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Starting to feel a little worried about this now. I feel the personal terms are going to fall through. I really wan him here, just because I love Ajax as well and always love it when we are linked with Ajax youth.

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i have a horrible feeling that the is going to reject us with 6 hours to go and we dont get a replacement. same with Ever, this is just all a little too worrying.

 

but, if we do get him and Banega... OH WOW! we will have some serious skills in the team and Moyes will have a headache trying to pick his starting 11! the joy! :thumbsup_anim:

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http://www.voetbalcentraal.nl/nieuws/35849/john-heitinga-wil-niet-weg-bij-atletico-madrid

 

Several dutch sites report that heitinga doens't want to leave Atletico for Everton.

He is quoted in the article:

I was in the starting eleven against malaga, So i don't think the boss wants me to leave. i don't want to leave.

 

I also found this article. hopefully Pienaar can convince him.

 

http://thesoccerpages.com/site/?q=Pienaar+hopeful+of+reunion+with+Heitinga+1423

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this could be a major blow, considering the lack of time to get in a replacement. Was really excited about this one too, could have been a really good transfer window.

 

Still...fingers crossed that it will happen :fez:

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http://209.85.229.132/translate_c?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.nos.nl/nosstudiosport/artikelen/2009/8/31/31081655atlticoakkoordmetbodheitinga.html&prev=hp&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhgKd0ZJPYBVzvaGhU_lZWizm9GjcA

 

He doesn't want to leave, could end up quite embarrassing. You would think Everton would do their homework (tap up if you will), to see if the guy actually wants to come.

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http://209.85.229.132/translate_c?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http://www.nos.nl/nosstudiosport/artikelen/2009/8/31/31081655atlticoakkoordmetbodheitinga.html&prev=hp&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhgKd0ZJPYBVzvaGhU_lZWizm9GjcA

 

He doesn't want to leave, could end up quite embarrassing. You would think Everton would do their homework (tap up if you will), to see if the guy actually wants to come.

 

You never know... could be the player's agent trying to talk a better wage deal...

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I've been aeway for a week but it's good to see that nothing changes with the Everton transfer saga.

 

When I went away we had got the permit for Banega but now say we no longer want him as he's cup tied in Europe... hmmm, cup tied or did the club not think they'd get the permit and sh1t themself when they did so made an alternative reason up???

 

Also, we seem to have spent the last 4 days or so of the window agreeing a feee with a club for a player that does not want to leave... would this not be the first question you ask a player/ agent even before bothering to negotiate a fee with the club? Ask to speak to a player yes, spend time agreeing a fee with the club and not bother to see if the player wants to leave?!?!?!?

 

Add to that we are offering less money and a higher tax system why the fork would he want to leave???

 

Same old Blues, stumbling their way through the window failing to sign any of the "big" targets and overspending (in my opinion) on the players they have brought in.

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I've been aeway for a week but it's good to see that nothing changes with the Everton transfer saga.

 

When I went away we had got the permit for Banega but now say we no longer want him as he's cup tied in Europe... hmmm, cup tied or did the club not think they'd get the permit and sh1t themself when they did so made an alternative reason up???

 

Also, we seem to have spent the last 4 days or so of the window agreeing a feee with a club for a player that does not want to leave... would this not be the first question you ask a player/ agent even before bothering to negotiate a fee with the club? Ask to speak to a player yes, spend time agreeing a fee with the club and not bother to see if the player wants to leave?!?!?!?

 

Add to that we are offering less money and a higher tax system why the fork would he want to leave???

 

Same old Blues, stumbling their way through the window failing to sign any of the "big" targets and overspending (in my opinion) on the players they have brought in.

 

Who says we have failed with any of the big targets? Big targets based on whose say so? Tabloid newspapers that have a job to do and link about 40 players every summer with every Prem side? Who says 'Billy' wasn't a top target? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, I'm just saying that we are all working from pure conjecture. We can't have it all ways. Next June we can ask Moyes to publicly issue his list of targets and then wait for the price to double on them all? Just a bit of devil's advocate..

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Who says we have failed with any of the big targets? Big targets based on whose say so? Tabloid newspapers that have a job to do and link about 40 players every summer with every Prem side? Who says 'Billy' wasn't a top target? I'm not necessarily disagreeing, I'm just saying that we are all working from pure conjecture. We can't have it all ways. Next June we can ask Moyes to publicly issue his list of targets and then wait for the price to double on them all? Just a bit of devil's advocate..

 

Or Kenwrights PR guy?

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Or Kenwrights PR guy?

 

 

LOL - fair comment Captain Ferguson. I assure you I am nothing to do with the club (I wish!). Project Manager in Suffolk if that helps distance me sufficiently. However, fully acknowledge that I am a strong defender of the club in general and mostly take the positive side of things. Respect the varying views on here, mine just happen to be at one end of the spectrum.

Do I think Kenwright has done a good job for our club? All things considered, I do. Hopefully I have clarified where I stand - don't really feel I ought to, but nor do I think it fair that people start speculating that I'm a club representative just because my comments are considered as overly positive.

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LOL - fair comment Captain Ferguson. I assure you I am nothing to do with the club (I wish!). Project Manager in Suffolk if that helps distance me sufficiently. However, fully acknowledge that I am a strong defender of the club in general and mostly take the positive side of things. Respect the varying views on here, mine just happen to be at one end of the spectrum.

Do I think Kenwright has done a good job for our club? All things considered, I do. Hopefully I have clarified where I stand - don't really feel I ought to, but nor do I think it fair that people start speculating that I'm a club representative just because my comments are considered as overly positive.

 

Too right you don't have to justify yourself to people on here.

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Well, we failed to sign Naughton, look to be failing to bring in Banega, the Heitinga deal looks to be going the wrong way... so the 3 bids we know of all seems to have gone t1ts up.

 

Add to that the very fact that we have not been making bids for more players and I find that in itself very worrying.

 

Not looking to argue, just reassuring to know that even after a week away from toffeetalk and transfer speculation we are no further on. Moyes talks of "doing it different this year" but never does. Whether that is linked to finances or otherwise it's still a load of nonsense. In fact, if the only money we had was the Lescott money, and Moyes didn't want to sell that meant we had no transfer kitty at all so how did we bid for Naughton and why did Moyes come out and say he'd make signings early on if we had no money? I just cannot understand the club at all. Don't understand why Moyes signed a new contract if we wasn't given assurances over having a decent amount to spend as all he did last summer was complain about having no cash.

 

Anyway, back to topic, if we don't open the wallet and offer this fella more money than he is currently on as a minimim then we won't get him and will have wasted 4 days on a player for nothing. Window slams shut and we are one unproven (in the Prem) Russian player who has just finished a full Russian season to the good and 4 squad players lighter... for me that is a step backwards whilst those around us have move forwards quite a lot in some regards

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Well, we failed to sign Naughton, look to be failing to bring in Banega, the Heitinga deal looks to be going the wrong way... so the 3 bids we know of all seems to have gone t1ts up.

 

Add to that the very fact that we have not been making bids for more players and I find that in itself very worrying.

 

Not looking to argue, just reassuring to know that even after a week away from toffeetalk and transfer speculation we are no further on. Moyes talks of "doing it different this year" but never does. Whether that is linked to finances or otherwise it's still a load of nonsense. In fact, if the only money we had was the Lescott money, and Moyes didn't want to sell that meant we had no transfer kitty at all so how did we bid for Naughton and why did Moyes come out and say he'd make signings early on if we had no money? I just cannot understand the club at all. Don't understand why Moyes signed a new contract if we wasn't given assurances over having a decent amount to spend as all he did last summer was complain about having no cash.

 

Anyway, back to topic, if we don't open the wallet and offer this fella more money than he is currently on as a minimim then we won't get him and will have wasted 4 days on a player for nothing. Window slams shut and we are one unproven (in the Prem) Russian player who has just finished a full Russian season to the good and 4 squad players lighter... for me that is a step backwards whilst those around us have move forwards quite a lot in some regards

 

We can't offer him more money than he's on. We have a wage cap, believed to be £50k/w. If we offer him wages over, then players like Yakubu, Arteta, Cahill etc. will all want raises.

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LOL - fair comment Captain Ferguson. I assure you I am nothing to do with the club (I wish!). Project Manager in Suffolk if that helps distance me sufficiently. However, fully acknowledge that I am a strong defender of the club in general and mostly take the positive side of things. Respect the varying views on here, mine just happen to be at one end of the spectrum.

Do I think Kenwright has done a good job for our club? All things considered, I do. Hopefully I have clarified where I stand - don't really feel I ought to, but nor do I think it fair that people start speculating that I'm a club representative just because my comments are considered as overly positive.

 

Lol, fair dues lad. At least you took it in good spirit, with your respectful yet insightful reply. Unlike some knits hovering over the cow pat, waiting to strike lol.

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Being Belgian, I visit some Dutch football sites (we speak the same language and there's a great lack of good Belgian football sites) so I think I can say that I know quite a lot of Dutch football and I think he could be a real quality signing. He's got good fighting spirit and he's quite versatile. As has been said before, he can play centre back, right back and even defensive midfield. Don't be fooled by the fact that Atletico wants to let him go for less then they bought him just a year ago. He scores quite a lot for a defender, has a good cross pass, plays with a lot of devotion... He's the kind of player that becomes a fan's favourite in just a few weeks I reckon.

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A wage structure which is based in the dark ages by current standards and the reason why we are unable to sign any big name players whatsoever.

 

Oh yes the dark old days where clubs paid players wages based on their ability to sustain said payments.

 

Those were dark days indeed. :lol:

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I've been aeway for a week but it's good to see that nothing changes with the Everton transfer saga.

 

When I went away we had got the permit for Banega but now say we no longer want him as he's cup tied in Europe... hmmm, cup tied or did the club not think they'd get the permit and sh1t themself when they did so made an alternative reason up???

 

Also, we seem to have spent the last 4 days or so of the window agreeing a feee with a club for a player that does not want to leave... would this not be the first question you ask a player/ agent even before bothering to negotiate a fee with the club? Ask to speak to a player yes, spend time agreeing a fee with the club and not bother to see if the player wants to leave?!?!?!?

 

Add to that we are offering less money and a higher tax system why the fork would he want to leave???

 

Same old Blues, stumbling their way through the window failing to sign any of the "big" targets and overspending (in my opinion) on the players they have brought in.

 

 

Have I missed something when did we say we no longer wanted him?

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Friend just called me to say that they said on Radio City that he's signed :blink:

 

I'm working in Derby so can't get Radio City, anyone else heard this? Can't see anything anywhere else. Not sure if he's miss heard or if they are reporting this.

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Friend just called me to say that they said on Radio City that he's signed :blink:

 

I'm working in Derby so can't get Radio City, anyone else heard this? Can't see anything anywhere else. Not sure if he's miss heard or if they are reporting this.

 

 

I will go and pop the radio on, might as well Ive got SSN on and Im trwling the tinterweb every 5 mins anyway.

 

Dont you just love transfer deadline day!!

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always nice to hear :) we were linked with fanni at the begining of the transfer window wernt we?

 

 

Lol, I don't think any english team could get away with signing anyone named Rod Fanni :P

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I will go and pop the radio on, might as well Ive got SSN on and Im trwling the tinterweb every 5 mins anyway.

 

Dont you just love transfer deadline day!!

I can see SSN and nothing has been said there. If Radio City are reporting we've signed him I think that they may just be jmping the gun. They've got reports like this wrong in the past and would not be surprised if they have got it wrong again. Probably reporting it early and assuming we have signed him so they can claim an exclusive B)

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well im also lookin forward to seeing him play for us, personally i think he is a better player than lescott and more consistant, alot more experienced too which is what we need, im not sure if he was part of the ajax team pienaar was in , but if so then he will know him at the team, and i will be happy to finaly see someone come in who i am happy about

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well im also lookin forward to seeing him play for us, personally i think he is a better player than lescott and more consistant, alot more experienced too which is what we need, im not sure if he was part of the ajax team pienaar was in , but if so then he will know him at the team, and i will be happy to finaly see someone come in who i am happy about

 

 

 

They came through the ranks together and played alongside each other for 5 years. Peanuts has been singing his praises in tonights Echo

 

Not heard anything about it on Radio City by the way

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Moyes said he will be disappointed if he doesn't get 2 players! Cant say im too confident about getting johnny though :(

 

 

sky sports news is saying its half way completed, i can see this one happening

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is it really THAT bad for him to take a little wage cut? he's not been in the starting XI regularly for the past two years. I would hope Moyes can sit the lad down and say, "look buddy, you come here and play some footie for us for a little less than you get paid to warm the bench in madrid and we'll make you a better footballer than you could be anywhere else. look what i did for joleon lescott, bought him for 5 mil, and sold him for 24. doubled his wages in 3 years by giving him time to prove himself."

 

any footballer who doesn't think that regular time on the field is worth taking a pay cut if all you do is sit, well i don't want them here. I've heard for 50k/wk one can still live quite comfortably. :P

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is it really THAT bad for him to take a little wage cut? he's not been in the starting XI regularly for the past two years. I would hope Moyes can sit the lad down and say, "look buddy, you come here and play some footie for us for a little less than you get paid to warm the bench in madrid and we'll make you a better footballer than you could be anywhere else. look what i did for joleon lescott, bought him for 5 mil, and sold him for 24. doubled his wages in 3 years by giving him time to prove himself."

 

any footballer who doesn't think that regular time on the field is worth taking a pay cut if all you do is sit, well i don't want them here. I've heard for 50k/wk one can still live quite comfortably. :P

 

At the moment Heitinga is getting regular time in the Atletico team. He played the full 90 minutes in their opening fixture and played in almost every game last season

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Any deal for Heitinger, Banega or any other foreigner needs to be completed by Midnight due to International registration. We have until 5pm Tuesday to sign any one who currently plays in England. Hopefully this lad will be a blue.

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Any deal for Heitinger, Banega or any other foreigner needs to be completed by Midnight due to International registration. We have until 5pm Tuesday to sign any one who currently plays in England. Hopefully this lad will be a blue.

 

I carnt see that happening...... do you have a link or are you just an expert on international transfers......

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Any deal for Heitinger, Banega or any other foreigner needs to be completed by Midnight due to International registration. We have until 5pm Tuesday to sign any one who currently plays in England. Hopefully this lad will be a blue.

 

 

That cant be right because we didnt get Fellaini until the last mimute this time last year

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That cant be right because we didnt get Fellaini until the last mimute this time last year

 

 

I'm no expert on this but I'd say that if that is the case it is because this year the Bank Holiday fell on the last of the month while last year it fell the week before (I think!).

 

Because the bank holiday is only in Britain obviously we can't complete business while other countries can and would have to stick to their deadline no matter which country they want to deal with.

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I'm no expert on this but I'd say that if that is the case it is because this year the Bank Holiday fell on the last of the month while last year it fell the week before (I think!).

 

Because the bank holiday is only in Britain obviously we can't complete business while other countries can and would have to stick to their deadline no matter which country they want to deal with.

 

 

Thats obviously not the cas because we are still speaking to him!

 

Also Im sure SSN would have picked up on it by now if that was the case

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is it really THAT bad for him to take a little wage cut? look what i did for joleon lescott, bought him for 5 mil, and sold him for 24. doubled his wages in 3 years by giving him time to prove himself."

 

Think that's a very good point.

 

We don't want (like patto said) players who are purely looking to move for money (and with our structure we're unlikely to get them), and we don't want players who are going to use us as a stepping stone to better (higher paid) things.

But we need to be realistic; they all seem to be motivated by money.....and just maybe if we can get them through the door by pointing to J-Low's new pay packet they may just want to come.

Then...better players...break top four...massive investment...Champions League winners 2014 :D . Simple B) .

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If he is ok £80k a week then he is looking at halving his wage coming to us, I doubt any player would accept that. Plus doesn't Spain have better tax relief than the UK? So no wonder personal terms are an issue (if quoted current wage is true).

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Rumours are that he is currently on £80k a week...

 

How much did we offer AVM? And which ones of our players are currently being paid more than that?

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