed we can't play the passing game under pressure. Tactician wise, we play the same players every week, be it from the start, or as a sub, so not sure that shows much use of our squad. The same guys are getting taken off, yet they start again the following week. Mirallas has been subbed 7 times this season, yet still starts every game. I'd like Martinez to explain that one, as I remember fans used to slate Moyes for having his favourites.

What the hell do points have to do with performance?

A & B are childish Mogsy. I like Martinez, and I'm sure in time he will do well here, but at the moment I'm frustrated by comments that all is positive, because we are playing some pretty dire stuff. I don't think we've had a game yet were we have been good in both halves. That first half 'must' be taken into account, as should the 2nd half against City and so on. I'm the first to praise the players when we do well, but to accept a performance like today, is not I my locker, and it must be improved.

How is he playing the game the right way? I will agree he might be 'trying' to get us to play the game the right way, but we are 'not' doing it .

I gave myself a red mark too just to show how pathetic some people are who give rep instead of a reply. How can anybody say we are playing well? We are riding our luck, and there is a big difference.

Nope. Not joking at all. Some fans are easily pleased by the fact we are doing ok (7th) points wise, but we have to take the blinkers off and look at things honestly. Yes, we are picking points up, but our performances have been well below the standard that we were playing under Moyes. Take Lukaku away, and what have we done? Add Lukaku to Moyes team and we would have pushed that top 4. Not good enough by a long way, and those that think it's acceptable are letting themselves down.

Martinez is proving to be a lucky manager. That isn't a compliment. We need to rethink our strategy as we are starting to look more like Wigan than Everton.