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I want to know if there are any Everton fans out there who have not yet taken to James Beattie?

 

OK we all know he had a bad start with constant niggling injuries making him struggle to get fit. But that is history and just part of football.

 

But now he is fit and back to his normal game - I think he has been our most consistent player of the season so far.

 

Considering he missed the first 10 or so games his goal ratio of 7 in 18 Prems start is not bad considering he is playing a lot of the time as a lone striker.

 

His performance against Blackburn was superb, and typical of what he has given the team since he has been free of injuries.

 

I would say he has now earned the chance to wear our number 9 shirt next season.

 

Great buy Moyes, considering others are paying £6-7M for Crouch, Ashton and some young greek.

 

Now get a decent quality speed marchent to play off him this summer, and we will have a very good first choice forward line (Pull to stops out for AJ, if Palace don't come up - he has shown by staying with Palace for 12 months that he is also a decent charater with some integrety as well as a decent player)

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I've certainly taken to him. Think he is really doing the biz now

 

Really hope he continues with his game and stays injury free

 

Certainly dont think he lacks the effort, but I would like to see one of those 30 yards he has produced in the past :)

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Still dont rate him never have,never will tbh

 

Now what kind of attitude is that? Who knows what the future may hold for us and Beattie, he could end up one of our greatest strikers but you still wouldn't rate him? (ok I know a bit extreme that :P )

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I agree his work rate is second to none and his recent performances have made him one of our players of the season.

 

Defo need an AJ along side him or hopefully a Keane or Defoe.

 

Still needs to work on his finishing, he has missed a couple of easy ones this season. Wouldnt mind a couple of those 30 yarders he is famous for either ZED especially in front of the Kop!

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i've been very impressed with his work rate and his strength. as well as that he's been very good getting down the wing and getting some good balls in. unfortunately it's at those times he (or someone else) n eeds to be in the middle!

 

still lacks some of those instinctive finishes. he's had a few where he's had very little time to get the right shot off and has failed.

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i've been very impressed with his work rate and his strength.  as well as that he's been very good getting down the wing and getting some good balls in.  unfortunately it's at those times he (or someone else) n eeds to be in the middle!

 

still lacks some of those instinctive finishes.  he's had a few where he's had very little time to get the right shot off and has failed.

He's certainly improving but would like to see him drop a few more pounds and become more consistent but he's on his way....

Haven't consulted the stats but has he now scored more (or as many) Premier goals as Crouch, Morientes, Fowler, Pongolle and Cisse combined? If not, it can't be that far off! ;)

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Playing better but still undecided.

 

His effort in the last few games has been second to none. Chasing the ball down all the time he is on the pitch.

 

Getting there though

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Playing better but still undecided.

 

His effort in the last few games has been second to none. Chasing the ball down all the time he is on the pitch.

 

Getting there though

 

 

he's getting better but he misses more than he gets and thats not a good sign. he puts in the effort and he's strong. the goal he got against chelsea he just seemed to walk thru defenders.

 

but 7 goals in 18 games is distinctly average. let see his total at the end of the season.

 

i still think andy Johnson of crystal palace would be a good buy. if palace dont get promoted this year i think he'll be available.

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I don't think 7 in 18 is distincitiely average to be honest - 1 every 2.6 games is not a bad strike rate, especially in an Everton team who don't score many as a team, so I think he goal ratio also may suffer becasue of the the way the team play.

 

But strike rate to one side, its his all around work for the team that is helping us keep other teams out. He is working his socks off, there are plenty of forward out there who score more goals, but offer little else to a team. We may have a striker who scores more but as a conceqence to that we may conceed more.

 

With regard to missing more than he gets - I think that is the case for most strikers to be honest, its just we have a more microscopic critic of our own player. So we will always feel our player miss more chances than any other becasue it has a bigger impact on us personnally.

 

I also don't think Beattie get that many chances if front of goal either, as he plays up front a lot on his own - a lot of the time he is involved in making chances rather than finishing them. As a lone striker, defenders concentrate on keeping him out. So he draws defenders, giving the likes of Osman and Cahill more chances.

 

Sometimes you have to look at the whole picture to make a judgement on a player. Beattie offer so much more to our team than goals, and it would be unfair to judge him on that alone.

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He has missed a couple of close range efforts that I wouldnt call sitters by any means, but he certainly doesnt miss more than he gets

 

Arent we all being too critical

 

Personally, I think in the past couple of months at the very least he has been playing really well if not longer

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Agree and disagree, he is doing what bent done last season and perhaps more in his work rate and you cant faulter him for that he gives 110% each game, which is what we want.

 

Our expectation levels are higher given he is our record signing and he does miss some of the easier chances that come his way, I dont think we can argue with that. He shows great link up play and the midfielders score more from him (how many assists has he got this season) but he also breaks up play and pressurises opposition defenders must be frightening to see his man boobs coming towards you at full spead.

 

Current strike Ratio will provide 15 goals a season which IMO is good considering:

 

He is playing alone upfront

When was the last time one of our strikers score 10+ in a season

The work rate he puts in for the team

 

We just need a more clinical striker like the ones mentions above to play along side him and then we will see the benifits of Beattie, I for one am happy we signed him and am glad he is proving his critics wrong and im sure before he ends his Everton career Fozzie will say he is good aswell!

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Fantastic Player, Especially now he's scored 5 goals at park end :P:P :P :P and 3 at glawdys hahahaaha :P:lol:

 

none away from home though, that needs resolving.

 

IMO he's been playing well since The Chelsea Game when he scored the pen, our 1st league home goal of the season, hes been putting 110% effort in ever since.

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now that is a good argument.

 

sven whould play BT in a frendly for a full 90mins IN A STRIKER ROLE. see how he does because alot of the english players in this league arnt being given the chance when they should ( stwert downing prime example)

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He has missed a couple of close range efforts that I wouldnt call sitters by any means, but he certainly doesnt miss more than he gets

 

Arent we all being too critical

 

Personally, I think in the past couple of months at the very least he has been playing really well if not longer

 

 

he has missed a lotta games and thats another bad sign, but it does make his goal scoring average better. every layoff is bad for a striker, he losed a bit of match sharpness.

 

no-one doubts that he's a hard worker, but he's paid for scoring goals and i think we're looking for around 20 a season from a top striker.

 

we'll have to wait and see how he finishes this season.

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BT's workrate and scoring is coming good since regaining to full fitness.

 

Scoring 7 vital league goals for the Toffees this season, comparing to last season in which he scored only 1 league goal.

 

He might end up as Toffees top scorer end of this season, with 10-15 goals if he can keep himself out of injuries.

 

Keep it going, BT.

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he has missed a lotta games and thats another bad sign, but it does make his goal scoring average better. every layoff is bad for a striker, he losed a bit of match sharpness.

 

no-one doubts that he's a hard worker, but he's paid for scoring goals and i think we're looking for around 20 a season from a top striker.

 

we'll have to wait and see how he finishes this season.

 

Is anyone old enough to remember a striker/player who scored 20 goals in the league for us.

 

My guess is that it was Tony Cottee, or may have even been before his time

 

What do yas think?

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he has missed a lotta games and thats another bad sign, but it does make his goal scoring average better. every layoff is bad for a striker, he losed a bit of match sharpness.

 

no-one doubts that he's a hard worker, but he's paid for scoring goals and i think we're looking for around 20 a season from a top striker.

 

we'll have to wait and see how he finishes this season.

 

Sorry don't agree, you need to look more at the whole picture, the way Everton player, and Beattie's role upfront. Just becasue he is a striker, he is not just in the team to score goal.

 

Moyes has bought him to get his fair share of goals - and as our top scorer you have to say his doing this.

 

There are striker out there whos main purpose is to score goals, and can pretty much do little else all game. Beattie is not that type of striker he holds the ball up well and make chances for surporting midfeilders, so to this end he will get less of the chances as he is involved in other parts of the play. You can't be in two places at once.

 

So saying he is paid to score goals is slightly naive.

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Sorry don't agree, you need to look more at the whole picture, the way Everton player, and Beattie's role upfront. Just becasue he is a striker, he is not just in the team to score goal.

 

Moyes has bought him to get his fair share of goals - and as our top scorer you have to say his doing this.

 

There are striker out there whos main purpose is to score goals, and can pretty much do little else all game. Beattie is not that type of striker he holds the ball up well and make chances for surporting midfeilders, so to this end he will get less of the chances as he is involved in other parts of the play. You can't be in two places at once.

 

So saying he is paid to score goals is slightly naive.

 

Agree with Rob here plus he has score 40% of our goals this season which isnt bad its not as if we as team are scoring a shed load of goals, tho beattie has contributed to this with some misses

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It was my understanding that we paid 6 mill for a goalscorer..so that arugument doesnt hold up.

 

He is(supposed) to be a professional so given that fact he should be able to adapt to any formation asked of him in a reasonble ammount of time..say 6-8 games..not take the best part opf a year to settle in.

 

And crowing about how he's scored 40% of evertons goals this season shows how poor we've been till recently.

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It was my understanding that we paid 6 mill for a goalscorer..so that arugument doesnt hold up.

 

He is(supposed) to be a professional so given that fact he should be able to adapt to any formation asked of him in a reasonble ammount of time..say 6-8 games..not take the best part opf a year to settle in.

 

And crowing about how he's scored 40% of evertons goals this season shows how poor we've been till recently.

 

Come on Fozzie, we all know that he had niggling injury problems for the first 9 months at the club and just never got match fit - I am sure you are old and wise enough to know these sorts of things can happen to any player at any level and at any club- 'shIt happens' as they say. So to harp on about his fitness/contribution/form/goal scoring record during those first 9 months is really a bit old hat now - and you should really move on, Beattie has.

 

You say he paid £6.5M for a goal scorer, but you could say striker or even forward who gives more than goals to a team.

 

Moyes has bought (on purpose in my opinion) a FORWARD who provides more than just goals to a team, his work rate up front has been excellent for the team - but not as measurable as goals scored. Earnshaw scores goals, but as a forward player he is pants.

 

And what this about (suppossed) to be proffessional - Has he pi55ed you off personally somehow to be so down on him even after his consistency of performances since November. I would say this lad has a great attitude and I for one am glad he wears the blue shirt as he gives it his all in all the games he plays in.

 

You seem to have a bit of a grude against the lad, as if he picked up those injuries on purpose during his first 9 months at the club.

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I have not been a beattie fan at all since he joined, although he has improved in recent weeks.....

 

I said when bent left that he would end the season with more goals than beattie and while that was asking a bit much (given beattie's headstart) I still think he will end up with as many from the time he joined charlton.....and although many will argue that this is either because charlton create more chances or because beattie has to often drop deeper, one could also argue that bent will have to share the goal's with, er, bent.....

 

so far, they have both scored 2 from 5 --- beattie's form has improved but so has bent's now that he is being given a chance.....

 

my point, is that beattie at 6 million or bent at 2.5 million, I'm still not totally convinced --- and bear in mind we cannot judge beattie on his future potential or golden spell at southampton. Thus far, he has not shown to be worth 6 million, probably half that.

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Come on Fozzie, we all know that he had niggling injury problems for the first 9 months at the club and just never got match fit - I am sure you are old and wise enough to know these sorts of things can happen to any player at any level and at any club- 'shIt happens' as they say. So to harp on about his fitness/contribution/form/goal scoring record during those first 9 months is really a bit old hat now - and you should really move on, Beattie has.

 

You say he paid £6.5M for a goal scorer, but you could say striker or even forward who gives more than goals to a team.

 

Moyes has bought (on purpose in my opinion) a FORWARD who provides more than just goals to a team, his work rate up front has been excellent for the team - but not as measurable as goals scored. Earnshaw scores goals, but as a forward player he is pants.

 

And what this about (suppossed) to be proffessional -  Has he pi55ed you off personally somehow to be so down on him even after his consistency of performances since November. I would say this lad has a great attitude and I for one am glad he wears the blue shirt as he gives it his all in all the games he plays in.

 

You seem to have a bit of a grude against the lad, as if he picked up those injuries on purpose during his first 9 months at the club.

 

 

As i've said a million times he was not fit when he signed

 

So why did we sign him????

 

And for 6 million they must have seen us coming from miles away.

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As i've said a million times he was not fit when he signed

 

So why did we sign him????

 

And for 6 million they must have seen us coming from miles away.

 

If we didn't sign him when we did somebody else would have - No question. - and then you would be coming out with "Moyes dithering in the market again"

 

£6M was his market value at the time - that what anyone else would have had to pay - he is an experienced Premiership forward, who is also a grafter. A list of some of the money paid over the last couple of years for 'established' strikers in the Beattie bracket.

 

Cisse - £10M

Yakubu - £7.5M

Crouch - £7M

Ashton - £7.25M

Bellemy - £5M

Morientez -£6.5M

Defoe -£7M

Heskey - £6.5M

Drogba - £23M

 

I really don't see what you mean by - they saw us coming from miles away. Do you HONESTLY believe after what he produced of the previouse two year with Southampton in the Prem - Beattie is not in the bracket of the strikers above.

 

I know he wan't 100% fit when we bought him- but he was leaving Southampton in January 2005 whatever, and I for one am glad we didn't miss the boat on that transfer.

 

Bar none of the list above I think pound for pound he is the best player to fit in to the way Moyes's team play.

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If we didn't sign him when we did somebody else would have - No question. - and then you would be coming out with "Moyes dithering in the market again"

 

£6M was his market value at the time - that what anyone else would have had to pay - he is an experienced Premiership forward, who is also a grafter. A list of some of the money paid over the last couple of years for 'established' strikers in the Beattie bracket.

 

Cisse - £10M

Yakubu - £7.5M

Crouch - £7M

Ashton - £7.25M

Bellemy - £5M

Morientez -£6.5M

Defoe -£7M

Heskey - £6.5M

Drogba - £23M

 

I really don't see what you mean by - they saw us coming from miles away. Do you HONESTLY believe after what he produced of the previouse two year with Southampton in the Prem - Beattie is not in the bracket of the strikers above.

 

I know he wan't 100% fit when we bought him- but he was leaving Southampton in January 2005 whatever, and I for one am glad we didn't miss the boat on that transfer.

 

Bar none of the list above I think pound for pound he is the best player to fit in to the way Moyes's team play.

 

Well put, i think Fozzie's on blob this week hopefully the hormones will have calmed down next week.

 

See the Fozzie post in Off Topic Discussions if you want to try and help him out :P

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We could have ashton for a couple of mill at the time of the bt transfer

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If we didn't sign him when we did somebody else would have - No question.

 

Villa and us had a gentlemens agreement that we both bid the same price and offer the same package to the player and leave it up to the player so that we dont get into a bidding war

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We could have ashton for a couple of mill at the time of the bt transfer

 

 

I was waiting for that fozzie - Ashton was not a proven Premiership striker at that time - so I am afraid that argument hold no water - Now he's played less than 20 games in the Prem and scored a few goals over a very short period he is worth £7.5M.

 

You are not comparing apples with apples Fozzie, when you talk of his £3M transfer, you have to go on his latest transfer fee to compare him to Beattie.

 

All the players I listed and their fees where for stiker proven at the top level in their respective leagues (if from overseas). i.e the bracket Beattie is in.

 

Its like now comparing Robbie Keane vs Nugent as targets. Proven Keane for £6m or unproven Nugent for £3M.

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I was waiting for that fozzie -  Ashton was not a proven Premiership striker at that time - so I am afraid that argument hold no water - Now he's played less than 20 games in the Prem and scored a few goals over a very short period he is worth £7.5M.

 

You are not comparing apples with apples Fozzie, when you talk of his £3M transfer, you have to go on his latest transfer fee to compare him to Beattie.

 

All the players I listed and their fees where for stiker proven at the top level in their respective leagues (if from overseas). i.e the bracket Beattie is in.

 

Its like now comparing Robbie Keane vs Nugent as targets. Proven Keane for £6m or unproven Nugent for £3M.

Just a thought

 

Was Cahil proven premiership player when he joined?

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Agree with Rob here plus he has score 40% of our goals this season...

 

unfortunately that says as much about our other 'strikers' as it does about BT!

 

weve still gotta negative goal record! thats not a great reference.

 

but he's putting in the effort and i hope he does get a lot more goals and a chance to get into the world cup.

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Hardly a shocker is it?

 

 

If BT carries on playing like that of late - then he could pip somebody to a world cup place - but its unlikely. He is a good player and he is finding his feet. Most of my RS mates would swap him for Morientes or crouch at the drop of a hat.

 

He is starting to impress and I think, when Moyes pulls the finger out and signs another striker, BT will come good.

 

Top quality!

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