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MOTM - Burnley (home)  

45 members have voted

  1. 1. ?

    • Howard
      0
    • Hibbert
      1
    • Heitinga
      14
    • Neill
      1
    • Baines
      1
    • Bilyaletdinov
      0
    • Osman
      0
    • Fellaini
      9
    • Pienaar
      18
    • Cahill
      0
    • Yakubu
      0
    • Neville
      1
    • Vaughan
      0


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Current Player of the Year standings....

Fellaini 146

 

Saha 107

 

Pienaar 106

 

Rodwell 94

 

Heitinga 81

 

Bilyaletdinov 77

 

Hibbert 70

 

Coleman 70

 

Howard 61

 

Baines 50

 

Distin 38

 

Osman 24

 

Yakubu 23

 

Cahill 23

 

Duffy 23

 

Yobo 20

 

Neill 14

 

João Alves Jô 10

 

Gosling 6

 

Nash 3

 

Baxter 3

 

Agard 2

 

Neville 2

 

Forshaw 1

 

Akpan 1

 

MOTM winners....

 

Sunderland (A) Marouane Fellaini

 

Birmingham (A) Leighton Baines

 

BATE Boresov (H)...Shane Duffy

 

Chelsea (A)...Johnny Heitinga

 

Tottenham (H)...Seamus Coleman

 

AEK Athens (A)...Steven Pienaar

 

Liverpool (H)...Marouane Fellaini

 

Hull City (A)...Johnny Heitinga

 

Manchester United (A)...Johnny Heitinga

 

West Ham (A)...Johnny Heitinga

 

Benfica (H)...Marouane Fellaini

 

Aston Villa (H)...Diniyar Bilyaletdinov

 

Tottenham (A)...Tony Hibbert

 

Bolton (A)...Louis Saha

 

Benfica (A)...Sylvain Distin

 

Wolves (H)...Diniyar Bilyaletdinov

 

Stoke City (H)...Johnny Heitinga

 

BATE Borisov (A)...Tony Hibbert

 

Portsmouth (A)...Tim Howard

 

Hull City (A)...Leon Osman

 

Blackburn (H)...Louis Saha

 

AEK Athens (H)...Diniyar Bilyaletdinov

 

Fulham (A)...Sylvain Distin

 

Wigan...(H)...Jack Rodwell

 

Sigma Olomouc (A)...Steven Pienaar

 

Burnley...(A)...Tony Hibbert

 

Sigma Olomouc (H)...Jack Rodwell

 

Arsenal (H)...Steven Pienaar

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Hard to chose i think Jonny H was a rock all day and made some great challenge's could have easily got man of the match. But my vote goes to Pienaar for his hard work and a great goal at the end.

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Pienaar by a mile. Our only effective, creative force going forward today...and that goal... B)

 

Felli did well second half, but didn't show up for the first 45.

 

Johnny was solid in the back, thank fuck for that, since...

 

Neill was just fair today. Didn't make any big mistakes, but still doesn't look terribly comfortable at CB.

 

Hibbo, finally looked comfy going forward, despite his miserable crossing.

 

Baines was shit going forward and his crosses and set pieces were absolutely shocking.

 

Bily and Cahill finally got involved but managed not to contribute a thing to the match.

 

Ossie was great in the first, but disappeared in the 2nd. Bummer too as he had some great vision and chances in the first 45.

 

Yakubu should have had that 1st goal. Did well, a few more games and he'll be back to himself. Some really neat touches today.

 

Howard kept us in it several times. Some great saves and a fantastic game except for the one slip up with the corner. (Forgiven)

 

Vaughn proved he's still got a shot to be big.

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Heitinga was my MOTM today, apart from the their very first chance from Fletcher where he probably should have done a little bit more he didnt put a foot wrong in the whole game and the tackle on Nugent to just toe it Howard was world class. He really is going to be a great player for the club if he keeps playing like this.

 

Neill had another decent game although I still feel slightly nervy about him. He seems keen to drop off and sometimes thats good but it sometimes gives the oppo that little bit more space.

 

Hibbert and Baines did well but their delivery lacked again today. Baines did put in a couple of real quality crosses but it was far outweighed by the shite. The one corner Heitinga took was spot on and on another day Felli would have lashed it into the back of the net so I think he should get the nod.

 

Felli, Osman and Billy all worked really hard and all should have scored at some point. I think Billy's defensive work sometimes goes unnoticed at times and he should be commended for it as a new player in a much faster league than he is used to. Billy also looked very handy when he came more central and maybe with Cahill out and Neville working his way back he could be used here?

 

Pienaar worked his nuts off yet again today, and although not that much really came off for him until he lashed in the second, he was everywhere.

 

It looks like Cahills got a fairly bad injury which isnt good news but he hasnt really been contributing that much and today was no different. He was better but didnt really have an impact. When Neville came on for him he looked like he had never been away.

 

For the most part Yakubu did a decent job linking the play and creating chances but he should have scored. He started to fade in the second half but showed his quality for Pienaars goal. It was his most promising performance since his injury IMO.

 

I almost chose JV as MOTM just because I think he is an awesome player who just needs to get a break from injuries, and to come on and score what is a very important goal in the future of our season. He is still only 21 and with a good run of games I hope he will develop into the star a lot of people thought he would be. Plus he must have the most mental strength of all the players at Everton as Im sure most people would have given up after all the injuries he has been through!

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I gave it to Pienaar for his sheer work rate and goal today he put in a great shift today but was very close to giving it Heitinga he's solid strong and has great timing and also pings a good ball, The rest of the lads had a good game i was disappointed in Yak for the most part should have potted one or two today quite easily and Baines did the running etc but his delivery was shocking the only part of his game that let him down today

 

All in all a good game from the lads and nice to see JV get on the score sheet it will do wonder's for his confidence onwards and upwards as they say :)

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johnny h for me i think hes solid as others have said and showing a level of consistancy now , peanuts was good again and a close second but he and to many others cant seem to pass to our own players these days frustrating today

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probably as poor as we have een for a few games, however i thought felli just edged it. dont agree with the majority and think the pie man wasnt at his best today. although he did score a quality goal. not usualy a hibbo basher, however his delivery was awful, i was crying for coleman.

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johnny looks like a rock at the back, pienaar showed why we will miss him so much!

hibbo and billy had some good link up on the right.

i gave it to felli as hes really looking good to me.

made up for vaughan!

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Pienaar for me. As suggested Hetinga was also a candidate but we were playing BURNLEY and AT HOME so I refuse to give a MOTM to a defender. We made hard work of what should have been an easy win.

Nice pass by Yakubu for Pienaars goal but Yakubu frustrates me. How many times have you seen him pull a shot because he tries to hit it too hard (as in the first half). And he seems more interested in looking for free kicks that playing Football. He hasnt got the killer touch. That one that hit the post was verging on embarrassing, shouldve been in and wouldve been if he hadnt have missed kicked it. Saha is twice the player Yakubu will ever be (happy to be proved wrong). Thankfully Vaughan came on save the game (just lucky the goal wasnt ruled out for offside as YAKUBU was in front of the goalie in an off side pozzi, Hey, theyve been given before).

 

There, anti-Yakubu rant over.

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little harsh on the yak man. sure he hasn't got the world class touch saha has, but remember back a year when he scored 21 for us. He did go down to easy a few times today, but he also had quite a few really neat touches. And honestly, to pick apart that shot is a little ridiculous...it was the one brilliant piece of service that yak had all day and he missed the volley by an inch.

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little harsh on the yak man. sure he hasn't got the world class touch saha has, but remember back a year when he scored 21 for us. He did go down to easy a few times today, but he also had quite a few really neat touches. And honestly, to pick apart that shot is a little ridiculous...it was the one brilliant piece of service that yak had all day and he missed the volley by an inch.

 

Fair enough, he just frustrates me. I do hope he gets back to his scoring ways to make me eat my words but I cant see it happening TBH.

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Hopefully the African cup of nations, if Yak's going, can help with form.

 

I thought peanuts was MOTM for work rate, creating chances etc, was frustrated by a few of his choices to shoot instead of pass/hold up, but overall he was the driving force today.

 

Bily and Hibbo did indeed link up well at times, this is excellent to see. I thought some of bily's thru balls and passes were brilliant today, though he's still tiring early, the tracking back tackle mid-game was nice to see. I believe he will be excellent for us.

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Heitinga for me, very solid at the back, hopefully when Jags comes back him and Johnny will be our centre back partnership B)

 

I've got to say though, I was never more frustrated today over a game of football. I hope they drill finishing this week ridiculously because with all those chances we should have scored at least a few more.

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Pienaar for me. As suggested Hetinga was also a candidate but we were playing BURNLEY and AT HOME so I refuse to give a MOTM to a defender. We made hard work of what should have been an easy win.

Nice pass by Yakubu for Pienaars goal but Yakubu frustrates me. How many times have you seen him pull a shot because he tries to hit it too hard (as in the first half). And he seems more interested in looking for free kicks that playing Football. He hasnt got the killer touch. That one that hit the post was verging on embarrassing, shouldve been in and wouldve been if he hadnt have missed kicked it. Saha is twice the player Yakubu will ever be (happy to be proved wrong). Thankfully Vaughan came on save the game (just lucky the goal wasnt ruled out for offside as YAKUBU was in front of the goalie in an off side pozzi, Hey, theyve been given before).

 

There, anti-Yakubu rant over.

 

 

Dont listen to Owen Coyle the referee got it right as Yakubu was clearly played onside by Tyrone Mears

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Dont listen to Owen Coyle the referee got it right as Yakubu was clearly played onside by Tyrone Mears

More than a bit fortunate that one of his bootlaces was in line with Yakubu. :)

Is the defender passive in the 1st/2nd stage like the attackers are ??.

I wouldnt have complained if it had been given offside because Yak was deffo rubbing shoulders with the goalie on the goal line, while the defender in question was 20 yards away out towards the wing. ;)

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heit or felli and i went with felli...pienaar votes stun me, he was poor...again, i thought. he scored a good goal but in the first half he was absolutely awful he spooned a great chance to put a ball in over the bar, never managed to play the final ball, has a couple of horrific shots. he's overrated. last year he had a good season fair enough but look at his goals return even over 2 seasons and the amount of assists he's managed this year or since arteta was out. although that's not all he's around for as our 'creative' spark his job is to make things happen and he's been incapable...yesterday was the first time he's contributed either a goal or assist since the opening day of the season and yet people are still bummin him and desperate to tie him down and stuff...he's not earned a new deal at this point in my book.

 

bear in mind that i actually like pienaar and think he is one of our better players. i think the lad has plenty of quality but he's been worthy of some of the praise he's been getting imo.

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More than a bit fortunate that one of his bootlaces was in line with Yakubu. :)

Is the defender passive in the 1st/2nd stage like the attackers are ??.

I wouldnt have complained if it had been given offside because Yak was deffo rubbing shoulders with the goalie on the goal line, while the defender in question was 20 yards away out towards the wing. ;)

 

 

Not really, his boot lace was attached to his boot which was in turn on his foot which incidentally was attached to his leg and as that is a part of his body that means he played the Yak on side!

 

There is no such thing as a defender being active or passive and so it makes no difference how far or close he was to Yak

 

It wasnt even a close call he clearly played him onside so I would have been outraged if we had another perfectly good goal chalked off

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Bily and Hibbo did indeed link up well at times, this is excellent to see. I thought some of bily's thru balls and passes were brilliant today, though he's still tiring early, the tracking back tackle mid-game was nice to see. I believe he will be excellent for us.

 

his season started last winter, probably needs a break. next year will be better i hope.

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Not really, his boot lace was attached to his boot which was in turn on his foot which incidentally was attached to his leg and as that is a part of his body that means he played the Yak on side!

 

There is no such thing as a defender being active or passive and so it makes no difference how far or close he was to Yak

 

It wasnt even a close call he clearly played him onside so I would have been outraged if we had another perfectly good goal chalked off

 

Tongue in cheek mate, hence smiley faces. :rolleyes:

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heit or felli and i went with felli...pienaar votes stun me, he was poor...again, i thought. he scored a good goal but in the first half he was absolutely awful he spooned a great chance to put a ball in over the bar, never managed to play the final ball, has a couple of horrific shots. he's overrated. last year he had a good season fair enough but look at his goals return even over 2 seasons and the amount of assists he's managed this year or since arteta was out. although that's not all he's around for as our 'creative' spark his job is to make things happen and he's been incapable...yesterday was the first time he's contributed either a goal or assist since the opening day of the season and yet people are still bummin him and desperate to tie him down and stuff...he's not earned a new deal at this point in my book.

 

bear in mind that i actually like pienaar and think he is one of our better players. i think the lad has plenty of quality but he's been worthy of some of the praise he's been getting imo.

 

 

Get real Piennar has finished the season with the most amount of assists for the past 2 seasons for a reason

 

He is by far our most creative player, it is no coincidence that Evertons return to form over the past 5 games has coincided with Peanuts' return

 

Even if he doesnt always get accredited with the actual final ball you can virtually guarantee he will have been heavily involved in the move at some point

 

Without Piennar our side seems to lose the ability to pass the ball and revert to launching big balls over the top

 

Add to that the amount of grass he covers each game and you will soon discover that he is our most effective and probably our hardest working player

 

If you think he is over rated then god only knows what you think about the rest of our side

 

 

In short wake up and smell the coffee! :P

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Get real Piennar has finished the season with the most amount of assists for the past 2 seasons for a reason

 

He is by far our most creative player, it is no coincidence that Evertons return to form over the past 5 games has coincided with Peanuts' return

 

Even if he doesnt always get accredited with the actual final ball you can virtually guarantee he will have been heavily involved in the move at some point

 

Without Piennar our side seems to lose the ability to pass the ball and revert to launching big balls over the top

 

Add to that the amount of grass he covers each game and you will soon discover that he is our most effective and probably our hardest working player

 

If you think he is over rated then god only knows what you think about the rest of our side

 

 

In short wake up and smell the coffee! :P

 

smelt it and pienaars still not as good as people say he is. if were considering running around to be effective lets bring back aj.

 

you can look at past seasons all you want, and arteta actually had more assists the season before last, so in fact its only one season.

 

this is hardly what i call form and personally, although i stil ldont rate him that highly, i think fellaini is the real reason we've played 'better'... not pienaar.

 

as for what i think of the rest of the side, not much...not much at all this season. as i said i think pienaars one of our better players but he doesnt deserve the praise he's been getting this year, especially yesterday. his impact is barely anything by comparison to what arteta adds to the side when he's fit.

 

to me bily needs time to adjust to england but he's shown glimses of quality at least. even in playing relatively poorly though, he's still offering more in and around the box than pienaar has/does.

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smelt it and pienaars still not as good as people say he is. if were considering running around to be effective lets bring back aj.

 

you can look at past seasons all you want, and arteta actually had more assists the season before last, so in fact its only one season.

this is hardly what i call form and personally, although i stil ldont rate him that highly, i think fellaini is the real reason we've played 'better'... not pienaar.

 

as for what i think of the rest of the side, not much...not much at all this season. as i said i think pienaars one of our better players but he doesnt deserve the praise he's been getting this year, especially yesterday. his impact is barely anything by comparison to what arteta adds to the side when he's fit.

 

to me bily needs time to adjust to england but he's shown glimses of quality at least. even in playing relatively poorly though, he's still offering more in and around the box than pienaar has/does.

 

 

No he never Arteta had 7 assists to Piennars 9

 

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team/squad?teamId=368&season=2007&cat=starts&cc=5739&leagueId=0

 

Anyway as I said in my last post I dont read too much into the stats because even if Piennar doesnt play the final ball he is invariably involved heavily somwhere in the move anyway

 

I am not having a pop but do you ever go to the game?

 

Thats not having a go I just find it hard to beleive that anybody can watch Everton and not appreciate what Piennar brings to the side

 

If you seriously think all he does is " just run around" then you really havent got a clue about football

 

 

Piennar has performed consistently well for 3 seasons Felli has done it for 3 or 4 games

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No he never Arteta had 7 assists to Piennars 9

 

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/team/squad?teamId=368&season=2007&cat=starts&cc=5739&leagueId=0

 

Anyway as I said in my last post I dont read too much into the stats because even if Piennar doesnt play the final ball he is invariably involved heavily somwhere in the move anyway

 

I am not having a pop but do you ever go to the game?

 

Thats not having a go I just find it hard to beleive that anybody can watch Everton and not appreciate what Piennar brings to the side

 

If you seriously think all he does is " just run around" then you really havent got a clue about football

 

 

Piennar has performed consistently well for 3 seasons Felli has done it for 3 or 4 games

 

assists wise sorry i was only considering league, which id rather do anyway.

 

the going to the game thing...never understood that, you see so much more on tele...but yeh i do, i'm in leeds but most of my mates are season ticket holders in the top balcony so i quite often get a ticket to go, and thats aside from the time when i actually come back for a few games.

 

frustrating, i've never questioned what pienaar does or have i said he just runs around, that was a response to your logic NOT a point of my own. i don't need to prove my case but i know that i know an awful lot about football and have watched numerous leagues for many years. nicely done on the high horse, aggressive you must know nothing about football, sorry martin tyler.

 

and your last point is completely irrelevant to the point in question, that i raised. id question whether hes really been consistent over 3 years, and i dont think he has, but it doesn't matter. you mentioned that you believed our recent 'good' form to coincide with pienaars return, to which i replied that i think it's more to do with fellaini running things in the centre...you've acknowledged his (fellis) good form over the last handful of games and only added support to my theory...i stand by it

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assists wise sorry i was only considering league, which id rather do anyway.

 

the going to the game thing...never understood that, you see so much more on tele...but yeh i do, i'm in leeds but most of my mates are season ticket holders in the top balcony so i quite often get a ticket to go, and thats aside from the time when i actually come back for a few games.

 

frustrating, i've never questioned what pienaar does or have i said he just runs around, that was a response to your logic NOT a point of my own. i don't need to prove my case but i know that i know an awful lot about football and have watched numerous leagues for many years. nicely done on the high horse, aggressive you must know nothing about football, sorry martin tyler.

 

and your last point is completely irrelevant to the point in question, that i raised. id question whether hes really been consistent over 3 years, and i dont think he has, but it doesn't matter. you mentioned that you believed our recent 'good' form to coincide with pienaars return, to which i replied that i think it's more to do with fellaini running things in the centre...you've acknowledged his (fellis) good form over the last handful of games and only added support to my theory...i stand by it

 

I wasnt getting on my high horse and as I said I wasnt trying to have a pop I was just trying to understand the logic behind your comments

 

How you can say my last point is irrelevant I dont know because I was under the impression we were debating Piennars value to the side, in which case his concitencey over the past 3 seasons is very relevant

 

You say that you have never questioned what Piennar does or said that he just runs around, well.....

 

"pienaar votes stun me, he was poor...again"

 

"he was absolutely awful"

 

" he's overrated. "

 

"he's been incapable"

 

"yesterday was the first time he's contributed either a goal or assist since the opening day of the season and yet people are still bummin him and desperate to tie him down and stuff...he's not earned a new deal at this point in my book."

 

"pienars still not as good as people say he is. if were considering running around to be effective lets bring back aj."

 

.... Im sure you can see where I got that impression!

 

I dont see how me acknowledgeing Felli has played well the past few games supports your theory it has never been about who is the better player between Felli and Piennar its about Piennar pure and simple

 

Felli has been superb in the last few games but in the 10 games or so that Piennar was missing we were hoofing the ball up the park and completely bypassing the midfield, Felli's form was as poor as anybodys during this spell, then Piennar returns and suddenly we start playing football again. IMO this is because Piennar buzzes all over the pitch always making himself available for the simple ball, he is the man who knits it all together

 

Felli has only come into form since Piennar has been back in the side

 

 

You say you know a lot about football yet you cant see that

 

I go and watch Everton home and away and I have only ever come accross three people who dont rate Piennar and they are all from this site, you, Milky and PeteO, so he must be doing something right

 

I also totally disagree with you about being able to see so much more watching football on the telly but thats another argument!

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Felli has been superb in the last few games but in the 10 games or so that Piennar was missing we were hoofing the ball up the park and completely bypassing the midfield, Felli's form was as poor as anybodys during this spell, then Piennar returns and suddenly we start playing football again. IMO this is because Piennar buzzes all over the pitch always making himself available for the simple ball, he is the man who knits it all together

 

Felli has only come into form since Piennar has been back in the side

 

this.

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I wasnt getting on my high horse and as I said I wasnt trying to have a pop I was just trying to understand the logic behind your comments

 

How you can say my last point is irrelevant I dont know because I was under the impression we were debating Piennars value to the side, in which case his concitencey over the past 3 seasons is very relevant

 

You say that you have never questioned what Piennar does or said that he just runs around, well.....

 

"pienaar votes stun me, he was poor...again"

 

"he was absolutely awful"

 

" he's overrated. "

 

"he's been incapable"

 

"yesterday was the first time he's contributed either a goal or assist since the opening day of the season and yet people are still bummin him and desperate to tie him down and stuff...he's not earned a new deal at this point in my book."

 

"pienars still not as good as people say he is. if were considering running around to be effective lets bring back aj."

 

.... Im sure you can see where I got that impression!

 

I dont see how me acknowledgeing Felli has played well the past few games supports your theory it has never been about who is the better player between Felli and Piennar its about Piennar pure and simple

 

Felli has been superb in the last few games but in the 10 games or so that Piennar was missing we were hoofing the ball up the park and completely bypassing the midfield, Felli's form was as poor as anybodys during this spell, then Piennar returns and suddenly we start playing football again. IMO this is because Piennar buzzes all over the pitch always making himself available for the simple ball, he is the man who knits it all together

 

Felli has only come into form since Piennar has been back in the side

 

 

You say you know a lot about football yet you cant see that

 

I go and watch Everton home and away and I have only ever come accross three people who dont rate Piennar and they are all from this site, you, Milky and PeteO, so he must be doing something right

 

I also totally disagree with you about being able to see so much more watching football on the telly but thats another argument!

 

I am becoming more of a fan of Pienaar the more I see him. I do think he's made a difference since he's returned but CraccerC does have a point about the votes Pienaar sometimes gets. For me he was man of the match v Burnley but I have seen him get MOTM on here in other games when he has just done a lot of running and looked busy but contributed little else. So youre both wrong (or right as the case may be).

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Felli and the Pieman both deserve great credit for their performances against Burnley but my vote goes to Heitinga's control of the middle was for me the performance of the day. He was cool in everything he did, his vision for creating from the back is superior to anyother player we have available at present, including Joey Yobo and I feel he will only improve from here on out. Felli was nearest to him with the Pieman third (Steven P lost the ball too many times and his choice of pass could have been better but no one on the face of this earth could say he wasn't an all commited EFC player...........never stops running, never stops trying and provides excellent cover when the full back goes forward

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I absolutely stunned that people can be criticising Pienaar! He has been the best player in our team for the last two years, especially at the end of last season. I wouldnt say the game against Burnley was his best by any means but he still worked his nuts off, helped Baines defensively, made plenty of runs to create space for others and he helps us get the ball down and play football. He may not have the finishing ability that some do BUT he does some much more than your average winger would do that it compensates this void.

 

Also another thing about the stats, dont forget that Arteta takes most of the free kicks and corners when he is in the team so his stats should be better and seeing that Pienaar is at least there or thereabouts says quite a bit about his impact on the team.

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I absolutely stunned that people can be criticising Pienaar! He has been the best player in our team for the last two years, especially at the end of last season. I wouldnt say the game against Burnley was his best by any means but he still worked his nuts off, helped Baines defensively, made plenty of runs to create space for others and he helps us get the ball down and play football. He may not have the finishing ability that some do BUT he does some much more than your average winger would do that it compensates this void.

 

Also another thing about the stats, dont forget that Arteta takes most of the free kicks and corners when he is in the team so his stats should be better and seeing that Pienaar is at least there or thereabouts says quite a bit about his impact on the team.

 

 

I agree.

 

If we signed Messi Im sure some Evertonians would complain and find fault with him!

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I agree.

 

If we signed Messi Im sure some Evertonians would complain and find fault with him!

 

can I link this as a Messi rumour? Pretty Please!

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I absolutely stunned that people can be criticising Pienaar! He has been the best player in our team for the last two years, especially at the end of last season. I wouldnt say the game against Burnley was his best by any means but he still worked his nuts off, helped Baines defensively, made plenty of runs to create space for others and he helps us get the ball down and play football. He may not have the finishing ability that some do BUT he does some much more than your average winger would do that it compensates this void.

 

Also another thing about the stats, dont forget that Arteta takes most of the free kicks and corners when he is in the team so his stats should be better and seeing that Pienaar is at least there or thereabouts says quite a bit about his impact on the team.

 

 

Hold on mate, I think you are being a tad hypersensitive here, I rated the Pieman on his display against Burnley, full stop, which in my opinion was fair and accurate. The vote was for MOM not player of the season :rolleyes:

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Hold on mate, I think you are being a tad hypersensitive here, I rated the Pieman on his display against Burnley, full stop, which in my opinion was fair and accurate. The vote was for MOM not player of the season :rolleyes:

 

 

lol I dont think he was referring to your post I think he probably meant CraccerC saying he doesnt deserve a new contract

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Hold on mate, I think you are being a tad hypersensitive here, I rated the Pieman on his display against Burnley, full stop, which in my opinion was fair and accurate. The vote was for MOM not player of the season :rolleyes:

 

 

lol I dont think he was referring to your post I think he probably meant CraccerC saying he doesnt deserve a new contract

 

Yeh what he said! lol

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I wasnt getting on my high horse and as I said I wasnt trying to have a pop I was just trying to understand the logic behind your comments

 

How you can say my last point is irrelevant I dont know because I was under the impression we were debating Piennars value to the side, in which case his concitencey over the past 3 seasons is very relevant

 

You say that you have never questioned what Piennar does or said that he just runs around, well.....

 

"pienaar votes stun me, he was poor...again"

 

"he was absolutely awful"

 

" he's overrated. "

 

"he's been incapable"

 

"yesterday was the first time he's contributed either a goal or assist since the opening day of the season and yet people are still bummin him and desperate to tie him down and stuff...he's not earned a new deal at this point in my book."

 

"pienars still not as good as people say he is. if were considering running around to be effective lets bring back aj."

 

.... Im sure you can see where I got that impression!

 

I dont see how me acknowledgeing Felli has played well the past few games supports your theory it has never been about who is the better player between Felli and Piennar its about Piennar pure and simple

 

Felli has been superb in the last few games but in the 10 games or so that Piennar was missing we were hoofing the ball up the park and completely bypassing the midfield, Felli's form was as poor as anybodys during this spell, then Piennar returns and suddenly we start playing football again. IMO this is because Piennar buzzes all over the pitch always making himself available for the simple ball, he is the man who knits it all together

 

Felli has only come into form since Piennar has been back in the side

 

 

You say you know a lot about football yet you cant see that

 

I go and watch Everton home and away and I have only ever come accross three people who dont rate Piennar and they are all from this site, you, Milky and PeteO, so he must be doing something right

 

I also totally disagree with you about being able to see so much more watching football on the telly but thats another argument!

 

i do see why you got that impression but what i meant by saying i appreciate what he does was that i appreciate the effort that he puts in and the affect he has on the side by being in it. i do standby the comments though, as much as i'h happy to see him put a shift in the end product hasn't been there and that's what he needs to be doing if we're going to be scoring goals. is that down to him or the other 9 outfield players? bit of both but his use of the ball has been poor this season IMO. i do think he's overrated but the comment about him being awful and incapable was solely intended as a reflection of this individual game. i do think he could contribute more though in general.

 

and i really don't think the overrated shout is too unfair, as maghull supported me on...to an extent. he's one of our better players, albeit because the rest of them can't keep the ball, but he doesn't actually provide the results that warrants some of the bumming he gets. in this game he scored a very good goal, but how often did he lose or waste a good chance to put in a decent ball or get a shot in? often! there's one that stands out particularly when we broke away and he sliced a cross over the bar from just outside the area, left of central...absolutely atrocious waste of possession and he did that on more than one occasion.

 

to jimmy: didn't mean to cause offense... everyone is entitled to their opinion, i was just trying to address mine and may have got a bit heated i nthe process. i just meant to question why he gets so many votes with only one moment of class versus about 70+ of wastefulness when other players like heitinga and fellaini put in a solid consistent performance for a majority of the match.

 

apologies all round.

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