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Has Moyes Taken Us As Far As He Can?

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imo he has

he has always had problems tactically,his use of subs is awful and his transfer dealings are slightly suspect.

I think he has done a very good job for us and will continue to do a good job but i want someone who can do a great job and bring us a trophy.

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His transfer dealings are mostly sound, the other two I agree with. He probably has taken us far as he can, but without serious investment then it's the same story for any one else as well. If we got that investment then Moyes would deserve the chance to show whether he's taken us far as he can or not.

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we're all fed up with last night's crapfest but let's be fair, he's been absolutely brilliant for us. Our cup form is NOT good enough, Moyes seriously needs to address this but in the league, I very much doubt there is another manager out there who could have achieved what Moyes has at Everton. He has worked miracles in the league, he has done brilliantly in the transfer market and he is building an excellent team, that when fit, can play fantastic football. We had a shocker last night and substitution wise he is suspect but let's not get carried away, if we replaced Moyes with anyone else I'd be seriously concerned about our future.

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i thought his substitution choices were pretty sound against Man Utd, and when we knocked Liverpool out of the FA cup last year!Speaking of which, we can't really lambast Moyes for being quetionable in the cup when we got to the FA cup final last year, and the Carling Cup semi the year previously. Last nights performance was a shocker, and lets hope it was a one off, but saying moyes as taken us as far as he can is ridiculous. Where would be in the league had we have had a full squad available to us at the start of the season?!

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i thought his substitution choices were pretty sound against Man Utd, and when we knocked Liverpool out of the FA cup last year!Speaking of which, we can't really lambast Moyes for being quetionable in the cup when we got to the FA cup final last year, and the Carling Cup semi the year previously. Last nights performance was a shocker, and lets hope it was a one off, but saying moyes as taken us as far as he can is ridiculous. Where would be in the league had we have had a full squad available to us at the start of the season?!

I hardly think one semi and one final in 8 years or whatever it is, is any great shakes. Did we beat anyone decent to reach the semi? Last year we beat the Man Utd youth team on penalties, and true we beat Liverpool. Apart from that, our cup form under Moyes has been pretty disastrous considering the players we have.

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lets be straight.

Im not saying moyes is bad but after 8 years he still seems to make the same mistakes,especially away in europe.

the romainian gypsies and fiorentina can be added to our pitiful showing last night and when you arsenal birmingham in the cup burnley away hull away to the list this season has been awful injuries or not

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I think the performance against Man U and Chelsea prove Moyes hasnt taken us as far as he can. The problem is that he doesnt seem to have a plan B. When things arent going according to plan he makes some really suspicious calls and most of them are way too late to have any real effect. Gradually his substitutions have improved as now they are more attacking but he really needs to make more definitive calls. Do you think a manager like Mourinho/Ferguson would have left Billy on for that long? I seriously doubt it.

 

Having said that I feel a part of the problem yesterday was the players. You could see him yelling at player to push up and get into their faces more but no-one stood up and took responsibility. Yes Moyes started too defensively and deep(like he has in all Euro games IMO) and he should have made sure someone stayed up top with Saha (oh and Osman man marking Moutinho everywhere). They were his fault. However the shocking defending, the inability to follow his shouts and the nature in which some of the players in this game was not his fault. No-one lead the team on the pitch (except maybe Jags when he came on) and it doesnt matter how good you are as a manager if your biggest players dont stand up and be counted in crunch games.

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Moyes can still do better, and do better with us.The draw at Arsenal, the Chelsea and Man Utd game are fairly good pointers.Last night was terrible, but to be fair Donovan and Bily didn't turn up Arteta was only just about there.....that's three players in the midfield who weren't up to a team intent on winning, our defence was weakened and midfield just them them straight through......Moyes fault, only partially....has he taken us as far as he can.....no!

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David Moyes is one of the best managers in the EPL. I think some fans think this is the matrix David Moyes becomes manager of Everton lets load him up with every tactic that's going. He's only 47 for god sake give the man a chance he is still inexperienced when you compare him with sir Alex or Arsene Wenger and how old are they.

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David Moyes is one of the best managers in the EPL. I think some fans think this is the matrix David Moyes becomes manager of Everton lets load him up with every tactic that's going. He's only 47 for god sake give the man a chance he is still inexperienced when you compare him with sir Alex or Arsene Wenger and how old are they.

he shouldn't be inexperienced after 8 years in management.

for me he makes the same mistakes over and over again

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Don't really think it's worth adding to this thread but I feel I've got to give my two-penneth.

 

This sums it up for me:

 

ok who would you bring in

 

Mark Hughes? Sven Goran Erikson? Avram Grant might be out of a job by the end of the season? I don't think Tony Adams has found a new job yet? Then there's Paul Ince who I'm sure would like another crack at the premiership. But wait none of these are better than Moyes, so lets create a list of Managers who are better than Moyes, well ok there are quite a few - Mourinho, Guardiola, Hiddink - Hmm, realistic!? not sure. Ok, so we need to narrow down the criteria: Managers who are better than Moyes, who we can afford to pay, and who can operate on tight transfer budgets. Honestly, I don't know who you would put on that list.

 

I can agree somewhat, that Moyes may have taken us as far as he can, but there's two things that you need to keep in mind - First, the glass ceiling outside the top four, which over the passed few seasons we've reached, and tapped on, and even fractured a little, something no other team, yet this century has managed to do. Secondly, the fact that we don't really have any money, and unless anyone wants us to end up like Pompy (on the brink of oblivion), I seriously hope we stay wisely within our means.

 

Moyes is by no means the best manager in the league, but we'll be hard pressed to find someone who can match him. To return to the question, "Has Moyes taken us as far as he can?" - in my opinion, maybe, at this moment in time. Who is it then that can take us further, well the answer to that is, as we all know, not 'who' but'what' - Investment.

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Don't really think it's worth adding to this thread but I feel I've got to give my two-penneth.

 

This sums it up for me:

 

 

 

Mark Hughes? Sven Goran Erikson? Avram Grant might be out of a job by the end of the season? I don't think Tony Adams has found a new job yet? Then there's Paul Ince who I'm sure would like another crack at the premiership. But wait none of these are better than Moyes, so lets create a list of Managers who are better than Moyes, well ok there are quite a few - Mourinho, Guardiola, Hiddink - Hmm, realistic!? not sure. Ok, so we need to narrow down the criteria: Managers who are better than Moyes, who we can afford to pay, and who can operate on tight transfer budgets. Honestly, I don't know who you would put on that list.

 

I can agree somewhat, that Moyes may have taken us as far as he can, but there's two things that you need to keep in mind - First, the glass ceiling outside the top four, which over the passed few seasons we've reached, and tapped on, and even fractured a little, something no other team, yet this century has managed to do. Secondly, the fact that we don't really have any money, and unless anyone wants us to end up like Pompy (on the brink of oblivion), I seriously hope we stay wisely within our means.

 

Moyes is by no means the best manager in the league, but we'll be hard pressed to find someone who can match him. To return to the question, "Has Moyes taken us as far as he can?" - in my opinion, maybe, at this moment in time. Who is it then that can take us further, well the answer to that is, as we all know, not 'who' but'what' - Investment.

 

agree on all points.

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I cant believe you guys are going against moyes. He has broken the top four, got us from relegation favorites to european regulars, and has done all this with limited fund. He has been fantastic in the league but the only thing that he needs to work on is cup competitions. Yesterday he was the greatest manager and everyone was chanting his name but now some of you think he should be sacked. Disgraceful.

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Yesterday he was the greatest manager and everyone was chanting his name but now some of you think he should be sacked. Disgraceful.

Some? One I think you'll find. And milky's always been a bit eccentric in his views (to put it politely).

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Moyes has not taken us as far as he can. He has taken us as far as ANYONE can. At least at the moment.

 

That said, his tactics in Europe may need looking at. The display against Lisbon was poor, very poor. We all know we are better than that.

 

Bily was pretty poor in the game and perhaps should not have been in the starting lineup. But who else could have been in from the kick off?

 

We do seem to have a lot of problems, but unfortunately not a lot of answers.

 

Realistically we need more and better players, and to get them we need more money.

 

Even with that in mind we must look at the financial situation of other clubs. Most of them are in debt to a greater or lesser extent than ourselves, and yet we are still doing ok.

 

I still can't see any reason to get rid of Moyes, but perhaps we could bring someone in to help in some way, especially in planning the European games.

 

Not sure it is too feasible to do this, but we need to try something.

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I still can't see any reason to get rid of Moyes, but perhaps we could bring someone in to help in some way, especially in planning the European games.

 

Not sure it is too feasible to do this, but we need to try something.

 

That doesn't sound like a bad idea in theory, not sure how or if it would work, but bringing in someone with a bit of European experience as I kind of 'consultant' could work, (as I say in theory).

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That doesn't sound like a bad idea in theory, not sure how or if it would work, but bringing in someone with a bit of European experience as I kind of 'consultant' could work, (as I say in theory).

Whether its europe or not football is football. Eleven aside its a simple game. Thursday was horrible and yes its frustrating that were not going further in competitons but we should all be thankful Davey is in charge of us. Christ knows where we would be without him.

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I cant beleive some ppl are questioning Moyes, hes the best thing to happen to us in the last 20 years. The number of times Ive been told by other team supporters that they think he is a brilliant manager and we are lucky to have him, as has been said, whats the alternative!?

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Moyes has been a great manager in the fact he has given us stability without being majorly funded. How many managers would achieve what he has done with the funding he has. He is praised readily and criticised readily, which I don't subscribe to. One day he will be a top class manager, and yes that means that he does make mistakes and will continue to do so, he is a defensive manager which many seem to be frustrated with, I think he is learning all the time. Has Moyes taken us as far as we can go? You need to look higher up the chain.

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Moyes has done a fantastic job for us. To say otherwise is fickle in the extreme.

 

i wouldn't disagree with that.

 

But managers and players sometimes go stale.

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imo he has

he has always had problems tactically,his use of subs is awful and his transfer dealings are slightly suspect.I think he has done a very good job for us and will continue to do a good job but i want someone who can do a great job and bring us a trophy.

 

 

MUPPET!

 

 

 

 

Cahill, Piennar, Arteta, Jags, Johnny H, Howard,Lescott,Baines,Donovan all signed for next to nothing and all now established top Premiership players I dont think his signings are suspect at all.

 

No manager in the history of the game has got every signing right and I think its fair to say Moysie gets the vast majority of his spot on

 

There is a reason why Moyse has been voted the LMAs Manager of the Year 3 times so put the glue down and give him a break

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MUPPET!

 

 

 

 

Cahill, Piennar, Arteta, Jags, Johnny H, Howard,Lescott,Baines,Donovan all signed for next to nothing and all now established top Premiership players I dont think his signings are suspect at all.

 

No manager in the history of the game has got every signing right and I think its fair to say Moysie gets the vast majority of his spot on

 

There is a reason why Moyse has been voted the LMAs Manager of the Year 3 times so put the glue down and give him a break

kroldrup vdm beattie would suggest he has bought a few doozies

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But his successed far outweigh his failures when you look at transfers.

unfortunately they don't did a list on diffennt forum and its not pleasant reading.

 

cahill pienaar arteta jagielka have all been great signings without a doubt but there have been a few terrible ones and i would put his transfer dealing at 50/50 which is quite a poor return.

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This would be my list....be interested to see yours :) .

 

Yobo, Arteta, Cahill, Lescott, Stubbs, Neville, Yakubu, Baines, Jagielka, Pienaar, Howard, Fellaini, Saha, Heitinga.

 

Wright (but Wenger made the same mistake), Kroldrup (got most of the money back), Davies (again recouped money), McFadden (made good profit though), Beattie (debatable, top scorer one year and again got most of the money back), Johnson (again debatable, didn't live up to hopes but we sold him on for a profit), VDM (fair cop).

 

Jury still out on some (Billy, Distin).

 

Those are his most significant signings I think (probably missed some)....record stands up against anyone for me.

 

Posted elsewhere but bears repeating...from The Guardian after the United game...

 

"This has been a transformation as comprehensive as Arsène Wenger's refashioning of the lingering George Graham era: eight years ago in Moyes's first game in charge he picked a midfield of Tony Hibbert, Lee Carsley, Scot Gemmill and Thomas Gravesen. On Saturday his midfield was made up entirely of neat, skilful ball-players, three of whom were 5ft 7in or under. Diniyar Bilyaletdinov, Steven Pienaar, Leon Osman and Mikel Arteta more than matched the visitors for invention. Add the injured Marouane Fellaini and Tim Cahill and Everton have arguably the best midfield in the country (perhaps behind only Chelsea)."

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Whether its europe or not football is football. Eleven aside its a simple game. Thursday was horrible and yes its frustrating that were not going further in competitons but we should all be thankful Davey is in charge of us. Christ knows where we would be without him.

 

I agree with the bit in bold (and the rest but thats not the subject of this reply :D ). If we had got in their faces, pressured the ball high up the pitch and made sure we didnt leave Saha isolated we would have ripped that Sporting team apart, as we would have with Liverpool and Birmingham. Instead we sat back, only pressed from well within our half and gave them the chance to play how they wanted and dominate (or at least control) the game.

 

I noticed in the 1st sporting game that we sat back quite a lot, especially after Cahill went off. I think Moyes has got it into his head that Everton should play the European way of sitting back, soaking up pressure and then trying to counter attack, or play slow possession at the back. This is what European teams are used to and therefore know how to play against. Players that are used to having time on the ball dont like being closed down (just look at most Euro imports to the EPL, they always take a while to adapt to the pace aka Billy!) and to not do that to foreign teams is criminal.

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This would be my list....be interested to see yours :) .

 

Yobo, Arteta, Cahill, Lescott, Stubbs, Neville, Yakubu, Baines, Jagielka, Pienaar, Howard, Fellaini, Saha, Heitinga.

 

Wright (but Wenger made the same mistake), Kroldrup (got most of the money back), Davies (again recouped money), McFadden (made good profit though), Beattie (debatable, top scorer one year and again got most of the money back), Johnson (again debatable, didn't live up to hopes but we sold him on for a profit), VDM (fair cop).

 

Jury still out on some (Billy, Distin).

 

Those are his most significant signings I think (probably missed some)....record stands up against anyone for me.

 

Posted elsewhere but bears repeating...from The Guardian after the United game...

 

"This has been a transformation as comprehensive as Arsène Wenger's refashioning of the lingering George Graham era: eight years ago in Moyes's first game in charge he picked a midfield of Tony Hibbert, Lee Carsley, Scot Gemmill and Thomas Gravesen. On Saturday his midfield was made up entirely of neat, skilful ball-players, three of whom were 5ft 7in or under. Diniyar Bilyaletdinov, Steven Pienaar, Leon Osman and Mikel Arteta more than matched the visitors for invention. Add the injured Marouane Fellaini and Tim Cahill and Everton have arguably the best midfield in the country (perhaps behind only Chelsea)."

 

agree with most of good transfers although felli has alot more to do to justify his 15mill fee

 

as for poor signings

 

li tie,li weifeng,beattie,vdm,davies,arnoux,jo twice,castillo,gardner,da silva,spencer,bosnar,kilbane,kroldrup,plessis,rodrigo,said,jeffers,mcfadden.

thats alot of shite in a short time.and i idn't put in wright or Johnson

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As I said there isnt a manager on the planet who has got every signing right

 

I did promise myself a while back that I would just ignore your posts but this thread is that ridiculous I couldnt help myself

 

just read the posts lots of people pointing out moyes weaknesses 1 fella wants him to get an assistant for euroopean games shows alot of faith that after 8 years in the job he needs an assistant

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agree with most of good transfers although felli has alot more to do to justify his 15mill fee

 

as for poor signings

 

li tie,li weifeng,beattie,vdm,davies,arnoux,jo twice,castillo,gardner,da silva,spencer,bosnar,kilbane,kroldrup,plessis,rodrigo,said,jeffers,mcfadden.

thats alot of shite in a short time.and i idn't put in wright or Johnson

 

Li tie, Beattie, Davies, Kilbane, McFadden, Wright and Johnson aren't shite, I'd say more like average!

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I think if we're going to look at Moyes' list of signings objectively we need to look at a few more things. First of all, loans should be kept separate from permanent transfers as they cost the club less (or nothing). Second of all we ought to include the price of each transfer as well as how much they were sold for (if applicable). Third, there needs to be a comparison between Moyes and another "top" manager...say Benitez, or Ferguson. I know for a fact Fergie has made a few really poor signings (see: Berbatov). The Waiter has clearly been worse in transfer dealings than Moyes (I think he has largely been worse at chosing who/when to sell than buy).

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li tie,li weifeng,beattie,vdm,davies,arnoux,jo twice,castillo,gardner,da silva,spencer,bosnar,kilbane,kroldrup,plessis,rodrigo,said,jeffers,mcfadden.

The Chinese cost us (effectively) nothing; Arnoux has never played so how can you judge (and cost nothing anyway); Jo we didn't buy; Castillo and Gardner were purely cover, never going to be first choices; Bosnar and da Silva were cheap (free?) punts that didn't pay off; Kilbane played more than 100 games and wasn't that bad; we didn't buy Jeffers; Plessis cost nothing; Rodrigo the same I think. Said? McFadden played more than 100 games for us, did a decent job at times and we made a 400% profit when we sold him on.

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I think if we're going to look at Moyes' list of signings objectively we need to look at a few more things. First of all, loans should be kept separate from permanent transfers as they cost the club less (or nothing). Second of all we ought to include the price of each transfer as well as how much they were sold for (if applicable). Third, there needs to be a comparison between Moyes and another "top" manager...say Benitez, or Ferguson. I know for a fact Fergie has made a few really poor signings (see: Berbatov). The Waiter has clearly been worse in transfer dealings than Moyes (I think he has largely been worse at chosing who/when to sell than buy).

no moyes has signed 23+ poop players in 8 years thats 3 a year

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Your definition of poor is quite strong. Keep in mind those poor players were all involved in games and dealings that, over the course of Moyes' 8 years, have brought us from relegation fodder to European regulars. Get your head checked.

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agree with most of good transfers although felli has alot more to do to justify his 15mill fee

 

as for poor signings

 

li tie,li weifeng,beattie,vdm,davies,arnoux,jo twice,castillo,gardner,da silva,spencer,bosnar,kilbane,kroldrup,plessis,rodrigo,said,jeffers,mcfadden.

thats alot of shite in a short time.and i idn't put in wright or Johnson

 

 

Your list just goes to show how clueless you are

 

Jo,Castillo, Jeffers and Gardener were only ever on loan so are hardly transfer disasters, Li Tie was quality until he got injured and we got him for buttons anyway Li Weifeng was part of the sponsorship deal with Kiejan

Rodrigo was also only here on loan and was tipped for big things until he got a serious knee injury after a couple of games and never recovered, hardly Moyse's fault

Kilbane was a success and helped the side tremendously early on but then as we improved he was shipped on so I would say he was a good signing

 

Spencer, Arnoux, Bosnar, Said and Plessis were all kids he picked up for buttons to take a look at again can hardly be described as transfer howlers

 

Mcfadden was sold for four times what we paid for him

 

AJ was signed for £8.5M and sold for £10.5M so again a profit and again I would say he was a success at the time

Beattie was tipped for the England World Cup squad when he finished top scorere for us in 2006 and we only lost £1.5M on him anyway

 

 

In his 8 years at Everton he has turned us from relegation fodder to regular European qualifiers and has actually made a profit in his transfer dealings during that time so get your head out of your arse and give him a break

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Your list just goes to show how clueless you are

 

Jo,Castillo, Jeffers and Gardener were only ever on loan so are hardly transfer disasters, Li Tie was quality until he got injured and we got him for buttons anyway Li Weifeng was part of the sponsorship deal with Kiejan

Rodrigo was also only here on loan and was tipped for big things until he got a serious knee injury after a couple of games and never recovered, hardly Moyse's fault

Kilbane was a success and helped the side tremendously early on but then as we improved he was shipped on so I would say he was a good signing

 

Spencer, Arnoux, Bosnar, Said and Plessis were all kids he picked up for buttons to take a look at again can hardly be described as transfer howlers

 

Mcfadden was sold for four times what we paid for him

 

AJ was signed for £8.5M and sold for £10.5M so again a profit and again I would say he was a success at the time

Beattie was tipped for the England World Cup squad when he finished top scorere for us in 2006 and we only lost £1.5M on him anyway

 

 

In his 8 years at Everton he has turned us from relegation fodder to regular European qualifiers and has actually made a profit in his transfer dealings during that time so get your head out of your arse and give him a break

 

i think you'llfind he spent about 30mill net and we won't be in europe next season.

so as i said he has been good but as he gone as far as he can

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30 mil net? In 8 years? That is buttons compared to ANY other club in the Prem. The fact is we're challenging for Europe every season. Even IF we don't make Europe this term, it is not because Moyes has taken us as far as he can...it is because we played the first half of the season with between 6-14 injuries. Get a clue. Next year, with all fit (or no more than 1 or 2 injuries) we should be challenging top 3-4.

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30 mil net? In 8 years? That is buttons compared to ANY other club in the Prem. The fact is we're challenging for Europe every season. Even IF we don't make Europe this term, it is not because Moyes has taken us as far as he can...it is because we played the first half of the season with between 6-14 injuries. Get a clue. Next year, with all fit (or no more than 1 or 2 injuries) we should be challenging top 3-4.

comeback next october and apologise for that if im wrong i'll apologise

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comeback next october and apologise for that if im wrong i'll apologise

Look at the number of teams who've spent similar or less who are now languishing in championship/league 1 even league 2.

To suggest he has taken us as far as he can on his budget is pathetic, the fact that he has taken us to a consistent top half finish is a miracle! if you really think we should sack Moyes and bring in another manager who will win us the league with no money then you are abviously a moron whose only experience of football is computer games or Roy of the Rovers. This whole thread should be deleted it's absolutely ridiculous!!

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Moyes paid next to nothing for the likes of Jags, Lescott, Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar and not to mention Saha ( shrewd business anyone?!!). All of the above are worth a hell of a lot more than we bought them for, so in that respect the ASSETS on our field are unbelievable compared to our outgoings. Not forgetting that Moyes has blooded in youth players that under other managers may have never had the chance ( Rooney,Rodwell,Anichebe,Vaughan,Gosling). take a look at the red Shite, when was the last time they brought in a player from their youth system?!! with the exception of the right back thats played a couple of european games this season, i cant think of any for the last 3-5 years ( i'll happily be corrected here. Instead they'Everton spent literally millions and millions on "prospects". Yet the youth players that moyes has brought in have become squad members capable of competing in this league.Clubs like Liverpool, Tottenham, Sunderland, Man Utd etc etc spend MILLIONS on bringing in youth players in the hope that they may one day become great players. Moyes has done what was needed, he brought in players that can perform NOW and let the youngsters be slowly integrated in the squad.

 

As for teams like ourselves that have been " knocking on the door" of the top four for a few seasons, take a look at what happened to Tottenham when they replaced Jol. Im sure that was because he'd " taken them as far as he could", yet the following two seasons were a disaster when he left. Another notable team is Newcastle. Bobby Robson maybe "took them as far as he could" and got replaced, you may have noticed they no longer feature in our league table!!

 

Im pretty sure that we are all in agreement, so this renders the thread a bit pointless. Although it has been quite nice to sit down and admire Moyes' good work ( and yes, ponder on his downfalls..which are few and are far between in comparison).

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Moyes paid next to nothing for the likes of Jags, Lescott, Cahill, Arteta, Pienaar and not to mention Saha ( shrewd business anyone?!!). All of the above are worth a hell of a lot more than we bought them for, so in that respect the ASSETS on our field are unbelievable compared to our outgoings. Not forgetting that Moyes has blooded in youth players that under other managers may have never had the chance ( Rooney,Rodwell,Anichebe,Vaughan,Gosling). take a look at the red Shite, when was the last time they brought in a player from their youth system?!! with the exception of the right back thats played a couple of european games this season, i cant think of any for the last 3-5 years ( i'll happily be corrected here. Instead they'Everton spent literally millions and millions on "prospects". Yet the youth players that moyes has brought in have become squad members capable of competing in this league.Clubs like Liverpool, Tottenham, Sunderland, Man Utd etc etc spend MILLIONS on bringing in youth players in the hope that they may one day become great players. Moyes has done what was needed, he brought in players that can perform NOW and let the youngsters be slowly integrated in the squad.

 

As for teams like ourselves that have been " knocking on the door" of the top four for a few seasons, take a look at what happened to Tottenham when they replaced Jol. Im sure that was because he'd " taken them as far as he could", yet the following two seasons were a disaster when he left. Another notable team is Newcastle. Bobby Robson maybe "took them as far as he could" and got replaced, you may have noticed they no longer feature in our league table!!

 

Im pretty sure that we are all in agreement, so this renders the thread a bit pointless. Although it has been quite nice to sit down and admire Moyes' good work ( and yes, ponder on his downfalls..which are few and are far between in comparison).

 

This is the main point I think, when you change managers, those managers want to bring in their own players, get players to play in different systems and/or positions. There's always a transition period and it always costs money; none of which are we abundantly endowed with. Additionally, one of the main reasons for our success has been the stability of not changing managers every time something seems to not be going our way.

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Additionally, one of the main reasons for our success has been the stability of not changing managers every time something seems to not be going our way.

 

THIS.

 

 

#1 Reason I am a supporter of Bill Kenwright.

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Milky is of course entitled to his opinion - it's just a case that his opinion is a minority one.

 

I pray to God that he never wins big on the Euro Millions and buys the club as you would be a nightmare Chairman!

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Milky is of course entitled to his opinion - it's just a case that his opinion is a minority one.

 

I pray to God that he never wins big on the Euro Millions and buys the club as you would be a nightmare Chairman!

 

I just thank God, that he wasn't chairman around the time Kendall was struggling in the early 80's.

 

Just think a lucky scrappy win on Thursday, and we wouldn't be having this pretty stupid conversation.

 

His need to bring up signings from years back show his determination to stick the knife in.

 

When Moyes took over his first task was to get Everton out of a rut, keep them away from the bottom end of the table.....I'd say he's done just that, then a pretty much impossible task.....try and break into the top 4, with what we have to spend....WELL he only went and did just that!...Then Davey Moyes, can you, with a very small squad and not much money keep us up the top end, not much hope but have a go!... a couple of 5th's and such like, kinda was as much as we could hope for really.

 

Just lately, a cup semi against Chelsea and a cup final against the same....and we always seem to have bloody injuries!

 

THIS season......the worst injury crisis yet, on top of our poor start because of this and maybe the Lescott problem, WE NOW have lost our form player Fellaini for the rest of the season, Cahills injured and Arteta and Jags are hardly up and running.We are trying to bed in a difficult Russian and an on loan Donovan....

 

.....Give the man (Moyes) a fuc%ing break!

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i don't think i have evr said he should be sacked rather that he should consider his position.

 

Why should he consider his position, when his full squad is available he's made us the best team outside the big money boys....and were even starting to beat them.

 

OH!......Sure this season's slightly off target, but then we all know about injuries..

.....well except maybe you :blink:

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No offense meant Milky, but your opinions (which you are as entitled to as any of us) seem to be totally different to everyone else.

 

Do you think therefore you may be wrong?

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No offense meant Milky, but your opinions (which you are as entitled to as any of us) seem to be totally different to everyone else.

 

Do you think therefore you may be wrong?

 

 

As it is my opinion i can't be wrong.

 

and also if you look back through this thread alot ofpeople actually agree with my points about his tactical naievity his use of substitutions and his lack of belief in his squad.

 

we still haven't beaten a top four team away from home during his 8 year reign which is appalling.

 

I am not denying he has done avery good job for us but question if he has the motivational skills to drag us any further.

 

Lets not also forget he has been given the funds to purchase record signings most years including a 15million pound signing.

Not many other teams have spent that on one player.

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Milky take a look at Moysies transfer dealings and explain to me in what way are they suspect

 

 

TRANSFERS IN

 

Yobo £5M

Li Tie £450k

li Wei Feng loan

Rodrigo £1.5M

McBride loan

Said loan

Jeffers loan

Martyn free

Mcfadden £1.25M

Kilbane £1M

Bent £450k

Cahill £1.5M

Bosnar free

Beattie £6M

Plessis free

Ruddy £250k

Davies £4M

Kroldrup £5M

Arteta £2M

Neville £3.5M

Ferrari loan

AVM £1.5M

Stubbs free

Westerveld loan

Spencer unisclosed

AJ £8.6M

Lescott £5M

Da Silva free

Fernandes loan

Lukas Jut £1M

Jags £4M

Baines £5M

Wessels free

Yak £11.25M

Tommy G loan

Gosling £1M

Piennar £2.05M

Jacobsen free

Castillo loan

Saha free

Nash free

Felli £15M

Jo loan

Coleman nominal fee

Mustafi nominal fee

Bily £10M

Distin £5M

Niell free

Donovan loan

Senderos loan

 

 

TRANSFERS OUT

 

Niell £1M

Lescott £24M

AJ £10.5M

Mcfadden £6M

Beattie £4M

Naysmith £1M

Kroldrup £3.4M

Bent £2.5M

Chadwick £250k

Tommy G £3.5M

Rooney £30M

Clarke £150k

Linderoth £1M

Radzinski £1.75M

Pembridge £750k

Davies £2M

Hughes £400k

 

 

That works out at total spent £101.56M and total received £92.7M

 

So in other words Moysie has "blown" a huge £8.86M since he has been in charge and all he has to show for it is changing us from relegation fodder to European regulars!

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As it is my opinion i can't be wrong.

 

 

That's rubbish. Opinions can very much be wrong. Your opinion goes contrary to all present evidence. It, therefor, is wrong.

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As it is my opinion i can't be wrong.

 

 

 

Of course you can - I'm colour blind and in my opinion the sky is green.

 

That's not right, the sky is blue. However much I argue the sky maybe green to me, the fact of the matter is it is blue and I'm wrong!

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