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Having come with a late run to beat long time leader Phil Jagielka the ToffeeTalk player of the season for 2008/9 is...

 

Steven Pienaar

 

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Final Player of the Year standings....

Pienaar 243

Jagielka 229

Fellaini 219

Baines 186

Arteta 164

Cahill 140

Neville 134

Osman 126

Saha 71

Howard 66

Lescott 59

João Alves Jô 40

Rodwell 36

Gosling 29

Castillo 28

Yobo 24

Anichebe 21

Baadhi 17

Hibbert 17

Vaughan 11

Yakubu 10

Van der Meyde 10

Jacobsen 6

Baxter 4

Valente 2

 

MOTM winners....

 

Blackburn (H)...Mikel Arteta

West Brom (A)...Leon Osman

Portsmouth (H)...Leighton Baines

Stoke City (A)...Tim Cahill

Standard Liege (H)...Segundo Castillo

Hull City (A)...Leon Osman

Blackburn (A)...Louis Saha

Liverpool (H)...Phil Jagielka

Standard Liege (A)...Phil Jagielka

Newcastle (H)...Leighton Baines

Arsenal (A)...Marouane Fellaini

Manchester United (H)...Marouane Fellaini

Bolton (A)...Marouane Fellaini

Fulham (H)...Phil Jagielka

West Ham (A)...Louis Saha

Middlesbrough (H)...Phil Neville

Wigan (A)...Tim Howard

Spurs (A)...Phil Jagielka

Aston Villa (H)...Joleon Lescott

Man City (A)...Tim Cahill

Chelsea (H)...Leon Osman

Middlesbrough (A)...Mikel Arteta

Sunderland (H)...Mikel Arteta

Macclesfield (A)...Leighton Baines

Hull (A)...Mikel Arteta

Liverpool (A-league)...Leighton Baines

Liverpool (A-Cup)...Phil Jagielka

Arsenal (H)...Tim Cahill

Manchester United (A)...Tim Howard

Liverpool (H-Cup replay)...Phil Jagielka

Bolton (H)...João Alves Jô

Aston Villa (H)...Mikel Arteta

Newcastle (A)...Jack Rodwell

West Brom (H)...Steven Pienaar

Blackburn (A)...Phil Neville

Middlesbrough (H)...Marouane Fellaini

Stoke City (H)...Marouane Fellaini

Portsmouth (A)...Leighton Baines

Wigan (H)...Marouane Fellaini

Aston Villa (A)...Steven Pienaar

Manchester United (Wembley)...Phil Neville

Chelsea (A)...Leighton Baines

Manchester City (H)...Marouane Fellaini

Sunderland (A)...Steven Pienaar

Spurs (H)...Steven Pienaar & Joseph Yobo (Tied)

West Ham (H)...Steven Pienaar

Fulham (A)...Leon Osman

Chelsea (Wembley)...Marouane Fellaini

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If jags hadn't gotten injured this would have been his , no contest ..

 

but durability counts.

 

Congrats to Pienaar, is late season playing got him there. (He should mention Baines in his acceptance speech tho, he made Pienaar a lot better).

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Yeah, when Jags went out, there were almost every game one tiny South African to shine, with help of Leigton and Mo. Good season Peanuts, carry on that next season.

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Great performance from Jagielka and Pienaar, and I agree Baines did work well with Pienaar.On that note Baines deserves a lot of credit for his own performances, many myself included weren't too sure about Bainsey, but hey! bloody good season mate.

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Just noticed that Lescott didn't even crack the top 10 .. ouch. (sell! sell! sell! :D)

 

Can't say I disagree with the overall standings much though.. But I'm quite confident they'll look differently next year.

 

 

 

 

My prediction for next years top 3:

 

Moutinho (if we get him)

Fellaini

Arteta

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I am Glad Pienaar got player of the season as he has worked hard for the side and has stepped up when Arteta got injured, I am sorry for Jags as it looked in the bag for him until he got hurt, but he will come good again next season.

 

I really am glad that Baines haas had a mention too. He shows again just how good Davey Moyes is at getting the best out of a player. I was not too sure of baines when he arrived, but he and Moyes have turned his career around. Possibly one of (if not the) best in the EPL now.

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Not bad for 4 motm's and a split vote . :rolleyes_anim:

 

Well done Steven , and commiserations to Fellaini , who though having won motm 8 times , in the words of dear Anne ...........

 

You go home with nothing :lol:

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It may be your decision but to me the PoS will be Jags, he was street ahead when he got injured having played nearly every minute of every game. Peanuts only came into his own late on, early in the season he chased and chased with no end product, no matter :)

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Jags should have won it, after all he only missed the last 4 games if that. An Pienaar failed ot shinei n the cup final as the rest of the team did. Not to mention Pienaar should have stood up an be counted when Arteta was fit.

Sorry i think you got it compeltely wrong there.

Over the whole season Jags was a far far better player. An lets not forget he made Torres in the multi Derbys look like a 2nd rate player. Yet the very same Torres who made Vidic(who was aparently the best defender in the league) look like a school boy.

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Its a bit of a joke really that he gets player of the season with only 4 MOTM's

 

Shows up the poor voting system really more than anything.....

 

Well, what do you suggest?

If Jagielka wasn't injured He would have been the obvious winner without doubt. So i think in the end this isn't such a bad system.

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Fellaini was also cup tied , and missed matches through suspension :)

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You could have had 300 people on the site on day after the cup final... all voting for tony hibbert..... ingnoring the fact he was shite.... he may have had a blinder and scored a hat trick....

 

so 300 votes for tony hibbert.... ooo hes player of the season with 300 votes.....

 

I dont understand why people think its the best way of doing it.... most MOTM's = winner

 

why does that now work? can someone explain?

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You could have had 300 people on the site on day after the cup final... all voting for tony hibbert..... ingnoring the fact he was shite.... he may have had a blinder and scored a hat trick....

 

so 300 votes for tony hibbert.... ooo hes player of the season with 300 votes.....

 

I dont understand why people think its the best way of doing it.... most MOTM's = winner

 

why does that now work? can someone explain?

i take your point but if a player was MOM for 4 games and shite for the rest, how can he be player of the season makes you realise it is difficult to have a perfect system of voting i would stick with what we have now it seems the fairest way to me unless someone has a better one

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i take your point but if a player was MOM for 4 games and shite for the rest, how can he be player of the season makes you realise it is difficult to have a perfect system of voting i would stick with what we have now it seems the fairest way to me unless someone has a better one

 

No........ that means if he had 4 good games and no one had more good games.....well... surely he was the best player of the season....I dont see how that doesnt make sense....

 

 

Jags has scooped every fan site award I can think off yet we have come up with Steven Pienaar as player of the season....

 

I think that itself shows the way we vote isnt any good

 

just to add some weight to that.............. a massive 10 results tetured from google and most are along the lines of "Everton player of the season Jags thinks Pienaar is a good player"

 

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&r...enaar&meta=

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We have tried several voting systems to try and appease the hordes, i think taken over the whole season they have all worked out about right.

 

No matter how many times an individual as won the MOTM its the times when he didnt win it that are important. OK it was unlucky for Jags If he had'nt have got hurt he would have won it, or would he ?? Arteta was playing some good stuff before he got hurt and if he hadnt got injured he might have won it. Its all ifs and buts, If my auntie had Bollox she'd be my uncle.

 

The top and bottom of it is that although he didnt win MOTM as often as some of the other players, Pienaar consistantly picked up points, and was in the shake up on a regular basis , so at the end of the day he totalled enough points to end up as the winner ........ Voters Choice.

 

Bill.

 

Now having said that i disagree on individual votes being totalled up every week, if a lot of peeps turn out to vote and the MOTM player has an outstanding game he might receive 50 - 60 votes, the next week may not have such a good turnout and the MOTM might only get 10 - 20 votes, already he has to win 3 times more to get the same amount of votes.

We should score like they do in Formula one, whoever comes 1st in the voting gets 10 points and the 2nd highest gets 9 then 8 down to the last player with votes.

So if you win the MOTM this week you get the same number of points as the MOTM got last week, its possibly a fairer system.

Then you win MOTM more times than anybody else over the season, you stand a good chance of being top man.

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well if thats what the results say.......... Id be happy with that......

 

We obviously don't know are football here on Toffeetalk :o:o

 

I don't think anyone could argue if Jags would have won it..... we would all be happy

I think its quite obvious that Jags was are "real" player of the season.. Id challenge anyone to argue against that....

 

Oh well all hail Screech

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It makes a mockery of the whole thing The club have voted JAGS the player of the season along with the media and 95% our members, we all know what the outcome of the Poll will be. So how come the votes from nearly 50 games over a whole season shows something different ?

You are the people that voted so now the only thing the poll will tell you is that you all voted wrong in the first place. :lol::lol: Silly Peeps.

 

 

I might add that i dont see anybody showing any gratitude to Mike for all the effort and time that he puts into this, you're more interested in telling him the system he uses is wrong, if anybody wants to give it a go and see if they can satisfy all of the natives .... step up.

Theres an old saying that rings true .. You can please most of the people some of the time, you can please some of the people most of the time, but you cant please all of the people all of the time.

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We should score like they do in Formula one, whoever comes 1st in the voting gets 10 points and the 2nd highest gets 9 then 8 down to the last player with votes.

Think that's on the right lines, but ten players getting votes is too many imo.

You often get a clear winner with then a number of other players getting 1,2 or 3 votes (eg West Brom last August, Osman 12, Arteta 3, Yakubu 2, Vaughan 2, Howard 1, Neville 1, Baxter 1, Yobo 1, Jags 1), difficult then to distribute properly.

Maybe the top four getting 5, 3, 2, 1? But then that's getting close to the 3,2,1 that we ditched because it didn't seem to be working :huh: .

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I think its all taken as a given that Mike did an amazing job B)

 

I would personally like a player rating system, but I think that is probably impossible under our current technology?

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"Osman 12, Arteta 3, Yakubu 2, Vaughan 2, Howard 1, Neville 1, Baxter 1, Yobo 1, Jags 1)",

 

Mike,

I'm thinking THAT scenario might even itself out over the season. Or maybe you could give the top five in the voting 10-8-6-4-2 everybody else gets 1 point for playing.

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Can someone explain why we carnt just count MOTM's

 

If it was'nt good enough for the Club its not good enough for Toffeetalk. ;) Fellaini had most MOTMs, the Club and the Media gave it to Jags.

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Can someone explain why we carnt just count MOTM's

It's an option.

 

I wouldn't go for it because, at its extreme, someone who came second or third in the voting every game over the season would come nowhere, when they'd probably deserve to win it.

Like I said, that system this season would have given us Fellaini when very few think that'd be the right result.

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How do yo know who the "official"" MOTM was? Do Everton post that on their official site?

If not.... how do you know they dont do that.....

 

Im sure the official Player of the season award is voted for anyway..... at the end of te season...

 

Screech was Toffeetalks MOTM winner... It desnt meen he was theirs....or anybody elses...

 

Maybe we could have two? MOTM Player of the Season & Player of the season as voted by Toffeetalk members

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Just struck me that, although we're saying Pienaar only won it because Jags got injured and missed the last five games, Pienaar missed the start of the season through injury.

Checking the stats Jags actually played 42 games over the season (plus one as sub) against Pienaar's 33 (+2).

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What about Player of the month instead of man of the match?

i think that will rule out the fact that one game 200 people cast a vote and another game only 50.

 

Just struck me that, although we're saying Pienaar only won it because Jags got injured and missed the last five games, Pienaar missed the start of the season through injury.

Checking the stats Jags actually played 42 games over the season (plus one as sub) against Pienaar's 33 (+2).

 

That's because of the fact that pienaar, if he won, he won by a margin of 20 votes or so and alot more people seemed to be voting on that games (at least that's how I remember it)

 

We could give one vote at the end of the season, but that's no fun is it?

The perfect system doesn't exsist unfortunatly.

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There's numerous options, we could select a Sunday Paper and go with their Player Ratings every week, but as i have already stated there will be some who will not be happy no matter what system is in place, and its all because they think their favourite player should have won. :P

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If it was'nt good enough for the Club its not good enough for Toffeetalk. ;) Fellaini had most MOTMs, the Club and the Media gave it to Jags.

 

Shouldn't that be the other way round ?

I personally couldn't give 2 hoots what the club think if I'm honest . It's what the fans think that counts most :)

 

 

Jags played great most of the season , but was pretty dire in a few matches too if we're fair , including the game where he got injured .

The spotlight moved from Arteta , to Baines , to Jags , and eventually to Pienaar with Mo interupting the flow somewhat .

 

No way was Pienaar our best player of the season .

That was easily a 3 way tussle between Baines , Jags , and Fellaini , but when Jags and Pienaar got motm , they scored lots of votes if I remember correctly , and when the other 2 got them , the votes were spread a little more .

The fact that Fellaini got the motm 8 times , and didn't play in the derbies , or Uefa says a lot about the guy , and also gave an indication that the fans ( when polled ) disagreed with the club , though he did win the Young Player award .

Again only my opinion . :)

 

As for the voting , everyone applauds Mike for his efforts , as it is indeed the system that is open for debate , not him ( well .... mostly the system ) . :lol:

 

Maybe total votes could be used as a goal difference somehow :P

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I think the formula one system (10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1) looks like the best way to go. I wonder who would have won with that?

But with this kind of awards, there will always be people who disagree based on their personal preferences.

But hell... I can live with the result, although Jags maybe should've won it...

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What is so wrong with Pienaar winning? If anything, I think some of your behavior shows how underrated he is by the fans.

 

Week in and week out he was the only midfielder capable of putting in a good cross. Unlike some of our other midgets, he always would track back to make a crucial tackle. He was obviously slowed by injuries at times, but he never once complained.

 

I for one feel that Pienaar deserves this award -- as we all obviously thought his contributions week in and week out were superb and a large part of our success.

 

Here is to you Peanuts - this is one Toffee who recognizes how important you were to the team.

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Actually I think the majority of our problems with Pienaar, or at least mine, was his INability to put in a decent final ball :P

 

Agreed .

Towards the end of the season , he started to improve the end product some what .

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it wasn't till Baines got in the team that he started to improve.

 

How else could he improve lol ? Reading Left Back Improvement manuals ? :lol:

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