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Man Of The Match V Sunderland

MOTM v Sunderland  

60 members have voted

  1. 1. ?????????????????????????????

    • Tim Howard
      0
    • Lars Jacobsen
      1
    • Joseph Yobo
      0
    • Joleon Lescott
      0
    • Leighton Baines
      0
    • Phil Neville
      0
    • Dan Gosling
      0
    • Marouane Fellaini
      5
    • Steven Pienaar
      53
    • Tim Cahill
      0
    • João Alves Jô
      1
    • Jack Rodwell
      0
    • Louis Saha
      0
    • Segundo Castillo
      0


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Current Player of the Year standings....

Jagielka 229

Fellaini 185

Baines 179

Arteta 164

Pienaar 142

Cahill 133

Neville 120

Osman 102

Howard 64

Saha 62

Lescott 57

João Alves Jô 39

Rodwell 29

Castillo 28

Gosling 28

Anichebe 21

Baadhi 17

Hibbert 16

Yobo 12

Vaughan 11

Yakubu 10

Van der Meyde 10

Baxter 4

Jacobsen 4

Valente 2

 

MOTM winners....

 

Blackburn (H)...Mikel Arteta

West Brom (A)...Leon Osman

Portsmouth (H)...Leighton Baines

Stoke City (A)...Tim Cahill

Standard Liege (H)...Segundo Castillo

Hull City (A)...Leon Osman

Blackburn (A)...Louis Saha

Liverpool (H)...Phil Jagielka

Standard Liege (A)...Phil Jagielka

Newcastle (H)...Leighton Baines

Arsenal (A)...Marouane Fellaini

Manchester United (H)...Marouane Fellaini

Bolton (A)...Marouane Fellaini

Fulham (H)...Phil Jagielka

West Ham (A)...Louis Saha

Middlesbrough (H)...Phil Neville

Wigan (A)...Tim Howard

Spurs (A)...Phil Jagielka

Aston Villa (H)...Joleon Lescott

Man City (A)...Tim Cahill

Chelsea (H)...Leon Osman

Middlesbrough (A)...Mikel Arteta

Sunderland (H)...Mikel Arteta

Macclesfield (A)...Leighton Baines

Hull (A)...Mikel Arteta

Liverpool (A-league)...Leighton Baines

Liverpool (A-Cup)...Phil Jagielka

Arsenal (H)...Tim Cahill

Manchester United (A)...Tim Howard

Liverpool (H-Cup replay)...Phil Jagielka

Bolton (H)...João Alves Jô

Aston Villa (H)...Mikel Arteta

Newcastle (A)...Jack Rodwell

West Brom (H)...Steven Pienaar

Blackburn (A)...Phil Neville

Middlesbrough (H)...Marouane Fellaini

Stoke City (H)...Marouane Fellaini

Portsmouth (A)...Leighton Baines

Wigan (H)...Marouane Fellaini

Aston Villa (A)...Steven Pienaar

Manchester United (Wembley)...Phil Neville

Chelsea (A)...Leighton Baines

Manchester City (H)...Marouane Fellaini

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Pienaar really shone in the second half , and gets my vote .

 

A mention for Jo also , who I thought was very good today .

 

Defence , including Neville also played very well . Pleased for Jacobsen .

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I'll start the ball rlling, Pienaar, been our most consistent performer for a month or two now and MOTM for sure today. Would be surprised if he gets less than 90% of the votes.

Voted for him with 20mins of the game to go :) .

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Pienaar, AGAIN, been our best player for a while and easily the same today, Yobo had a good game which is reassuring for the cup final, Sunderland were shite but Jones didnt win anything today against Yobo,

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PIENAAR, PIENAAR, PIENAAR!

 

(by the way, who voted for the worst player on the pitch?)

Felly or Jacobsen? I thought they were both poor today, Felly was giving the ball away far too often. Still an asset in the box though!

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Felly or Jacobsen? I thought they were both poor today, Felly was giving the ball away far too often. Still an asset in the box though!

 

Felly, was an absolute joke. Piss poor passing, sulky bastard, zero pace.....I just do not see it with him at all. Did grab a goal, so I'll give him that.

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Felly, was an absolute joke. Piss poor passing, sulky bastard, zero pace.....I just do not see it with him at all. Did grab a goal, so I'll give him that.

 

He needs to pass more firmly I agree , but to be fair EW , you haven't had many nice things to say about the guy since he arrived , and he has played very well on occasions .

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Pienaar by far, he's great with the ball at his feet but still his passing does let him down a bit too often and his shooting leaves a lot to be desired. Improvement on those points and he'll be in the running for best player next season.

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Pienaar was by far the star player yesterday. Excellent all round performance capped with a goal and an assist. Great to see him all over the pitch, his goal was through the centre and he popped up on the right to supply Fellaini for his. Piennars link up play with Baines has been a real success this season, if only Baines could improve on his crossing then that would be some potent attacking weapon. Lets hope all that is saved up for May 30th.

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if Pienaar plays like this every game, we could be in trouble....to keep him here :)

i started doubting him, alwyas running alot but too often without beeing really creative, proved me wrong yesterday.

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This one match ' could ' put Pienaar into 2nd place :huh:

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Why. ??? if he has been consistently getting votes for decent performances why is it silly.

Maybe now that arteta and jags are not available should we cut the competition short and leave it as it is.

 

Not so silly that somebosdy less fancied should win. He earns every vote he gets, not like some others who get votes just for being in the team.

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Why. ??? if he has been consistently getting votes for decent performances why is it silly.

Maybe now that arteta and jags are not available should we cut the competition short and leave it as it is.

 

Not so silly that somebosdy less fancied should win. He earns every vote he gets, not like some others who get votes just for being in the team.

 

If 300 of our members suddenly decide to vote next week , and Castillo plays a blinder , and gets their vote , he will then be our ' voted ' player of the season .

Go figure :D

 

Fellaini has won the most man of the matches .

Jags currently has the most points , but has won far less motm's .

 

The best players for me this season have been Fellaini , Jags , Pienaar , and Baines in no particular order .

Arteta and Cahill played well in patches , and the rest have played well , but haven't won too many votes .

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Why. ??? if he has been consistently getting votes for decent performances why is it silly.

Maybe now that arteta and jags are not available should we cut the competition short and leave it as it is.

 

Not so silly that somebosdy less fancied should win. He earns every vote he gets, not like some others who get votes just for being in the team.

But he has not consistently been getting votes. He has overwhelmingly won a couple. It would be a joke if Pienaar won the competition this year as he has not been our best performer throughout the year, its just that he has played his best games when other people have just been average so on certain weeks has raked in a huge percentage of votes.

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Again, if anyone can come up with a plan then let's hear it.

3-2-1 points for the top three, which we used to use and has been suggested again, is wrong for a couple of reasons in my view.

First, it wouldn't be enough reward for truly stand out performances like Pienaar's, which you do get with the current system.

Second, MOTM in a dire performance (Wigan away for example) would get the same points as MOTM in (say) the semi against United. That can't be right surely?

 

If 300 of our members suddenly decide to vote next week , and Castillo plays a blinder , and gets their vote , he will then be our ' voted ' player of the season .

Take your point Taxi but that's not going to happen, unless maybe it was on May 30th and he scored the winner after a stellar performance (in which case you could argue he deserves player of the season as his contribution [to the season] would be remembered long after everyone elses).

 

Ultimately, this year, the winner will be the person whose name has been clicked most often by TT members.....so if we get a joke result we only have ourselves to blame :) .

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First, it wouldn't be enough reward for truly stand out performances like Pienaar's, which you do get with the current system.

Second, MOTM in a dire performance (Wigan away for example) would get the same points as MOTM in (say) the semi against United. That can't be right surely?

 

Mike, I don't agree with this.

In a game a MOTM is always picked no matter how good or bad a game has been. When MOTM in a game is picked, he doesn't get an extra big bottle of champagne because he played so well he just gets a bottle of champagne regardless of the level of the performance. In the history books a player is marked as MOTM, not MOTM with an asterix and italic text saying "he played really well in this game.

 

Personally I like the 3-2-1 points system, that way a consistent performer gets the points - just like a team winning a game, they get 3 points not more points if they score over 5 goals in the game etc.

 

Just my 2p worth... :)

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It is a tricky one, but personally I think it should be the three point system (or something along those lines). Even if the team give a dire performance then the MOTm still deserves as much credit. It's like if someone finishes as top scorer for the team, just becasue some goals where scrappy in a bad game, it should not detract from other goals or the overall tally at the end of the season.

 

I have stayed out of this debate which seems to have reoccured throughout the year because I have always felt that the overall table has fairly shown who has been our best players, but with Pienaat storming up the table with only 2 brilliant performances this year it shows that something needs to be done. Don't get me wrong, Pienaar deserved to be MOTM in those 2 great performances, but to possibly win our award? That seems a little much to me and just shows there should be a re-think.

 

This is all just my opinion though and I don't want to criticise to heavily as it is clearly a trciky area and there is no black and white clear answer to to situation.

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In a game a MOTM is always picked no matter how good or bad a game has been. When MOTM in a game is picked, he doesn't get an extra big bottle of champagne because he played so well he just gets a bottle of champagne regardless of the level of the performance. In the history books a player is marked as MOTM, not MOTM with an asterix and italic text saying "he played really well in this game.

 

Personally I like the 3-2-1 points system, that way a consistent performer gets the points - just like a team winning a game, they get 3 points not more points if they score over 5 goals in the game etc.

 

Just my 2p worth... :)

Take your point; following that through then should we just give one point for MOTM and nothing for anyone else?

Trouble is that Felli has got (as Taxi said) most MOTM's so he'd win under that system, and I don't think there's many on here who think that'd be the right result.

 

Giving 2 and 1 points for games like Sunday's seems open to the "voting for favourites" that everyone hates. Couple of people giving a daft vote for (say) Saha and he's on the podium :) .

And again, I've not added it up, but I suspect that Fellaini would be ahead under that system as well.

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Take your point; following that through then should we just give one point for MOTM and nothing for anyone else?

Trouble is that Felli has got (as Taxi said) most MOTM's so he'd win under that system, and I don't think there's many on here who think that'd be the right result.

 

Giving 2 and 1 points for games like Sunday's seems open to the "voting for favourites" that everyone hates. Couple of people giving a daft vote for (say) Saha and he's on the podium :) .

And again, I've not added it up, but I suspect that Fellaini would be ahead under that system as well.

 

Oh dear, didn't think about that...let's not use that system then! :lol:

 

Seriously though, it is a difficult one to suit everybody. However, if that is the way the votes go then that is the way votes go. Just look at PFA player of the year, Giggs!??!?! Based on this seasons performance from Giggs I think not, players seemed to vote for him as a tribute (ala Felli IMO).

 

I do think a strict points system is better than a cumulative per match vote system...but still don't have a definitive answer for you.

 

:)

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... but I suspect that Fellaini would be ahead under that system as well.

 

so we need a system to avoid that .. hmmm :)

well maybe we can start by giving each English player a 1 vote headstart just to make it work for efctaxi :P .. even our coach is scottish , where will it end?

 

 

or here's what you could do : just have the MOTM as it is now, but don't count up the votes. Just register as "this guy won that week". Then at the end of the season, have a new poll. Give the data on who won different MOTM throughout the year, so people can remember how certain games went. That'll be the player of the year poll. I'm sure in this season, jags would win in such a scenario. So there's a system in which an English player wins, and Fellaini might not even crack the top 5. :D

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I think the current system works well with the only flaw being the number of votes made on a weekly basis (i.e some weeks may see 20 votes whereas other see 50 therefore the players winning in those weeks would benefit greatly). The only way around this as far as I can see is to award points based on the percentage of the vote therefore each game offers an equal number of points.

 

Just a thought but as i said I think the current system is ok!

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i think this is the best system we have now, looking at the table as it is, i think most would agree its pretty fair.

 

maybe have a side award for total of MOTM as well

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Few ideas , not all feasable .

 

1 . Give motm it's own forum .

Prevent the results from being shown untill the poll is closed , and change the admin settings to ' can post ' and ' can't read ' .

This then stops people from simply casting their vote along with the majority .

 

Once the majority of votes are in , then allow everyone to ' read ' again , and discuss accordingly , by either dragging it into a different forum , or lifting the admin settings untill the next one .

Would be fun to see what everyone had written with their first ' unbiased ' post . :lol:

 

2 . Have a poll which allows us to give each player a mark seperately , with the maximum number of players used being the maximum number score your motm can get .

Injured players get an ' average mark ' per game in their absence . This would still allow players to receive votes in honour of past performances . Everybody gets at least marks .

 

3 . 3-2-1 is unfair .

The whole team can play well , and only 3 guys get points . Not good .

If we are playing badly , the defence will likely get motm , because the midfield is breaking down . The strikers can't do too much about it if they don't get the ball etc .

 

Fook . Missing match . Cya :lol:

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Taxi said .........The best players for me this season have been Fellaini , Jags , Pienaar , and Baines in no particular order.

 

I agree, and thats how it shows up in the list at present, so why is it the wrong way to do it. ?

 

 

Tho i do think that the Grand Prix scoring might be a better way of doing it, The man with the most votes gets 6 points and decrease by one for each position after that down to 1 vote for the sixth highest, thats if 6 players do get votes of course.

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the same arguments every year, as bill said, the table reflects most peoples opinions, so we must be doing something right.

its not often more than 3 players shine in a match, its fair as it is.

 

and please, everybody consider the amount of work mike already puts into this!

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I also agree...our top four are our top four, which says to me that the system is working. It never occurred to me that there might be a problem with it. And the only ways I can think to change it that might make it fairer all involve some funky algebra that I don't think Mike would want to get into.

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I agree .

Give it to Mo and let's have done with it ( before Jimmy gets back lol ) :lol:

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