MikeO Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Having come with a late run to beat long time leader Phil Jagielka the ToffeeTalk player of the season for 2008/9 is... Steven Pienaar Final Player of the Year standings.... Pienaar 243 Jagielka 229 Fellaini 219 Baines 186 Arteta 164 Cahill 140 Neville 134 Osman 126 Saha 71 Howard 66 Lescott 59 João Alves Jô 40 Rodwell 36 Gosling 29 Castillo 28 Yobo 24 Anichebe 21 Baadhi 17 Hibbert 17 Vaughan 11 Yakubu 10 Van der Meyde 10 Jacobsen 6 Baxter 4 Valente 2 MOTM winners.... Blackburn (H)...Mikel Arteta West Brom (A)...Leon Osman Portsmouth (H)...Leighton Baines Stoke City (A)...Tim Cahill Standard Liege (H)...Segundo Castillo Hull City (A)...Leon Osman Blackburn (A)...Louis Saha Liverpool (H)...Phil Jagielka Standard Liege (A)...Phil Jagielka Newcastle (H)...Leighton Baines Arsenal (A)...Marouane Fellaini Manchester United (H)...Marouane Fellaini Bolton (A)...Marouane Fellaini Fulham (H)...Phil Jagielka West Ham (A)...Louis Saha Middlesbrough (H)...Phil Neville Wigan (A)...Tim Howard Spurs (A)...Phil Jagielka Aston Villa (H)...Joleon Lescott Man City (A)...Tim Cahill Chelsea (H)...Leon Osman Middlesbrough (A)...Mikel Arteta Sunderland (H)...Mikel Arteta Macclesfield (A)...Leighton Baines Hull (A)...Mikel Arteta Liverpool (A-league)...Leighton Baines Liverpool (A-Cup)...Phil Jagielka Arsenal (H)...Tim Cahill Manchester United (A)...Tim Howard Liverpool (H-Cup replay)...Phil Jagielka Bolton (H)...João Alves Jô Aston Villa (H)...Mikel Arteta Newcastle (A)...Jack Rodwell West Brom (H)...Steven Pienaar Blackburn (A)...Phil Neville Middlesbrough (H)...Marouane Fellaini Stoke City (H)...Marouane Fellaini Portsmouth (A)...Leighton Baines Wigan (H)...Marouane Fellaini Aston Villa (A)...Steven Pienaar Manchester United (Wembley)...Phil Neville Chelsea (A)...Leighton Baines Manchester City (H)...Marouane Fellaini Sunderland (A)...Steven Pienaar Spurs (H)...Steven Pienaar & Joseph Yobo (Tied) West Ham (H)...Steven Pienaar Fulham (A)...Leon Osman Chelsea (Wembley)...Marouane Fellaini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) If jags hadn't gotten injured this would have been his , no contest .. but durability counts. Congrats to Pienaar, is late season playing got him there. (He should mention Baines in his acceptance speech tho, he made Pienaar a lot better). Edited June 9, 2009 by holystove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexKing Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Yeah, when Jags went out, there were almost every game one tiny South African to shine, with help of Leigton and Mo. Good season Peanuts, carry on that next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue 250 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Great performance from Jagielka and Pienaar, and I agree Baines did work well with Pienaar.On that note Baines deserves a lot of credit for his own performances, many myself included weren't too sure about Bainsey, but hey! bloody good season mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holystove Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 (edited) Just noticed that Lescott didn't even crack the top 10 .. ouch. (sell! sell! sell! ) Can't say I disagree with the overall standings much though.. But I'm quite confident they'll look differently next year. My prediction for next years top 3: Moutinho (if we get him) Fellaini Arteta . Edited June 9, 2009 by holystove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I am Glad Pienaar got player of the season as he has worked hard for the side and has stepped up when Arteta got injured, I am sorry for Jags as it looked in the bag for him until he got hurt, but he will come good again next season. I really am glad that Baines haas had a mention too. He shows again just how good Davey Moyes is at getting the best out of a player. I was not too sure of baines when he arrived, but he and Moyes have turned his career around. Possibly one of (if not the) best in the EPL now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest efctaxi Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Not bad for 4 motm's and a split vote . :rolleyes_anim: Well done Steven , and commiserations to Fellaini , who though having won motm 8 times , in the words of dear Anne ........... You go home with nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy the blue Posted June 10, 2009 Report Share Posted June 10, 2009 It may be your decision but to me the PoS will be Jags, he was street ahead when he got injured having played nearly every minute of every game. Peanuts only came into his own late on, early in the season he chased and chased with no end product, no matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adpom Posted June 11, 2009 Report Share Posted June 11, 2009 (edited) Jags should have won it, after all he only missed the last 4 games if that. An Pienaar failed ot shinei n the cup final as the rest of the team did. Not to mention Pienaar should have stood up an be counted when Arteta was fit. Sorry i think you got it compeltely wrong there. Over the whole season Jags was a far far better player. An lets not forget he made Torres in the multi Derbys look like a 2nd rate player. Yet the very same Torres who made Vidic(who was aparently the best defender in the league) look like a school boy. Edited June 11, 2009 by Adpom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMouse Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Its a bit of a joke really that he gets player of the season with only 4 MOTM's Shows up the poor voting system really more than anything..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 didnt get it wrong it was voted by everyone over the course of a season so pienaar got some votes when jags was still about. wasnt a one man decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Churinga2 Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Its a bit of a joke really that he gets player of the season with only 4 MOTM's Shows up the poor voting system really more than anything..... Well, what do you suggest? If Jagielka wasn't injured He would have been the obvious winner without doubt. So i think in the end this isn't such a bad system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMouse Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) Most MOTM's = winner simples Jags missed about 4 or five gmaes...... and played a blinder for the rest of it... Edited June 12, 2009 by DangerMouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest efctaxi Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Fellaini was also cup tied , and missed matches through suspension Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie blue Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 he won it by consistent performances over the season you cant punish him for other players being injured however my own player of the season was jags Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMouse Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 You could have had 300 people on the site on day after the cup final... all voting for tony hibbert..... ingnoring the fact he was shite.... he may have had a blinder and scored a hat trick.... so 300 votes for tony hibbert.... ooo hes player of the season with 300 votes..... I dont understand why people think its the best way of doing it.... most MOTM's = winner why does that now work? can someone explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie blue Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 You could have had 300 people on the site on day after the cup final... all voting for tony hibbert..... ingnoring the fact he was shite.... he may have had a blinder and scored a hat trick.... so 300 votes for tony hibbert.... ooo hes player of the season with 300 votes..... I dont understand why people think its the best way of doing it.... most MOTM's = winner why does that now work? can someone explain? i take your point but if a player was MOM for 4 games and shite for the rest, how can he be player of the season makes you realise it is difficult to have a perfect system of voting i would stick with what we have now it seems the fairest way to me unless someone has a better one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMouse Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) i take your point but if a player was MOM for 4 games and shite for the rest, how can he be player of the season makes you realise it is difficult to have a perfect system of voting i would stick with what we have now it seems the fairest way to me unless someone has a better one No........ that means if he had 4 good games and no one had more good games.....well... surely he was the best player of the season....I dont see how that doesnt make sense.... Jags has scooped every fan site award I can think off yet we have come up with Steven Pienaar as player of the season.... I think that itself shows the way we vote isnt any good just to add some weight to that.............. a massive 10 results tetured from google and most are along the lines of "Everton player of the season Jags thinks Pienaar is a good player" http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&r...enaar&meta= Edited June 12, 2009 by DangerMouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 We have tried several voting systems to try and appease the hordes, i think taken over the whole season they have all worked out about right. No matter how many times an individual as won the MOTM its the times when he didnt win it that are important. OK it was unlucky for Jags If he had'nt have got hurt he would have won it, or would he ?? Arteta was playing some good stuff before he got hurt and if he hadnt got injured he might have won it. Its all ifs and buts, If my auntie had Bollox she'd be my uncle. The top and bottom of it is that although he didnt win MOTM as often as some of the other players, Pienaar consistantly picked up points, and was in the shake up on a regular basis , so at the end of the day he totalled enough points to end up as the winner ........ Voters Choice. Bill. Now having said that i disagree on individual votes being totalled up every week, if a lot of peeps turn out to vote and the MOTM player has an outstanding game he might receive 50 - 60 votes, the next week may not have such a good turnout and the MOTM might only get 10 - 20 votes, already he has to win 3 times more to get the same amount of votes. We should score like they do in Formula one, whoever comes 1st in the voting gets 10 points and the 2nd highest gets 9 then 8 down to the last player with votes. So if you win the MOTM this week you get the same number of points as the MOTM got last week, its possibly a fairer system. Then you win MOTM more times than anybody else over the season, you stand a good chance of being top man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Most MOTM's = winner simples On that system Fellaini's player of the season . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMouse Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) well if thats what the results say.......... Id be happy with that...... We obviously don't know are football here on Toffeetalk I don't think anyone could argue if Jags would have won it..... we would all be happy I think its quite obvious that Jags was are "real" player of the season.. Id challenge anyone to argue against that.... Oh well all hail Screech Edited June 12, 2009 by DangerMouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 can we just start a poll to shut everyone up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 It makes a mockery of the whole thing The club have voted JAGS the player of the season along with the media and 95% our members, we all know what the outcome of the Poll will be. So how come the votes from nearly 50 games over a whole season shows something different ? You are the people that voted so now the only thing the poll will tell you is that you all voted wrong in the first place. Silly Peeps. I might add that i dont see anybody showing any gratitude to Mike for all the effort and time that he puts into this, you're more interested in telling him the system he uses is wrong, if anybody wants to give it a go and see if they can satisfy all of the natives .... step up. Theres an old saying that rings true .. You can please most of the people some of the time, you can please some of the people most of the time, but you cant please all of the people all of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 We should score like they do in Formula one, whoever comes 1st in the voting gets 10 points and the 2nd highest gets 9 then 8 down to the last player with votes. Think that's on the right lines, but ten players getting votes is too many imo. You often get a clear winner with then a number of other players getting 1,2 or 3 votes (eg West Brom last August, Osman 12, Arteta 3, Yakubu 2, Vaughan 2, Howard 1, Neville 1, Baxter 1, Yobo 1, Jags 1), difficult then to distribute properly. Maybe the top four getting 5, 3, 2, 1? But then that's getting close to the 3,2,1 that we ditched because it didn't seem to be working . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian C Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I think its all taken as a given that Mike did an amazing job I would personally like a player rating system, but I think that is probably impossible under our current technology? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMouse Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 I think he does a great job keeping it up an logging the results.... I think he went with the masses though didnt he and changed the voting system to fit what most wanted.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 "Osman 12, Arteta 3, Yakubu 2, Vaughan 2, Howard 1, Neville 1, Baxter 1, Yobo 1, Jags 1)", Mike, I'm thinking THAT scenario might even itself out over the season. Or maybe you could give the top five in the voting 10-8-6-4-2 everybody else gets 1 point for playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMouse Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 (edited) Can someone explain why we carnt just count MOTM's ie have you tried it before and it didnt work???? Edited June 12, 2009 by DangerMouse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted June 12, 2009 Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Can someone explain why we carnt just count MOTM's If it was'nt good enough for the Club its not good enough for Toffeetalk. Fellaini had most MOTMs, the Club and the Media gave it to Jags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted June 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2009 Can someone explain why we carnt just count MOTM's It's an option. I wouldn't go for it because, at its extreme, someone who came second or third in the voting every game over the season would come nowhere, when they'd probably deserve to win it. Like I said, that system this season would have given us Fellaini when very few think that'd be the right result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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