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Doc Shitters has my complete admiration :)

Scholar and a gentleman , but a lousy taste in football teams :lol:

 

It's quite curious, in fact...

 

how some obviously intelligent people can root for those kinds of teams... I guess it's 'cuz your club isn't all about brains, there's a fair bit of heart in it too...

 

Pity ;)

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Just getting back on subject for a minute.....to prove the point (although no-one with half a brain needs it proving)....

 

Did you see Arsenal's fans after their equaliser tonight?

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I'll admit, I don't understand why some Reds fans claim that the derby means nothing.

 

 

When we beat you I get as much pleasure as when we beat any other team in the league. Perhaps if we beat the Mancs it'd be more pleasurable because of our current situation but Everton ARE our biggest rivals. I don't care what anyone else says. I hate other teams more than Everton such as Arsenal and Chelsea but I don't get nearly as much pleasure from winning.

 

It's the derby. These things are supposed to be passionate!

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I'll admit, I don't understand why some Reds fans claim that the derby means nothing.

 

 

When we beat you I get as much pleasure as when we beat any other team in the league. Perhaps if we beat the Mancs it'd be more pleasurable because of our current situation but Everton ARE our biggest rivals. I don't care what anyone else says. I hate other teams more than Everton such as Arsenal and Chelsea but I don't get nearly as much pleasure from winning.

 

It's the derby. These things are supposed to be passionate!

 

 

its 2 separate things

 

1. too many wools follow us and have no geographical link to merseyside, therefore everton are just another team to them

2. pretending the derby means nothing is a sly way of winding them up, i.e. we only care about the BIG teams.

 

every local match going red i know counts the derby as the biggest games of the season, nothing, not even united, feels quite like a derby. the horrible nervous feeling you have days beforehand, derby belly. derbys are fucking horrible, spiteful things. they dominate your life for pretty much the whole week and you cant enjoy them till the final whistle, even at 2 or 3 up you're still bricking it with 5 minutes left.

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its 2 separate things

 

1. too many wools follow us and have no geographical link to merseyside, therefore everton are just another team to them

2. pretending the derby means nothing is a sly way of winding them up, i.e. we only care about the BIG teams.

 

every local match going red i know counts the derby as the biggest games of the season, nothing, not even united, feels quite like a derby. the horrible nervous feeling you have days beforehand, derby belly. derbys are fucking horrible, spiteful things. they dominate your life for pretty much the whole week and you cant enjoy them till the final whistle, even at 2 or 3 up you're still bricking it with 5 minutes left.

 

I could have understood your point if you had said there are to many plastic fans that do not truly follow a team i.e United and so on but i dont see where a geographical link to Merseyside would make you more of a fan of any club and carry less passion for which ever club it is you support.

The big difference is that in the derby's the shite have more to loose due to there league positions and the massive amount of money your club have spent to our own so to be beaten by a "small club" as the onion would say is more damaging to your supporters as we dont expect to win as most of your lot do hence the comments of late.

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I could have understood your point if you had said there are to many plastic fans that do not truly follow a team i.e United and so on but i dont see where a geographical link to Merseyside would make you more of a fan of any club and carry less passion for which ever club it is you support.

The big difference is that in the derby's the shite have more to loose due to there league positions and the massive amount of money your club have spent to our own so to be beaten by a "small club" as the onion would say is more damaging to your supporters as we dont expect to win as most of your lot do hence the comments of late.

 

 

dont talk shite. its nothing to do with how much of a fan you are, its the fact you've been brought up in an environment of multi-generational red and/or blue families, a local derby will always mean more to locals because its a part of the fabric of where they live and permiates into most aspects of their everyday lives.

and every good blue i know, and by that i mean match going blues, the derby means as much to them as it does to us, losing it hurts no matter where you are in the league, its fuck all to do with points and positions compared to local and personal pride and i guess the fact you dont see that probably proves my point.

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dont talk shite. its nothing to do with how much of a fan you are, its the fact you've been brought up in an environment of multi-generational red and/or blue families, a local derby will always mean more to locals because its a part of the fabric of where they live and permiates into most aspects of their everyday lives.

and every good blue i know, and by that i mean match going blues, the derby means as much to them as it does to us, losing it hurts no matter where you are in the league, its fuck all to do with points and positions compared to local and personal pride and i guess the fact you dont see that probably proves my point.

 

Although the fact that the team is located in your city makes it a point of pride, to say it's not the same to fans from other areas is just ignorant. I live in Cardiff, I also support Cardiff City, but for 21 years I have been a toffee through and through. All through school i got made fun of for supporting them, and pretty much straight through to the office where only with our recent Moyes-inspired revival have we been any shade of the team we were in the late eighties, and worthy of more than a scoff from supporters of so called "bigger" teams. I've never missed a derby, and never will. To say because I don't come from a family split by loyalty to either team, or that I don't live in the city ergo I don't feel the same anticipation/excitement/nervousness is absolute bullshit. My grandad and brother are Manure fans, my step-brother is a Chelsea fan and my dad and I are toffees. There was more than a palpalble tension in the house when any of the sides met, and just because it wasn't a redshite/bluenose split didn't make the confrontations any less passionate.

 

My last girlfriend was a redshite, and when we watched the derbies it was like a b-movie horror special, we tore each other apart for 90 minutes, it was fucking awesome, and to be honest I find it offensive that somebody believes they have more right than others to support their team. How do you think the biggest clubs become the biggest clubs? They attract people from all over the world, who want to follow them. I mean think about it, Hollywood wouldn't exist were it not for everyone watching the bullshit they put out every year, but you don't see American filmakers turning around to outsiders and saying "You obviously don't understand or appreciate this as much because you don't live here"

 

And I wouldn't be turning my back on british films if I preferred American films. The comparison is self evident, I support Cardiff City, with the same fervour and endeavour that I do Everton, but I prefer Everton. When all is said and done, they are my club. And I don't need to live in the city to appreciate what the club means to me, I already know that. Yes in the literal "build-up" sense of course the locals will feel it more than the outside supporters because there are more of you in one place, but it isn't a point of pride or passion, it's a point of self-righteousness that you feel it more, and to that end you can carry on for all I care.

 

A true evertonian wears it in his blood, in the ongoing and never decaying faith that this historic club will forever be the most honest and dedicated collection of unique individuals in the footballing world. I am honoured to be part of a following of one of the most prestigous institutions in football, and I don't feel any less of a fan for not being part of the city that created it. To me a true toffee is the understated fan, who knows what it means to be truly dedicated to your club, and doesn't need to boast their pride to the many disbelievers, because in the end it's still a grand old team....

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I think the point about fans not from the city is vague. My understanding is an irritation of 'knowledgable' supporters who come from another area where other major teams are based, and that these fans will drivel on about how great their team is this and that, but their knowledge is limited to what they hear down the pub, watch on Sky or read in the paper.

 

I think just having a go at someone because they are not from the place their team is is short sighted. I notice Everton have a strong Irish and Scandinavian contingent, and also have a strong base in ex-pat communities worldwide.

 

It tends to be directed at the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd, as their success has led them to be household names, and have supporters who go to see them as a status mark, like driving a BMW, or having a pair of Jimmy Choo shoes. Just because thay can afford the season ticket, doesn't make them experts, petrolheads or fashionable, it just shows they can afford 'the best'. Unfortunately, these fans have helped push football away from the working class game it once was, and is driving 'the common man' to occasional visits and armchair supporting due to the excessive cost to go. It then becomes frustrating to listen to these fans bleat on how good their team is, when they aren't really enjoying the game, but the result that the teams success bring and that is where their 'knowledge' ends. So when you get into a debate, they will just hamper on about how great their team is without appreciating the beautiful game.

 

That is just my take on it and what gets my back up about non local supporters, not that they don't come from a place, but because of the motives behing their support and their subsequent bulls***.

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We just had an idiot blue on TIA that got immediately banned for posting rubbish about OOTers. A complete wind up.

 

The OOT argument is so foolish. The cheeky nipper asked me rather sarcastically where Oban was?

 

So when a Liverpudlian (albeit half-Welsh ;)) moves away he suddenly loses his heritage?

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dont talk shite. its nothing to do with how much of a fan you are, its the fact you've been brought up in an environment of multi-generational red and/or blue families, a local derby will always mean more to locals because its a part of the fabric of where they live and permiates into most aspects of their everyday lives.

and every good blue i know, and by that i mean match going blues, the derby means as much to them as it does to us, losing it hurts no matter where you are in the league, its fuck all to do with points and positions compared to local and personal pride and i guess the fact you dont see that probably proves my point.

 

Well put Reg mate you basically covered the points i was going to make.

 

Did you even read my post you tool i never said anything about how much of a fan you are those where your words i stated that living in a city of which ever club it is you follow makes you no more of a supporter of which ever club that may be thats playground material, Yes you may have more of a cultural background regarding families and so on but that does not make you more of a fan or more passionate about a which ever team you follow to even think so shows how shallow minded you are.

As for the match going blue's comment thats a tad of the mark as it shows nothing i am sure there are many football supporters around this Country that are unable to attend games due to various reasons which makes them in no way less of a supporter would you say that the fans that travel many many miles week in week out to see your club are less passionate and supportive then you?

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The subject currently being discussed is very deep , and has too many angles to be challenged within a few posts .

For me , it's a subject that's perhaps best left well alone :)

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The subject currently being discussed is very deep , and has too many angles to be challenged within a few posts .

For me , it's a subject that's perhaps best left well alone :)

 

 

I think your right mate :P its a debat which could go down to many routes so i will leave it at that. Where abouts in the NW is from Taxi?

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I think your right mate :P its a debat which could go down to many routes so i will leave it at that. Where abouts in the NW is from Taxi?

 

Runcorn , though I'm working on a cunning plan :|

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I dont usually post,but i have to laugh because when stevie gee bag scored the shite acted like they won the treble......and your whingeing cos we celebrated a late goal in the derby?

LOSERS!

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I dont usually post,but i have to laugh because when stevie gee bag scored the shite acted like they won the treble......and your whingeing cos we celebrated a late goal in the derby?

LOSERS!

 

Welcome bluemist, join in more often mate

 

Its a good point you make, I was going to suggest changing the thread title to 'Acting like you didn't win' for the sake of the red shyte contributors.

 

If hypocrisy was a colour it would be red :lol:

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Welcome bluemist, join in more often mate

 

Its a good point you make, I was going to suggest changing the thread title to 'Acting like you didn't win' for the sake of the red shyte contributors.

 

If hypocrisy was a colour it would be red :lol:

Wow a welcome,you dont get that on blue kipper,its usually 7 posts of abuse for first timers lol

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Everybody in Runcorn is working on a plan ;)

 

Perhaps .......... but my plan is cunning :shiftyeyes_anim: :P

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Well put Reg mate you basically covered the points i was going to make.

 

Did you even read my post you tool i never said anything about how much of a fan you are those where your words i stated that living in a city of which ever club it is you follow makes you no more of a supporter of which ever club that may be thats playground material, Yes you may have more of a cultural background regarding families and so on but that does not make you more of a fan or more passionate about a which ever team you follow to even think so shows how shallow minded you are.

As for the match going blue's comment thats a tad of the mark as it shows nothing i am sure there are many football supporters around this Country that are unable to attend games due to various reasons which makes them in no way less of a supporter would you say that the fans that travel many many miles week in week out to see your club are less passionate and supportive then you?

 

you see you are doing it agiain. i'm talking specifically about the derby and you come back with some gerneralised sentimental waffle about having everton in your veins. i know perfectly well how passionate some oot fans can be and despite what the majority of everton fans i know say, i know you have a fair sized oot following too, fucks sake im from the wirral, this isnt some "only scousers should get tickets" rant you may be comparing it to, its just the simple fact that a local derby will always mean more to locals. i'm not arguing about this i've seen it enough times with my own eyes in real life enough times to give a shit what someone types on a message board, its just that you dont seem to be able to grasp the point i was making. its funny how contrary you lot can be sometimes, theres plenty of blues out there who would swear blind you lot dont exist, that every match going blue lives on or just off county road :rolleyes:

 

and the fact is the people who talk the most sence about football, the most realistic, cynical, tinted glasses well and truly off, type of people tend to be regular match goers. so dont hate the player, hate the game, its not my fault its true.

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you see you are doing it agiain. i'm talking specifically about the derby and you come back with some gerneralised sentimental waffle about having everton in your veins. i know perfectly well how passionate some oot fans can be and despite what the majority of everton fans i know say, i know you have a fair sized oot following too, fucks sake im from the wirral, this isnt some "only scousers should get tickets" rant you may be comparing it to, its just the simple fact that a local derby will always mean more to locals. i'm not arguing about this i've seen it enough times with my own eyes in real life enough times to give a shit what someone types on a message board, its just that you dont seem to be able to grasp the point i was making. its funny how contrary you lot can be sometimes, theres plenty of blues out there who would swear blind you lot dont exist, that every match going blue lives on or just off county road :rolleyes:

 

and the fact is the people who talk the most sence about football, the most realistic, cynical, tinted glasses well and truly off, type of people tend to be regular match goers. so dont hate the player, hate the game, its not my fault its true.

 

All you need to do is read your own posts to realise that you have contradicted your own views and opinions as you say you are from the Wirral you are hardly a local red are you so by your own logic your not as passionate or supportive as the ones you label yourself.

I really cant be botherd to argue with you because your clearly a plank who thinks he is some elite shite fan and you have the cheek to label "us lot" as contrary and say i talk waffle :lol:

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I really cant be botherd to argue with you

 

Yup.

Any sensible argument you might have had Johny was lost completely when you said,

"...its funny how contrary you lot can be sometimes" :rolleyes: .

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Yup.

Any sensible argument you might have had Johny was lost completely when you said,

"...its funny how contrary you lot can be sometimes" :rolleyes: .

i know what point you are making, that Liverpool fans can be contrary too, but thats pretty pointless as it doesn't change the truth in what i said in any way.

 

and if efctaxi can point out where it is I've said that I am just as passionate as a local fan then maybe he would also have a point. But he wont be able to unfortunatly.

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i know what point you are making, that Liverpool fans can be contrary too, but thats pretty pointless as it doesn't change the truth in what i said in any way.

 

and if efctaxi can point out where it is I've said that I am just as passionate as a local fan then maybe he would also have a point. But he wont be able to unfortunatly.

 

Sorry Johny , but on this occasion you've lost me :blink:

Can you explain my connection to any of your posts in this thread please ?

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Sorry Johny , but on this occasion you've lost me :blink:

Can you explain my connection to any of your posts in this thread please ?

sorry mistaken identity!

 

:D

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sorry mistaken identity!

 

:D

 

 

I demand satisfaction compensation a win tomorrow :P

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All you need to do is read your own posts to realise that you have contradicted your own views and opinions as you say you are from the Wirral you are hardly a local red are you so by your own logic your not as passionate or supportive as the ones you label yourself.

I really cant be botherd to argue with you because your clearly a plank who thinks he is some elite shite fan and you have the cheek to label "us lot" as contrary and say i talk waffle :lol:

 

 

plank! ouch! come on play nice sweetheart.

 

fisrt of all, it says wirral as my location. i was posting under the assumption that this is clearly visable to everyone on this board? i havent labeled myself as anything!

 

and second of all, on the subject of contrary, in your first reply to me you said "but i dont see where a geographical link to Merseyside would make you more of a fan of any club and carry less passion for which ever club it is you support"

and then in your second reply you denied talking about "how much of a fan you are"

 

but what i really dont understend is why you think you know more about the nature of our support than me? the question was asked why some liverpool fans say everton isnt a big game. the fact is that a lot of liverpool fans dont see it as a derby and treat it like any other game. the united game is the only other that sells using the same pre-req rules as the derby (2 pre-determined fixtures registered against a fan card), and every year united sells out twice as fast. this season the derby eventually went to any fancard holder with any 08-09 game registered against it and there were still tickets on sale that evening! sad fact of the modern game but too many sky generation fans believe the media hype over the mythical "big-four" and see games against the likes of everton, spurs, west ham, and villa as average run of the mill games comparable to bolton or reading. whether you like it or not, and clearly you dont, the lads at the match you see and hear with this type of attitude never have a local accent.

this quote bollocks is beyond me but i think bluebri put it much more eloquently than i can on page 4 of this thread.

 

so you either think you know our fans better than me, or think i'm lying about it?

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I am a liverpool supporter, and to be honest i found it shockin the way all everton fans wer acting like you had won the game! your excuse is that you have taken away the league from us, but we have 5 months left and from what i see were level on points at the top of the prem :D we still have united to play! so lets see what happens in may, and as for sunday i think its a guarenteed victory!

 

I know its really really late now but I just wanted to make sure that I got a post in on this thread - were acting like we won now because we did win (:

We played you off the park at Goodison and the goal coulden't have come from a better person, well done to Dan and seeing as were in a good mood on ToffeeTalk there will be a 'Get Well Soon' card going out to Gerrard ;)

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Yes, you also celebrated like you won the champions league.

 

 

I won't moan though. We'd do the same.

 

As long as you don't bring a DVD out then I'm happy to endure the 'rippings' I've endured this week.

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its 2 separate things

 

1. too many wools follow us and have no geographical link to merseyside, therefore everton are just another team to them

2. pretending the derby means nothing is a sly way of winding them up, i.e. we only care about the BIG teams.

 

every local match going red i know counts the derby as the biggest games of the season, nothing, not even united, feels quite like a derby. the horrible nervous feeling you have days beforehand, derby belly. derbys are fucking horrible, spiteful things. they dominate your life for pretty much the whole week and you cant enjoy them till the final whistle, even at 2 or 3 up you're still bricking it with 5 minutes left.

 

 

plank! ouch! come on play nice sweetheart.

 

fisrt of all, it says wirral as my location. i was posting under the assumption that this is clearly visable to everyone on this board? i havent labeled myself as anything!

 

and second of all, on the subject of contrary, in your first reply to me you said "but i dont see where a geographical link to Merseyside would make you more of a fan of any club and carry less passion for which ever club it is you support"

and then in your second reply you denied talking about "how much of a fan you are"

 

but what i really dont understend is why you think you know more about the nature of our support than me? the question was asked why some liverpool fans say everton isnt a big game. the fact is that a lot of liverpool fans dont see it as a derby and treat it like any other game. the united game is the only other that sells using the same pre-req rules as the derby (2 pre-determined fixtures registered against a fan card), and every year united sells out twice as fast. this season the derby eventually went to any fancard holder with any 08-09 game registered against it and there were still tickets on sale that evening! sad fact of the modern game but too many sky generation fans believe the media hype over the mythical "big-four" and see games against the likes of everton, spurs, west ham, and villa as average run of the mill games comparable to bolton or reading. whether you like it or not, and clearly you dont, the lads at the match you see and hear with this type of attitude never have a local accent.

this quote bollocks is beyond me but i think bluebri put it much more eloquently than i can on page 4 of this thread.

 

so you either think you know our fans better than me, or think i'm lying about it?

 

In your first point you say that you have to many supporters who have no link to Merseyside and that Everton are just another team. Now who are you to label fans from outside of that region as being less supportive towards Derby games if you ask many of the Evertonians on here who are not from Merseyside if they see the Derby as any other game im sure you will find its the contrary.

My posts are not specifically directed at Liverpool nor its supporters the point is you think that people dont see something as important or as special due to there location now what gives you that right to label things in such light? You can not tell me you have a full collective of other Liverpool supporters on the subject so you would not know its simply your and maybe a few of your mates opinions its not fact simple.

 

Then you say how every local match going red and how much the Derby feels and means to them then you say not even United feels quite like a Derby from which you go on to say in another post

but what i really dont understend is why you think you know more about the nature of our support than me? the question was asked why some liverpool fans say everton isnt a big game. the [fact is that a lot of liverpool fans dont see it as a derby and treat it like any other game. the united game is the only other that sells using the same pre-req rules as the derby (2 pre-determined fixtures registered against a fan card), and every year united sells out twice as fast

So one minute the Derby game in your opinion is a massive game for local supporters and then the next it is not and the United game is more of an attraction very contradicting!

 

so you either think you know our fans better than me, or think i'm lying about it?

I have at no point said i know more then you about you own support and i would not want to but the point is how can you talk for the thousands of supporters that follow your club as if what you say is fact is what makes me laugh you seem to think you know everything which with such shallow minded views you clearly dont so its not a case of knowing more then you or thinking your lying its a case of common sense and having a broader view of football and its supporters.

I really cant see Liverpool supporters taking the Derby games on par with playing Bolton and WestHam i mean come on your not doing yourself and the so called real supporters you know so well any favours by coming out with complete bollocks like that.

As i have already said you are very contradictive of your own opinions and some of the tripe in that last post is very laughable and if i could be arsed to i would pull more points on the shite you have posted but i really cant be arsed.

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wanted to say my point 1st....

 

all this 'you acting like you won the champs league', 'the game means nothing to us anyway' rubbish being spouted by reds at the moment really is quite pathetic.

 

it smacks of play ground sour grapes, the kid who gets his apple taken away then screams 'yeah well i didnt want it anyway'!

 

they cant seem to be dignified in either victory or defeat (well done Moyesy for that nice little dig in the after match press conference- along with a very fair review of the game, unlike the waiters usual 'its not my fault, its not fair, we were robbed' statement)

 

a little aside.... i was in the Upper Gwladys, my brother in the bullins with a dirty red shirt on. lots of banter txt's, he asked for a lift home after the game at half time... then for some reason i could'nt get hold of him at full time....phone off, no where to be seen at the meeting point.... strange considering reds don't care about the Derby anymore :P

 

PS... a little up the thread a blue seemed to have a go at a red for being from the Wirral.... I'm from the Wirral, living in the Midlands, does that make me any less of a Blue then someone born and bred in the District of Everton??? :angry: , my friend i was at the game with is Brummy born and bred, as yam yam as they come, yet he is pretty much THE most passionate Everton fan I have ever met. travelling from Birmingham to Goodison season ticket in hand untill he Joined the forces and could commit every weekend, is he any less of a blue coz of where he was born?

 

anyways my rant over.

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wanted to say my point 1st....

 

all this 'you acting like you won the champs league', 'the game means nothing to us anyway' rubbish being spouted by reds at the moment really is quite pathetic.

 

it smacks of play ground sour grapes, the kid who gets his apple taken away then screams 'yeah well i didnt want it anyway'!

 

they cant seem to be dignified in either victory or defeat (well done Moyesy for that nice little dig in the after match press conference- along with a very fair review of the game, unlike the waiters usual 'its not my fault, its not fair, we were robbed' statement)

 

a little aside.... i was in the Upper Gwladys, my brother in the bullins with a dirty red shirt on. lots of banter txt's, he asked for a lift home after the game at half time... then for some reason i could'nt get hold of him at full time....phone off, no where to be seen at the meeting point.... strange considering reds don't care about the Derby anymore :P

 

PS... a little up the thread a blue seemed to have a go at a red for being from the Wirral.... I'm from the Wirral, living in the Midlands, does that make me any less of a Blue then someone born and bred in the District of Everton??? :angry: , my friend i was at the game with is Brummy born and bred, as yam yam as they come, yet he is pretty much THE most passionate Everton fan I have ever met. travelling from Birmingham to Goodison season ticket in hand untill he Joined the forces and could commit every weekend, is he any less of a blue coz of where he was born?

 

anyways my rant over.

 

 

 

i have to agree with you on the comment on were you come from or were you live im blue through and through was born in liverpool but moved to halifax 25 years ago but im part of a branch from wakefeild which send s a bus out to every home game and travel to near every away game half of them are like lme expats and the rest are yorkshire men but fair game to them all as every game for us is infact an away game with our travel but worth it my son was born over here and has a season ticket and i did until a couple of years ago but still get to as many games as i can with him and the branch to me it does not matter where you come from (unless norway lol) if you were born with blue blood in your viens its good enough for me and fair game to the people up and down that have taken our great club to thier hearts

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In your first point you say that you have to many supporters who have no link to Merseyside and that Everton are just another team. Now who are you to label fans from outside of that region as being less supportive towards Derby games if you ask many of the Evertonians on here who are not from Merseyside if they see the Derby as any other game im sure you will find its the contrary.

My posts are not specifically directed at Liverpool nor its supporters the point is you think that people dont see something as important or as special due to there location now what gives you that right to label things in such light? You can not tell me you have a full collective of other Liverpool supporters on the subject so you would not know its simply your and maybe a few of your mates opinions its not fact simple.

 

Then you say how every local match going red and how much the Derby feels and means to them then you say not even United feels quite like a Derby from which you go on to say in another post

but what i really dont understend is why you think you know more about the nature of our support than me? the question was asked why some liverpool fans say everton isnt a big game. the [fact is that a lot of liverpool fans dont see it as a derby and treat it like any other game. the united game is the only other that sells using the same pre-req rules as the derby (2 pre-determined fixtures registered against a fan card), and every year united sells out twice as fast

So one minute the Derby game in your opinion is a massive game for local supporters and then the next it is not and the United game is more of an attraction very contradicting!

 

so you either think you know our fans better than me, or think i'm lying about it?

I have at no point said i know more then you about you own support and i would not want to but the point is how can you talk for the thousands of supporters that follow your club as if what you say is fact is what makes me laugh you seem to think you know everything which with such shallow minded views you clearly dont so its not a case of knowing more then you or thinking your lying its a case of common sense and having a broader view of football and its supporters.

I really cant see Liverpool supporters taking the Derby games on par with playing Bolton and WestHam i mean come on your not doing yourself and the so called real supporters you know so well any favours by coming out with complete bollocks like that.

As i have already said you are very contradictive of your own opinions and some of the tripe in that last post is very laughable and if i could be arsed to i would pull more points on the shite you have posted but i really cant be arsed.

 

So one minute the Derby game in your opinion is a massive game for local supporters and then the next it is not and the United game is more of an attraction very contradicting! stop making things up, where have i suddenly decided the derby game isn't a massive game? the point i was making, which you seem to have conveniently ignored was that the united game was a bigger attraction than the derby to the type of fans you have flooded the game in the last 15 years or so, the type who spend all game taking photos on their mobiles, texting their mates, waving like bellends at the cameras every time the ball goes out for a throw or a corner, moan when people stand up when were attacking, come up to you outside the ground asking "which one is the kop?", dressing up like a kid at a birthday party with face paint and jester style hats, and expecting to be entertained by the "famous atmosphere" and failing to realise that they have to be a part of that atmosphere in the first place. <<That is the type of person i'm refering to. i encapsulated it under the title "sky generation fans" for ease of typing.

i'm sure you will have seen the same change yourself at goodison in the type of fans you go the game nowadays?

you only have to look at the average gates at anfield down the years to see the difference, since i started going we used to get around 33,000ish and it was the same for years, you could get a ticket on the day of the game, even pay on the gate in the corner of the kop, during the mid 90s it started to increase, and by the end of the 90's we were getting over 40,000, now all of a sudden its exploded, sold out pretty much every game on the day of the sale, 58,000 on the seasie waiting list. where did all these people crawl out from all of a sudden? i gave up my seasie in 98 as the aways were to tempting to go on, and were killing me financially and i thought it would be easier to just buy tickets game for game. within 2 years i'd put myself on the waiting list as it was getting harder and harder to get tickets, i'm still waiting now, and some lads have been on it as long as 15 years, and just a few seasons before they were on it they were walking up to the ground and paying in.

 

I really cant see Liverpool supporters taking the Derby games on par with playing Bolton and WestHam i mean come on your not doing yourself and the so called real supporters you know so well any favours by coming out with complete bollocks like that.

 

i didnt come out with complete bollocks like that though did i? why are you throwing bolton in with west ham? i said everton, spurs, villa, and west ham, and the point which you seem to have missed is that these games ARE big games, its just that certain liverpool fans dont treat them as big games becasue they believe all the hype about the "big4".

 

You can not tell me you have a full collective of other Liverpool supporters on the subject so you would not know its simply your and maybe a few of your mates opinions its not fact simple.

 

why would i tell you that? i'm telling you what i SEE and HEAR week in, week out at anfield. why would i need to question every liverpool fan in the country to come to the conclusion that SOME of them are shit fans who care more about the kudos of supporting a certain team than the team itself or the city they represent? i can see it for myself, and unfortunatly it is a fact. and it is much, much more than just mine and a few mates opinions.

its also the opinion of pretty much every evertonian i have ever spoken to that liverpool have a load of glory hunting pricks following us, you are pretty much the exception in that respect (that have made their opionions clear to me that is).

 

to be honest i think you just took offence to the "too many wools" comment in my first post and have been trying to justify your own support for everton ever since. its certainly how its coming across anyway.

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wanted to say my point 1st....

 

all this 'you acting like you won the champs league', 'the game means nothing to us anyway' rubbish being spouted by reds at the moment really is quite pathetic.

 

it smacks of play ground sour grapes, the kid who gets his apple taken away then screams 'yeah well i didnt want it anyway'!

 

they cant seem to be dignified in either victory or defeat (well done Moyesy for that nice little dig in the after match press conference- along with a very fair review of the game, unlike the waiters usual 'its not my fault, its not fair, we were robbed' statement)

 

a little aside.... i was in the Upper Gwladys, my brother in the bullins with a dirty red shirt on. lots of banter txt's, he asked for a lift home after the game at half time... then for some reason i could'nt get hold of him at full time....phone off, no where to be seen at the meeting point.... strange considering reds don't care about the Derby anymore :P

 

PS... a little up the thread a blue seemed to have a go at a red for being from the Wirral.... I'm from the Wirral, living in the Midlands, does that make me any less of a Blue then someone born and bred in the District of Everton??? :angry: , my friend i was at the game with is Brummy born and bred, as yam yam as they come, yet he is pretty much THE most passionate Everton fan I have ever met. travelling from Birmingham to Goodison season ticket in hand untill he Joined the forces and could commit every weekend, is he any less of a blue coz of where he was born?

 

anyways my rant over.

Thompson & Wakeyblue

Read the thread lads you have got it backwards i am defending people who support clubs from outside that specific region you have agreed with my point about supporters :rolleyes: bloody post skippers :lol:

 

Johny i see your points mate and your more them welcome to have a different opinion thats what these forums are here for i see it one way you see it another and we sound like to old trouts arguing about who's knitting is better so i will leave it at that plus my head cant cope with debates today im on the night shift this week so my head will explode if i have to try and think :whaa:

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end of the day it doesn't matter what kind of supporter you are as long as you support your team. If your a die hard and go every week, good on ya, because the club relies on you in times of hardship when things don't go as planned...if you're a fairweather fan who only comes for the glory I'm not gonna criticise you, because you make up the numbers, after all, without the glory supporters coming the revenue wouldn't be as high and we wouldn't shift as much merchandise on the ones who just want to show their fandom instead of being true to the club.

 

I can't afford £200 quid for every home game so I go when I can, but I've got Everton in my blood and nobody can tell me I'm any less of a fan. Liverpool would be another "smaller" club were it not for the legions of "sky generation" fans who only come because they know Liverpool will always finish near the top of the league...and as long as you are club with a big following you will always have these types of fans, and they're part of the reason the following is as big as it is.

 

I think on the whole any fan can't be criticised, even if they only sing when we're winning, because fans are fans, and the more they go the more they will understand what it is to follow a team and soon enough the passion will get to them to and they will become die hards too. If anything they need an arm round the shoulder and a history lesson instead of the petty belittling that more "deserving" fans give them because they've followed the club for longer :rolleyes:

 

In any case, this debate has dragged on beyond all recognition so I think we can all agree that opinions are divided and they always will be, especially between the royal blues and the red shites ;)

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