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I still think he is playing below par , and though I didn't want to sell him earlier on in the year , I would consider it now .

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Exactly what time did you start drinking, sell Lescott. Yep that makes sense. So why would you sell him now and not earlier in the year, i just can't get my head around this logic.

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Exactly what time did you start drinking, sell Lescott. Yep that makes sense. So why would you sell him now and not earlier in the year, i just can't get my head around this logic.

 

2 reasons :

 

Firstly , having watched him this year , he is still underperforming by his own standards . Don't get me wrong , he is still playing ok for the most part , but nowhere near as good as he has in the past , and for the first quater of the season , he was actually pretty dire .

Why have I changed my mind ?

I figured he was getting back to his best at the time of the last major discussion we had about him , but after watching him against Villa , he had another mediocre game , and settled for putting the ball in the stand very often when other options were available . His touch on the ball was off , especially his first touch , and his confidence looked a little low in one on one situations . Yes , everyone is entitled to a bad game , but it's only my current opinion , and that may yet again change .

 

Secondly , I look at the interest he has had from clubs such as Arsenal , and indeed City .

This makes me think if City did actually offer good money for him , then we could look at improving other areas on the pitch with the funding . Our main strengths in defence in recent months have been Jags , Baines , and a resurgence of Hibbert , but not necessarily Lescott . Part of that may be that Neville has covered infront of Hibbert and Jags and not necessarily Lescott . If Yobo moved into the area , we would still have a very strong defence with Rodwell and possibly Coleman gradually moving into contention . Edit : Jacobsen too .

I'm probably talking bollox to many , but I think Lescotts position could be covered and if the fee is right , inject some much needed new faces into the side .

 

Again , only my current opinion :)

Now where did I put my drink :lol:

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Now where did I put my drink :lol:

 

I think you spilt it down your throat :D

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2 reasons :

 

Firstly , having watched him this year , he is still underperforming by his own standards . Don't get me wrong , he is still playing ok for the most part , but nowhere near as good as he has in the past , and for the first quater of the season , he was actually pretty dire .

Why have I changed my mind ?

I figured he was getting back to his best at the time of the last major discussion we had about him , but after watching him against Villa , he had another mediocre game , and settled for putting the ball in the stand very often when other options were available . His touch on the ball was off , especially his first touch , and his confidence looked a little low in one on one situations . Yes , everyone is entitled to a bad game , but it's only my current opinion , and that may yet again change .

 

Secondly , I look at the interest he has had from clubs such as Arsenal , and indeed City .

This makes me think if City did actually offer good money for him , then we could look at improving other areas on the pitch with the funding . Our main strengths in defence in recent months have been Jags , Baines , and a resurgence of Hibbert , but not necessarily Lescott . Part of that may be that Neville has covered infront of Hibbert and Jags and not necessarily Lescott . If Yobo moved into the area , we would still have a very strong defence with Rodwell and possibly Coleman gradually moving into contention . Edit : Jacobsen too .

I'm probably talking bollox to many , but I think Lescotts position could be covered and if the fee is right , inject some much needed new faces into the side .

 

Again , only my current opinion :)

Now where did I put my drink :lol:

 

 

Lescott can be the sub for Cole / Ferdinand and Terry for the national squad at present and he is still improving. IMO one day he will be the first 11 for the team in 3 to 4 years the most. Yes we still have positions to cover, selling him to City may provide us with some 15M to buy others but Lescott is a very versatile players with very good physical aspect. Good defending and attacking being a big threat he's proven that many times this season if u look at his goal-scoring record. Plus, it would be good to have Yobo on the bench for CD or taking turns with Jags and Lescott. This is the depth every titling-winning teams need to have.

 

If we need money or more players to boost our squad then we should ask the board to provide and look into the youth team which is there for a reason.

 

Lescott is a long-term investment done in last year and so far he's done well for us. It would not be sensible to sell him for money or due to some costly mistakes he's made early this season.

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2 reasons :

 

Firstly , having watched him this year , he is still underperforming by his own standards . Don't get me wrong , he is still playing ok for the most part , but nowhere near as good as he has in the past , and for the first quater of the season , he was actually pretty dire .

Why have I changed my mind ?

I figured he was getting back to his best at the time of the last major discussion we had about him , but after watching him against Villa , he had another mediocre game , and settled for putting the ball in the stand very often when other options were available . His touch on the ball was off , especially his first touch , and his confidence looked a little low in one on one situations . Yes , everyone is entitled to a bad game , but it's only my current opinion , and that may yet again change .

 

Secondly , I look at the interest he has had from clubs such as Arsenal , and indeed City .

This makes me think if City did actually offer good money for him , then we could look at improving other areas on the pitch with the funding . Our main strengths in defence in recent months have been Jags , Baines , and a resurgence of Hibbert , but not necessarily Lescott . Part of that may be that Neville has covered infront of Hibbert and Jags and not necessarily Lescott . If Yobo moved into the area , we would still have a very strong defence with Rodwell and possibly Coleman gradually moving into contention . Edit : Jacobsen too .

I'm probably talking bollox to many , but I think Lescotts position could be covered and if the fee is right , inject some much needed new faces into the side .

 

Again , only my current opinion :)

Now where did I put my drink :lol:

 

 

Well we are all entitled to our opinion but I have to disagree with you about his form and on selling him.

 

Moyse was quoted recently as saying he was playing out of his skin and I would definitely take Moysey view ahed of yours, thats probably why he is a Premiership manager and your a taxi driver!

We need to be building the squad up not decimating it further

I did agree with one of your points though "I'm probably talking bollox to many " !!!

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Orient Toffee made the good point of Lescott being a long term investment.Unless a really stupid offer came in for him Moyes would never sell him.

Had a blip at the start of the season, so did Arteta and a few others.Sell him because of that!Don't think so!

Checked out a Newcastle fc forum, they are made up about Cahill being banned and all our injuries, but many still can't see newcastle getting past our defence.....Lescotts name being the one mentioned the most!

He will always score a few goals and as a long term investment could become an even better player.

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Well we are all entitled to our opinion but I have to disagree with you about his form and on selling him.

 

Moyse was quoted recently as saying he was playing out of his skin and I would definitely take Moysey view ahed of yours, thats probably why he is a Premiership manager and your a taxi driver!

We need to be building the squad up not decimating it further

I did agree with one of your points though "I'm probably talking bollox to many " !!!

 

We'll just have to see during the summer won't we :) But what do I know ? I'm just a taxi driver huh ? We'd better stop talking on this forum unless we are prem managers shall we ? Consider your comment unappreciated :angry:

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Well we are all entitled to our opinion but I have to disagree with you about his form and on selling him.

 

Moyse was quoted recently as saying he was playing out of his skin and I would definitely take Moysey view ahed of yours, thats probably why he is a Premiership manager and your a taxi driver!

We need to be building the squad up not decimating it further

I did agree with one of your points though "I'm probably talking bollox to many " !!!

 

No need at all for sarcastic comments like that no need to belittle people. Also being a Manager does not mean you are any brighter or more knowlagable then anyone else Stephen King one of the best writers in history was a Janitor the founder of Dell computers Michael Dell was a dishwasher before hand the list goes on some people just dont get the opportunity to do what others have and can.

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We'll just have to see during the summer won't we :) But what do I know ? I'm just a taxi driver huh ? We'd better stop talking on this forum unless we are prem managers shall we ? Consider your comment unappreciated :angry:

 

 

Wasnt meant to offend you just think your way off the mark with regards to Lescotts form he has been magnificent the past few months.

 

No need at all for sarcastic comments like that no need to belittle people. Also being a Manager does not mean you are any brighter or more knowlagable then anyone else Stephen King one of the best writers in history was a Janitor the founder of Dell computers Michael Dell was a dishwasher before hand the list goes on some people just dont get the opportunity to do what others have and can.

 

 

What the flying flock are you waffling on about?

 

I think the fact that Moyse is the manager of a Premiership team means he most certainly does know more about footall than Stephen King or Michael Dell or a taxi driver or anybody else in any other proffesion outside of football

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What the flying flock are you waffling on about?

 

I think the fact that Moyse is the manager of a Premiership team means he most certainly does know more about footall than Stephen King or Michael Dell or a taxi driver or anybody else in any other proffesion outside of football

 

Im not waffling about anything your the one spouting ridiculous shite the point being you made a remark that he was a taxidriver in a very belittling way as if he is some sort of idiot and Moyes must be a genius because he is a manager so the mentioned names are very bright sparks who had very normal jobs just making a point! If you had said i am sure Moyes knows his players better then we do as we all know he does instead of putting it the way you did you may not have offended people and sounded like a right pink end.

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:jerry: :jerry: :jerry: Time to calm down? I thought were all here to talking about TEAM we love and wanna talk of it aswell and speculate anything about it? :offtopic:

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Wasnt meant to offend you just think your way off the mark with regards to Lescotts form he has been magnificent the past few months.

 

Not at all offended :)

 

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Bloody taxi drivers :lol::lol::lol:

 

We're very 'fare' people :lol:

That's why I can't give to one without the other :P

 

 

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Im not waffling about anything your the one spouting ridiculous shite the point being you made a remark that he was a taxidriver in a very belittling way as if he is some sort of idiot and Moyes must be a genius because he is a manager so the mentioned names are very bright sparks who had very normal jobs just making a point! If you had said i am sure Moyes knows his players better then we do as we all know he does instead of putting it the way you did you may not have offended people and sounded like a right pink end.

 

 

You have both taken it completely out of context , I never once said that there was anything wrong with being a taxi driver so I fail to see how I was belittleing anybody.

I merely pointed out that if he couldnt see that Lescott was a top player who was bang in form then it is little wonder that he is not employed as a Premiership manager and would be better off sticking to his day job, whatever it is!

 

Exactly which part of that is "ridiculous shite" is beyond me

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You have both taken it completely out of context , I never once said that there was anything wrong with being a taxi driver so I fail to see how I was belittleing anybody.

I merely pointed out that if he couldnt see that Lescott was a top player who was bang in form then it is little wonder that he is not employed as a Premiership manager and would be better off sticking to his day job, whatever it is!

 

Exactly which part of that is "ridiculous shite" is beyond me

 

Your ' dig ones self out of a deep hole ' detection system has encountered a problem and needs to close . Would you like to send an error report ? :)

 

Appology accepted in advance , now stop waffling and go get the beers in :P

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You have both taken it completely out of context , I never once said that there was anything wrong with being a taxi driver so I fail to see how I was belittleing anybody.

I merely pointed out that if he couldnt see that Lescott was a top player who was bang in form then it is little wonder that he is not employed as a Premiership manager and would be better off sticking to his day job, whatever it is!

 

Exactly which part of that is "ridiculous shite" is beyond me

 

Ok mate it just sounded that way i did not want to start an debate just to point out it was abit out of order :lol:

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Is anyone still talking about Lescott around here????. : :lol:

 

You'd have to be crazy to sell him. Many teams I'm sure would want him, but the only ones that would have enough money to buy him would be our rivals. And what's the point in giving the enemy one of your best guns? No matter what the price it's lunacy.

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Rooney to United

Johnson to Fulham

Barmby to Liverpool

Carsley / Mcfadden to Birmingham

Wright to West Ham

Davies to Fulham

Kilbane to Wigan

Bent to Charlton

Watson to West Brom

Campbell to West Brom

Radzinski to Fulham

Unswoth to Portsmouth

Jeffers to Arsenal

Pembridge to Fulham

 

To name just a few under Moyes :)

Why do you think he will keep Lescott if the price is right ?

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Barmby was long gone when Davey arrived :) .

 

And I think there's arguably only one in that list who'd improve our current team, even if they were all at their peak.

 

Maybe another two or three that I'd have for the squad (Campbell, Carsley, possibly Rhino for the passion).

 

So, apart from the obvious one, DM's never sold our best players so I don't think he'd start now....barring an insane offer from City.

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Barmby was long gone when Davey arrived :) .

 

And I think there's arguably only one in that list who'd improve our current team, even if they were all at their peak.

 

Maybe another two or three that I'd have for the squad (Campbell, Carsley, possibly Rhino for the passion).

 

So, apart from the obvious one, DM's never sold our best players so I don't think he'd start now....barring an insane offer from City.

 

Yep .

Barmby to the reds was a chancer lol :lol:

The main point being that selling to rivals has never been an issue in the past . Untill we can regularly attack the top 4 , I'm not sure how we can realistically call them rivals .

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Yep .

Barmby to the reds was a chancer lol :lol:

The main point being that selling to rivals has never been an issue in the past . Untill we can regularly attack the top 4 , I'm not sure how we can realistically call them rivals .

 

 

I maybe jumping ahead of myself but there is nowhere we can go from here without trying to break into the top 4. We've consistently proved ourselves at least top 6 over the past few years, we should now be turning our attention to trying to get champions league spots. From this point of view I would say that those 5 teams now above us in the league, with the possible addition of City (I'm thinking of next season now) are our main rivals - either for a CL, or at least a UEFA Cup spot. To sell our best players to these clubs would amount to professional suicide. If we want to progress both on and off the pitch, consistent long runs in Europe is a must. OK, you may argue that 18million for Lescott would enable us to invest in other players in other areas of the pitch. But the fact remains that we'd be getting rid of one of our (and England's) best defenders, and most likely it'd be to the people who we are trying to compete with.

We need to be keeping hold of all our best players, and trying to add more quality in areas where we are lacking.

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There are many defenders in the world who are better and more experienced than Lescott . City have the money to buy them all , so us keeping him isn't going to stop their little crusade .

The same can be said of Chelsea , or United , and Liverpool and Arsenal aren't skint themselves .

 

What I'm saying is that we are stuck for money , and Lescotts position is possible to repair should he leave .

It might not be repaired with someone as good without spending a similar fee , but in order to go forward , we need pace on the wings , creativity in midfield , and precision in the box .

 

City are throwing money around , and if they throw it our way for Lescott , then we should take it .

 

I would imagine the fee to be in excess of £20 million if City are determined enough . Any less and it's not worth our while .

 

We could do a lot with that kind of money elsewhere on the pitch .

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I can see your point - and over 20 million would obviously make one wonder.

 

But taking into consideration that we have an up hill struggle as it is: We're not the most attractive club that people want to come to, and we also don't have the funds to make us seem more attractive. I just think that we'd be making a big mistake selling him and then hoping to find an equal or better replacement, as well as adding to the other areas of the field.

 

I completely agree that it's a bit of pace up front/on the wing, and another creative midfield player that we need. But I don't think that selling JLo is the best option to fulfil that aim.

 

I'd prefer to let Cheebes go, though of course we wouldn't get as much.

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Unless we win the cup , and qualify for europe , I can't see this season generating any funds .

Unless Anichebe has a stormer untill the end of the season , we won't get much for him as only goals count . Arteta will do well to be fit in time for the start of next season . The Yak also , and if we have to go down the loan route again , it will be another tough year ahead of us .

Castillo will be gone too .

Jagielka can play anywhere at the back , so I can see all eyes on Coleman and Jacobsen next year . Fellaini has a big task ahead of him , otherwise he will be out of the door before his feet can touch the ground .

 

I would not only sell Lescott , but also Arteta and maybe even Yakubu . If we can get 40 mill for the 3 , then Moyes is a decent spender of money ( except for big bird so far ) :P

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Unless we win the cup , and qualify for europe , I can't see this season generating any funds .

Unless Anichebe has a stormer untill the end of the season , we won't get much for him as only goals count . Arteta will do well to be fit in time for the start of next season . The Yak also , and if we have to go down the loan route again , it will be another tough year ahead of us .

Castillo will be gone too .

Jagielka can play anywhere at the back , so I can see all eyes on Coleman and Jacobsen next year . Fellaini has a big task ahead of him , otherwise he will be out of the door before his feet can touch the ground .

 

I would not only sell Lescott , but also Arteta and maybe even Yakubu . If we can get 40 mill for the 3 , then Moyes is a decent spender of money ( except for big bird so far ) :P

 

 

Jags has been our player of the season so surely we could offload him and what about Tim Howard he has got to be one of the best keepers in the Prem so we could get a few bob for him as well.

Then the way Gosling and Rodwell are going we should soon to in a position to tout them around to any potentil buyers, there must be an ambitious club out there somewhere.

 

Then with all the money we could buy some crap or unheard of players that nobody else wants and wouldnt that be great!

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Jags has been our player of the season so surely we could offload him and what about Tim Howard he has got to be one of the best keepers in the Prem so we could get a few bob for him as well.

Then the way Gosling and Rodwell are going we should soon to in a position to tout them around to any potentil buyers, there must be an ambitious club out there somewhere.

 

Then with all the money we could buy some crap or unheard of players that nobody else wants and wouldnt that be great!

 

 

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Jags has been our player of the season so surely we could offload him and what about Tim Howard he has got to be one of the best keepers in the Prem so we could get a few bob for him as well.

Then the way Gosling and Rodwell are going we should soon to in a position to tout them around to any potentil buyers, there must be an ambitious club out there somewhere.

 

Then with all the money we could buy some crap or unheard of players that nobody else wants and wouldnt that be great!

 

You obviously didn't notice the tongue and cheek smiley , but still :)

 

Howard is 30 next month , so yes , if a good offer came in for him it would be worth considering .

Gosling is nothing special , and though he is young and has lots of potential , he still has to prove himself . Noone will offer good money for him at the moment .

Rodwell is getting an awful lot of praise at the moment , mainly because of his age , but he is simply doing a good job at the moment , and yes , possibly beyond his years , but that doesn't mean he is doing the same job as Fabregas or Ronaldo does it ? He is simply doing a good job . If he was 25 , people wouldn't notice him . Again , he has potential , but very much a lot to learn and much to develop .

Arteta is one of our better players , but nowhere near the same class as the top midfielders in the prem .

He has a battle ahead of him to gain fitness and will probably struggle next season . He is 27 next month , so if he does struggle next season , he will be 29 before the start of the next . Are you telling me if a big bid came in then there is nobody to replace him ?

Arteta , Lescott , Cahill , Jags , Howard and Gosling were all very cheap buys , with Howard the only proven name amongst them at time of purchase .

Noone is saying sell sell sell , but if the right money came in , then it would be the right option for certain players , as there are loads of great players waiting in the wings under the radar so to speak , who will be the next generation of Everton stars .

It's not like we're about to lose Torres , Gerrard , Lampard , Ronaldo or Kaka for Pete's sake .

We have good players , but we don't have great players as such . Sometimes you need to take a step back to move forward , unless we suddenly get rich .

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selling a player for a profit should not be on our agenda anymore, i thought as a club we were past them days now. stabilised is what the club call us now. if a player is in our starting 11 week in week out we should not be considering selling them, unless there was an obviously ridiculous offer on the table. im not talking about £15m for lescott, im talking like £50m for one of our top players. we need players on the pitch, not just money in the bank.

 

NOT FOR SALE, JOG ON!

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surely the exception to the above ^^^^ is if a player wants to leave!

 

Use Lescott as an example, if Moyes wanted to keep playing him at left back, and it pissed Lescott off enough to think about leaving.In fact, say he puts in a transfer request, you have a player whos not happy!, will he perform week in week out?, put his neck on the line!Do you then think about £15million for a player not happy at the club!

 

Could have happened with Arteta, maybe wanting a move back to Spain for personal reasons, or with Lescott, who some said wasn't happy with the left back position.

 

Just a different slant on things!.....we are all selling clubs in certain situations.

 

ps.....I don't want to sell anyone, unless they want out...... :gay: I'm allowed to use this little man because I've got a fractured wrist! :gay: :gay:

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selling a player for a profit should not be on our agenda anymore, i thought as a club we were past them days now. stabilised is what the club call us now. if a player is in our starting 11 week in week out we should not be considering selling them, unless there was an obviously ridiculous offer on the table. im not talking about £15m for lescott, im talking like £50m for one of our top players. we need players on the pitch, not just money in the bank.

 

NOT FOR SALE, JOG ON!

 

Selling for profit is banking the money you get from a sale .

Accepting a good offer for a player in order to create funds which will be reinvested in new faces isn't selling for profit . I would like to keep the team intact for many reasons , but players come and go , and to move forward , you must be open minded . If an offer came in for one of our players that we couldn't refuse , then accepting it and putting the money to good use is good business , and maintains ambition . Pocketing it like some clubs do shows no ambition at all .

All hypothetical , but it will be interesting to see what happens in the summer , if in fact it hasn't already been done in a gentlemans agreement :lol:

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If an offer of around £15 to £20 million was on the table for any of the mentioned players i am sure the Club would have serious thoughts about taking it not that i would but i suspect the Club would. Before the start of this season i am sure if someone had come in for Jags with a £15 million offer most if not all would have wanted the club to snap their hands off but he is obviously at present to valuable to let go.

I dont think we should really lose anyone bar Vic Vdm Castillo unless he puts in a very good shift until the end of the season and maybe Jo depending on his performances so we are maybe three or four players short to what we have now if that is the case and as Stevo has said this Club should be in a position to buy not sell to buy its about time we added quality to our squad without having to sell players for funds.

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surely the exception to the above ^^^^ is if a player wants to leave!

 

agree with you there, if a player wants to leave then yes, no use having unhappy players

 

Selling for profit is banking the money you get from a sale .

Accepting a good offer for a player in order to create funds which will be reinvested in new faces isn't selling for profit . I would like to keep the team intact for many reasons , but players come and go , and to move forward , you must be open minded . If an offer came in for one of our players that we couldn't refuse , then accepting it and putting the money to good use is good business , and maintains ambition . Pocketing it like some clubs do shows no ambition at all .

All hypothetical , but it will be interesting to see what happens in the summer , if in fact it hasn't already been done in a gentlemans agreement :lol:

 

i see your point, but then other teams know you have the cash to spend, players values go up. and its not often a team like ours can sell a player and buy a better one with the money they bring in.

 

this Club should be in a position to buy not sell to buy its about time we added quality to our squad without having to sell players for funds.

 

indeed, sell the squad players to buy first team players, then the current first team players become the squad players. progress.

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There seems to be an underlying fatalist thread to this thread...................Lescott is happy here, someone has guessed he may leave based on a pure hunch as no offers have been made for the player. Moyes is more than happy with him and would sell Yobo before being forced to sell Lescott.........................its a no brainer really.

 

If somebody comes in with a stupid offer for him the same principles will apply to that offer as would apply to a similar offer being made for Stevie La, no player on Gods earth is valueless, the term 'if the right offer comes in' applies to all clubs for asll players. If the new UEFA proposals become law then Lescott and others will certainly become worth substantially more being home grown......................so watch this space but at present he is going no where

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