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Now before the apologists and blind loyal fans say this is a rant, here are some facts for you to chew on.

 

After the cup final, Robert Elstone said buying players is the top priority and no stone shall be left unturned. Sir Philip Carter added he was 'excited' about Everton transfer vision for the summer.

 

Pre-season comes and Everton make a 9 million pound bid for Steven Defour, 5 million below his valuation. Everton admit the bid and say they are hopefully quality players will follow quickly.

 

The AGM arrives, Kenwright is asked about transfers (Naughton) and the selling of the club. Kenwright response talks are on going with Sheffield Scummy United and he is bored about questions regarding the sale of the club. Bearing in mind Elstone statement after the cup final, damningly Moyes says there is not much for transfers and he expects 'squad players' to come in not first teamers. Shortly afterward, Everton lose out to Tottenham with Naughton although Everton bid 8 million bid to sign him and Walker.

 

Weeks later Everton reject a bid for Lescott and Saha, whilst still not bidding/spending money on anyone despite bidding 9 and 8 million on players in previous weeks???

 

Last week Lescott is sold for 22 million, Moyes angrily snaps at Citeh for 'not offering the money earlier'. Banera work permit is granted, but Valencia and player say a loan transfer is news to them!

 

Today Everton end deadline day only spending 20 million, 10 million real money and the rest on drip payments. Banera doesn't arrive, Krancjar said he rejects Everton (Tottenham beat Everton to another player), and even more damningly after Kenwright said outside Goodison park at 4:30pm, half an hour before the deadline that he is still looking for players to come in, he has made profit this summer after the Lescott fee and the Sky revenue.

 

This man is a liar, a cancer, a guy who's best interests doesn't lie with Everton progressing, rather his own pockets mean more. As fans we have been lied to over and over again, yet some still support this man. Some fans have hailed this window as a success, success? Granted the three players and Jo are better than those who departed, but Kenwright has spend ZERO if his own money and Everton are further behind the likes of Citeh and Tottenham.

 

It's up to you individuals, but I'm neither impressed or excited. I will vote with my pocket and boycott the home games and shirt sales, because ultimately if Kenwright will lie and not want to spend his money then neither will I invest in his lies!

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You should think about his situation, it is not that easy to own a club like this. You have to think about the stress he is getting, he is like every other Everton fan but he is the owner and has more stress because he controls part of his favorite club and wants to make us better and the fans happy

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Now before the apologists and blind loyal fans say this is a rant, here are some facts for you to chew on.

 

After the cup final, Robert Elstone said buying players is the top priority and no stone shall be left unturned. Sir Philip Carter added he was 'excited' about Everton transfer vision for the summer.

 

Pre-season comes and Everton make a 9 million pound bid for Steven Defour, 5 million below his valuation. Everton admit the bid and say they are hopefully quality players will follow quickly.

 

The AGM arrives, Kenwright is asked about transfers (Naughton) and the selling of the club. Kenwright response talks are on going with Sheffield Scummy United and he is bored about questions regarding the sale of the club. Bearing in mind Elstone statement after the cup final, damningly Moyes says there is not much for transfers and he expects 'squad players' to come in not first teamers. Shortly afterward, Everton lose out to Tottenham with Naughton although Everton bid 8 million bid to sign him and Walker.

 

Weeks later Everton reject a bid for Lescott and Saha, whilst still not bidding/spending money on anyone despite bidding 9 and 8 million on players in previous weeks???

 

Last week Lescott is sold for 22 million, Moyes angrily snaps at Citeh for 'not offering the money earlier'. Banera work permit is granted, but Valencia and player say a loan transfer is news to them!

 

Today Everton end deadline day only spending 20 million, 10 million real money and the rest on drip payments. Banera doesn't arrive, Krancjar said he rejects Everton (Tottenham beat Everton to another player), and even more damningly after Kenwright said outside Goodison park at 4:30pm, half an hour before the deadline that he is still looking for players to come in, he has made profit this summer after the Lescott fee and the Sky revenue.

 

This man is a liar, a cancer, a guy who's best interests doesn't lie with Everton progressing, rather his own pockets mean more. As fans we have been lied to over and over again, yet some still support this man. Some fans have hailed this window as a success, success? Granted the three players and Jo are better than those who departed, but Kenwright has spend ZERO if his own money and Everton are further behind the likes of Citeh and Tottenham.

 

It's up to you individuals, but I'm neither impressed or excited. I will vote with my pocket and boycott the home games and shirt sales, because ultimately if Kenwright will lie and not want to spend his money then neither will I invest in his lies!

 

Valencia in the end kept Banega because they played him again, so he(BK) an Everton didn't lie about the Banera deal.

 

Personally i would have liked another player in, but what we have got is 4 1st choice players in, An lost 3 squad players, that don't make 10 games between them an 1 first choice defender. Now to me Selling Lescott an buying Billy, Distan an Herts is alot better then keeping Lescott.

 

Do you have proof he made profit?

 

Also they did try to get more players in but failed, however you can still get loan deals in for a couple more days, so maybe we might get 1 more.

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Wow, thats alot of anger to digest in 1 post.

 

Let me begin by saying that I to wish we could spend £20 or £30 million every year on players, but the simple truth is we dont have that sort of money. Blue Bill doen have the money, he knows this, we know this everyone knows this. Why the supprise at a well known fact?

 

A more interesting question is why are teams like shity and villa more attractive to investors than us? Two schools of thought on this one:

 

1) New stadium, a new stadium would cost a vast amount to build, but more importantly planning permission. New owners would be put off buying a club and only being able to re-develop GP piecemeal. If you get planning permission for a new house the price of the land goes up, or an extension for a house puts the price up. With no new site and limited space around GP to develop would be a big turn off for investers.

 

2) Blue Bill doesnt realy want to sell,

 

We will see as the planning issue will be sorted one way or another very soon. If we get a yes and bidders are refused then we will know!

 

Blue Bill is by no means perfect but he is not a "cancer" (which by the way is a horrable insult to anyone who has had to watch someone dying from the horrific desiese). He is not "Agent Johnson" selling players behined managers backs. He is what he is (just as Shakespeare said) a rich man a committed Blue nose, just not rich enough in todays mega rich days of averis.

 

By the way the club accounts are there for all to see if you are interested.

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Banera doesn't arrive

 

Krancjar said he rejects Everton

 

he has made profit this summer after the Lescott fee and the Sky revenue.

 

Kenwright has spend ZERO if his own money

 

It's up to you individuals, but I'm neither impressed or excited. I will vote with my pocket and boycott the home games and shirt sales, because ultimately if Kenwright will lie and not want to spend his money then neither will I invest in his lies!

 

i normally agree with people who dont like BK, as i am no fan of the guy. i was very pissed off, as was most of the room, when BK said he was bored of the question about how much he wants for the club. but you come across very deluded in that post, specifically the points ive left above.

 

If you were Valencia, and you had a player playing how Banega did the other night, you would not loan him out.

Krancjar played some of his best football under Redknapp, cant blame him for going back to him.

We have brought in the Lescott money, spent £5m+ on Distin, £9m+ on Billy and £6m+ on Heitinga. so approx £15m, we will have given Wolves around £3m, so call that £18m, so we may have a few million left over from that. Cant bring the Sky revenue into the transfer dealings as we need that to stay afloat. you will see next year, everton did not make a profit, as we havent for a good while now.

also, its a bit harsh saying he doesnt put his own money in, he doesnt have it to put in.

and if you do choose to vote with your pocket, without the backing of the masses you wont change a thing, and that you do not have.

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We have brought in the Lescott money, spent £5m+ on Distin, £9m+ on Billy and £6m+ on Heitinga. so approx £15m, we will have given Wolves around £3m, so call that £18m, so we may have a few million left over from that.

 

Actually that is ~20mil spent. 9+6+5=20 plus the ~3mil for wolves, leaves only 1mil going back into the club. I don't know why people are so pissed at BK. yeah, he says some things he probably shouldn't, but come on...don't tell me you've never put your foot in your own mouth. He's done a ton for this club in his time as chairman. My only complaint is that comment he made about being tired of the investment question. Would have been nice to have a straight forward answer.

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I am happy with the transfer window, because I believe we got people in all the positions that needing strengthening. If you think about the team now (when all the injuries are back) we are very strong all over the park, and everyone has competition to keep their place. Without thinking about money we should have available, who do you think we really needed to bring in? Anyone we could have realistically bought in yesterday would have just been cover. Benega would have been nice, but we don't really need him, just would have meant that rodwell would have seen less game time.

 

We have also improved much more than our rivals, barring city, which clubs have done better than us this window? Arsenal, united and liverpool are all markedly weaker losing some of their best players. Villa lost their captain and most influential player and replaced him with downing :lol: . Tottenham certainly didn't bring in anyone special and losing modric for an extended period has weakened them further.

 

 

I don't get hung up on terms like 'net spend' becuase things happen behind closed doors thay we have no idea about, and postulating about them just makes you look stupid. At the end of the day the only thing we can truely judge the team on is on field performance and till that starts falling away I am happy with how the clubs being run.

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Valencia in the end kept Banega because they played him again, so he(BK) an Everton didn't lie about the Banera deal.

 

Personally i would have liked another player in, but what we have got is 4 1st choice players in, An lost 3 squad players, that don't make 10 games between them an 1 first choice defender. Now to me Selling Lescott an buying Billy, Distan an Herts is alot better then keeping Lescott.

 

Do you have proof he made profit?

 

Also they did try to get more players in but failed, however you can still get loan deals in for a couple more days, so maybe we might get 1 more.

 

 

No you cant the window closed at 5pm yesterday that ruling only applies to sides outside of the Prem. The only signings we can make outside of the window are free transfers for players out of contract

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I am happy with the transfer window, because I believe we got people in all the positions that needing strengthening. If you think about the team now (when all the injuries are back) we are very strong all over the park, and everyone has competition to keep their place. Without thinking about money we should have available, who do you think we really needed to bring in? Anyone we could have realistically bought in yesterday would have just been cover. Benega would have been nice, but we don't really need him, just would have meant that rodwell would have seen less game time.

 

We have also improved much more than our rivals, barring city, which clubs have done better than us this window? Arsenal, united and liverpool are all markedly weaker losing some of their best players. Villa lost their captain and most influential player and replaced him with downing :lol: . Tottenham certainly didn't bring in anyone special and losing modric for an extended period has weakened them further.

 

 

I don't get hung up on terms like 'net spend' becuase things happen behind closed doors thay we have no idea about, and postulating about them just makes you look stupid. At the end of the day the only thing we can truely judge the team on is on field performance and till that starts falling away I am happy with how the clubs being run.

 

 

 

 

Dont really agree that Arsenal & The Shite are markedly weaker. Arsenal lost Toure and replaced him with a better CB and lost Adebayor who was doing nothing for them anyway and have Eduardo back to replace him. The Shite lost Alonso but replaced him with Aqualani who is a top player and have also added Johnson. So I would say they are both stronger

 

Villa didnt just get Downing they also brought in Delph, Collins, Warnock and Beye so I would say they are stronger. Spurs brought in Crouch, Bassong, Krancjar and Naughton so I would say they are much stronger. Sunderland and Fulham are also considerably stronger

 

I think we have done well out of the whole Lescott saga and brought in some promising signigs but it is dissapointing that we havent brought in more players because we certainly need stengthening in terms of numbers.

 

The Banega situation is unfortunate but I cant see how that is Evertons fault except maybe they should have switched targets sooner. If we had gone for Krancjar before Modric was injured Im sure we would have got him

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Now before the apologists and blind loyal fans say this is a rant, here are some facts for you to chew on.

 

After the cup final, Robert Elstone said buying players is the top priority and no stone shall be left unturned. Sir Philip Carter added he was 'excited' about Everton transfer vision for the summer.

 

Pre-season comes and Everton make a 9 million pound bid for Steven Defour, 5 million below his valuation. Everton admit the bid and say they are hopefully quality players will follow quickly.

 

The AGM arrives, Kenwright is asked about transfers (Naughton) and the selling of the club. Kenwright response talks are on going with Sheffield Scummy United and he is bored about questions regarding the sale of the club. Bearing in mind Elstone statement after the cup final, damningly Moyes says there is not much for transfers and he expects 'squad players' to come in not first teamers. Shortly afterward, Everton lose out to Tottenham with Naughton although Everton bid 8 million bid to sign him and Walker.

 

Weeks later Everton reject a bid for Lescott and Saha, whilst still not bidding/spending money on anyone despite bidding 9 and 8 million on players in previous weeks???

 

Last week Lescott is sold for 22 million, Moyes angrily snaps at Citeh for 'not offering the money earlier'. Banera work permit is granted, but Valencia and player say a loan transfer is news to them!

 

Today Everton end deadline day only spending 20 million, 10 million real money and the rest on drip payments. Banera doesn't arrive, Krancjar said he rejects Everton (Tottenham beat Everton to another player), and even more damningly after Kenwright said outside Goodison park at 4:30pm, half an hour before the deadline that he is still looking for players to come in, he has made profit this summer after the Lescott fee and the Sky revenue.

 

This man is a liar, a cancer, a guy who's best interests doesn't lie with Everton progressing, rather his own pockets mean more. As fans we have been lied to over and over again, yet some still support this man. Some fans have hailed this window as a success, success? Granted the three players and Jo are better than those who departed, but Kenwright has spend ZERO if his own money and Everton are further behind the likes of Citeh and Tottenham.

 

It's up to you individuals, but I'm neither impressed or excited. I will vote with my pocket and boycott the home games and shirt sales, because ultimately if Kenwright will lie and not want to spend his money then neither will I invest in his lies!

 

 

Congratulations I think you have pretty conclusively managed to defeat your long-winded argument in just 12 words... The fact is, before the Lescott sale Moyes was looking at young, unproven players from the Championship and below (Naughton, Delph), basically meaning we didn't have much in the way of funds and were having to go down the 'nurturing talent' route. I don't get why people get so angry when players we target DON'T sign - that is football, it happens to every club - yes, even the Chelsea's, Man City's and ManUre's of the world. And the fact that we keep losing players to Spurs is simple - they have a ridiculous wage policy and are quite happy to pay players like bentley to warm the bench on upwards of £50k a week.

 

Now fastforward to the Lescott sale - no one wants him to go, least of all Moyes it seems - or that's what he makes out. Coz actually, he's playing a very clever game - he knows City are loaded, so he milks them for all he can get, and wins. With that money, he buys a two established internationals aged 25 and under and a highly experienced and reliable Premiership centre back. And let's make no bones about it - Heitinga is FAR better than Naughton, and Bily is FAR better than Delph. So you could argue we've actually done better in the transfer window than the club hoped to do at the end of last season.

 

Where I do agree with you is the disappointment we haven't brought in Defour or Banega - I think we needed a creative centre mid to cover for Arteta, and our bid for Defour was well below his market value (esp if Felli was worth £15m), but i don't think there's much we can do about valencia changing their mind on Banega.

 

But as you say, Captain - what we have got now is better than what we had last season. That's progress, isn't it. So you keep your money in your pocket and bitch on about Kenwright (or go support City if a club throwing their cash around is what gets you off), I'm looking forward to the adventure ahead.

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My only concern with this transfer window is that we had to sell to buy. It just shouldn't be that way; you can't sell your better players and hope to build. So, who goes next summer in order to fund any business? Jags? Arteta? Yak? I reckon it'll be Yak myself.

 

I'm pleased with the signings we've made because we now have a stronger starting 11 but we definitely needed more bodies to bulk out the squad. So this transfer window gets a good but could have been better rating from me.

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Yes we have strengthened the "starting XI" but how many games a season do we manage to put out the strongest 11 players on the pitch? We are without Arteta and Jags with Yakubu only just getting back to fitness.

 

Every season we lose one of our big ticket players for prolonged periods. Arteta is our only real creative force (argue for Pienaar if you will but Arteta is the main man who without we look lost) therefore I feel that we really did need to strengthen more.

 

It's a squad game, you need to replace like with like and our bench has an average age of what, 17 or 18 and these young lads although prospects are miles away from regular first team action, especially at a supposed top 5 club.

 

Which other top 6 club has a bench as weak as ours? None is the short answer.

 

Now, yes we have brought in Heitinga which seems to be a good signings but we are still without any creativity on the bench and until Arteta gets back on the park too

 

Someone said earlier that they would only be concerned once the performances have suffered... seeing the first 3 league games I'd say that this has happened already.

 

Our first XI is strong, there's no debating that, my only concern is that we won't see that list of players play more than 20 games together this season and we do not have sufficient strength in depth to challenge the likes of Villa, Spurs, City, let alone the "big 4". This means we may fail to qualify for Europe, will that mean the established players will then want to leave for clubs in Europe? I'd say this is highly likely.

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Our first XI is strong, there's no debating that, my only concern is that we won't see that list of players play more than 20 games together this season and we do not have sufficient strength in depth to challenge the likes of Villa, Spurs, City, let alone the "big 4". This means we may fail to qualify for Europe, will that mean the established players will then want to leave for clubs in Europe? I'd say this is highly likely.

 

But you said our squad has improved and we have no less depth this year than last (more in fact), why do now not have the strength to beat villa and spurs who we finished ahead of last year (city are obviously a different story).

 

I agree that we will struggle if we lose arteta, but he is the lynch pin of our team and every team has players they simply can't afford to lose (can you imagine pool going for 6 months without gerrard :o ), but we did a pretty admirable job in his absence last season. Who could we realistically got to be an able replacement for arteta, even saint moutinho would have been no certainty to be a success in the prem and he definatley wouldn't have been up to arteta standard at this point in his career.

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Yes we have strengthened the "starting XI" but how many games a season do we manage to put out the strongest 11 players on the pitch? We are without Arteta and Jags with Yakubu only just getting back to fitness.

 

Every season we lose one of our big ticket players for prolonged periods. Arteta is our only real creative force (argue for Pienaar if you will but Arteta is the main man who without we look lost) therefore I feel that we really did need to strengthen more.

 

It's a squad game, you need to replace like with like and our bench has an average age of what, 17 or 18 and these young lads although prospects are miles away from regular first team action, especially at a supposed top 5 club.

 

Which other top 6 club has a bench as weak as ours? None is the short answer.

 

Now, yes we have brought in Heitinga which seems to be a good signings but we are still without any creativity on the bench and until Arteta gets back on the park too

 

Someone said earlier that they would only be concerned once the performances have suffered... seeing the first 3 league games I'd say that this has happened already.

 

Our first XI is strong, there's no debating that, my only concern is that we won't see that list of players play more than 20 games together this season and we do not have sufficient strength in depth to challenge the likes of Villa, Spurs, City, let alone the "big 4". This means we may fail to qualify for Europe, will that mean the established players will then want to leave for clubs in Europe? I'd say this is highly likely.

I see your point and it is a pity we missed out on Banega as otherwise I think we would have done very well this transfer window and covered all the areas that needed strengthening but at the same time, we do have more strength in depth than some people think. Moyes has bought a lot of players, through excellent management, who can play in a variety of positions - Neville, Heitinga, Arteta - meaning that one player in effect can cover 3 different roles. Look at Liverpool's team, without Torres they have nothing up front, we have Yakubu, Saha, Jo, Anichebe, Vaughan. Without Gerrard they're midfield is seriously weakened. They're strength in depth is wafer thin and Liverpool get a lot more revenue than us, if anyone should be getting questions asked it's Hicks and Gilette, not Kenwright. The fact is we can't spend money we don't have, we'd all like more money but as long as the club spend their money wisely and keep us going in the right direction then I'm happy. We've sold one starting player and let a load of bench warmers/injury plagued players go and brought in (on paper) 3/4 players who will possibly improve our first team, that is excellent business in my book. It was always in our interests to sell Lescott, Moyes must have known it deep down and just drove the price as high as he could to raise the necessary funds.

 

Once we get our injured star players back and with the increasing emergence of Rodwell the future looks pretty rosy in my opinion. We just need to keep in touch with City and particularly Spurs until Arteta is back, then we'll really be in business.

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I don't necessarily think that it was a case of "sell to buy" because we did have the initial fee of £5m accepted by sheff utd before Al twitchy came into the picture. So it was probably a case of getting through the window by spending as little as possible. I dont expect us to go out and spend £20-30m on players every window because its a simple fact that we cannot do that. But when you see the likes of players like Kranjcar (who would easily better what we currently have) going for £3m! Surely!! Moyes must have picked up that Pompey were out to sell there best players earlier in this window with the sales of defoe and Crouch, so we could have had that deal done pretty quickly i would have thought.

Think we were also quite unfortunate with Van der vaart aswell, will be interesting what happens with that one come January.

 

Anyways, cant see us doing better than we did last season, probably mid-table......But how many times have people thought that in previous seasons.

 

COYB.

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I see your point and it is a pity we missed out on Banega as otherwise I think we would have done very well this transfer window and covered all the areas that needed strengthening but at the same time, we do have more strength in depth than some people think. Moyes has bought a lot of players, through excellent management, who can play in a variety of positions - Neville, Heitinga, Arteta - meaning that one player in effect can cover 3 different roles. Look at Liverpool's team, without Torres they have nothing up front, we have Yakubu, Saha, Jo, Anichebe, Vaughan. Without Gerrard they're midfield is seriously weakened. They're strength in depth is wafer thin and Liverpool get a lot more revenue than us, if anyone should be getting questions asked it's Hicks and Gilette, not Kenwright. The fact is we can't spend money we don't have, we'd all like more money but as long as the club spend their money wisely and keep us going in the right direction then I'm happy. We've sold one starting player and let a load of bench warmers/injury plagued players go and brought in (on paper) 3/4 players who will possibly improve our first team, that is excellent business in my book. It was always in our interests to sell Lescott, Moyes must have known it deep down and just drove the price as high as he could to raise the necessary funds.

 

Once we get our injured star players back and with the increasing emergence of Rodwell the future looks pretty rosy in my opinion. We just need to keep in touch with City and particularly Spurs until Arteta is back, then we'll really be in business.

Some very good points, especially the comments about Liverpool and the strength and depth within there squad.

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Now before the apologists and blind loyal fans say this is a rant...

Lost me there because it's plain there's a rant coming :) .

 

"Apologists" makes the assumption that someone has done something to apologise for....presumably BK....which I don't accept.

 

Unless you want him to apologise for not being a billionnaire (I think he did once didn't he?) :huh: .

 

While we're at it, I apologise for not being a billionnaire also :( .

 

Anyway (my opinion) we've come out of the window with the club in a slightly better position financially and with a stronger squad than we had a year ago. Would have liked another player or two but the quality is certainly moving in the right direction.

 

8/10 for me....much better than last year.

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I think the issue many of the people frustrated with Bill is that he is not as straight talking as he would like to make out. Yes, we sold Lescott fot a good price and replaced him adequately with 2 centre halves and a left winger. But that is all.

 

On the balance of things we are one player off better than last year (including Jags injury which has no guarantee of success - fingers crossed) The squad size we had last year was no way near big enough, and you cannot blame injuries for that, other teams get them, it's just that we show them more because we have no cover - simple as that, and Anichebe is not a premier league striker - in effect we had Yak and Vaughan for the majority of the campaign after signing Fellaini for an inflated price with very little research done (we are almost relieved when he has an ok game and doesn't get booked - £15m?!)

 

The problem is that we have been so mistreated in terms of how money has been spent for so long that we are almost expected to be grateful when we actually sign a few players. The level of expectation has gotten so low that any photo of a player holding a shirt aloft is treated with a major buzz, when in fact the last proven exciting premiership player we signed (Distin aside) was Yak.

 

The troubling fact remains that we are no longer able to compete when the likes of Spurs open their cheque book. The manager deserves full backing in securing the players he identifies, in my mind he will be looking forward to the day when Sir Alex retires and he has an opportunity to get the players he wants. Are we as Everton fans wrong to have ambitions that exceed the spending power of our owners?

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after signing Fellaini for an inflated price with very little research done (we are almost relieved when he has an ok game and doesn't get booked - £15m?!)

 

Huh? Fellani was our joint top scorer last season, which if you remember was his FIRST in the premier leauge. He was in a country where he didnt speak the language, and a team that resembled something from scrap heap challenge due to the injuries we had!

 

Fellani also had a back injury that prevented him playing at his best for a good part of the end of last season. This season will be important for him, if he gets in a settled side now that he has ajusted to the premier leauge we should see the best of him.

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Lost me there because it's plain there's a rant coming :) .

 

"Apologists" makes the assumption that someone has done something to apologise for....presumably BK....which I don't accept.

 

Unless you want him to apologise for not being a billionnaire (I think he did once didn't he?) :huh: .

 

While we're at it, I apologise for not being a billionnaire also :( .

 

Anyway (my opinion) we've come out of the window with the club in a slightly better position financially and with a stronger squad than we had a year ago. Would have liked another player or two but the quality is certainly moving in the right direction.

 

8/10 for me....much better than last year.

 

Spot on.

 

I also began to lose interest as soon as I read the first line. I sit on the fence with BK. I'm neither pro nor anti. It would be nice if he had more money but its important to remember the state the club was in when he took over. You cant deny the improvement he's made on the club, we do however need some sort of cash injection now if we want to continue building on the ground work that BK has built.

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I don't necessarily think that it was a case of "sell to buy" because we did have the initial fee of £5m accepted by sheff utd before Al twitchy came into the picture. So it was probably a case of getting through the window by spending as little as possible. I dont expect us to go out and spend £20-30m on players every window because its a simple fact that we cannot do that. But when you see the likes of players like Kranjcar (who would easily better what we currently have) going for £3m! Surely!! Moyes must have picked up that Pompey were out to sell there best players earlier in this window with the sales of defoe and Crouch, so we could have had that deal done pretty quickly i would have thought.

Think we were also quite unfortunate with Van der vaart aswell, will be interesting what happens with that one come January.

 

Anyways, cant see us doing better than we did last season, probably mid-table......But how many times have people thought that in previous seasons.

 

COYB.

Personally I don't think that much of Krancjar anyway, he's got no pace and nothing outstanding about his game. I'm not saying I wouldn't buy him for £2.5m as a squad player but I wouldn't have been overly excited if we had got him - and as Redknapp was always favourite that was unlikely. I've no idea what Bilyaletdinov is going to be like but I'd hope he was better than Krancjar.

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Huh? Fellani was our joint top scorer last season, which if you remember was his FIRST in the premier leauge. He was in a country where he didnt speak the language, and a team that resembled something from scrap heap challenge due to the injuries we had!

 

Fellani also had a back injury that prevented him playing at his best for a good part of the end of last season. This season will be important for him, if he gets in a settled side now that he has ajusted to the premier leauge we should see the best of him.

 

 

Unfortunately I don't view a successful midfield signing at £15m as one is joint top scorer at the club when the fact is we had no recognisable striker. With his height comes the advantage of getting up for headers, however with his height comes a price as he is the least mobile midfielder I have seen in a blueshirt, he makes Barry Horne look lightning. Physical presence is great but when combined with lack of mobility you tend to find clumsiness. However the jury is still out, for £15m I expect a world beater in next 2 years.

 

If we were more pro active in the transfer markets we wouldn't be over paying for players of Felli's ability. Allegedlly we went for Krancjar - why not a month ago for £2.5m that represents the best business done that I have seen. Maybe we wouldn't have got him, but it's always a last minute rush.

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I think the issue many of the people frustrated with Bill is that he is not as straight talking as he would like to make out.

 

Exactly what erks me about the man, unfortunately it seems he conducts his business in a similar fashion.

 

Two things I forgot to mention earlier, Everton £10 million bid for Luisao then Moyes plea towards the board for extra cash. Some fans say they sit on the fence with BK, ok but were these fans on the fence also about Kirby? Because if we were then maybe that is why the vote came back yes, if we really had a say that is? Anyway back to the bids earlier in the pre-season, so where did that money go to then? It's a simple question, if anybody can answer that then I would be most grateful. If money was there then why did Moyes say a month after that there isn't enough money to make first team signings? Again it appears that the board and Moyes weren't on the same song sheet.

 

And as others have remarked, expectation is so low that by spending the Lescott money to buy three players is classed as a good window? Like I said I'm happy with the players brought in, but unhappy that BK appears to have hidden behind the Lescott sale and hasn't helped Moyes invest further into the squad, as we are still very short in the middle. Something which Moyes asked for himself, and wasn't granted.

 

Not just my opinion, facts which you all seen for yourselves.

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Spot on.

 

I also began to lose interest as soon as I read the first line. I sit on the fence with BK. I'm neither pro nor anti. It would be nice if he had more money but its important to remember the state the club was in when he took over. You cant deny the improvement he's made on the club, we do however need some sort of cash injection now if we want to continue building on the ground work that BK has built.

 

Agree with you, Mike, carlmc and probably a lot of others.

 

As long as we keep improving like we have then I'm happy. The BK and Moyes partnership (and they ARE a partnership, I think it'd be pretty blind to miss the fact that they're great friends) has done wonders for Everton football club. Okay we don't get told everything, but in this day and age you can't just tell your fans some things and expect the rest of the footballing world to ignore it. PR is very important.

 

Would like to see either a cash-injecting investor (very unlikely) or a new owner or major shareholder who would keep BK and Carter on in some capacity.

 

Whether people choose to acknowledge the fact, or simply choose to ignore it, BK bleeds blue. And he's the type of guy I want at Everton F.C

 

Unless one of you guys can find a Sheikh Al Ah-Everton :P Then I'm all for it :P

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The BK and Moyes partnership (and they ARE a partnership, I think it'd be pretty blind to miss the fact that they're great friends) has done wonders for Everton football club.

 

Whether people choose to acknowledge the fact, or simply choose to ignore it, BK bleeds blue. And he's the type of guy I want at Everton F.C

 

 

PR is very important.

 

Think some have been taken in by this.

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Spot on.

 

I also began to lose interest as soon as I read the first line. I sit on the fence with BK. I'm neither pro nor anti. It would be nice if he had more money but its important to remember the state the club was in when he took over. You cant deny the improvement he's made on the club, we do however need some sort of cash injection now if we want to continue building on the ground work that BK has built.

 

 

Agree with you, Mike, carlmc and probably a lot of others.

 

As long as we keep improving like we have then I'm happy. The BK and Moyes partnership (and they ARE a partnership, I think it'd be pretty blind to miss the fact that they're great friends) has done wonders for Everton football club. Okay we don't get told everything, but in this day and age you can't just tell your fans some things and expect the rest of the footballing world to ignore it. PR is very important.

 

Would like to see either a cash-injecting investor (very unlikely) or a new owner or major shareholder who would keep BK and Carter on in some capacity.

 

Whether people choose to acknowledge the fact, or simply choose to ignore it, BK bleeds blue. And he's the type of guy I want at Everton F.C

 

Unless one of you guys can find a Sheikh Al Ah-Everton :P Then I'm all for it :P

thanks guys, couldnt have put it better myself!

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Got to stick up for captain a little on this topic, i do agree that we have progressed as a team under Kenwright but surely this is mainly down to Moyes not Kenwright. Think we do a good job of getting top dollar for any player leaving Goodison which maybe Kenwright could have some plaudits for.

 

We are safely run and the future of out great club is not put in jeopordy by lavish spending...but surely a net outlay of ZERO pounds over the last two summers is a little worrying to people? I am not expecting ridicoulous spending but after two seasons of great performances and greatly increased income a little should come back into the transfer kitty...shouldn't it?

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Got to stick up for captain a little on this topic, i do agree that we have progressed as a team under Kenwright but surely this is mainly down to Moyes not Kenwright. Think we do a good job of getting top dollar for any player leaving Goodison which maybe Kenwright could have some plaudits for.

 

We are safely run and the future of out great club is not put in jeopordy by lavish spending...but surely a net outlay of ZERO pounds over the last two summers is a little worrying to people? I am not expecting ridicoulous spending but after two seasons of great performances and greatly increased income a little should come back into the transfer kitty...shouldn't it?

im very happy that were not going further into debt and still bringing in quality players! how is going into debt a good tihng, especially id UEFA manage to bring in this proposed punishment for clubs spending beyond their means?

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im very happy that were not going further into debt and still bringing in quality players! how is going into debt a good tihng, especially id UEFA manage to bring in this proposed punishment for clubs spending beyond their means?

 

Didn't really suggest going into debt my point was more that even with increased profits at the club this is never reflected by the size of our transfer kitty. I understand wages takes a large percentage of money from the clubs running but surely at the start of the season they couldn't have predicted finishing fifth a cup final and new deals with Chang and kitbag where is this increase in profit?

 

If there is no profit from this then surely if we have apoor season and finish mid table the difference in tv money will leave us running at a loss.

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We are constantly borrowing money much like every football club.

 

The success of the season dictates how much of the principal of the loan we pay off. I'm sure as long as we stay up that even the minimum PL TV money is enough to service the interest along with our running costs.

 

I think we've got loans secured against TV Money for at least the next 2 years, someone could correct me on that.

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Didn't really suggest going into debt my point was more that even with increased profits at the club this is never reflected by the size of our transfer kitty. I understand wages takes a large percentage of money from the clubs running but surely at the start of the season they couldn't have predicted finishing fifth a cup final and new deals with Chang and kitbag where is this increase in profit?

 

If there is no profit from this then surely if we have apoor season and finish mid table the difference in tv money will leave us running at a loss.

further into debt was my point mate. i understand the arguements that we should have more money as youve pointed out, but last time i read the club was still in debt and i like the fact that were working towards getting rid of that debt whilst bringin in quality players.. Also, theres been a big move in wage structure if what the papers are saying is true with Johnny boys wages surpassing Artetas. I wouldnt be surprised if we see signings in January (last day of course), so dont despair!

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further into debt was my point mate. i understand the arguements that we should have more money as youve pointed out, but last time i read the club was still in debt and i like the fact that were working towards getting rid of that debt whilst bringin in quality players.. Also, theres been a big move in wage structure if what the papers are saying is true with Johnny boys wages surpassing Artetas. I wouldnt be surprised if we see signings in January (last day of course), so dont despair!

 

how? we have increased the debt every year for the last few years. this year might be the first in a while we havent.

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I like BK, i was there when we had the dark days of Johnson, when it was 1 relagation fight to another to another, no europe, except for the 1 fa cup win when Joe Royal was in charge, but the board refused to give him cash to buy ole gunner solskar(spelling)so he quit. An i remember a very dark day, were we stayed up by GOAL DIFFRENCE, by 1 goal, 1 simple goal. now were the 5th best team in England, just got to a fa cup final doing well in europe an got a fantastic squad, yet you still moan. BK has taken up from a Relagation odd on favourite to almost champ league qualifyers.

 

Yes he not rich, like Abromovich, who's Chelsea are 700 mil in debt(what the point in having a rich chairman when your in so much debt).

Why didn't the top 4 spend big this time, simple THEY GOT NO MONEY, Man u an Liverpool are up to there eye balls in debt.

Man U sold Ronaldo for 80 mil an as i said when they sold him,Fergy will got hardly any of it as most will got to repaying the debt. Otherwise i sure, Imbra or Ribery would be a Utd player today.

 

Moyes has got rid of 3 crap players an brought in class players. Our squad is the BEST its been under him, an i for one am posative that we have another great season.

 

Last season we started with Yak,Vaughan Johnson,Mcfadden an Anchibe up front. We now got Yak,Saha,Jo,Vaughan an Anicehbe. I'd much reather have Saha an Jo then AJ an MCfadden.

 

Don't forget that Everton pay for players in installments, they never buy out right. Thats what alot of the debt is.

As we've Sold Lescott, an i imagine city paid in full. We probably brought the new players out right, meaning the debt is less.

Just because we bid 5 mil for Naughton, doesn't mean we HAVE 5 mil it means we can afford to pay that amount over so many months/years.

 

Take a good long look at our squad, that the squad that Moyes AND Kenwright have put together. now find the squad we had when Moyes an Kenwright took over, an tell me which is best.

 

Don't slate BK, because what he done for OUR club is amazing. Yes he not the richest chairman, but i bet he the most giving. Well except the man city owner.

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SteveO: how? we have increased the debt every year for the last few years. this year might be the first in a while we havent.

 

 

working towards mate, didnt mean we were actually getting anywhere with it! i assumed (i know, i know - big mistake) that record profits would start the curve of debts coming back down...

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SteveO: how? we have increased the debt every year for the last few years. this year might be the first in a while we havent.

 

 

working towards mate, didnt mean we were actually getting anywhere with it! i assumed (i know, i know - big mistake) that record profits would start the curve of debts coming back down...

 

 

Why do people keep refering to record profits...... We made about 20k last year.....

 

I think far to many people are getting confused with the club announcing a "record TURNOVER"

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Why do people keep refering to record profits...... We made about 20k last year.....

 

I think far to many people are getting confused with the club announcing a "record TURNOVER"

 

Yeah and often it is common for journalist to hype record turnover when disposal income is still very low due to operating costs & long term debts.

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Why do people keep refering to record profits...... We made about 20k last year.....

 

I think far to many people are getting confused with the club announcing a "record TURNOVER"

that could be it then. my financial knowledge is hardly wonderful...

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that could be it then. my financial knowledge is hardly wonderful...

 

to put it very simply; every year everton increase overdrafts, mortgages, loans, pretty much every financial product the bank will allow. we are increasing turnover, but that only really covers the costs of running the business.

i.e. we are in financial danger.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/2968287/Credit-crunch-How-Premier-League-teams-will-be-affected--Football.html

 

If the club want us to look at football as a business, then any fan of reasonable morals would stay at home and pocket the money spent on going to the match when the £50 could pay for their childrens tuition, driving lessons, uni fund - whatever.

 

Football is football, don't expect fans to have to become financial experts, we go to the games and spend our money because we love the club and want success and have pride. If you control a club and financially cannot give it the money it's reputation and fans need, then get out. Do not refuse to answer straight questions such as "how much are you asking for the club" because we deserve better, Hiding behind a canny manager will not get you all the time in the world, many fans are waiting for the day when Man City, United or Real Madrid will come calling for Jack Rodwell, with Kenwright in charge he will be sold.

 

Thanks for all you've done Bill, now please "actively" sell us. i.e let it be known how much we are up for.

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There are some people who believe that Kenwright can't sell the club because he doesn't own enough of it. He had to borrow from Paul Gregg's wife last time around:

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/2383344/Directors-wife-holds-the-purse-strings-at-Goodison.html

 

The offer document also said that Anita Gregg had arranged a further £2.5 million of committed facilities ( in plain language lent money) for True Blue which, it is intended, will be refinanced in due course.

 

I understand that Mrs Gregg also lent Kenwright money to help him finance his share of True Blue. It could have been as much as £7 million. She may also have lent other directors money.

 

 

Perhaps there is a grain of truth in that Sir Philip Green and Robert Earl are running the show?

 

http://www.timesonli...icle4467155.ece

 

Everton’s troubled pre-season took another twist yesterday when it emerged that Keith Wyness, the former chief executive, quit Goodison Park last month because of the growing influence of Sir Philip Green, the retail magnate, on the club. Wyness was linked with a similar role at Real Mallorca, but while he visited the Balearic island after leaving Everton, it was for a meeting with Robert Earl, the Planet Hollywood founder who owns 23 per cent of the Merseyside club, and Green, who has consistently denied any financial involvement in them.

 

Wyness had become increasingly concerned by Green’s input at Everton. Financial information about the club was regularly passed to the billionaire, who has no official role at Goodison, and club officials have been summoned to conferences with Green at the headquarters of Bhs, which Green owns, in London to discuss strategy. After leaving the club, Wyness went to Majorca, where an acrimonious meeting took place. The two sides failed to agree on a severance package and Wyness is believed to be planning to take Everton to an industrial tribunal.

 

There had been suggestions that the chief executive stood down because of controversy over Everton’s desire to move from Goodison Park to a new stadium in Kirkby, outside the Liverpool city boundary, or concerns about the financial future of the club. However, the sole reason was Wyness’s disquiet over the influence of Green.

 

http://www.thisismon...00&in_page_id=3

 

Billionaire rag trader Sir Philip Green is the secret power broker in the bitter, multi-million-pound struggle for control of Everton Football Club, the Evening Standard can reveal.

 

Green played a major role in the acquisition of a key 23% stake in the Merseyside club by Planet Hollywood tycoon Robert Earl from Everton board member Paul Gregg, the cinemas and leisure multi-millionare. However, it is understood Green's involvement in the deal - at a time of unprecedented interest in the ownership of top Premiership clubs - is just the culmination of a longrunning relationship with Everton's other major minority shareholder, impresario Bill Kenwright, which also saw Green play a key role in the controversial sale of England superstar Wayne Rooney to Manchester United.

 

http://news.bbc.co.u...ton/7532345.stm

 

Although Green, one of the richest men in the country, is not formally connected to Everton, he has been involved in much of the Toffees' recent activity - Mihir Bose

 

There is no proof but simply a suggestion that Green has shares in BCR Sports.

 

The shares that Paul Gregg sold are owned by BCR Sports, based in British Virgin Islands. The purpose of BVI companies is that it is notoriously difficult to find information about directors of the companies and the owner does not need to pay capital gains tax when they sell the shares and make a profit. Some records say that the shares are owned by BCR Sports whilst Everton's own accounts say they are owned by Robert Earl.

 

-- How's that for a conspiracy ? :)

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