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Man Of The Match V Middlesbrough

MOTM v Boro  

67 members have voted

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    • Tim Howard
      0
    • Phil Jagielka
      0
    • Joesph Yobo
      1
    • Joleon Lescott
      7
    • Leighton Baines
      2
    • Jack Rodwell
      0
    • Phil Neville
      11
    • Leon Osman
      1
    • Steven Pienaar
      10
    • Marouane Fellaini
      19
    • Tim Cahill
      3
    • Louis Saha
      13


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We're on our way to Wembley

My knees have gone all trembly..

 

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Current Player of the Year standings....

Jagielka 214

Arteta 164

Cahill 123

Baines 115

Fellaini 95

Osman 82

Neville 70

Howard 61

Pienaar 57

Saha 48

Lescott 44

João Alves Jô 37

Rodwell 29

Gosling 26

Anichebe 21

Castillo 20

Hibbert 15

Baadhi 13

Vaughan 11

Yakubu 10

Van der Meyde 10

Yobo 8

Baxter 4

Valente 2

 

MOTM winners....

 

Blackburn (H)...Mikel Arteta

West Brom (A)...Leon Osman

Portsmouth (H)...Leighton Baines

Stoke City (A)...Tim Cahill

Standard Liege (H)...Segundo Castillo

Hull City (A)...Leon Osman

Blackburn (A)...Louis Saha

Liverpool (H)...Phil Jagielka

Standard Liege (A)...Phil Jagielka

Newcastle (H)...Leighton Baines

Arsenal (A)...Marouane Fellaini

Manchester United (H)...Marouane Fellaini

Bolton (A)...Marouane Fellaini

Fulham (H)...Phil Jagielka

West Ham (A)...Louis Saha

Middlesbrough (H)...Phil Neville

Wigan (A)...Tim Howard

Spurs (A)...Phil Jagielka

Aston Villa (H)...Joleon Lescott

Man City (A)...Tim Cahill

Chelsea (H)...Leon Osman

Middlesbrough (A)...Mikel Arteta

Sunderland (H)...Mikel Arteta

Macclesfield (A)...Leighton Baines

Hull (A)...Mikel Arteta

Liverpool (A-league)...Leighton Baines

Liverpool (A-Cup)...Phil Jagielka

Arsenal (H)...Tim Cahill

Manchester United (A)...Tim Howard

Liverpool (H-Cup replay)...Phil Jagielka

Bolton (H)...João Alves Jô

Aston Villa (H)...Mikel Arteta

Newcastle (A)...Jack Rodwell

West Brom (H)...Steven Pienaar

Blackburn (A)...Phil Neville

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Fellaini for me, always causing problems and took his goal well.

 

 

Saha would've definitely been it had he scored that second chance.

 

 

Other contenders were Pienaar and Cahill for their all-round performance, effort and touches and each getting an assist.

 

 

And also that brain cell in Moyes' brain which thought to bring on Saha. :lol:

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Ive give it to Fellaini thought he worked hard today sum of his passes went a stray but he worked hard and caused boro problems all day and got a goal. The blues are comin to wembley!!! Coyb!!

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Fellani for me.He could have scored twice and looking dangerous always. passed the ball well.

 

Very impressed by lescott too as i saw him on several crutial occassions.

 

Midfielders played well on the whole with osman not playing equally well as others.

 

Saha had a good game,scored a vital game for us now i see him back on track to the scoresheet. Hopefully he keeps delivering in the rest of season. To me he is like a killer with instinct goal-scoring abilities.

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Could have given it to Mo, for the same reasons others have but I went for Saha, simply because we looked a lot more dangerous once he came on and made us look a lot more threatening.

I think he should be on from the start if he's fit. Saying that, it might be worth not playing him until we get to the semi's just to make sure he doesn't pick up any more injuries. :unsure:

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Saying that, it might be worth not playing him until we get to the semi's just to make sure he doesn't pick up any more injuries. :unsure:

Exactly. Hope the club puts in a huge order down at the nearest cotton wool shop and wraps him up tightly in it to be opened only in dire emergency before April :) .

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i thought fellaini was poor, expected him to come off at half time. mostly due to the defence of boro pulling and punching the crap out of him, and the ref doing nothing. thought pienaar was fantastic all over the pitch today.

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Pienaar was good today , as was Neville , but the guy who impressed me the most , and possibly the only guy to actually improve his performance was the big guy .

Fellaini has come under a lot of stick recently , but I noticed a big desire in him today , and thought for the most part was our biggest assest . He was treated badly by the boro players , and kept his cool for most of it , especially as he had no back up from the boys in black . Deserved the goal for his efforts , and covered the whole pitch .

Well done lad .

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i thought fellaini was poor, expected him to come off at half time. mostly due to the defence of boro pulling and punching the crap out of him, and the ref doing nothing. thought pienaar was fantastic all over the pitch today.

I semi agree with that and Jimmy's comments as well, Fellaini wasn't particularly brilliant but scored a goal which seems to be enough in some people's eyes to get motm. Pienaar was excellent and worked his nuts off but for me Neville was outstanding again. I would also like to say how much better we look with Cahill in midfield, in the first half with the ultra negative Rodwell/Neville partnership we looked abysmal (again) but as soon as Rodwell went off and Cahill went into midfield we had some urgency and energy, Cahill and Neville were brilliant in that second half but Neville gets my motm for the second match running. Lescott also played very very well.

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Even without the goal , he was still my motm :)

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Can surely only be Saha, we were very very poor, then Saha was brought on and we should have won by more than 1 goal.

We will have our work cut out to win the cup now with how bare we are, United then probably Chelsea in the final, but who knows.........

 

Bring em on................

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i thought fellaini was poor, expected him to come off at half time. mostly due to the defence of boro pulling and punching the crap out of him, and the ref doing nothing. thought pienaar was fantastic all over the pitch today.

 

 

Steve, after reading your post, I could not agree with you anymore. Maro was crap in the first half, Moyes must have sorted him out at half time. Also Pienaar was fantasic! and yes, that ref was sh*te!

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I gave it to Saha his introduction changed our shape and we looked far more composed and balanced and added the winner. I thought a few of the lads had good games in the second half Pienaar had a great game and put in a good shift. I thought Rodwell was non existent today had a very quite game also Osman was poor in most parts AGAIN we had very little on the right he simply can not cut it on the wing he is simply not good enough he also goes missing when he switches inside if not for being short on numbers i wouldn't start him very poor.

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What did you guys make of Howard today ?

Didn't look a happy bunny at all :huh:

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I gave it to Saha his introduction changed our shape and we looked far more composed and balanced and added the winner. I thought a few of the lads had good games in the second half Pienaar had a great game and put in a good shift. I thought Rodwell was non existent today had a very quite game also Osman was poor in most parts again we had very little on the right again he simply can not cut it on the wing nowhere near good enough he also goes missing when he switches inside if not for being short on numbers i wouldn't start him very poor.

 

That post summed up my reasons for choosing Saha this time round. He definatly changed the game for us and ensured that we got a place at Wembley. He showed just what he is capable of with another fine goal. He just gets better and better. Rodwell was poor today and I think the reason for this was lack of experiance, it was a cup Quarter Final and Middlesbrough had come out on machine-gun fire. He needed to be taken off and replaced with someone (like Saha) with good understanding and experiance of a cup game.

 

He definatly got us through this game, I'm unsure what would have happened without him, he deserves a lot of credit.

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What did you guys make of Howard today ?

Didn't look a happy bunny at all :huh:

 

i think a keeper needs to be moody, get on everyones back so they dont mess up.

anyone see southall with a smile on his face in the middle of a hard fought game?

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i thought felliani had a good game today as ive said before for the last few weeks hes been playing with a cracked bone in his back, hes been played out of position and i thought he deserved motm today worked hard got the shit kicked out of him to and he kissed the badge when he scored lol

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What did you guys make of Howard today ?

Didn't look a happy bunny at all :huh:

 

The thing that makes Howard the good keeper he is is that he is always in a seemingly bad mood. He's always screaming at each individual in the team which makes them aware of everything around them. There's no point having a goalkeeper that can't shout and get on people's backs. He's there to motivate the team and make sure that nothing goes into the net. He's the last resort, if he can make the defence do all the work then that means another clean sheet for him. The more he shouts the more the team works.

 

He's on of the best that I have seen at Goodison. Like StevO said, I don't remember seeing Neville Southall smiling and laughing in his goal-mouth midway through an important game. 100% focus is the key to winning any game.

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i thought fellaini was poor, expected him to come off at half time. mostly due to the defence of boro pulling and punching the crap out of him, and the ref doing nothing. thought pienaar was fantastic all over the pitch today.

Agreed totally with Stevo, thought Felly was awful today, gave the ball away needlessly several times in the first half and I too expected him to be subbed at half time. Improved second half though and did what he does best in causing panic with his height in the penalty area.

 

Oh, and Pienaar for me though thought Baines and Neville had a good game.

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My vote went for Saha. He added something for our team what was missing forst half. He gave more options to attack and more space for fellainin as example who were avalable to score. Also Bainer and Pienaar played well on together at left side and Pienaars cross for Saha`s goal were beauty.

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How the hell has Phil Neville only got 3 votes? He was immense today, others played well in patches but Neville is the ONLY player to play consistantly well throughout the whole game. His reading of the game was very good, his positioning, his tackeling, his passing. He lead by example.

 

Fellaini played well in patches, but went missing occaisonally and also put a few balls astray, he would probably be my second choice for MOTM but he did not do enough to be considered MOTM.

 

Obviously its objective but i seriuosly believe that Neville deserves a hell of alot more credit than 3 votes.

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How the hell has Phil Neville only got 3 votes? He was immense today, others played well in patches but Neville is the ONLY player to play consistantly well throughout the whole game. His reading of the game was very good, his positioning, his tackeling, his passing. He lead by example.

 

Fellaini played well in patches, but went missing occaisonally and also put a few balls astray, he would probably be my second choice for MOTM but he did not do enough to be considered MOTM.

 

Obviously its objective but i seriuosly believe that Neville deserves a hell of alot more credit than 3 votes.

 

 

Spot on mate. I'm not sure why he hasn't got the recognition that performance deserved, maybe people have their blinkers on. I thought he was excellent though and comfortably MOTM.

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I think that Neville has been overlooked this season. He has been a fantastic captain and is one of those people that gets the team out of the shitter when they are down. He's a really good motivator and is a captain that would do well at any team, he's definatly one of the best that I have seen so far at Everton. I'm pleased that he has Everton in his blood. He seems to really enjoy it here and I hope that he stays for many more seasons to come (hopefully until he retires)

 

His passing today was top notch and his work rate was again 110%, he's not going to be as zippy because of his age and his general position but he definatly puts in the same work rate. He has been one of the best players this season for me along with Jagielka and maybe does deserve more MOTM votes today. He deserves more this season because he has been our rock. Even when we had that early season turmoil he was putting in good games. His focus is superb, notice how he is before a game in the tunnel - eyes locked, getting into the zone.

 

Can't praise this guy enough to be honest. He's an awesome captain.

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I'm nearly lost for words, some peeps view of this game and the players performances has astonished me, i really think we should think about abandoning the MOTM altogether, peeps are voting for their favourite player no matter how he plays, which in the final analysis makes a mockery of the whole thing.

 

My vote goes to the man who WAS the man of the match, who held the side together when we where on the floor, and who did twice as much work as anybody else on the pitch, Captain Phil Neville was by far the best man on the pitch.

closely followed by Pienaar and Lescott.

 

 

We where shit for 70 minutes of this game, the only time we looked better than them was for 20 minutes of the 2nd half, and this was a team that has only won one game of their last 16, has only scored 8 goals in 14 away games and are lying 2nd from bottom in the league. We can thank the gods that we were'nt playing a half decent team.

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Not voted yet myself.

 

Don't have Setanta and couldn't get a reliable stream....I'll see what sort of coverage we get on ITV tonight and then see if I can make an informed decision :) .

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there was no obvious motm but I think Pienaar deserved it today, always has composure on the ball and always looks to go forward and attack. Fellaini was back to his best in the second half but not enough to give a motm.

 

how Saha got motm on setanta suprised me, it seems who ever scores these days gets motm but he did make a big impact on the game.

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I'm nearly lost for words, some peeps view of this game and the players performances has astonished me, i really think we should think about abandoning the MOTM altogether, peeps are voting for their favourite player no matter how he plays, which in the final analysis makes a mockery of the whole thing.

 

My vote goes to the man who WAS the man of the match, who held the side together when we where on the floor, and who did twice as much work as anybody else on the pitch, Captain Phil Neville was by far the best man on the pitch.

closely followed by Pienaar and Lescott.

 

 

We where shit for 70 minutes of this game, the only time we looked better than them was for 20 minutes of the 2nd half, and this was a team that has only won one game of their last 16, has only scored 8 goals in 14 away games and are lying 2nd from bottom in the league. We can thank the gods that we were'nt playing a half decent team.

Couldn't agree more. As I said before, and mark did as well. MOTM by a mile.

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Don't forget Fell is only 21 years old and it's his first season in The Premier League, according to me he's playing a great first season. Take for example Shevshenko a few years back, great player in Milan but in Chelsea he was a zero.

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I'm nearly lost for words, some peeps view of this game and the players performances has astonished me, i really think we should think about abandoning the MOTM altogether, peeps are voting for their favourite player no matter how he plays, which in the final analysis makes a mockery of the whole thing.

 

My vote goes to the man who WAS the man of the match, who held the side together when we where on the floor, and who did twice as much work as anybody else on the pitch, Captain Phil Neville was by far the best man on the pitch.

closely followed by Pienaar and Lescott.

 

 

We where shit for 70 minutes of this game, the only time we looked better than them was for 20 minutes of the 2nd half, and this was a team that has only won one game of their last 16, has only scored 8 goals in 14 away games and are lying 2nd from bottom in the league. We can thank the gods that we were'nt playing a half decent team.

 

if that were the case, wouldn't we have the same MOTM every game?

or at the very least have the same players receive the same minimum of votes each game? (which is not the case)

 

do you actually disagree with the overall standings of MOTM? .. I find them to be quite accurate with Jagielka and Arteta leading the pack. Maybe only Neville should be a little higher. So this also unjustifies your statement...

 

I watched the whole game on tv (so no streaming problems, didn't miss a thing) and I can't believe you thought Neville was -BY FAR- the best player .. but that doesn't mean to me that you just vote Neville because you like him, I respect the fact that you saw the game that way even though I didn't..

 

we were indeed playing bad for a large part of this game, however we played much better than those atrocious efforts against newcastle and blackburn .. you need to look at this game in that light and then you can't deny obvious progress.. I actually applaud the fact that the overall sentiment on this forum is now one of optimism .. one good half and we're immediately behind our players again without bitching about this and that... we can build on this!

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I'm nearly lost for words, some peeps view of this game and the players performances has astonished me, i really think we should think about abandoning the MOTM altogether, peeps are voting for their favourite player no matter how he plays, which in the final analysis makes a mockery of the whole thing.

 

My vote goes to the man who WAS the man of the match, who held the side together when we where on the floor, and who did twice as much work as anybody else on the pitch, Captain Phil Neville was by far the best man on the pitch.

closely followed by Pienaar and Lescott.

 

 

We where shit for 70 minutes of this game, the only time we looked better than them was for 20 minutes of the 2nd half, and this was a team that has only won one game of their last 16, has only scored 8 goals in 14 away games and are lying 2nd from bottom in the league. We can thank the gods that we were'nt playing a half decent team.

 

Well said Bill. I was first to vote for Nev and it surprised me how many were voting for the goal scorers without a thought for who was making the team tick. Saha missed chances he should have converted, Fellaini gave a vastly improved performance, it was about time but all match Nev was a trojan and it staggers me why others just can't see it. Pienaar was working away to to little avail and some of his passing, like Fellaini, was woeful. I suppose it has something to do with giving a dog a bad name, the Hibbophobics will know what I'm talking about. Like you I wish some could look beyond the end of their noses and actual appreciate the game.

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I know Saha changed the game but I went with Lescott because he saved our bacon on at least 2 occasions. Without him we'd be going up to the North East for a replay.

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What did you guys make of Howard today ?

Didn't look a happy bunny at all :huh:

 

 

i think a keeper needs to be moody, get on everyones back so they dont mess up.

anyone see southall with a smile on his face in the middle of a hard fought game?

 

 

The thing that makes Howard the good keeper he is is that he is always in a seemingly bad mood. He's always screaming at each individual in the team which makes them aware of everything around them. There's no point having a goalkeeper that can't shout and get on people's backs. He's there to motivate the team and make sure that nothing goes into the net. He's the last resort, if he can make the defence do all the work then that means another clean sheet for him. The more he shouts the more the team works.

 

 

He's on of the best that I have seen at Goodison. Like StevO said, I don't remember seeing Neville Southall smiling and laughing in his goal-mouth midway through an important game. 100% focus is the key to winning any game.

 

Sorry guys if I wasn't clear enough .

 

What I meant was that Howard looked a little nervous throughout the match , and certainly wasn't his assured self either with his hands or his feet .

Definitely looked alike he was having one of those days . :)

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I'm nearly lost for words, some peeps view of this game and the players performances has astonished me, i really think we should think about abandoning the MOTM altogether, peeps are voting for their favourite player no matter how he plays, which in the final analysis makes a mockery of the whole thing.

 

My vote goes to the man who WAS the man of the match, who held the side together when we where on the floor, and who did twice as much work as anybody else on the pitch, Captain Phil Neville was by far the best man on the pitch.

closely followed by Pienaar and Lescott.

 

 

We where shit for 70 minutes of this game, the only time we looked better than them was for 20 minutes of the 2nd half, and this was a team that has only won one game of their last 16, has only scored 8 goals in 14 away games and are lying 2nd from bottom in the league. We can thank the gods that we were'nt playing a half decent team.

 

Admin abuse :lol:

 

Some credit has to go to Boro for the first half too . Not only were we not at our best , but they also played well first half .

 

It seems to me there is a bit of a come down from the highs in December / January / February , and some of us are still expecting similar performances . In a way , we are giving a good account of ourselves , especially considering our injuries , and also the fact that we have a cup tied striker .

 

December

 

7 Dec, 16:00 Everton 2 - 3 Aston Villa Premier League

13 Dec, 15:00 Manchester City 0 - 1 Everton Premier League ( efctaxi joins forum :P )

22 Dec, 20:00 Everton 0 - 0 Chelsea Premier League

26 Dec, 15:00 Middlesbrough 0 - 1 Everton Premier League

28 Dec, 14:00 Everton 3 - 0 Sunderland Premier League

 

January

 

3 Jan, 15:00 Macclesfield Town 0 - 1 Everton FA Cup

10 Jan, 15:00 Everton 2 - 0 Hull City Premier League

19 Jan, 20:00 Liverpool 1 - 1 Everton Premier League

25 Jan, 16:00 Liverpool 1 - 1 Everton FA Cup

28 Jan, 20:00 Everton 1 - 1 Arsenal Premier League

31 Jan, 17:30 Manchester United 1 - 0 Everton Premier League

 

February

 

4 Feb, 20:10 Everton 1 - 0 Liverpool FA Cup

7 Feb, 15:00 Everton 3 - 0 Bolton Wanderers Premier League

15 Feb, 14:30 Everton 3 - 1 Aston Villa FA Cup

22 Feb, 16:00 Newcastle United 0 - 0 Everton Premier League

28 Feb, 12:45 Everton 2 - 0 West Bromwich Premier League

 

March

 

4 Mar, 20:00 Blackburn Rovers 0 - 0 Everton Premier League

8 Mar, 16:00 Everton 2 - 1 Middlesbrough FA Cup

 

2 losses in 18 games , or more importantly only 1 loss in 17 games since Villa , and that was against United , and a penalty at that :)

That's over 3 months of absolute quality , and though we're struggling a little , we're still getting results , and not losing .

 

I'm surprised the monthly awards only happened once for our team .

 

Gotta stay positive :)

 

Neville might have been overlooked and Fellaini chosen , but it's all opinion .

Setanta gave the motm to Saha , but despite Neville having another good game , I certainly didn't offer my vote to Fellaini because he is my favourite player lol . My favourite player is a toss up between Baines and believe it or not Neville , for 2 very different reasons .

Baines for bringing the squad to life , and Neville for being a great captain .

My motm is still big bird though :D

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I voted for Carsley he played great today, got us the points!

Fair enough :huh: .

 

 

..peeps are voting for their favourite player no matter how he plays..

If that was the case then Jags would be winning wouldn't he (and he has no votes at all)?

 

Or are you being Fellaini specific :D ?

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Some credit has to go to Boro for the first half too . Not only were we not at our best , but they also played well first half .

 

It seems to me there is a bit of a come down from the highs in December / January / February , and some of us are still expecting similar performances . In a way , we are giving a good account of ourselves , especially considering our injuries , and also the fact that we have a cup tied striker .

 

December

 

7 Dec, 16:00 Everton 2 - 3 Aston Villa Premier League

13 Dec, 15:00 Manchester City 0 - 1 Everton Premier League ( efctaxi joins forum :P )

22 Dec, 20:00 Everton 0 - 0 Chelsea Premier League

26 Dec, 15:00 Middlesbrough 0 - 1 Everton Premier League

28 Dec, 14:00 Everton 3 - 0 Sunderland Premier League

 

January

 

3 Jan, 15:00 Macclesfield Town 0 - 1 Everton FA Cup

10 Jan, 15:00 Everton 2 - 0 Hull City Premier League

19 Jan, 20:00 Liverpool 1 - 1 Everton Premier League

25 Jan, 16:00 Liverpool 1 - 1 Everton FA Cup

28 Jan, 20:00 Everton 1 - 1 Arsenal Premier League

31 Jan, 17:30 Manchester United 1 - 0 Everton Premier League

 

February

 

4 Feb, 20:10 Everton 1 - 0 Liverpool FA Cup

7 Feb, 15:00 Everton 3 - 0 Bolton Wanderers Premier League

15 Feb, 14:30 Everton 3 - 1 Aston Villa FA Cup

22 Feb, 16:00 Newcastle United 0 - 0 Everton Premier League

28 Feb, 12:45 Everton 2 - 0 West Bromwich Premier League

 

March

 

4 Mar, 20:00 Blackburn Rovers 0 - 0 Everton Premier League

8 Mar, 16:00 Everton 2 - 1 Middlesbrough FA Cup

 

2 losses in 18 games , or more importantly only 1 loss in 17 games since Villa , and that was against United , and a penalty at that :)

That's over 3 months of absolute quality , and though we're struggling a little , we're still getting results , and not losing .

 

I'm surprised the monthly awards only happened once for our team .

 

Gotta stay positive :)

 

Neville might have been overlooked and Fellaini chosen , but it's all opinion .

Setanta gave the motm to Saha , but despite Neville having another good game , I certainly didn't offer my vote to Fellaini because he is my favourite player lol . My favourite player is a toss up between Baines and believe it or not Neville , for 2 very different reasons .

Baines for bringing the squad to life , and Neville for being a great captain .

My motm is still big bird though :D

 

Morning Taxi youve had a late night, all those facts and figures look very nice and just shows how easily we should have disposed of Boro, who have had a complete reversal of those figures and only won one of the last 16 games.

They're all very nice stats but they have no relevance to the MOTM voting. ;)

 

The idea is that you choose the player you think gave the best performance for the 90 minutes against Boro, i know a lot of peeps see games in different ways and i usually respect thier vote, but on this occasion they are so far off the mark i wonder if they have ever seen a football match, and on what basis they judge an individual players performance.

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Fellaini was a joke as usual, cannot pass, has legs made of stone....anyway, MOTM was Neville. Never scared out of a challenge, linked up defenders with the wings (on the rare occasion that we didn't hoof it).

Closely followed by J Lo, put in some important blocks to keep us in the game.

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fellaini actually did a bit of running in this game and caused problems i said before it if hes playin hope its up top does a great job up there! big physical team and he did well not to retaliate to their bullyin and get a goal!

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I don't think it was just yesterday that Neville was overlooked but the last 5 or 6 games. Even when we were rubbish against Newcastle and Blackburn Neville was still performing well, when we played Villa in the cup when everyone raved about Rodwell, Neville still outshone him imo. He's been playing superb for months yet gets little or no recognition, if Rodwell ever wants to become a DM (I'm not convinced) then he could do with taking some lessons from Neville in how to go about it as at the moment Rodwell looks a little boy lost whilst Neville looks like a midfield general.

 

I'd also like to take up Jimmy's point about Hibbert in another post, he's another player who has been underappreciated this season, one mistake against Villa aside, he never put a foot wrong and we miss him badly at the moment as Jagielka isn't in the same class as a RB.

 

Looking at the motm standings for the season I think it's a joke how Neville, Hibbert, Howard and in particular Lescott aren't higher in the standings. Lescott has been just as good as Jags (and better in quite a few matches) for the past 3 or 4 months. He has hardly made a mistake, he's excellent in the air, nearly always in the right place and he is a lot better on the ball than Jags. As brilliant as Jags has been (and he has been brilliant), Lescott is the classier player.

 

oh and a mention for Osman yesterday, he wasn't 100% back to his best but he was 10000 times better than he has been in recent weeks, his energy and workrate seemed to be back as well. His closing down got us one of the goals.

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I don't think it was just yesterday that Neville was overlooked but the last 5 or 6 games. Even when we were rubbish against Newcastle and Blackburn Neville was still performing well, when we played Villa in the cup when everyone raved about Rodwell, Neville still outshone him imo. He's been playing superb for months yet gets little or no recognition, if Rodwell ever wants to become a DM (I'm not convinced) then he could do with taking some lessons from Neville in how to go about it as at the moment Rodwell looks a little boy lost whilst Neville looks like a midfield general.

 

I'd also like to take up Jimmy's point about Hibbert in another post, he's another player who has been underappreciated this season, one mistake against Villa aside, he never put a foot wrong and we miss him badly at the moment as Jagielka isn't in the same class as a RB.

 

Looking at the motm standings for the season I think it's a joke how Neville, Hibbert, Howard and in particular Lescott aren't higher in the standings. Lescott has been just as good as Jags (and better in quite a few matches) for the past 3 or 4 months. He has hardly made a mistake, he's excellent in the air, nearly always in the right place and he is a lot better on the ball than Jags. As brilliant as Jags has been (and he has been brilliant), Lescott is the classier player.

 

oh and a mention for Osman yesterday, he wasn't 100% back to his best but he was 10000 times better than he has been in recent weeks, his energy and workrate seemed to be back as well. His closing down got us one of the goals.

 

 

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if that were the case, wouldn't we have the same MOTM every game?

or at the very least have the same players receive the same minimum of votes each game? (which is not the case)

 

do you actually disagree with the overall standings of MOTM? .. I find them to be quite accurate with Jagielka and Arteta leading the pack. Maybe only Neville should be a little higher. So this also unjustifies your statement...

 

I watched the whole game on tv (so no streaming problems, didn't miss a thing) and I can't believe you thought Neville was -BY FAR- the best player .. but that doesn't mean to me that you just vote Neville because you like him, I respect the fact that you saw the game that way even though I didn't..

 

we were indeed playing bad for a large part of this game, however we played much better than those atrocious efforts against newcastle and blackburn .. you need to look at this game in that light and then you can't deny obvious progress.. I actually applaud the fact that the overall sentiment on this forum is now one of optimism .. one good half and we're immediately behind our players again without bitching about this and that... we can build on this!

Well I was at the game and, as I have said before, Neville was our best player BY FAR. You might have seen the game on TV but seeing the game live you get to see everything that the camera doesn't pick up on, as I am sure you already know. Neville lead the team by example yesterday. I am not a Neville fan boy. He is not my favourite player, though i do think he is a great captain. This will be one of the first times I have voted for him this season so its not favouritism on my behalf. I am just saying it as I saw it. Neville didn't put a foot wrong, many other players did.

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Sorry guys if I wasn't clear enough .

 

What I meant was that Howard looked a little nervous throughout the match , and certainly wasn't his assured self either with his hands or his feet .

Definitely looked alike he was having one of those days . :)

 

He did so what :lol::lol::lol::lol:

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Well I was at the game and, as I have said before, Neville was our best player BY FAR. You might have seen the game on TV but seeing the game live you get to see everything that the camera doesn't pick up on, as I am sure you already know. Neville lead the team by example yesterday. I am not a Neville fan boy. He is not my favourite player, though i do think he is a great captain. This will be one of the first times I have voted for him this season so its not favouritism on my behalf. I am just saying it as I saw it. Neville didn't put a foot wrong, many other players did.

 

Jamie, I watched it at home and Nev was BY FAR the best player on the park, you also know I'm not one of his biggest fans either. Basically that is what Bill was on about, the only explanation can be that those voting for the improved Mo wear wigs :(:P

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Holystove ........(1).. if that were the case, wouldn't we have the same MOTM every game?

or at the very least have the same players receive the same minimum of votes each game? (which is not the case)

 

 

(2)...do you actually disagree with the overall standings of MOTM? .. I find them to be quite accurate with Jagielka and Arteta leading the pack. Maybe only Neville should be a little higher. So this also unjustifies your statement...

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(1).. NO, because different peeps have different favourites and votes are spread. Early on in the season, i'm not sure which game it was and cant be bothered searching for it, we had a sub come on in the 85th minute and somebody actually voted for him as MOTM :huh: he was only on the pitch for 5 mins ffs, thats the sort of thing i'm talking about. And if you look back on all the threads you can find more examples.

 

(2).. YES, not so much the top 2 or 3 but as Carl has already pointed out in his post which is further up the thread, Neville, Lescott, Pienaar, and Hibbert havent recieved the votes they deserve, but the worst of all imo is Joseph Yobo :o even Noah Baahdi has had more votes than Yobo (8 points all season), that is idiotic.

All the players play for our team and should be looked on as equals but they're not, Arteta is most peoples darling and will always get some votes even when he has been rubbish, Hibbert is everybodys scapegoat and will never be given any votes even when he deserves them.

So what i'm saying is if people stop voting for their favourites and give their vote to somebody who actually has had a good game, it would cast a fairer reflection in the overall standings.

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Well I was at the game and, as I have said before, Neville was our best player BY FAR. You might have seen the game on TV but seeing the game live you get to see everything that the camera doesn't pick up on, as I am sure you already know. Neville lead the team by example yesterday. I am not a Neville fan boy. He is not my favourite player, though i do think he is a great captain. This will be one of the first times I have voted for him this season so its not favouritism on my behalf. I am just saying it as I saw it. Neville didn't put a foot wrong, many other players did.

 

Me too and agree with you 100%.

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(1).. NO, because different peeps have different favourites and votes are spread. Early on in the season, i'm not sure which game it was and cant be bothered searching for it, we had a sub come on in the 85th minute and somebody actually voted for him as MOTM :huh: he was only on the pitch for 5 mins ffs, thats the sort of thing i'm talking about. And if you look back on all the threads you can find more examples.

 

so how does that translate into this game? ... the equivalent of what you describe would be if for example Rodwell had received a vote seeing how he only played one half and not a very good one at that ...

while in this MOTM vote I think there's an argument to be made for every player that received a vote.

 

jamie's probably right in saying that you get a better sense of what Neville does when you're at the game, maybe he does a lot of stuff away from the ball that you don't get to see on TV...

 

anyway it doesn't matter.. I just thought that your post in which you said that you (an admin) wanted to abandon such a popular feature as MOTM because you didn't think it reflected the way you saw the game was something that needed to be responded to :) .

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Well yesterdays man of the match has opened up a can of worms and true to form I shall open it further with my own opinion, as viewed from my lovely speck in the Upper Gwladys Street. Apart from scoring Fellaini was atrocious and I can't believe the amount of MOM's votes he got for yesterday and I am one of his lesser critics, his passing was poor and his work rate was dismal. The defence was solid enough but did have some shaky moments and I believe that is because Jagielka is playing out of position. The best player was Neville, again he had to carry Rodwell, who like at Blackburn, looked out of his depth. Neville was tidy enough, strong in the tackle and won a fair few headers. I think he his an underrated player and does not seem to get any credit whatsoever, unlike flavours of the month.

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Cant agree more but keep it quiet or Taxi will want to sell them all!

 

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Holystove ........... I think there's an argument to be made for every player that received a vote.

 

 

But my argument is for those who didnt, Jagielka, Yobo, and Osman altho not at their best where still much better than Fellaini.

 

And i didnt say i wanted to abandon it ... Quote (i really think we should think about abandoning). Simply because its not giving a fair reflection of how most players have played.

 

You and i obviously dont see it the same so i will leave it at that, but i'm just hoping that this discussion has made some people aware that voting for favourites is not how its done, just asking peeps to be truthfull and be fair, they are all EFC players. ;)

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Holystove ........... I think there's an argument to be made for every player that received a vote.

 

 

But my argument is for those who didnt, Jagielka, Yobo, and Osman altho not at their best where still much better than Fellaini.

 

And i didnt say i wanted to abandon it ... Quote (i really think we should think about abandoning). Simply because its not giving a fair reflection of how most players have played.

 

You and i obviously dont see it the same so i will leave it at that, but i'm just hoping that this discussion has made some people aware that voting for favourites is not how its done, just asking peeps to be truthfull and be fair, they are all EFC players. ;)

 

Bill , with respect , why do you look at your view on the match as being the correct one ?

 

I have to be honest and say that some of your comments are slightly harsh . The whole idea of a vote is to allow folks to vote freely , and not have to justify themselves in doing so . What you are doing here is the equivalent of putting a bouncer on the door of voting booths to ensure votes go according to plan .

 

On this forum , there are members from all age groups , and each will have a different perspective and indeed opinion . If they vote , they should be allowed to vote without without having to justify themselves , or have others tell them they are wrong , or biased .

The fact that you are an admin still only gets you one vote ya big banana , so use it .

 

Accusing folks of voting for their favourites , or being untruthful or unfair is a bit ................. well ........... let's just say it's unexpected from a man of your intelligence and calibre :)

 

Now stop crying ya big closet red wally :lol:

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Bill , with respect , why do you look at your view on the match as being the correct one ?

 

I have to be honest and say that some of your comments are slightly harsh . The whole idea of a vote is to allow folks to vote freely , and not have to justify themselves in doing so . What you are doing here is the equivalent of putting a bouncer on the door of voting booths to ensure votes go according to plan .

 

On this forum , there are members from all age groups , and each will have a different perspective and indeed opinion . If they vote , they should be allowed to vote without without having to justify themselves , or have others tell them they are wrong , or biased .

The fact that you are an admin still only gets you one vote ya big banana , so use it .

 

Accusing folks of voting for their favourites , or being untruthful or unfair is a bit ................. well ........... let's just say it's unexpected from a man of your intelligence and calibre :)

 

Now stop crying ya big closet red wally :lol:

 

 

It was'nt just my view, lots of peeps also saw it that way, the only ones who didnt are the peeps who can only see one or two players ( the ones they like ) on the field, and dismiss the other nine. I havent mentioned any peeps in particular so if everybodys conscience is clear on how they voted and they think they have done the right thing they have nothing to get upset about. Is that why your having a go, didnt you vote Fellaini. ???

 

And i dont like the way you have a good go at me and then try to make out everything was a joke by trying to finish off by trying to be Humerous, thats a bit two faced for my liking.

Either you have a go or you dont, but you cant mix the two and get away without me responding. Ive agreed to dis-agree with Holystove and as far as i'm concerned the same goes for this conversation as well.

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It was'nt just my view, lots of peeps also saw it that way, the only ones who didnt are the peeps who can only see one or two players ( the ones they like ) on the field, and dismiss the other nine. I havent mentioned any peeps in particular so if everybodys conscience is clear on how they voted and they think they have done the right thing they have nothing to get upset about. Is that why your having a go, didnt you vote Fellaini. ???

 

And i dont like the way you have a good go at me and then try to make out everything was a joke by trying to finish off by trying to be Humerous, thats a bit two faced for my liking.

Either you have a go or you dont, but you cant mix the two and get away without me responding. Ive agreed to dis-agree with Holystove and as far as i'm concerned the same goes for this conversation as well.

 

Grow up Bill .

Is that having a go enough for you mate ? :angry:

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