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Ok so you look at gerrard at liverpool.

barry at villa, tevez at city fabregas at arsenal.

Terry at chelsea. even murphy at fulham and delap at stoke.

 

All these players play different positions and not all are captains.

 

which of our players do you see as the most important to everton and who do you think other clubs think is our most important player.

 

based on the last 3 years I think most people would have said arteta/cahill. I think it changes season on season I think jags last season was our most important player this season I think it's stevie P.

 

I think people outside the club would say cahill although I think phil Neville has been at times.

 

bit rambled but there you go.

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Ok so you look at gerrard at liverpool.

barry at villa, tevez at city fabregas at arsenal.

Terry at chelsea. even murphy at fulham and delap at stoke.

 

Barry is at City.

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haha sarcy bastard!

 

you forgot rooney at united by the way memma! possibly the most important player to any team right now..he is in my opinion anyways! id also argue torres is more important than gerrard to liverpool too cos gerrard doesn't seem to have it anymore

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Over the course of the past few seasons, Arteta and Cahill without a doubt.

 

But neither of them have been as pivotal this season - Arteta coz of injury and Cahill coz his forms been a bit up and down. Perhaps that's why we're not seriously challenging for fourth!

 

I think what this season has shown is that when really needed, we've got a few who can stand up and be counted, and that's a good position to be in, you shouldn't rely on just one or two players. John H has held us together defensively and has had an immense first season, Baines and Pienaar have really stood out for consistency and reliability, and I think Fellaini's form from November to when he got injured was what helped us turn the season round, he looked an absolute superstar.

 

Saying that, most of the names on Memmas list are players who either score or create 20 goals a season year in, year out. Maybe that's what we need to add (or what we've missed with Arteta and Cahill not being so prominent). Personally I still think we're short up front, Saha and Yak aren't consistent enough, if we had a striker who you just knew was gonna bang in 20-30 goals a season, we'd be a real force to be reckoned with

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Name a striker in the prem or in europe currently who would guarentee 20 goals + a season who wouldn't cost 20 mil+

 

I can't, just saying its probably the missing piece in the jigsaw. Gotta be some hidden gems out there somewhere though... <_<

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Name a striker in the prem or in europe currently who would guarentee 20 goals + a season who wouldn't cost 20 mil+

Darren Bent springs to mind... But since strikers are only guarenteed to deliver 20+ a season if they get the service its all relative. Anelka is a prime example of that.

 

Anyway, i want to say Arteta but this season its been Peanuts but a country mile.

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:lol: It is Arteta...look how we've played without him in the squad for the last two weeks, breaking teams down has been a nightmare!

Fair point, but look at the beginning of the season and that run of 4 games scoring 13 and conceding none. then the portsmouth game, pienaar goes off injured results that followed: win, draw, draw, loss, loss, loss, draw, loss, win, loss, loss, loss.... he was back for those last 2 losses i think but wasnt 100%. But 2 games later and we were drawing against the top teams and winning.

 

Arteta hasnt done enough this season to warrent the title. Previous seasons no doubt, but not this year.

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Fair point, but look at the beginning of the season and that run of 4 games scoring 13 and conceding none. then the portsmouth game, pienaar goes off injured results that followed: win, draw, draw, loss, loss, loss, draw, loss, win, loss, loss, loss.... he was back for those last 2 losses i think but wasnt 100%. But 2 games later and we were drawing against the top teams and winning.

 

Arteta hasnt done enough this season to warrent the title. Previous seasons no doubt, but not this year.

 

Spidey, I dont think the thread is taking seasonal form into account and im definitely not talking about this season, im looking at the whole squad irrelevant of form.

 

Say every player is in top top form, who would be a more important addition, Arteta or Pienaar? Which player would other teams take on top form?

 

IMO Arteta can be unplayable, creates, chases, set peice takings, he has it all. Pienaar no doubt is a quality player and very very important to Everton, i do love Stevie but out of the two, Arteta would be the most important to us. Similar to the Liverpool saga with Alonso, Arteta going would have the same impact, i do agree that Stevie had to carry the creativity torch alot this season and he's had a blinder but again, overall....Its the best little spaniard we know.

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Spidey, I dont think the thread is taking seasonal form into account and im definitely not talking about this season, im looking at the whole squad irrelevant of form.

 

Say every player is in top top form, who would be a more important addition, Arteta or Pienaar? Which player would other teams take on top form?

 

IMO Arteta can be unplayable, creates, chases, set peice takings, he has it all. Pienaar no doubt is a quality player and very very important to Everton, i do love Stevie but out of the two, Arteta would be the most important to us. Similar to the Liverpool saga with Alonso, Arteta going would have the same impact, i do agree that Stevie had to carry the creativity torch alot this season and he's had a blinder but again, overall....Its the best little spaniard we know.

 

how about a compromise Ten. if we say this season its Pienaar. If for the last 5 years, Arteta. Pienaar has all the qualities you mentioned i think the thing that seperates them both is Artetas vision.

 

Shout outs too for Howard (imagine his replacement playing most of the season!). Skippy must be mentioned, little Ossie, Jags, Baines.

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Arteta without a doubt. Although I suspect by next year I might be making a case for Fellaini.

 

the thing here is they're different players but i think i know what you mean. i know everyone in the 11 is different but what im geting at is they're in a similar role but with different responsibilities. if they play side by side, i could see them being on a par, fellaini being the most important in terms of preventing attacks and arteta for creating. unlike say heitinga who is important due to being a rock at the back, you mighnt consider him for the most important player i nthe team because of his all round contribution. artet's so important because he dictates the place and almsot everything goes through him, fellaini though could be the same only he's breaking things down and then passing it on to mikel. either way, it's an exciting though, the 2 of them together in the middle could be fantastic!

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how about a compromise Ten. if we say this season its Pienaar. If for the last 5 years, Arteta. Pienaar has all the qualities you mentioned i think the thing that seperates them both is Artetas vision.

 

Shout outs too for Howard (imagine his replacement playing most of the season!). Skippy must be mentioned, little Ossie, Jags, Baines.

 

There's your answer :P Yeh i get what you're saying dude, no question, it was only because the thread was about Evertons important player. So i argued that Arteta is more important. simples. haha

 

Piennar has been one of (if not) our best player this season, no doubt! No compromise, i will admit that :)

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I agree with nogs for the most part in that I dont really think we have a most important player. For example would we have missed Arteta as much if Felli had been playing? Or whether Cahill and Saha had been dropped for Rodwell and The Yak?

 

I certainly agree Arteta is a very influential player but we have a lot, and providing the balance of the team is right then they can all step up. I think its a toss up between him, Pienaar, Felli, Heitinga and Jags (when fully fit).

 

I also think what Romey says is very true about Cahill being our most important player in other teams fans eyes and it just shows you how much they know, to an extent. Back in the day we needed his ability to work hard, hassle and get in the box and pop up with a goal. Now Everton have adapted and do actually on occasions try to play football, he isnt really that influential in most games. However, I also bet if you asked which player any opposition defender they would least like to face then I bet he is probably top of the list!

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Pienaar and Arteta for us i think it shows when Mikel was out how bad we were when Peanuts was injured too. Pienaar is so underated its untrue, he would walk into any of the top fours teams.

 

underrated by others yes, but definitely not by everton fans.

 

and he wouldn't get near chelsea's team and i'm not sure about arsenal

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underrated by others yes, but definitely not by everton fans.

 

and he wouldn't get near chelsea's team and i'm not sure about arsenal

Are you mad? wouldn't get near Chelsa's team? He is a better player than cole, Ballack, Mikel hands down. Malouda is outstanding at present but if Pienaar had Drogba or Anelka to supply he would prove just as effective. As for Arsenal he is a better player than Nasri, Walcott, Rosicky by a long shot.

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Are you mad? wouldn't get near Chelsa's team? He is a better player than cole, Ballack, Mikel hands down. Malouda is outstanding at present but if Pienaar had Drogba or Anelka to supply he would prove just as effective. As for Arsenal he is a better player than Nasri, Walcott, Rosicky by a long shot.

 

ballack and mikel are centre midfielders, whilst pienaar may naturally play there he hasn't much i nthe prem, ontop of that mikel is a defensive midfielder and im pretty sure pienaar would be useless there.

 

as for cole, a fit joe cole i think is as good if not better than pienaar and malouda is a much better player.

 

as for arsenal, nasri > pienaar. in terms of their alround game nasri is a better passer with better vision and is more of a goal threat, he doesn't work as hard as pienaar but he's a better footballer. walcott the judge is out on but i accept your point for the time being. rosicky the same, he's been injured too much in england so i'd say pienaar was better there as well.

 

as he's playedo n the left for us i was implying that he wouldn't play on the left for either of them, in arsenals case they may well move him to the right but that would have to be considered he wouldn't just 'walk in'. malouda is just better, zhirkov looks a good player as well, so i don't think chelsea haveroom on the left

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Its Tim Cahill. Any half smart fan can see this. Clear as daylight. Arteta is good, but hes not a finished match winning product. Well not consistently enough, as Tim has been over the past few seasons.

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Its Tim Cahill. Any half smart fan can see this. Clear as daylight. Arteta is good, but hes not a finished match winning product. Well not consistently enough, as Tim has been over the past few seasons.

 

would have to say that any half smart fan would say cahill wasn't, if it wasn't for his goals he'd be useless as he's an average footballer. ontop of that, he's not been consistently good for over a season, so seens as the title isnt evertons most important player 2 years ago, i'd have to disagree

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Its Tim Cahill. Any half smart fan can see this. Clear as daylight. Arteta is good, but hes not a finished match winning product. Well not consistently enough, as Tim has been over the past few seasons.

im going home, will leave the others to correct this silly statement....

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Its Tim Cahill. Any half smart fan can see this. Clear as daylight. Arteta is good, but hes not a finished match winning product. Well not consistently enough, as Tim has been over the past few seasons.

 

OMG he's back, back again...oh how the good times roll...*Cracks his knuckles* So let me get this straight you (EvertonToffees) are claiming Cahill is Evertons most important player and that anyone who disagrees is a half smart fan? Well that would be a Goodison Park filled stadium full of half smart fans, we love being thick as shit because what we know and how we decide who the most important player at Everton is; is usually down to first hand observations on performances. You are probably one of those who doesnt regularly watch the games first hand, I on the other hand do and i can tell you straight up (only to echo what Craccer's said) bar his goals, technically; Cahill really isnt that briliant andhis all round game is average. Don't get me wrong Cahill has th grit, determination and 'bullying' ability that helps the Everton team win alot of games...however he rarely puts a beauiful curveasious ball into the box, rarely puts a through ball in so accurate I could shot a pea off of your bellend and thirdly cannot score with his feet ;)

 

So if you want to argue this point...feel free but if you want one of the other guys on here to break down the different aspects in comparison of both Arteta and Cahill, as complete footballers, im sure one of them will :)

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surely EvertonToffees has a point!

 

The question was who is Evertons most important player.....not who is Evertons best player.Cahill may not have been at his best this season, and he's missed chuncks of others with injuries (not really his fault), but consistantly over the past few seasons whilst in his favoured position and the right striker he has probably been our most important player as so much revolved around what he did and how he played.

 

Sure away from his best position he's not that great, but Arteta and Pienaar both play better in certain positions as do most players.

 

Most recently, our last match infact Cahill proved to be our most important player, some might say not our best and that might be true, but he WAS the most important player on the night, pushed only by Howard.

 

Over the last five years (sure he's had his dips in form, who hasn't), but he's right up there with Arteta, Pienaar and Jagielka.Out of those four I'd say at the moment Pienaar is the best player, going on form recently, but Most important!.....when in the right position and on form, maybe that's Cahill.

 

Take him away from behind the striker and revert him to a midfield role and his importance to the team disappears.

 

Evertons most "important" player.....was always going to be difficult question to answer.

 

Not a huge surprise who EvertonToffes thought fitted the bill!....but maybe he's not too far out.

 

Unless his overall form improves and he stays lucky with injuries then he surly wont be in the running for that title much longer.With possibly Fellaini coming in with a shout alongside Arteta and Piennar.

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must agree as much as toffees irritates a million shades of shite out of me you can't just ignore what he is saying on this one...you said cahill wins games for us with his grit and that and also he is useless apart from his goals? he chases back runs around and makes a pest of himself and scores some vital goals...a beautiful curvaceous ball into the box is no good without someone on the end of it ;) i think there are cases for arteta and cahill but you cant just throw toffees opinion away like that even though he was a bit of a c u next tuesday about it :lol: as said above..most important not the best! cahill is in the bottom 10% of players in the league easily on technical ability etc...but he has that thing about him that cannot be taught he just knows where to be and also the way he times his headers i have never seen anyone better in the air..not even big dunc! im torn between arteta and cahill both bring summat massively important to this team and can both win matches as i have said earlier in this thread...as for pienaar he is great and i love him but he isn't a match winner and we struggle more without arteta rather than pienaar

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Arteta. I love timmy, but IF I had to choose only one of them Mikky is the clear choice. Timmy can score and sure as hell makes the other defense worry a lot, but he can't create the sort of play Mikky can.

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Ok point taken. But one question:

 

When on top top form, and only able to choose one - Cahill? or Arteta?

 

as i said i cant choose...arteta will make you the chances but cahill will score them...can we not breed them and i will choose the offspring :lol:

 

i mean look at the blackburn game we look so much better with arteta in that team i dont think that is a question but cahill gets 15 or so a season from midfield an amount arteta wont ever get even with pens and free kicks...its just too close for me to call as they are too different and both as important id say...

 

TONY HIBBERT FTW! :lol:

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10-15 i meant to say. he is on 12 this season and ok maybe i am placing the bar high but he seems to change between 1 in 3 games and 1 in 4 games season by season so 15 is very possible...using that is there another midfielder we have that can do that over a season? maybe arteta with his free kicks and penalties yeah but i am talking about from set pieces being crossed in etc..i think he is just as important over a season as arteta is and we would miss his goals, not just the amount but the importance too!

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i'm still not sure i mean could we find someone else in that midfield to score 10-15 a season?

 

and yes i know arteta scores aswell but not as many as cahill and not the same type of goals..

 

 

I think Arteta is more important because he scores as well as creates, whereas Cahill is pretty useless unless he's scoring.

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I respect your opinion dude, i wasnt questioning that, i completely agree with what you say about Cahill, i love Cahill. But in terms of importance i think Arteta shades it...and using someones argument before about ability not defining the most important player. On that argument, Phil Neville has bought exceptional leadership qualities to our team and helps keep the squad focused, is that then more important? Or what about Howard, if he ever got injured, we'd been fecked lol

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