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And Ryan Shawcross :mellow: .

 

 

And why shouldn't he be? It wasn't like he did it on purpose so I don't see why his good form should be forgotten. I've only seen the incident once and in real time but it didn't even look that bad a challenge.

 

 

Well done to Baines, I hope he actually gets some game time.

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And why shouldn't he be?

No reason. I was surprised he got called up....nothing to do with the tackle.

 

I've not watched it at all (and won't) but from everyone's reaction, Wenger aside, seems it was totally accidental.

 

I think Leighton will start :) .

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Really? Apart from being a bit dodgy with marking at corners (i.e. man handling, rather than actually marking) I've thought he's looked good.

I rarely comment on the technical abilities of even our defenders and I'm quite happy to admit that I know very little about the art of defending....was always up the other end of the pitch when I played because I tended to be a liability in our own half :unsure: .

 

I know if I have confidence in our defenders when I watch but why is pretty much a mystery to me. I know even less about other teams defenders.

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(i.e. man handling, rather than actually marking)

 

That happens an awful lot, depends how tight the referees will be on it at international level - I remember against Sunderland on Kenwyn Jones, it was almost beyond a joke how much he got away with it.

If he were to play at the WC I've no doubt he'll give a penalty away for that exact offence. I'd call it a liability.

 

But as you said, at times he can be a good, quality defender. Just needs to sort that aspect of his game out imo.

 

Edit: Oh, and - Congratulations to Baines, I would personally (as an Everton follower or as a neutral) pick him above Bridge anyway. At least he's in the squad for whatever other reasons there may have been, I hope he gets some game time - make 18 and then much more caps!

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Very well deserved, I think hes been our most consistant player this season. Not only is he a real threat going forward and a quality wingman in terms of his crossing ability, he is a sound defender. I really didnt know what all the fuss about Bridge was about when Leighton was due a call up anyway!!

 

I'm a big fan of Warnock, I thought we should have snapped him up when he was getting fed up at being on the bench for the sh!te (maybe I should take over Moyes eh Milky ;)). I think Leighton does shade it though, hes a more complete LB in my opinion and is probably a little better when it comes to deliveries into the box.

 

Well done Bainsey, keep it up!

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Very well deserved, I think hes been our most consistant player this season. Not only is he a real threat going forward and a quality wingman in terms of his crossing ability, he is a sound defender. I really didnt know what all the fuss about Bridge was about when Leighton was due a call up anyway!!

 

I'm a big fan of Warnock, I thought we should have snapped him up when he was getting fed up at being on the bench for the sh!te (maybe I should take over Moyes eh Milky ;)). I think Leighton does shade it though, hes a more complete LB in my opinion and is probably a little better when it comes to deliveries into the box.

 

Well done Bainsey, keep it up!

 

interesting. will be keeping an eye on you feela i sense big things could be happening soon.

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I have to disagree with his verdict not with blue tinted glasses either, Baines is a more like for like replacement to Cole with pace and delivery well at times his delivery can be frustrating but i would still say he's more polished then Warnock not by much but still slightly.

 

Also slightly off topic but looking at that team Dixon has put out i would make a few changes to it i would much rather have Carlton Cole ahead of Heskey any day of the week if we want a hold up man as Heskey for me has never really warranted a place as he's pretty shit to be fair and Cole has more to his game, Also rather see someone like Michael Dawson get a shot ahead of Upson who again for me isn't good enough internationally and Dawson has had a good season so far and has done a good job as Spurs captain.

Also not keen on Brown to much of a liability at times but not much other choice really old rat feature's Gary is far and beyond past it the only other option who to be fair seems to be on the right track again and looks like he is improving is Richards, I would also have Hart between the sticks as he's been the best performing English keeper this season.

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He gets the start...

 

Green, Brown, Upson, Terry, Baines, Walcott, Lampard, Barry, Gerrard, Rooney, Defoe.

 

Don't know if that means he's ahead on Warnock or whether they're going to get 45mins each and he just gets to go first.

 

Half time will tell.

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Played the full ninety....didn't expect that.

 

Did OK after a slightly iffy start.

 

Was a good win for England in the end, Egypt are no mugs and have had a lot of time together with the ACN :) .

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the boy did well.

as for egypt they are a decent side but you could see that it meant more to usand turned into typical away friendly performance.

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Didn't get much opportunity to go forward because he had Gerrard infront of him on the left who was never going to give him support and he should probably stop taking set-pieces for England because they were woeful (just like they've been for us), but he looked solid defensively. Nicely done Leighton.

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I thought he did well last night, was hoping he'd get a start and a good run out, but getting the full 90 minutes is fantastic for Bainesy. I thought he put in a solid performance, a bit reserved maybe but I don't think he's done himself any kind of disservice. His delivery was a bit inconsistent, a bit like it is with us, but he got a bit lucky with some of his crosses, with one eventually finding Wright-Phillips to fire in.

I think with one or two more games, to get him more settled, he'd may do well. Well done Bainsey lad!

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Egypt are no mugs, infact they would test most teams.That wasn't an easy debut for Baines as he surely knew a couple of mistakes and that would be his lot!

 

Pressure, that's what Leighton had last night and he did pretty dam well.

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Didn't get much opportunity to go forward because he had Gerrard infront of him on the left who was never going to give him support and he should probably stop taking set-pieces for England because they were woeful (just like they've been for us), but he looked solid defensively. Nicely done Leighton.

 

 

first corner was a cracker we almost scored from...second was played to gerrard at near post almost scored from...3rd was a free kick that was shit granted...that was it i think bit harsh to say woeful

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He didnt do much wrong, but he didnt shower himself in glory either.

 

We know he can do better, his first start at Wembley has got to be pretty daunting but he came through unscathed in my opinion.

 

I think he will go to the world cup, hes the best option for the LB slot, he just needs to be a bit more attacking minded. Who knows though, he might have been asked to play a little more defensive?

 

(Great defensive header in the first half though, well done Bainsey :))

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Yeah i thought he done well yesterday, and his set pieces as marco says wernt that bad romey

 

I was just made up to see one of our players get the recognition he has deserved in getting the full 90 last night, i hardly watched the match because everytime baines came intot he picture int he slightest way, i would be watching his every move haha

 

There was a point in the 2nd half were he drifted in towards the box as it was played in, only for crouch to go for the big overhead kick and divert the ball, it was about to land on leightons toes, that woulda been special if it had of done and he put it away haha

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first corner was a cracker we almost scored from...second was played to gerrard at near post almost scored from...3rd was a free kick that was shit granted...that was it i think bit harsh to say woeful

 

Yeh I agree! TBH I have seen delivery from England players to be a lot worse than that, with the likes of Becks, Gerrard and Lampard failing to beat the 1st man repeatedly.

 

For the most part his corners and crossing was spot on and as the article says he had to put up with Gerrard wandering all over the place meaning at times he was 3 vs 1! He was able to do a lot more when Milner played down the left and I thought they linked up well.

 

Having said that I also rate Warnock and my worry about Leighton would be his height which could be exploited by some teams. But as already stated on here he is probably the most rounded LB available and Id definately have him ahead of Bridge who I have is a player that is for the majority crap, but then has a couple of good games.

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his height is an issue but i cant think of many tall fullbacks really and you dont get a mass of tall wingers nowadays! there was a really good clearing header he impressively managed to get to before the forward if i remember correctly

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He has to be going to the World Cup, just read this in the Echo:

 

PLAYERS who can score goals have become the single most expensive commodity in European football.

 

You only need to hear the stellar price tags stuck on footballers like Cristiano Ronaldo, Fernando Torres and Wayne Rooney to realise that goal-scorers are viewed as footballs true VIPs.

 

But what of those who create them? Very few strikers will regularly create a goal from nothing.

 

The top sides rely on skilful artisans in midfield who can cross a ball on a sixpence or producer the killer pass which unleashed their centre forward through on goal.

 

They too are essential. Yet, when a team is blessed with a defender who can turn producer on a prolific basis, they truly are worth their weight in gold.

 

Step forward Leighton Baines who, with nine assists and counting, is ahead of Chelsea's Florent Malouda and Liverpool's Steven Gerrard in the creator stakes.

 

Baines, 25, has the most assists of any defender in the Premier League, and feels that creating goals is almost as personally rewarding as scoring, a knack he also possesses, not least from his well-executed free-kicks.

 

"An assist is almost as good for me as scoring a goal. It's a bonus," he says.

 

"I'm a defender and my job is to help the team that way, but I love to get forward and contribute as well."

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didn't realise he had that many assists to be honest! he's amongst the top left backs in the world for me and i honestly can only think of a handful better! he has had a great couple of years and at 25 not even in his prime yet! donovan said baines should be player of the year and its hard to argue really..

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ok maybe more than a handful i may have got carried away there! cole is better in my opinion i dont think he is overrated at all...i think evra is overrated and i'm struggling beyond them two who would be considered by the majority to be better than baines in the prem! and then look around europe you got players like zambrotta, chivu, lahm, maxwell and maybe abidal..im struggling beyond them myself but maybe some of the more clued up members can add some in there cos my european football knowledge isnt amazing

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will have milner infront of him too and he's a grafter so might give him more help than gerrard did last time! give baines more of a chance to show what he can do :D

 

second thoughts milner might not be on the wing lookin at the formation they just displayed

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dunno about that Marco but hes better than that twat Cole. He is so unbelievably overrated...

 

disagree, best left-back in the world IMO...baines is good, but he's nowhere near as good as ashley cole...no chance

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disagree, best left-back in the world IMO...baines is good, but he's nowhere near as good as ashley cole...no chance

 

Easily the best lb in world but because he's english, english people won't recognise that.

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Baines wasnt as good tonight as in his previous game, he was beaten on numerous occasions. Felt for him because again he didnt get the cover that walcott (even he tracked back) offered on the right hand side. Think he will still go to the world cup however i would expect better, if he played like that in the royal blue i wouldnt be happy.

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made one mistake of note and that is all i can remember really...most the attacks went down the middle from what i saw..granted only had 1 eye on it though

What happened to the other one Marco? :rolleyes:

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I thought he was pretty poor tbh, but he wasn't the only one (as usual with England). How Carrick plays for England is a joke. Walcott's another one - I don't think I've ever seen someone so classily run into opposition players with such consistency :P.

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dunno about that Marco but hes better than that twat Cole. He is so unbelievably overrated...

 

 

Hes only one of the best full backs in the world........ so he must be crap if you say so....

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What happened to the other one Marco? :rolleyes:

 

always one ain't there :lol:

 

he's obviously cemented as the number 2 now at left back anyways seeing as warnock didn't get a game..

 

agree with romey about carrick..he's dogshit..gave the ball away so many times yesterday with simple passes! beyond me aswell why he is playing for england

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always one ain't there :lol:

 

he's obviously cemented as the number 2 now at left back anyways seeing as warnock didn't get a game..

 

agree with romey about carrick..he's dogshit..gave the ball away so many times yesterday with simple passes! beyond me aswell why he is playing for england

 

Because Warnock will play on Sunday perhaps...........

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I thought Baines was unlucky to be honest. He had no protection from Gerrard who was suppose to be playing left mid. Baines had to deal with both the winger and the full back. I was a little disappointed he didnt try to get forward more but then again you dont know if he was told not to?

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Cole, as Craccer says is arguably the best LB in the world. Baines was poor yday but as Smith said, only because the lack of protection from whoever(!?!) was on the left and playing against that standard of opposition, you need both parties (Def & Mid) to pull their weight and track back.

 

Baines had to deal with not only the forward but one other player nearly everytime. Admittingly he got skinned, twice, on a one-one but still doesn't excuse someone not doing their job.

 

Carrick is shite. Whats happened to him? Have you noticed though, alot of the team who played yday do not start for their respective clubs?

 

Crouch. Carrick. Walcott...

 

and others who have barely played this end of the season (injury): Ferdinand, J.Cole, Lennon.

 

Then you look at teams like Spain whose players who have played consistantly all season, at the highest level and start 99% of the time.

 

Bad isn't it

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I thought Walcott did well, getting back to help Johnson, I suppose you can fault his final ball/decision making but he gets into the dangerous areas where he can put a good ball in, have a shot or win a freekick.

 

Saying that Aaron Lennon also looked dangerous when he came on, whether that was to do with the oppositions tired legs, who knows.

 

Defending Baines because of lack of cover is all well and good, but he made a couple of mistakes which could have been costly. Still the right choice for #2 left-back but I doubt he'll see a game in SA unless Cole gets injured.

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Cole, as Craccer says is arguably the best LB in the world. Baines was poor yday but as Smith said, only because the lack of protection from whoever(!?!) was on the left and playing against that standard of opposition, you need both parties (Def & Mid) to pull their weight and track back.

 

Baines had to deal with not only the forward but one other player nearly everytime. Admittingly he got skinned, twice, on a one-one but still doesn't excuse someone not doing their job.

 

Carrick is shite. Whats happened to him? Have you noticed though, alot of the team who played yday do not start for their respective clubs?

 

Crouch. Carrick. Walcott...

 

and others who have barely played this end of the season (injury): Ferdinand, J.Cole, Lennon.

 

Then you look at teams like Spain whose players who have played consistantly all season, at the highest level and start 99% of the time.

 

Bad isn't it

 

 

am i only the person who thinks he's always been shite? :blink: mate of mine says he has gone downhill since joinin utd but for me he just isn't good enough! he was ok at spurs in a much poorer side than they have now imo!

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Nope, I'm with you on that all the way.

 

mate of mine is a man u fan and loves him...really does baffle me i don't get it! he's slow...can't really tackle and does 1 good pass a game! johnny does more than that in 5 mins!

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