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Sssssh, didn't you know, they're both secretly Australian!

 

Now you must like them, right?

 

Mate come on. We can all see these two are just kings of the long balls? And what is Rodwell doing today?

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the long balls today were a bit of a pisstake but if you're playing this game. Osman was shite, Baines couldnt defend, Bilys corners in teh 2nd half didnt beat the 1st man, Yobos long balls didnt go to one person. Yeah Heitinga was pants in the 1st half, but i thought he was a massive improvement in the 2nd. Distin made some good runs in the 1st half but when he knackered his knee, admittingly he started hoofing? Cahill was pretty poor today, he missed two golden opportunities...and only improved when Fellaini came on.

 

 

Oh and i was there :)

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In response to the original question, two words centre half. And for Distins long balls? if theres not an option in midfield what do you do?

 

There was options he pounded it long every time

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There was options he pounded it long every time

 

I disagree - EVERY time we had the ball in defence or even from throws, VERY rarely did any drop back to collect (which Rodwell is usually effective at) and no-one made themselves available or gave options. This continued until we had 2 up front. It wasnt Heitingas best game but then no-one played well. Distin and Yobo both HAD to hit it long - but at least Distin found a team mate on occasion.

 

From what i could see when rodwell has been playing well the team have performed and we have done well - when he has not had a great game we have struggled - like today and against Stoke. On one hand its great that the kid can run games for us at his age - on the other its not great that we are seemingly that reliant on him - especially given his age. When Pienaar and Arteta are missing we really have little in the way of creativity hence the long balls.

 

When rodwell, arteta and Pienaar are playing i think we will be playing the nice flowing, expansive football we have previously seen in flashes...

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I disagree - EVERY time we had the ball in defence or even from throws, VERY rarely did any drop back to collect (which Rodwell is usually effective at) and no-one made themselves available or gave options. This continued until we had 2 up front. It wasnt Heitingas best game but then no-one played well. Distin and Yobo both HAD to hit it long - but at least Distin found a team mate on occasion.

 

From what i could see when rodwell has been playing well the team have performed and we have done well - when he has not had a great game we have struggled - like today and against Stoke. On one hand its great that the kid can run games for us at his age - on the other its not great that we are seemingly that reliant on him - especially given his age. When Pienaar and Arteta are missing we really have little in the way of creativity hence the long balls.

 

When rodwell, arteta and Pienaar are playing i think we will be playing the nice flowing, expansive football we have previously seen in flashes...

 

I just feel distin and heitinga are one dimensional. Distin has a heavy touch to. We are better suited with Neill.

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I just feel distin and heitinga are one dimensional. Distin has a heavy touch to. We are better suited with Neill.

 

 

You have absolutely no idea if we're better suited with Neill coz the fella hasn't played for us yet, so you don't know how he'd fit into our side.

 

Those long balls were a disgrace though and pissed me right off.

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In response to the original question, two words centre half. And for Distins long balls? if theres not an option in midfield what do you do?

 

 

I agree 100%

 

The only good game Hietinga has had for us was against Stoke when he played CB. He is definitely not a midfielder I thought he was absolutely awful in the first half yesterday

 

As for Distin I am totally bemused as to why people are having a pop at him. If Jags had have been playing do these people think he would have brought the ball out of defense like a latter day Alan Hansen or hoofed it upfield?

 

When Piennar and Arteta dont play there is nobody in our midfield who shows for the ball, with the possible exception of Roddrs. That is why we never seem to be able to retain possesion and that is why the CBs are playing long balls upfield

 

I disagree - EVERY time we had the ball in defence or even from throws, VERY rarely did any drop back to collect (which Rodwell is usually effective at) and no-one made themselves available or gave options. This continued until we had 2 up front. It wasnt Heitingas best game but then no-one played well. Distin and Yobo both HAD to hit it long - but at least Distin found a team mate on occasion.

 

From what i could see when rodwell has been playing well the team have performed and we have done well - when he has not had a great game we have struggled - like today and against Stoke. On one hand its great that the kid can run games for us at his age - on the other its not great that we are seemingly that reliant on him - especially given his age. When Pienaar and Arteta are missing we really have little in the way of creativity hence the long balls.

 

When rodwell, arteta and Pienaar are playing i think we will be playing the nice flowing, expansive football we have previously seen in flashes...

 

 

Lol I read your post after I had written mine, obviously I agree with you!

 

That will teach me for not reading all the posts before entering my own!

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You have absolutely no idea if we're better suited with Neill coz the fella hasn't played for us yet, so you don't know how he'd fit into our side.

 

Those long balls were a disgrace though and pissed me right off.

Neill keeps possesion better and supports the mids well. He'd allow us to play more free flowing.

 

I agree 100%

 

The only good game Hietinga has had for us was against Stoke when he played CB. He is definitely not a midfielder I thought he was absolutely awful in the first half yesterday

 

As for Distin I am totally bemused as to why people are having a pop at him. If Jags had have been playing do these people think he would have brought the ball out of defense like a latter day Alan Hansen or hoofed it upfield?

 

When Piennar and Arteta dont play there is nobody in our midfield who shows for the ball, with the possible exception of Roddrs. That is why we never seem to be able to retain possesion and that is why the CBs are playing long balls upfield

Yesterday distins heavy touch closed down short options to keep possesion. He also lacks intensity when on the ball. Make sure you pay special attention next match mate. Look forward to hearing your views.

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Theres a rumour going around that you are in fact Lucas Neil himself, wait your turn mate like everybody else has to.

If your any good you'll get in soon enough, theres lots of games on the horizon and we will need all of our squad, but 1st off you need to be 100% Fit. ;)

and Stop crying.

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I thought hietinga got back a few time during the game and provided some valuable cover, I also think that he's not settled into premier league or our club yet... give the new guys time ffs.

 

Distin is the most settled because he's played the same position for most of our games and is a premier league player...

 

I'm sure the new signings will fit in nicely by the end of the season...

 

Niell will eventually get a go, he was rusty when he started playing for Australia against the Oranje but by the end of the game he was solid... tbh the pace of the EPL is a tad quicker than Aus v Ned and Aus v Oman...

 

Patience...

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Neill keeps possesion better and supports the mids well. He'd allow us to play more free flowing.

 

 

Yesterday distins heavy touch closed down short options to keep possesion. He also lacks intensity when on the ball. Make sure you pay special attention next match mate. Look forward to hearing your views.

 

Shut up you patronising tit I am 42 yrs old I have been watching and playing football long enough to know a good player when I see one

 

Although I do have to admit I havent got the slightest idea what you are talking about. How do you look intense on the ball? :blink:

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Shut up you patronising tit I am 42 yrs old I have been watching and playing football long enough to know a good player when I see one

 

Although I do have to admit I havent got the slightest idea what you are talking about. How do you look intense on the ball? :blink:

 

I think he wants distin to spin and step-over his way out of our half.

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Neill keeps possesion better and supports the mids well. He'd allow us to play more free flowing.

 

 

Yesterday distins heavy touch closed down short options to keep possesion. He also lacks intensity when on the ball. Make sure you pay special attention next match mate. Look forward to hearing your views.

 

 

how can a cb make it more free flowing with no midfield to pass it to?? is he gonna take on the whole fuckin team on his own! if so then he wouldnt have been on a free! now as they say if you aint got summat good to say fuck off! or summat along those lines...youre gettin to milky standards now

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I have been pleased with Johnny so far. He carries the ball well, always wants to get the ball moving forward. The problem is that he is being mved arond the team all the time. I dont think he has consecutivly played in the same position yet. Being swapped around from CB to RB to DM, it's hardly going to be easy to cement yourself is it? However he has still showed his class in parts. Can celarly make a pass, is composed on the ball, plus he is willing to help organise a defence and is vocal at the back, unlike "captain" yobo who never seems to put that sort of effort in.

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Look guys, we are all everton fans. And everyone is getting defensive. But lets not forget, we are mid table and have had a shite start to the season. So maybe its time for a reality check on how good these guys really are?

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Shut up you patronising tit I am 42 yrs old I have been watching and playing football long enough to know a good player when I see one

 

Although I do have to admit I havent got the slightest idea what you are talking about. How do you look intense on the ball? :blink:

 

Age has nothing to do with debates.

 

Quite simply a lack of intensity on the ball, means he takes to long to release it. Which allows opposing team players to close him down and squeeze our open players, which means he has to play the long ball every time.

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hes obviously not a midfielder...played some cracking passes when at cb against stoke and had a decent game at right back...moyes messed up playing such a negative formation the team that started the second half should have started the game...but first and foremost heitinga is quite obviously not a midfielder so cant be criticised if hes not got a set position

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i agree with stevo...would you pass the ball to osman knowing full well he'll lose it? the reason we play so much better when we have pienaar and arteta is because they're the only 2 skilful midfielders we have, the only ones capable of retaining possession. if you've got not midfield to pass to then as a defender you're going to look to your strikers...it's the same as when people get on strikers backs for not scoring enough (beattie and aj) when you don't get the service then you can't do anything about it. our midfield is very very poor without mikky and peanuts...very!

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i agree with stevo...would you pass the ball to osman knowing full well he'll lose it? the reason we play so much better when we have pienaar and arteta is because they're the only 2 skilful midfielders we have, the only ones capable of retaining possession. if you've got not midfield to pass to then as a defender you're going to look to your strikers...it's the same as when people get on strikers backs for not scoring enough (beattie and aj) when you don't get the service then you can't do anything about it. our midfield is very very poor without mikky and peanuts...very!

 

even worse when rodwell seems off the pace...we can get away with it when he is on his game but cant expect so much from a young kid every week

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Let's not forget young jack was suffering a virus a few weeks back, though I expected him to have bounced back after the 2 week break.

I personally think he's also being overplayed atm.

 

Think hibbo should have been benched, Johnny H at RB, yak on from start... maybe we can't do that yet because of his injury recovery? Perhaps starting with Jo then..

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Age has nothing to do with debates.

 

Quite simply a lack of intensity on the ball, means he takes to long to release it. Which allows opposing team players to close him down and squeeze our open players, which means he has to play the long ball every time.

 

I was merely pointing out that I have seen and played enough football in my life to recognise a good footballer when I see one without you telling me what I need to look out for.

 

You seem to be completely missing the point. None of our midfielders were coming short to make themselves available for a simple ball for the CBs so they had no choice but to hit it long

 

You seem to be blinded by your love affair with Lucas Niell to be able to see things objectively

 

Nobody is saying thhat Niell is a bad player and Im sure once he gets his chance he will do well, only time will tell. But you seem to be trying to start a witch hunt against Distin in order to give him that chance

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and they wonder why we love beating them at every opportunity! i hate cricket, really really hate it, but i'll watch that crap all day long to see an aussie sulk! i hate cricket, but i loved the ashes!

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Look guys, we are all everton fans. And everyone is getting defensive. But lets not forget, we are mid table and have had a shite start to the season. So maybe its time for a reality check on how good these guys really are?

 

Give it a rest please? You're giving us Aussies a bad name. Neill is a good player - but so is Heitinga, Distin and Yobo, so for the moment Neill will have to wait his turn (which he would have known when he signed). I'm willing to bet he'll get his chance this week against Bolton and then it will be up to him to keep his spot.

 

You are seriously embarrassing yourself. Yes we're midtable but if you think it's purely because Lucas Neill is warming the bench and we're playing too many long balls then you alot less about the game than you make out. Maybe, just maybe, our poor start is due to a number of things, such as the Lescott saga at the start of the season, a group of new players learning to play together, and injuries to our best defender, striker, and 2 best midfielders. Lucas Neill is not the SOLE answer to Everton's problems at the moment.

 

As I say, your love affair with the Aussie players is embarrassing for us all down here. Cahill is a good player - nothing more, nothing less. At times he can be as good as Lampard and Gerrard, and at other times he has less impact on the game than Osman. He is erratic - no world beater, but every Everton fan is happy to have him. And Neill is OK - at times his defensive work can be first class. At others though he gives away too many free kicks, is undisciplined and gets caught in the wrong position.

 

So please, do all of us favour, take off your rose coloured glasses of Aussie players, and start supporting the entire Everton squad rather than the 2 that happen to wear green and gold a couple of times a year.

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and they wonder why we love beating them at every opportunity! i hate cricket, really really hate it, but i'll watch that crap all day long to see an aussie sulk! i hate cricket, but i loved the ashes!

 

Mate, you only ever beat us in the UK and that's because you doctor pitches to suit your needs...and even then you only crawl over the line. Every time you come to Oz though you get a smashing.

 

As an Aussie, we always enjoy watching you Poms bash your own as soon as things go a little wrong, and then carry on like you're the greatest ever as soon as you actually win something. Let's not forget that your population is triple ours and still you battle to keep up with us on the sporting field...it's embarrassing for you.

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Mate, you only ever beat us in the UK and that's because you doctor pitches to suit your needs...

 

That's called rain mate!.......

 

AND!.....You were saying your population is 1/3 that of England, maybe that's true, but I'm pretty sure that if you had to pick a team out of Russian and Polish people you'd find you had a selection a problem :)

 

Buddy, I did like your post on the present Everton and Cahill situation, think you got that spot on!

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Give it a rest please? You're giving us Aussies a bad name. Neill is a good player - but so is Heitinga, Distin and Yobo, so for the moment Neill will have to wait his turn (which he would have known when he signed). I'm willing to bet he'll get his chance this week against Bolton and then it will be up to him to keep his spot.

 

You are seriously embarrassing yourself. Yes we're midtable but if you think it's purely because Lucas Neill is warming the bench and we're playing too many long balls then you alot less about the game than you make out. Maybe, just maybe, our poor start is due to a number of things, such as the Lescott saga at the start of the season, a group of new players learning to play together, and injuries to our best defender, striker, and 2 best midfielders. Lucas Neill is not the SOLE answer to Everton's problems at the moment.

 

As I say, your love affair with the Aussie players is embarrassing for us all down here. Cahill is a good player - nothing more, nothing less. At times he can be as good as Lampard and Gerrard, and at other times he has less impact on the game than Osman. He is erratic - no world beater, but every Everton fan is happy to have him. And Neill is OK - at times his defensive work can be first class. At others though he gives away too many free kicks, is undisciplined and gets caught in the wrong position.

 

So please, do all of us favour, take off your rose coloured glasses of Aussie players, and start supporting the entire Everton squad rather than the 2 that happen to wear green and gold a couple of times a year.

 

 

1st of all i go for Everton through and through we get 3 points, thats all that matters.

 

2) Im trying to work out why we continued to give away possession over the weekend. Came to Heitinga going missing and Distin launching long ball after long ball, which he forced on himself by taking to long on the ball. Others have seen this.

 

Neill doesn't play the long ball that much and would suit our team. Hes much better at keeping position. Giving Rodwell, Cahill more chance of holding the ball. And linking up with Saha and Yakubu.

 

No one is embarassing themselves. We are talking football. Reality check but, we have started this season poorly, and look nothing near convincing. Mod's don't edit this, it isn't kindergarten. We are all grown men here!

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Mod's don't edit this, it isn't kindergarten. We are all grown men here!

 

Why would anyone want to edit it :mellow: ?

 

And hey Buddy...doesn't every cricket team at whatever level prepare their home pitch to make the most of their strengths? Even Australia ;) ? It's an accepted and acceptable part of the game.

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1st of all i go for Everton through and through we get 3 points, thats all that matters.

 

2) Im trying to work out why we continued to give away possession over the weekend. Came to Heitinga going missing and Distin launching long ball after long ball, which he forced on himself by taking to long on the ball. Others have seen this.

 

Neill doesn't play the long ball that much and would suit our team. Hes much better at keeping position. Giving Rodwell, Cahill more chance of holding the ball. And linking up with Saha and Yakubu.

No one is embarassing themselves. We are talking football. Reality check but, we have started this season poorly, and look nothing near convincing. Mod's don't edit this, it isn't kindergarten. We are all grown men here!

 

whats he gonna do use his jedi powers to summon cahill and robwell?! they wernt comin for the ball thats why distin was launchin it! you're just bein ignorant about it that fact cos you seem to lick neills arse

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this is a funny post, but an enjoyable read nonetheless.. Anyhow id like to clear the matter of distins long balls and the fact evertontoffees believes he takes too long on the ball. I don't know if you realise this but the reason for distins long balls is the fact no one comes from midfield or even bothers coming from midfield to collect the ball from our back 4. Example - yesterday i watched man utd and every time vidic or ferdinand got the ball, anderson and scholes both drppped off giving the option of a link between defence midfield. It got me thinking our team doesnt have that capability without arteta in the team, and thats the sole reason at this moment in time our cb'c mostly, are playing the long ball, excluding the midfield hoping a knockdown from saha or any other striker will then bring in our attacking midfielders. I hope this makes sense everton toffees, so that also answers the "neill is better at playing cb" question, as it has nothing to do with the centre backs, and i would start distin any day of the week against neill, ive grown to like him since he joined everton :)

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Mate, you only ever beat us in the UK and that's because you doctor pitches to suit your needs...and even then you only crawl over the line. Every time you come to Oz though you get a smashing.

 

As an Aussie, we always enjoy watching you Poms bash your own as soon as things go a little wrong, and then carry on like you're the greatest ever as soon as you actually win something. Let's not forget that your population is triple ours and still you battle to keep up with us on the sporting field...it's embarrassing for you.

 

i take it from your response my words hit a nerve.

i love that you think we battle to keep up with you on the sporting field. theres only one sport that matters, and we know who the better side is.

 

i like your response to everton toffee, maybe he'll listen to you.

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With a defence of Coleman - Distin - Hibbert - Gosling.

 

Yes I'll completely agree with you. Neill would have been brilliant tonight. If he was eligible :rolleyes::rolleyes:

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With a defence of Coleman - Distin - Hibbert - Gosling.

 

Yes I'll completely agree with you. Neill would have been brilliant tonight. If he was eligible :rolleyes::rolleyes:

 

Um, you know the guy called Distin at the back? The guy who was responsible for 2-3 Benfica goals tonight? Yeh that guy. You know him? Well he adds credibility to the thread after tonights performance. Right back, left back, center back, left right out back. Neill needs to be on asap.

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Mate we just lost 5-0. Now my thread has a lot of credibility.

 

why...?

 

cos distin had a bad game and the rest were out of position?? to be honest id say neill should be better than a couple of kids and a small full back in the centre...you're a prick and no one will want to be arsed with you after tonight

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why...?

 

cos distin had a bad game and the rest were out of position?? to be honest id say neill should be better than a couple of kids and a small full back in the centre...you're a prick and no one will want to be arsed with you after tonight

 

haha. You guys are can give me crap. Now you can't admit you were wrong. Distin has been horrible since we have signed him. We will be lucky not to get relegated this year.

 

I must be the only realistic everton fan!

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But I thought your argument was about hoofing? Now you're talking about defending. Is there anything else that Neill is better at? Should we just let Neill manage?

 

I'm not in anyway opposed to having Neill play, I am however taking exception to the fact any defensive mistake will be seized on by you as evidence that Neill should have been playing when you previously said you wanted Neill on for his ball play.

 

Seamus Coleman is one of my favourite Everton players, but I don't call for him to play when I know there are better players to play there.

 

Neill may or may not be the right switch. I'd much rather see Heitinga in at centre-half and Hibbert moved to the right with Yobo coming into the centre too.

 

EDIT: Distin's been quality for us besides the last 2 games.

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distin hasnt been crap he had a bad game tonight granted...coleman at fault for 1st goal, fellaini for 2nd and arguably the 3rd but id say thats harsh...distin for the 4th and hibbert for the 5th from what i read on bbc...thats 1 goal at fault for not 2-3! you just cant see past your blinkered vision of your bessie mate neill if he was that good he wouldnt have been on a free end of!

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But I thought your argument was about hoofing? Now you're talking about defending. Is there anything else that Neill is better at? Should we just let Neill manage?

 

I'm not in anyway opposed to having Neill play, I am however taking exception to the fact any defensive mistake will be seized on by you as evidence that Neill should have been playing when you previously said you wanted Neill on for his ball play.

 

Seamus Coleman is one of my favourite Everton players, but I don't call for him to play when I know there are better players to play there.

 

Neill may or may not be the right switch. I'd much rather see Heitinga in at centre-half and Hibbert moved to the right with Yobo coming into the centre too.

 

EDIT: Distin's been quality for us besides the last 2 games.

 

If you guys can't see it now. You never will. May as well not even watch the everton game.

 

Im not going to respond to the childish arguments. Put simply im right.

 

Why? We lost 5-0 and Distin was pumping it long and getting beaten by his man.

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If you guys can't see it now. You never will. May as well not even watch the everton game.

 

Im not going to respond to the childish arguments. Put simply im right.

 

Why? We lost 5-0 and Distin was pumping it long and getting beaten by his man.

 

 

what would neill do different take on the 10 outfield players and slot it home? just fuck off the last thing we need is a dickhead like you talkin shite after that performance

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what would neill do different take on the 10 outfield players and slot it home? just fuck off the last thing we need is a dickhead like you talkin shite after that performance

 

With fans like you who needs wins? Seems like your happy to lose. And the 11 on the park tonight were great?

 

Im not fucking off. How bout you fuck off and open your eyes.

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im not sayin they were great im sayin neill isnt a superman and i would be annoyed if he didnt do better than any of the defence tonight but we dont need you spoutin shite when we have just lost like that! you seem to think neill is amazing when he isnt anything better than a squad player!

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im not sayin they were great im sayin neill isnt a superman and i would be annoyed if he didnt do better than any of the defence tonight but we dont need you spoutin shite when we have just lost like that! you seem to think neill is amazing when he isnt anything better than a squad player!

 

Yeh and im not saying Distin isn't a good defender. he seems a bit out of form. And im not sure why Neill didn't get a run tonight?

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Maybe watch the goals again. Notice Distin man is unmarked how many times? If you guys can't see that adds credbility to this thread. Than all hope is lost. Its common soccer knowledge now!

 

well if you noticed the 1st goal was colemans fault and 2 of the other goals were from gosling getting outpaced... i thought distin played well tonight best defender on the field for everton

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Yeh and im not saying Distin isn't a good defender. he seems a bit out of form. And im not sure why Neill didn't get a run tonight?

 

PROBABLY DIDNT GET A RUN BECAUSE HE'S NOT ELIGIBLE. now STF up and go and jizz all over Lucas. :rolleyes:

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