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Early days I know but do you think he's is going to be a big hit here.

 

And by big hit I mean have the same impact as Cahill and Arteta.

 

I know a few of you have your doubts.

 

Early days though.

 

Personally, I've liked glimpses of what I've seen although I'm not sure if he is going to justify the £15m.

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He will grow into a very good player, but it won't happen over night, he is still young, but I have faith in him. The large amount of money we spent is an investement more than anything. Moyes has said time and again we should be patient... the boy will come good, but to juege him now is way to early

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He's only played a few games as Berbatov has for the mancs and he's done fuck all there so far as has Robbie Keane at the shite and these fellas are in their mid to late 20's and have experience of the premiership so it's far too early to judge a young lad who's living in a foreign country. Only time will tell but I reckon he'll come good.

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he appears to have all the physical attributes, and u can see the potental in his play at times.... fingers crossed

Well said, personally he could be a quality signing for us and when he learns the language we will see the passion he is supposed to have aswell as the physicall attributes!!!!

Come on screech!!!!

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Simple fact is, he'll have to make it to some degree as we cant afford 15m to go to waste.

Not too happy with some of his hospital passes in this match but he's doin alright, just not an exciting type of player.

Straight red for cahill - you havin a laff??!!

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I think he'll come good after time but I said it when we bought him and I'll say it again - he's not worth that money and I doubt he ever will be, we got desperate and threw money at Liege.

 

Its a different league, different country, a quicker pace and a strange team, a goal would help him a lot. I believe Moyes when he said we had tracked the lad for sometime, if he doesn't pay off Moyes will have to carry the can. I remain positive that he will 'make it'

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And ive said this in another post...................

 

I dont go along with these "he's only young, give him a bit of time" excuses, he has been playing for Standard since he signed as a 17 year old and has made over 85 appearances, in which time he has won the player of the season in the Belgium prem and became league champions last season.

He has cost us £15 million pounds and playing amongst our players who have shown no form at all, he should be standing out as MOTM every time he plays, but he hardly gets any votes at all.

FFS Even Jody Baxter a 16 year old schoolboy has got twice as many votes, why is everybody making excuses for him !! ? he should be a hell of a lot better than he has shown so far.

 

I'm going to go along with Mark on this, he might well improve and become a better player, but he doesnt look anything like a 15 million pound player.

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I'm going to go along with Mark on this, he might well improve and become a better player, but he doesnt look anything like a 15 million pound player.

Remember he didnt choose his transfer fee. We were desperate and yes we definately paid over the odds for him, but lets give him some time and see him develop into the midfield powerhouse we all want(and desperately NEED) him to be.

Personally I would have liked to see us ease him into the team over the season, but needs must and we will see as it goes on whether or not he can cut it. Needs 2 seasons though for us to make a real judgement.

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agree with post above, so far castillo > fellaini. But fellaini, although not yet a £15mil player i think has been getting better as he plays, heres to hoping that improvement continues.

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Remember he didnt choose his transfer fee. We were desperate and yes we definately paid over the odds for him, but lets give him some time and see him develop into the midfield powerhouse we all want(and desperately NEED) him to be.

Personally I would have liked to see us ease him into the team over the season, but needs must and we will see as it goes on whether or not he can cut it. Needs 2 seasons though for us to make a real judgement.

 

TWO SEASONS :o :o if he hasnt showed us in two months i'd fookin sell him come the january window.

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And ive said this in another post...................

 

I dont go along with these "he's only young, give him a bit of time" excuses, he has been playing for Standard since he signed as a 17 year old and has made over 85 appearances, in which time he has won the player of the season in the Belgium prem and became league champions last season.

He has cost us £15 million pounds and playing amongst our players who have shown no form at all, he should be standing out as MOTM every time he plays, but he hardly gets any votes at all.

FFS Even Jody Baxter a 16 year old schoolboy has got twice as many votes, why is everybody making excuses for him !! ? he should be a hell of a lot better than he has shown so far.

 

I'm going to go along with Mark on this, he might well improve and become a better player, but he doesnt look anything like a 15 million pound player.

 

Hmmmmmmmm in that case Bill what do you think of Moyes judgment in signing him and committing so much money in this one lad?

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Hmmmmmmmm in that case Bill what do you think of Moyes judgment in signing him and committing so much money in this one lad?

 

Think it was a last minute decision, a panic buy if you like, Moyes said he had been watching his progress for the last 18 months but then spends 3 months of the close season chasing Moutinho, when that fell through money was heaped onto Liege to get him as Moutinho's replacement, M'BIA DEAL ALSO WENT TITS UP, SO THIS LAD WAS SEEN AS SOMEBODY WHO COULD DO BOTH JOBS. ( BOX TO BOX), dont think its worked out, like most panic deals, they often fall flat.

 

Theres an old Irish saying Jimmy, buy in haste, repent at leisure. ;)

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Think it was a last minute decision, a panic buy if you like, Moyes said he had been watching his progress for the last 18 months but then spends 3 months of the close season chasing Moutinho, when that fell through money was heaped onto Liege to get him as Moutinho's replacement, M'BIA DEAL ALSO WENT TITS UP, SO THIS LAD WAS SEEN AS SOMEBODY WHO COULD DO BOTH JOBS. ( BOX TO BOX), dont think its worked out, like most panic deals, they often fall flat.

 

Theres an old Irish saying Jimmy, buy in haste, repent at leisure. ;)

 

So you think that Moyes has wasted £15 mil panic buying Bill?....................may be but I've seen far worse than that lad come good and I think he will make it, the price tag is another matter

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So you think that Moyes has wasted £15 mil panic buying Bill?....................may be but I've seen far worse than that lad come good and I think he will make it, the price tag is another matter

 

I would confidently say it was a panic buy at an infalted price. But you cannot dispell that Fellaini is looking average and as someone else said "lazy". Maybe he needs better players around him or he needs more fitness, problem is with such a high price tag he should hit the ground running.

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As i have said in another thread, I think he will do better in a 4 man midfield. He is being crowded out at the moment. The debry game was so crowded in midfield it was impossible for anyone in midfield to create anything in the centre of the park.

 

IMO Fellaini will do better with two up front, giving him a little more time and space in the middle of the park.

 

I don't think he is a lazy player, I think that he was scarred to commit to anything after his booking. I think he was one of our better players on sat. Once he gets used to the pace of the prem he'll be fine, this is not an age issue its just an adjustment issue. Most foreign players take some time to embed themselves into the prem. He has only just started out here so give him a little time, it was his home début so it would be worng to write him off so early.

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As i have said in another thread, I think he will do better in a 4 man midfield. He is being crowded out at the moment. The debry game was so crowded in midfield it was impossible for anyone in midfield to create anything in the centre of the park.

 

IMO Fellaini will do better with two up front, giving him a little more time and space in the middle of the park.

 

I don't think he is a lazy player, I think that he was scarred to commit to anything after his booking. I think he was one of our better players on sat. Once he gets used to the pace of the prem he'll be fine, this is not an age issue its just an adjustment issue. Most foreign players take some time to embed themselves into the prem. He has only just started out here so give him a little time, it was his home début so it would be worng to write him off so early.

 

Nice assessment Jamie, it wasn't his fault we paid so much for him

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Just been thinking about Fellaini!.......Seems we aren't that keen on giving him plenty of time to settle in!, and just maybe Moyes paid over the odds!

 

Then my mind went back to Jagielka, can't quite remember how much we paid for him, but I do remember how a lot of people myself included weren't impressed with him.Which ever position he played in he didn't really look prem material.

Now after last season a lot of us couldn't imagin the defence without him.Fellaini has come from what we all know is a very good team (dam it) and if as many say he was their best player then he will in time and in the right position come good.It can't be easy for a new player when the team are going through a dodgy patch.

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Just been thinking about Fellaini!.......Seems we aren't that keen on giving him plenty of time to settle in!, and just maybe Moyes paid over the odds!

 

Then my mind went back to Jagielka, can't quite remember how much we paid for him, but I do remember how a lot of people myself included weren't impressed with him.Which ever position he played in he didn't really look prem material.

Now after last season a lot of us couldn't imagin the defence without him.Fellaini has come from what we all know is a very good team (dam it) and if as many say he was their best player then he will in time and in the right position come good.It can't be easy for a new player when the team are going through a dodgy patch.

£4m is what he cost. But good point about how we judged him at first. However he was played out of position alot when he first arrived.

 

The price of Fellaini is the problem I think. Personally I think he'll settle. He's had no time what-so-ever yet, he isn't the type of player to make an instant impact. When he gets setteled, and gets more space in the center, as I think he should, and also once he can read the game of others then he will come good. Im confident of that.

 

We paid a big price,we need to get over that and start judging him on his future performances not on the price we paid for him.

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i think the major problem here is that was cant afford to spend £15m on potential, if we are to spend that sort of cash they need to be the real deal, and now. panic buy, hopefully will come good thou.

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Another point to remember is that he doesn't speak English at the moment, so even though he may be fired up before the game and know hiis job, if things go wrong he will become isolated on the pitch by default. Needs time. Has shown some promise and that's encouraging. Our dilemma is simply because we brought in new face days before the season kicked off and our pre-season seemed to be a bit half cocked. Results were poor and nobody looked fit. We are currently in a hangover and I fear everyhting we worked for last year is going to slip away as happened a couple of years ago. We just don't look like we are gelling at all, the players are saying the right things, but they just don't look the part on the pitch. Fellaini needs time, I can only think of 1 or 2 players that have even looked half the players that they are this season.

 

The bottom line is that it is very easy to scrutinise the new players and apportion the dip in form to them, but you must remember that they have come here to impress certainly initially and the rest of the team and the manager is responsible for helping them adjust into our team. I think we will be fine, but my worry is that it could be end October/November before we start playing well again and I can guarantee the new players will be the ones impressing.

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TWO SEASONS :o :o if he hasnt showed us in two months i'd fookin sell him come the january window.

Licker you cannot expect a player who can't speak a word of english to settle after 2 months and play the best football of his life, everton are still looking for a translator for him so he still probably cannot even say hello in english. that comment was like something a geordie would say about one of there managers, give him time ffs.

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All this said he hasn't been an instant hit (I think we all agree there!), I would have still liked to have seen the extra few million for Mountino! I bet he would have made a difference to our poor start.

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All this said he hasn't been an instant hit (I think we all agree there!), I would have still liked to have seen the extra few million for Mountino! I bet he would have made a difference to our poor start.

He isn't an "Instant" impact player though. That isn't his style of game. And just saying we should have spent a few more million to get Joao is pointless. We didn't have any more money! Plus Joao would have been on much bigger wages which need to be factored in as well. If we could afford Joao we would have got him, but we couldn't so we need to move on and get behind the players we do have,.

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He isn't an "Instant" impact player though. That isn't his style of game. And just saying we should have spent a few more million to get Joao is pointless. We didn't have any more money! Plus Joao would have been on much bigger wages which need to be factored in as well. If we could afford Joao we would have got him, but we couldn't so we need to move on and get behind the players we do have,.

 

Well said Jamie and don't forget the vendor has to be willing to sell, even £25 mil plus would not have landed the Joao, he'll be off to Madrid for a hell of lot more at season end

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Licker you cannot expect a player who can't speak a word of english to settle after 2 months and play the best football of his life, everton are still looking for a translator for him so he still probably cannot even say hello in english. that comment was like something a geordie would say about one of there managers, give him time ffs.

 

your telling me after a month everton have not found a translator? dont believe that for one second, guess you must have made that up. even i know two french fellas in the city who could manage that job.

 

the point is we cant spend all our money on a guy who isnt ready, we dont have the funds for that kind of risk. im sure he'll come good, but waiting for that could be a big downfall

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Judge Fellaini at the end of teh season, not half a dozen games in. I work in a call centre, and i started this time last year. For the first few months, i knew noone and hung around by myself, did my work and worked hard but didnt know a lot. Half a year later, i know a bit more and more people, peopel recognise me and i go out with a few of them. A year on and i know all there is to know about my job, pretty much everyone in the call centre recognises me or knows my name or ive spoken to outside of work, and im good at my job.

 

Apply the same dynamic to football, and next year is a much fairier judge of whether or not he is worht keeping. Either way we've spent a chunk of money on a solid midfielder, who barely speaks the language his manager and majority of his team amtes speak in, he has to adapt and the first month is nowhere a good judge of how well he will do. Plus, he has never played in this league, and although i dont watch as much as i used to, the EPL is one of the fastest leagues to play in, and as was said, in midfield like saturday one of the most clogged onthe pitch. Give him space and time and the boy will do well, but he's 20 in a new country and a new team. One month is hardly the point to decide how you feel, yes he cost £15m, so what? we needed him panic buy or not so judging him now is pointless, judge him end of season when we see exactly what he has been able to acheive. The fact that he's a player with european experience is enough to justify him, can you imagine what kind of midfield we'd have if we didnt sign him last minute? Im sure rodwell would love it but i wouldnt :rolleyes:

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Licker you cannot expect a player who can't speak a word of english to settle after 2 months and play the best football of his life, everton are still looking for a translator for him so he still probably cannot even say hello in english. that comment was like something a geordie would say about one of there managers, give him time ffs.

 

2 months is a hell of a long time (10 - 15 games :o :o ) what do you have to do to settle into a game of football ffs, its not a masters degree in scientology

 

When i was younger i used to hang around the parks after my own teams game, so if any teams was short of players for the afternoon games i would play for them under an assumed name, i never new anybodys name or what tactics they played, i just played the game as i saw it, and was quite often asked if i would sign on for them, so i must have done ok playing with a team of strangers.

 

And he doesnt have to play "the best football of his life", any half decent performance would stand out against our players who are playing shit, but he does'nt even look as good as any of them. Cahills now out for another 3 games and as far as i'm concerned Fellaini needs to up his performances, and should be getting the MOTM in the next three.

Its only a game of football ffs. <_<

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As i have said in another thread, I think he will do better in a 4 man midfield. He is being crowded out at the moment. The debry game was so crowded in midfield it was impossible for anyone in midfield to create anything in the centre of the park.

 

IMO Fellaini will do better with two up front, giving him a little more time and space in the middle of the park.

 

I don't think he is a lazy player, I think that he was scarred to commit to anything after his booking. I think he was one of our better players on sat. Once he gets used to the pace of the prem he'll be fine, this is not an age issue its just an adjustment issue. Most foreign players take some time to embed themselves into the prem. He has only just started out here so give him a little time, it was his home début so it would be worng to write him off so early.

 

Correct, i saw the first time and fellaini was one of the best of everton

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Just been thinking about Fellaini!.......Seems we aren't that keen on giving him plenty of time to settle in!, and just maybe Moyes paid over the odds!

 

Then my mind went back to Jagielka, can't quite remember how much we paid for him, but I do remember how a lot of people myself included weren't impressed with him.Which ever position he played in he didn't really look prem material.

Now after last season a lot of us couldn't imagin the defence without him.Fellaini has come from what we all know is a very good team (dam it) and if as many say he was their best player then he will in time and in the right position come good.It can't be easy for a new player when the team are going through a dodgy patch.

 

Also correct, prem. is harder,faster, stronger as the belgian league. he comes in a team who doesn't play well and he plays with guys he don't understand.

 

15m pond is al lot but it was his price. there were a lot of big teams interested. ( man u, real, Arsenal, )

Everton scouted marouane 34 times i think. So i dont think it was so desperated at all.

 

When he will have the rhythm of the game you will see :ohno02:

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i heard that if everton lose against standard liege that fellaini will be loaned back for the rest of the year to regain form

:lol: You are a funny man

 

We spend 15m on a player only to loan him straight out because he doesn't settle after 3 games! Sounds very logical

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i heard that if everton lose against standard liege that fellaini will be loaned back for the rest of the year to regain form

 

 

How would that game have any bearing on what happens with Fellaini when he's not even eligible to play?

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How would that game have any bearing on what happens with Fellaini when he's not even eligible to play?

Because he is supposed to have inside knowledge of them that he can impart to us, if he does not do this then it obviously means that his heart still lies at Standard. Obvious really. :P

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2 months is a hell of a long time (10 - 15 games :o :o ) what do you have to do to settle into a game of football ffs, its not a masters degree in scientology

 

When i was younger i used to hang around the parks after my own teams game, so if any teams was short of players for the afternoon games i would play for them under an assumed name, i never new anybodys name or what tactics they played, i just played the game as i saw it, and was quite often asked if i would sign on for them, so i must have done ok playing with a team of strangers.

 

And he doesnt have to play "the best football of his life", any half decent performance would stand out against our players who are playing shit, but he does'nt even look as good as any of them. Cahills now out for another 3 games and as far as i'm concerned Fellaini needs to up his performances, and should be getting the MOTM in the next three.

Its only a game of football ffs. <_<

I understand what you are saying but I think you have to give someone time to settle in. Thierry Henry didn't score for about 12 games when he joined Arsenal and looked iffy, Robert Pires was poor for the first season with Arsenal, even Hleb had a dodgy start yet all went on to be brilliant players. Don't get me wrong, Fellaini has not looked a £15m player so far and I am concerned, but he is young, he is playing in a league of a totally different standard, he may feel a little overawed or lacking in confidence at the moment but hopefully he'll come good. My major disappointment is his energy, when we signed him he was made out to be some duracell bunny running machine (he did look like that against Liverpool) but so far, he's looked a little lazy for Everton.

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You guy's think fellaini is not that good?

 

but he was the best player of standard and we overplayed everton?

 

Everton played poor, no insparation just lateral.

 

Is this the level of the premier league?? ( or what was the comment here of the belgian league??)

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