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Yobo, Neville, Hibbert, Distin, Jagielka.. Out!

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Anybody else think we should get rid of our entire back four except bainse?

If eveton are ever going to play the type of football we all want to see, and the only type of fooball that might actually win something, surely we need rid of the players incapable of playin that way. We have seen this year that we are capable of beating anyone, but only when we tried to play football the right way. We have also seen what happens when we dont try and play,see our latest early exit from europe and our early season form, when admittedly ravished by injuries made no attempt to play fooball and got exactly what they deserved, nothing.

Nobody wins anything playing percentage football and giving the ball away the way we have done this year and what makes it even more frustrating is we have tne players that can play fooball and win games but our defence lets us down badly by giving the ball away constantly.

 

Neville: Finished, never really started in my opinion

 

Hibbert: Championship player at best

 

Yobo: Brainless kicker

 

Distin: Similar player to yobo (see above)

 

Jagielka: Onlyone with a case to stay but purely on derby form last year, not the sae player imo, and a consistent hoofer

 

We could probably fetch around 20 mil for all these players and i'm sure moyes could find a quality footballing center half and a right back for that. posibly even a right winger too, he just needs to decide what type of football we are gonna play next year. its no good having a midfield and strikers who can play if our defence aRe constantly lumping balls into the crowd.

 

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So sell 5 players to buy 2,maybe 3? I'll not even touch the other blatantly obvious reasons you're off the mark. Our squad can only afford additions.

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Our boys are on fire, welcome to TT! They say during an interview they either like you or hate you within the first 23 seconds? well...i think this topic has just nailed on the latter.

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Some great one word responses there, from people who are obviously happy with with neville, hibbert, yobo and co. in the same team and whose expectations are so low they will never be dissappointed.

And yes I would rather have three quality players than 5 average ones any day of the week, and use some of the good young players we are developing as backup. Jags is the only one that would comand a decent fee and in my opinion could be replaced.

We're not gonna have the money to improve the squad without selling but obviously some of you would rather just hang on to players for the sake of having numbers.

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Some great one word responses there, from people who are obviously happy with with neville, hibbert, yobo and co. in the same team and whose expectations are so low they will never be dissappointed.

And yes I would rather have three quality players than 5 average ones any day of the week, and use some of the good young players we are developing as backup. Jags is the only one that would comand a decent fee and in my opinion could be replaced.

 

:lol::lol:

 

Replace Jagielka :lol:

 

Oh my my.

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Getting better thats about 3 words

 

Actually it's 5, but don't worry, you're not alone. Over 7 million adults in the United Kingdom can't count

 

Have you heard of the Government's 'Train To Gain' initiative? That might help you make the step-up that you need.

 

Don't worry, we'll be waiting here for you. I know that it's tough, but that first step is often the hardest.

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Getting better thats about 3 words

Look mate, Jags is cleary a top player...he's an international for pete's sake.

In terms of his current form; he's just recovered from an injury that's had him out for a good part the past year. Not everyone can come back from an injury like that and starting playing like they were pre-injury.

I suspect if Arteta wasn't playing as good as he is now that you'd be saying we should drop him as well?

 

You're taking the piss mate.

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Some great one word responses there, from people who are obviously happy with with neville, hibbert, yobo and co. in the same team and whose expectations are so low they will never be dissappointed.

And yes I would rather have three quality players than 5 average ones any day of the week, and use some of the good young players we are developing as backup. Jags is the only one that would comand a decent fee and in my opinion could be replaced.We're not gonna have the money to improve the squad without selling but obviously some of you would rather just hang on to players for the sake of having numbers.

 

You just contradicted yourself right there. First you're sying Jags is the only one who will command a decent fee right? Then you're saying we have to sell before we buy, ok i get that.

 

But that means your saying that Distin, Neville, Hibbert, Yobo aren't going to command a good fee, am i right so far??

 

So how in god's name are you going to bring in 3 top quality defenders based on those 4 sales???

 

Lets say Hibbert would go for £2m aswell as Neville. Yobo could go for anything between £6m-£8m and Distin around £4m.

 

£2m + £2m + £6m + £4m = £14m total.

 

You will have to spend that on ONE top drawer defender (That you think we need) now a days, someone who would be better than say the quality that Jags already has.

 

Lets call it £10m-12m for each quality player, you want to construct a backline that would cost at least £30m to build. Thats a spend of £16m and we're losing 2 squad players.

 

Thats mental, not smart. Not realistic. We (Everton) have to work with a tight budget, so that as an option is absolutely rediculous!

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Getting better thats about 3 words

 

about?

A word is a single unit of language that can be represented in writing or speech. In English, a word has a space on either side of it when it is written.

 

there were 2 posts in this thread with one word 'embarassing' and 'idiot'. this one here is 5 words 'replace' 'jagielka' 'oh' and 'my' x2. with a couple of sexy emoticons.

 

either way 5 > 3. this is because simple numeracy dictates that when counting, upwards, 4 follows and is greater than 3 and 5 is greater than 4 and so on.

 

so basically, you know little about football (you want to sell jags?) and you know little about numbers...my conclusion, you're 3 years old and should probably ask next time you want to use the internet

 

 

damn the irish guy beat me to it...and provided a link, i bow to the superior owning, although i did add a definition in there.

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I would definately risk losing 2 squad players if it meant our starting back four was improved.

Wehave duffy, rodwell, heitinga, coleman, who could fill in if it were needed we dont neeed that many options in defence as if people stayed fit it wouldn't change all season

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I would definately risk losing 2 squad players if it meant our starting back four was improved.

Wehave duffy, rodwell, heitinga, coleman, who could fill in if it were needed we dont neeed that many options in defence as if people stayed fit it wouldn't change all season

 

 

You say it like they got injured on purpose. There are no guarantees with injuries, we have to have cover.

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about?

A word is a single unit of language that can be represented in writing or speech. In English, a word has a space on either side of it when it is written.

 

there were 2 posts in this thread with one word 'embarassing' and 'idiot'. this one here is 5 words 'replace' 'jagielka' 'oh' and 'my' x2. with a couple of sexy emoticons.

 

either way 5 > 3. this is because simple numeracy dictates that when counting, upwards, 4 follows and is greater than 3 and 5 is greater than 4 and so on.

 

so basically, you know little about football (you want to sell jags?) and you know little about numbers...my conclusion, you're 3 years old and should probably ask next time you want to use the internet

 

 

damn the irish guy beat me to it...and provided a link, i bow to the superior owning, although i did add a definition in there.

Your obviously quite the funny man.

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I would definately risk losing 2 squad players if it meant our starting back four was improved.

Wehave duffy, rodwell, heitinga, coleman, who could fill in if it were needed we dont neeed that many options in defence as if people stayed fit it wouldn't change all season

 

1st Bold: Yeah respect that and agree

 

2nd Bold: Did you see us at the start of the season!? It won't happen, people will get injured...idont remember the last time we had a fully fit squad to choose from for more than one week? In an ideal world dude, we would all like top quality player but...and its a big but....we ARE SKINT.

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You say it like they got injured on purpose. There are no guarantees with injuries, we have to have cover.

Im saying we should have a quality back 4 because it wont be changed around much if people stay fit instead of lots of average players

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Im saying we should have a quality back 4 because it wont be changed around much if people stay fit instead of lots of average players

 

 

And I'm saying people might not stay fit, so we have to have plans in place for if we do get injuries, i.e. a squad.

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And I'm saying people might not stay fit, so we have to have plans in place for if we do get injuries, i.e. a squad.

Last year was an exceptional season for injuries, we're not gonna have that many again unless very unlucky, and i'd still much rather play duffy and coleman instead of yobo/distin and neville/hibbert.

 

Like u said we nee money we have to sell!!

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But you're talking about selling our best defender, which makes me think you're a bit of a clown. Yes, Jags does hoof it a bit much, and yes it does piss me off, but he's a cracking defender and I love watching him defend. As long as he has a ball player next time (Heitinga) then there's no problem.

 

You can't disrupt the defence that much all in one go, that would have a detrimental impact on the side as a whole. Get rid of one this summer (Yobo or Distin). Neville won't be sold, he'll stay here til he retires, and no one in their right mind would come in for Hibbert.

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This thread has certainly made me chuckle...

 

Seeing as you clearly know who you want to get rid of do you have a plan for the players you want to replace Neville, Hibbert, Distin and Yobo for about the £15 mil you could probably sell them for?

 

Sol Campbell is on a free I guess... In fact fuck it lets just use Stubbsy as back up incase one of our selfish players decides to go and get himself injured again!

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Last year was an exceptional season for injuries, we're not gonna have that many again unless very unlucky, and i'd still much rather play duffy and coleman instead of yobo/distin and neville/hibbert.

 

Like u said we nee money we have to sell!!

 

thought it was quite shit myself :lol:

 

 

honestly though we don't have the money and rodwell is not a cb..coleman will be great at rb next year if he gets his chance..as for distin yobo heitinga and jags i personally am happy with any of those 4 playing..if we get rid of 5 players bring in 2 or 3 or whatever it is you want and 2 of those get injured what do we do then genius?

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But you're talking about selling our best defender, which makes me think you're a bit of a clown. Yes, Jags does hoof it a bit much, and yes it does piss me off, but he's a cracking defender and I love watching him defend. As long as he has a ball player next time (Heitinga) then there's no problem.

 

You can't disrupt the defence that much all in one go, that would have a detrimental impact on the side as a whole. Get rid of one this summer (Yobo or Distin). Neville won't be sold, he'll stay here til he retires, and no one in their right mind would come in for Hibbert.

 

I'm not saying what will happen i'm putting forward a point of view. ie. what i would like to see happen. I'm well awarte that we're stuck with neville hibbert etc but we should try and sell them along with yobo and distin, buy quality, and use the rest of the squad. Our first choice back 4 should be priority.

I think jags is replaceable with the money we would get for him with money to spare, someone like shawcross of stoke maybe, and his form has been nothing short of shocking since he came back!

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I'm not saying what will happen i'm putting forward a point of view. ie. what i would like to see happen. I'm well awarte that we're stuck with neville hibbert etc but we should try and sell them along with yobo and distin, buy quality, and use the rest of the squad. Our first choice back 4 should be priority.

I think jags is replaceable with the money we would get for him with money to spare, someone like shawcross of stoke maybe, and his form has been nothing short of shocking since he came back!

 

give him a chance for crying out loud, he was out for how long? we were defending that badly he's been thrown in at the deepend with new and often changing partners at the back. judge him next season after a pre-season and time to gel with a long-term partner ...hopefully JH

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But you're talking about selling our best defender, which makes me think you're a bit of a clown. Yes, Jags does hoof it a bit much, and yes it does piss me off, but he's a cracking defender and I love watching him defend. As long as he has a ball player next time (Heitinga) then there's no problem.

 

You can't disrupt the defence that much all in one go, that would have a detrimental impact on the side as a whole. Get rid of one this summer (Yobo or Distin). Neville won't be sold, he'll stay here til he retires, and no one in their right mind would come in for Hibbert.

 

I'm not saying what will happen i'm putting forward a point of view. ie. what i would like to see happen. I'm well awarte that we're stuck with neville hibbert etc but we should try and sell them along with yobo and distin, buy quality, and use the rest of the squad. Our first choice back 4 should be priority.

I think jags is replaceable with the money we would get for him with money to spare, someone like shawcross of stoke maybe, and his form has been nothing short of shocking since he came back!

 

 

What you would like to happen simply won't, so accept that before you give yourself a complex.

 

If you're aware that we're stuck with Hibbert and Neville there's no point trying to sell them because no one will bloody want them! Yobo and Distin I agree with, but only one of them should go and it looks like it'll be Yobo. Our first choice back 4 of Coleman Jags Heitinga Baines would be a top quality defence, are you blind?

 

Yes Jags' form has been a bit suspect since he's come back but I think he deserves a bit of a leeway seeing as he had such a serious injury and missed a large amount of football and then was thrown straight back in. You're dreaming if you think we'd be able to sell Jags and then get Shawcross in with change to spare, Shawcross would cost upwards of £10million!

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give him a chance for crying out loud, he was out for how long? we were defending that badly he's been thrown in at the deepend with new and often changing partners at the back. judge him next season after a pre-season and time to gel with a long-term partner ...hopefully JH

 

Here here...Heitinga and Jags partnership is getting me excited already. More so than Mark in a mankini ;)

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In fact fuck it lets just use Stubbsy as back up incase one of our selfish players decides to go and get himself injured again!

 

 

wouldnt mind stubbsy coming back! :lol:

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ame='kennyw10' date='03 May 2010 - 13:23' timestamp='1272889411' post='208350']

 

 

 

What you would like to happen simply won't, so accept that before you give yourself a complex.

 

If you're aware that we're stuck with Hibbert and Neville there's no point trying to sell them because no one will bloody want them! Yobo and Distin I agree with, but only one of them should go and it looks like it'll be Yobo. Our first choice back 4 of Coleman Jags Heitinga Baines would be a top quality defence, are you blind?

 

Yes Jags' form has been a bit suspect since he's come back but I think he deserves a bit of a leeway seeing as he had such a serious injury and missed a large amount of football and then was thrown straight back in. You're dreaming if you think we'd be able to sell Jags and then get Shawcross in with change to spare, Shawcross would cost upwards of £10million!

If that is our back four next year and evryone stays fit,what does moyes do with yobo,distin,neville,and hibbert put 4 defenders on the bench? They should be offfloaded and replaced with 2 quality players. onuoha off city would be good cover all across the back 4

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If that is our back four next year and evryone stays fit,what does moyes do with yobo,distin,neville,and hibbert put 4 defenders on the bench? They should be offfloaded and replaced with 2 quality players. onuoha off city would be good cover all across the back 4

 

 

It may have escaped your attention but we play with 2 CB's yes, so we need 2 CB's as cover (Distin and Yobo, or the replacement we bring in if we get rid of one of them). Hibbert would be our cover at RB and Neville would be our cover DM.

 

Get this into your head and you'll be fine; it's a squad game.

 

Onouha would be good cover all across the back 4 but he can't play 2 positions at once, so if we had more than one injury in our back line we'd be fucked. We have to cover for numerous eventualities, even if they never happen.

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If that is our back four next year and evryone stays fit,what does moyes do with yobo,distin,neville,and hibbert put 4 defenders on the bench? They should be offfloaded and replaced with 2 quality players. onuoha off city would be good cover all across the back 4

 

neville is club captain and a good leader and person you want in the dressing room at the ver least

hibbert is everton through and through and a quality back-up option. you wouldn't get much for him sofor the sake of the squad might as well keep him.

distin is the only left footed centre half at the club and can provide cover at left back.

yobo is probably first choice replacement that provides pace which may be useful against certain opponents.

 

that said, yobo is the only one of those that you could get decent money for, so i'd accept that he may be expendable, but it would need to be reinvested.

 

coleman is just learning, he needs older heads around him still though.

 

so basically, yobo is the only person i would consider selling, but i'd want another defender in if we did still. steven taylor or ned would do nicely to play right back or centre half.

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It may have escaped your attention but we play with 2 CB's yes, so we need 2 CB's as cover (Distin and Yobo, or the replacement we bring in if we get rid of one of them). Hibbert would be our cover at RB and Neville would be our cover DM.

 

Get this into your head and you'll be fine; it's a squad game.

 

Onouha would be good cover all across the back 4 but he can't play 2 positions at once, so if we had more than one injury in our back line we'd be fucked. We have to cover for numerous eventualities, even if they never happen.

Like i said previously its a risk i'd be willing to take cosidering we have duffy heitinga rodwell etc. that could cover different positions if needed, your obviously happy with the quality we have at the moment, i'm not. I think if we improved our defence and added a winger we have the makings of a great side, but we're not goin to win anything or qualify for champions league playing percentage football.

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neville is club captain and a good leader and person you want in the dressing room at the ver least

hibbert is everton through and through and a quality back-up option. you wouldn't get much for him sofor the sake of the squad might as well keep him.

distin is the only left footed centre half at the club and can provide cover at left back.

yobo is probably first choice replacement that provides pace which may be useful against certain opponents.

 

that said, yobo is the only one of those that you could get decent money for, so i'd accept that he may be expendable, but it would need to be reinvested.

 

coleman is just learning, he needs older heads around him still though.

 

so basically, yobo is the only person i would consider selling, but i'd want another defender in if we did still. steven taylor or ned would do nicely to play right back or centre half.

Neville could do the same job from the line and hibbert will play next year instead of coleman if we keep him for the sake of it

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We're not going to win anything or qualify for the Champions League without a squad either!

 

You don't want to rely on Duffy having to come in if one of our senior players gets injured, that's insane. He needs to go out on loan to get experience. When we've had to play youngsters due to injuries it hasn't gone well for us, look at the start of last season! And I would never want Rodwell in defence after watching him in pre-season.

 

We have high quality in our starting 11 at the moment (other than the right wing), if you can't see that then there's something wrong with you. Where we suffer is with our squad, and you want to make that squad smaller. Madness.

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