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The stadium decision is expected to be announced tomorrow..

 

it could be called in delaying it up to a year/killing it or it could not which would see stadium construction begin pretty much immediately (it's already behind schedule).

 

If it's not announced don't be complaining :P

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I'm in the opposite corner to yourself - no surprise there hey! ;). I'm confident of a call-in but not 100% (maybe around 60%).

 

There are people high up at Knowsley Council who have spoken out against it, some of whom have lost their jobs since speaking out.

 

The final submission for the transport plan was in my opinion inadequate, the government are trying to encourage green solutions for stadiums at the moment and this one is largely car reliant (despite the nearest car parks being 30-45minute walk away).

 

Too many local councils oppose it, private companies like Grosvenor, Aintree Racecrouse, Bootles shopping centre (The Strand?) and St. Modwens oppose it.

 

Tesco have led the development and they've said to the government "we know it breaks planning legislation but we will bring jobs to Kirkby", the residents opposing the development have said that the jobs created will be of lower quality than those they are replacing from surrounding areas. If the planning application is approved the precedent will be set which will allow Tesco to build what they liked because they say they will bring jobs to the area. Because of competition laws it'll allow Asda, Morrisons, Co-op and Somerfield etc. to do the same.

 

The Tesco jobs are not guaranteed to Kirkby residents for any longer than x months. I think it was 6 months from the top of my head.

 

Part of the application is that the existing shops in the area get an upgrade but this won't be until 2012/2014 and even then it isn't guaranteed that they will be spruced up.

 

Plus CABE have dismissed the plans as a "lost opportunity" and have recommended a public inquiry.

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To be honest not worried about if Kirkby happens or not the thing that worries me is the short term problem and regardless of what people at Everton have said this must have an effect on Everton in the short term and transfers.

 

Can see very limited signings coming in now.

 

At the end of the day the club said that transfers were not connected to the stadium but no transfer have come in before the decision so make of it what you will

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To be honest not worried about if Kirkby happens or not the thing that worries me is the short term problem and regardless of what people at Everton have said this must have an effect on Everton in the short term and transfers.

 

Can see very limited signings coming in now.

 

At the end of the day the club said that transfers were not connected to the stadium but no transfer have come in before the decision so make of it what you will

 

As usual..The one logical decision that can help us and our club in the long term pushes us back again. Is it surprising really? As for the people who didnt want the move out of the city boundaries...Well you have your wish, but its the long term progression of our club that suffers. We will either give up on this and back to square one again or do this but be even more behind schedule. Transfers and investment will suffer and again we will be the subject of negative publicity whilst the red shite swan through there new ground and sign quality players.

 

Can we get some good news at any point this pre-season as since the end of last Its been bad news, shit results and losing players.

 

I dont post much and sorry to be a bit negative but as a supporter who loves there club it hurts, but like any real SUPPORTER Ill back them no matter what

 

As usual its all smiles being a blue. :(

 

WCT ;)

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Well at least KEIOC get to change their logo to a picture of a downward spiral around the Everton crest (that would be my suggestion for their logo anyway).

 

Seriously though, too much bad/negative press for any potential investors to want to step in. Indeed times are very dark ahead...

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NO new stadium

NO backer with millions

NO contract for moyes

NO proper CEO

NO signings

 

The club is moving in the right direction i belive

 

could have been a move that put EFC on the map but we shall settle to be a mid table side with average players as Goodison crumbles around are pitch

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where do we go from here?? i would imagine planning something else will put us years behind everyone. we have been planning this for 2 years without a brick being laid. if its back to the drawing board then how long can we expect to wait? its now looking like we are going to have no new serious capital coming in to the club in the foreseeable future so i cant expect moyes to hang around over the next few years while everton try and plan another stadium. he is still a young and hungry manager so im sure he will go to some club whose ambition matches his. kenwright, having failed twice on the stadium front, i expect will stand down.

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where do we go from here? We let the people so opposed to a move to find us a financially viable location, with the interests of the club (not the location) in mind that won't bankrupt us. I wait glued to my seat to see what they would do now....

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where do we go from here? We let the people so opposed to a move to find us a financially viable location, with the interests of the club (not the location) in mind that won't bankrupt us. I wait glued to my seat to see what they would do now....

 

 

Exactly. Short sightedness and nostalgic feeling may cost us being a big club again...Lets just stay at Goodison and gradually perform at a level that our finances and turnover allow....Hope people are happy to be a mid table club, but at least we are still at Goodison! :blink:

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im guessing the people upset by this never really looked at the inplications of kirkby anyway.

if anybody still thought the stadium was free, or that we would have a top quality stadium, or that congestion wouldnt be a nightmare, then rest assured, deal of the century was far from it.

 

and rest assured, as Goodison may not be modern, its not falling down around the pitch!

 

maybe now kenwright will start looking the plan b and plan c he mentioned at the last agm.

 

you want to be remembered bill, now keiths reign (and exclusivity agreement) are pretty much out of the way, you have your chance to step up to the plate and show your doubters what your capable of!

 

Exactly. Short sightedness and nostalgic feeling may cost us being a big club again...Lets just stay at Goodison and gradually perform at a level that our finances and turnover allow....Hope people are happy to be a mid table club, but at least we are still at Goodison! :blink:

 

what made you think kirkby would bring us all the riches? does increased debt not play a factor in the clubs finances?

nostalgia is not a factor i even consider, and by my understanding KEIOC are the same.

Goodison For Ever-ton are the nostalgic ones

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we manged to stumble upon one of the most talented managers in these isles at a time when financially things were bleak. we were still recovering from the peter johnson period and large amounts of money were not available. certainly not on a scale that was available to our rivals. it is no fluke that he managed to turn us into the most stable team outside the sky 4. lose him we are fooked.

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if the club is still trying to sort out any problems from peter johnson then that is serious mismanagement, should have been long sorted by now.

 

 

when moyes took over the team is what i meant.

 

i'm changing the subject of the topic. this is supposed to be about the stadium decision. i just see moyes contract decision being linked to it. call me paranoid.

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From Knowsley Council site:

 

Kirkby transformation 'called in' for public inquiry. A £400m scheme which could transform Kirkby for future generations could be jeopardised by delays.

 

The application, brought by Tesco, is to create a new 50,000-seater stadium for Everton Football Club together with new shops, restaurants, a hotel and offices, creating more than 2,300 jobs.

 

It was referred to the Government Office North West in June this year after Knowsley’s planning committee recommended it for approval. It has now been called in for a Public Inquiry and the lengthy delays this will create could place the project at risk.

 

The Leader of Knowsley Council, Councillor Ron Round, said: “We are extremely disappointed as a Public Inquiry will delay the development – indeed this delay, in the current economic climate, places the entire project in jeopardy. From all of the consultation we have carried out, we believe that the majority of local residents are in favour of transforming Kirkby. The local elections in May this year gave the Council a clear mandate to continue with the scheme.”

 

“We have searched long and hard for years to attract the right investor to Kirkby and this scheme cannot be equalled. At this point in time, there is no plan B for Kirkby and no plan B for Everton Football Club. We will do all we can to keep the scheme alive and make sure the future of Kirkby is not put at risk.”

 

The Public Inquiry is expected to be held within the next 12 months.

 

Tesco originally submitted its planning application in January this year and the application has resulted in the borough’s largest-ever consultation exercise. At each stage, the views of residents and neighbouring authorities were taken into account.

 

The Leader of the Council added: “It was disappointing that some neighbouring authorities continued to object despite the improvements they requested having been made to the scheme. Their continued objections, therefore, could only have been for political reasons.

 

“It is particularly regrettable that some community leaders in Merseyside seemed unable to do the right thing for the Merseyside sub-region, which was to put aside their personal views in relation to Everton Football Club.

 

“This will only serve to damage the reputation of the region and undermine investment in Merseyside in the future.”

 

EDITOR’S NOTE

 

The plans were recommended for approval in June and, due to the nature of the development, referred to the Government Office North West for approval.

 

The scheme would more than 2,300 jobs, including 350 which Tesco has earmarked for long-term unemployed Knowsley residents.

 

Kirkby would also benefit from large-scale environmental improvements.

 

The development would attract an extra 1.2m visitors to Knowsley every year, spending an additional £13.6m in the local economy.

 

Local supply chains would be boosted, with up to £900,000 of orders per year with local businesses.

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I'm really concerned now, more so than I have been in years. How could we go from such optimism in May to this bleakness? I would have reservations about moving outside the city boundaries, but it seemed short of redeveloping GP there was no viable prospect on the table as an alternative to DK. Kenwright's SSN interview yesterday would not have fooled me one bit, have seen it all before with lies on a far greater scale. Outside of the footballing element, have Kenwright and Co. actually ever succeeded at anything on a purely business level???

 

Now 2 failed new stadium attempts, the Fortress farce, the NTL cock-up, the resignations of two CEO's, public fallings-out between board members, poor corporate sponsorship and marketing, Bellefield, increasing debt, one of the lowest net transfer spends in the Premiership ETC ETC ETC ETC.

 

If ultimate;y have have to suffer to have these people removed then so be it - it is now abundantly clear we will never progress with the likes of Bill and his false mates first Gregg, now Earl. Is there any Evertonian anywhere with a sufficiently high public profile to speak for us all and say this just has to end. I'm sick and tired of this. It almost has an air of inevitability too. Build our hopes us and then take them away in the space of 12 weeks. Don;t bet on new signings. I'm sure I will be like 1000's of others logging on here at 11:55 pm on August 31st to see if we have managed a loan signing.

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Considering The will against the move was soooo popular as we were allways told by KEIOC.... its good to see TWO of you on here showing how pleased you our with the decision to call in Project Kirkby.....

 

What if everything WAS tied into Kirkby................

 

No Moyes

No Players

No Investment

 

Bad Times

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make that 3, i dont think the oldest club in the city should be located outside the city. whilst i've been supportive of the departed wyness and bill (see old treads) previously, they should have a plan to take everton forward, that included moyes, transfers and investment..that is their job and they would have failed if they havent realise that a plan b is required.

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well from your logic louis.......Every thing that has been said by DM, BK,KW has been judeged to be lies............. so why not

 

Ive allways said im not a lover of BK but I am a realist.... why should they tell you or me what their dealings are... Its a business.

Things like BK on SSN i think was a PR stunt.... what way thats going to go I wouldnt have a clue.

 

Im Not for / against Kirkby but do think we need to move ASAP.. Many things said about Kirkby may or may not be true... but im sure the goal is to be more profitable.............again, why should he tell you or me........

 

A profitable club... you all seem to forget......

 

gets better players

generally has more success

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honestly though, do you think we can fill 55,000 staduim every week, as much as i'm proud of my club, i'm honest too.. at this juncture i dont think we can.. city et al (obvoisuly with a bit more tradtion and class).

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Do you forget "ferguson is god" that we have already had two plans IN liverpool fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Did you forget the outcry against johnson for trying to move to aintree

 

Did you forget the outcry from "Goodison for everton" when we tried to move to the kings dock...

 

Do you remeber LCC fucking us off in all atempts to build in the city including the above..?????

 

It wasnt until we called their bluff that they actually gave a fuck......

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make that 3, i dont think the oldest club in the city should be located outside the city. whilst i've been supportive of the departed wyness and bill (see old treads) previously, they should have a plan to take everton forward, that included moyes, transfers and investment..that is their job and they would have failed if they havent realise that a plan b is required.

 

I initially was into moving from Goodison but Kirkby was sold on lies. I can only see Kirkby as a bad move for the future of Everton, it wasn't the best of Stadiums and how did we propose to fill a 50,000 stadium when we don't fill a 40,000 Goodison? Where was the extra fans going to come from? I'm distressed that we were allegedly having to stump up 78m as part of the funding when we were told we would get it for practically nothing. I know 78m was probably going to be bad ass loans and investments so surely we should have a few bob for players if this plan is over? I'm not an idiot and suggesting we should have 78m to spend but surely it must free up some money?

 

Goodison ain't the worse stadium in the country but if the shite are going to leave Anfield then maybe we should claim our old home back and re-develop it? Can't cost that much can it and it holds more than Lady Goodison?

 

Its not all doom and gloom Everton will be around a lot longer than you and I. If we want to succeed stop the negativity and get behind our boys lets p off Liverpool by breaking into the top four, I still think this is a goal with the team we have and expect big things considering we lost Yakubu, Pienaar, and Yobo at crucial stages of last season due to ACON.

 

We still have Arteta, Cahill, Yakubu, Lescott, and Tim Howard, all match winners in there own right.

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Check out the comments on KEIOC.net ha ha

 

im not gonna agree with slaggin each other off but ..... its good reading

 

Nice to see some suporters of Project Kirkby too.... considering there were not ment to be many..... ha ha

 

I especially like this one from a MR Stephen Griffen

 

"TODAY IS AS GOOD AS WINNING A TROPHY FOR PROPER EVERTONIAN FAMILIES."

 

I take it thats from one of the bunch that wouldnt step foot in Kirkby to watch the Blues hey... Proper fans Hey

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really? i never heard him express an interest one way or the other

 

on one of the uefa games on itv he was interviewed in the little videos they play in the build up. his only reply was "im a traditionalist"

plus he was happy to pose for pictures with KEIOC flags, one member on here has it as his sig. could have been really bad PR if pushed on this.

before dangermouse jumps on me, im not saying he was in support of KEIOC but if he was for the move it would have been a bad step getting on them photos.

 

DangerMouse are you saying they are not real fans because they oppose the move to kirkby? because they expect the truth from the club?

and you say the club dont need to be honest because they are a business? well, they need to be honest to the shareholders do they not? and just so you know, they were not honest to the shareholders, just as they were not honest to everyone else. but that doesnt matter, real fans like you will accept that, because thats what real fans do.

 

i understand you opinion of we need to move ASAP, sort of, but its that common opinion that has been exploited into accepting second best.

 

mikels left tezzer - damn good post, well thought out it seems, and put forward very well

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No i dont say there not proper fans.... but comments were coming out like " ill never set foot in kirkby to watch the blues"

 

Just reading some of the posts on KEIOC you can see things just turning into a slanging match...... must admit i had a go at stairing it up a little though ha ha

 

As far as DM goes....... ha ha well i think hes got to his own thoughts and opinions so, no i wont be having a go this time....

 

At least AJ has gone.....and maybe we may have a signing or three when i get up in the morning.....just a bit optomistic there

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dangermouse...you are a man after my own heart. it is as if you typed the thoughts from my head!

 

the people who say today, well yesterday, was a god day are really strange people. they are pleased as a club we didn't pogress. hmmm...

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yes but opinion is divided. for some it will be progress albeit in a strange 1 step forward 2 steps back kind of way.

 

in the short term kirkby might have been a good option, but in 30 years time when everton are know as the kirkby kesrals, the 100+ years of history would have been dismissed and the fan base would have been limited to kirkby and the localised surrounding area. i only see less and less people attending and the club fading away. we would end up simlar to MK dons, and without the right investment probably in a worst situation with the debt of the stadium around our necks.

 

i just think about why i have gone the match when for the past 25 we've been more shit than good, it is to do with the tradition, the history and my community rather than the trophies that we should have won. Goodison park is home until such time that the right investors are in place and the team are performing on the pitch.. then expanding, developement should take place.

 

as i've said previously, if people are doing their jobs properly they would have a plan b, and this summer wouldnt have happened.

 

we deserve more,

 

remember this is our city and we are their history.

 

2nd best isn't good enough, and kirkby was 2nd best merely because of the fact that the fan base was significantly divided.

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well from your logic louis.......Every thing that has been said by DM, BK,KW has been judeged to be lies............. so why not

 

I've not got a bad word to say about David Moyes, Bill Kenwright is seemingly stuck between a rock and a hard place and Keith Wyness has stated things that were never likely to become reality.

 

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this DangerMouse. You see the call in as a catastrophe whilst I see it as a fresh opportunity. We have a new CEO who may be more willing to speak to Liverpool City Council with a view to upgrading Goodison Park or moving towards the city centre which in my opinion are the more sensible options.

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I'm in 2 minds about this news. Initially I was all in favour of going (With the Information we were given at first) but as time wore on costs escalated, the stadium went from "world class" to "mid level", the transport issues etc I changed my mind.

What the outcome of this decision will mean to our near and not too distant future remains to be seen, but I reckon it's the end of the road for Destination Kirkby, and I think Louis is right, now could be the chance for the club to re-evaluate everything and start again.

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Goodison park is home until such time that the right investors are in place and the team are performing on the pitch.. then expanding, developement should take place.

 

as i've said previously, if people are doing their jobs properly they would have a plan b, and this summer wouldnt have happened.

 

we deserve more,

 

remember this is our city and we are their history.

 

2nd best isn't good enough, and kirkby was 2nd best merely because of the fact that the fan base was significantly divided.

 

that is a damn good view of it, and i for one agree

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Do you forget "ferguson is god" that we have already had two plans IN liverpool fail!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Did you forget the outcry against johnson for trying to move to aintree

 

Did you forget the outcry from "Goodison for everton" when we tried to move to the kings dock...

 

Do you remeber LCC fucking us off in all atempts to build in the city including the above..?????

 

It wasnt until we called their bluff that they actually gave a fuck......

 

 

Slow down there grumpy i am for moving away from Goodison(eventhough i love it so) but I dont think moving out the city is the answer. If we move out of the city we would lose a generation of fans. And ino ppl have said we would get a new generation but nothing like the 1 we would lose is we moved out of liverpool. And "DangerMouse" I believe that in your last statement "It wasnt until we called their bluff that they actually gave a fuck" is correct and now LCC know that everton would move out of the city(even thought i dont want them to) they shit themselves and now believe they will do anything to keep us IN the city

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i think too much has been put in LCC. they have so oftern told us they wanted to talk to everton, even open debate, but KW has kept us hidden away behind his exclusivity agreement

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I dont believe It will go through but...... The whole point WAS to get the project called in hence to stall it and price Everton out of any move.... so no its NOT great News for the "NO" camp

 

Im sure they were expecting it to start much later...

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I dont believe It will go through but...... The whole point WAS to get the project called in hence to stall it and price Everton out of any move.... so no its NOT great News for the "NO" camp

 

Im sure they were expecting it to start much later...

 

Yep the "NO" (or lets just call them KEIOC) were planning on a lengthy delay in any review, that's why 12 months was being mentioned by the press. 12 months would essentially kill of the project due to costs etc

 

So if it is reviewed and approved by December I will send KEIOC a chirstmas card :)

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The part were the public put forward their views and evidence etc. may be done in time for Christmas but the final decision will in all likely be Summer 09 (at best due to legal challenges regarding land disposal, public procurement rules, competition laws and CPO appeals). Apparently the Daily Post reported it would be done and dusted by Christmas which is plain wrong.

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the idea wasnt just to get it called in, the idea was to get it reviewed. there is enough legislation problems in the planning application that it should be turned down anyway, or at least open doors for LCC to get involved.

 

i think a lot of the YES gang presume KEIOC are short sighted and shallow with their view point. maybe if their views were looked at, and their points acknowledged, some of the YES gang may see that KEIOC have a lot of good reason and a lot of evidence to the lies that have been believed.

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