Louis Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Knowsley Council will be the stadium operators and they will directly negotiate the sub-lease terms with Everton. Keith Wyness has called it a "peppercorn rent" but has still not given an exact sum. Tesco will sign a 999 year lease for the land from Knowsley Council and Everton FC will sub-lease from Tesco. So we will be paying Tesco rent for using the stadium. Also any maintenance that the stadium requires will be Everton's responsibility and not Tesco or KMBC. No one mentioned this before.. From official questions - http://stadium.evertonfc.com/news/questions-answered.php : Andrew O’Neill: You state in the FAQs you will have a 999 year lease which is free hold and as far as I am aware. Any lease be it 99 or 999 years is classed as lease hold and therefore subject to a yearly payment. Can you advise what this cost per year would be? Keith Wyness: It will be a peppercorn rent which is yet to be determined. Peppercorn rent is a very small amount. and from http://stadium.evertonfc.com/faq.php: 7. Will we own any new stadium? We will have a 999-year lease which is, effectively, a freehold ownership. He didn't lie but I don't think he told the whole truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everton_Worshiper Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 A peppercorn payment could be £1, so a total of £999 hardly going to break the bank. BUT aprreciate what you are trying to say, choice of words used was very clever, never actually commits to whether it is freehold or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 My argument on this has always been that a football club owns the ground and it's name. Nothing else. Managers come and go, players come and go, even directors come and go. But the ground and the name are sacrosanct. Everton are giving away one of the things that make them Everton. No I do not want to leave Goodison, but I will go with the vote as it is. I just wish that for two reasons it was not the Kirkby project. 1) I want Everton to retain ownership of the stadium. 2) I do not want to leave Liverpool, it is like running away from the 'other lot' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_webby Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 they are the same 2 reasons i am against moving to kirby but i am not against a move. we need a move but i dont think this deal is right one for the club (money wise yes but for the club no). i've just had a quick look and had to register but found out that a peppercorn sauce in tesco is worth 44p so that means we would get the lease for £439.56 which soesn't sound to bad lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randomness Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 well that fact was strangely ommitted from the propagander given with the ballot form! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everton_Worshiper Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 My argument on this has always been that a football club owns the ground and it's name. Nothing else. Managers come and go, players come and go, even directors come and go. But the ground and the name are sacrosanct. Everton are giving away one of the things that make them Everton. No I do not want to leave Goodison, but I will go with the vote as it is. I just wish that for two reasons it was not the Kirkby project. 1) I want Everton to retain ownership of the stadium. 2) I do not want to leave Liverpool, it is like running away from the 'other lot' Agree with number 1. Don't agree with number 2. What if you took the other view that we have now grown and there simply is not room for both clubs in the city - the council already biased towards liverpool, so lets move home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Agree with number 1.Don't agree with number 2. What if you took the other view that we have now grown and there simply is not room for both clubs in the city - the council already biased towards liverpool, so lets move home. I can see your point there, however Manchester have two top flight teams and there is room for them both in Manchester. (Obviously I can not comment about Birmingham as they are a bit short of top flight teams. And London is a different kettle of fish altogether.) I do think there is room for two big teams in Liverpool. But perhaps two top stadiums is a bit tight. I don't think this is the case myself, but I bow to the opinion of others. I have always thought that as the East Lancs goes right up to Queens Drive in all but name, and it is a dual carriageway. Why not build along there? Walton Hall Park? Liverpool have Stanley Park. Or even a little further along. The site of the old English Electric factory is pretty big. And there are other places between these. I may be a bit suspicious here but I am certain there is some ulterior motive for this Kirkby move. I simply can not put my support behind it. AND there is the question of Stadium ownership that really annoys the hell out of me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 On 10/06/2008 at 00:29, rubecula said: My argument on this has always been that a football club owns the ground and it's name. Nothing else. Managers come and go, players come and go, even directors come and go. But the ground and the name are sacrosanct. Everton are giving away one of the things that make them Everton. No I do not want to leave Goodison, but I will go with the vote as it is. I just wish that for two reasons it was not the Kirkby project. 1) I want Everton to retain ownership of the stadium. 2) I do not want to leave Liverpool, it is like running away from the 'other lot' I think this was possibly my first ever post on the site. Shukes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 And it was a good one Rubes. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 3 minutes ago, Bill said: And it was a good one Rubes. Been downhill ever since. Shukes, Romey 1878 and rubecula 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 sometimes I speak with my heart, and sometimes my head Mike. eg my heart tells me to call you a bastard, but my head tells me that that way lies madness. Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 Out of curiosity I went back and looked up my first few posts on the forums. My first was in the introduction thread. The rest were pretty much all arguments with Avin (haha). rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 13 minutes ago, tonkaroost said: Out of curiosity I went back and looked up my first few posts on the forums. My first was in the introduction thread. The rest were pretty much all arguments with Avin (haha). I can not believe that Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 35 minutes ago, rubecula said: sometimes I speak with my heart, and sometimes my head Mike. eg my heart tells me to call you a bastard, but my head tells me that that way lies madness. You're missing another important part of your anatomy which does the majority of the talking rubecula and MikeO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 Just now, Matt said: You're missing another important part of your anatomy which does the majority of the talking BASTARD Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 20 minutes ago, rubecula said: BASTARD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 31 minutes ago, Matt said: Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 Interesting choice there, considering my initial comment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 6 minutes ago, Matt said: Interesting choice there, considering my initial comment that is why I chose it Matt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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