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We're not going to win anything or qualify for the Champions League without a squad either!

 

You don't want to rely on Duffy having to come in if one of our senior players gets injured, that's insane. He needs to go out on loan to get experience. When we've had to play youngsters due to injuries it hasn't gone well for us, look at the start of last season! And I would never want Rodwell in defence after watching him in pre-season.

 

We have high quality in our starting 11 at the moment (other than the right wing), if you can't see that then there's something wrong with you. Where we suffer is with our squad, and you want to make that squad smaller. Madness.

I want to make the squad better and if necessary smaller by one or two

and i'd rather have duffy as back up than yobo or distin any day, he will be a full international next season and looks like a proper footballer with a brain!

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I want to make the squad better and if necessary smaller by one or two

 

If what you wanted happened the squad would be weaker, not better.

 

I've already said I agree with Distin and Yobo, both of them could be sold, but only one at a time. Then bring a replacement in, Onouha would definitely improve things, and do it without making the squad smaller. We don't need wholesale changes, we need tweaks.

 

But the rest is just stupid.

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Neville could do the same job from the line and hibbert will play next year instead of coleman if we keep him for the sake of it

 

but he isn't retiring and we won't get anything for him so it isn't an option. as for hibbert, he will play if he's better and as one of the best defenders at the club that is likely against certain opponents. should coleman progress and become as good as we think he still wouldn't likelyp lay every game because of injury, the learning experience (dont wanna burn him out) and the opposition. he's an attacking fullback, would you want coleman to mark nani for example? i'd feel safer with hibbert there, would i want hibbert at fullback at home to wolves though? definitely not.

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I want to make the squad better and if necessary smaller by one or two

and i'd rather have duffy as back up than yobo or distin any day, he will be a full international next season and looks like a proper footballer with a brain!

 

 

And yet, you seem not to have one yourself.

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And yet, you seem not to have one yourself.

Why do you feel the need to insult me? I live and breathe everton, and am just putting forward a point of view. Just because i,m not saying how wonderful we all are i'm an idiot?

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Why do you feel the need to insult me? I live and breathe everton, and am just putting forward a point of view. Just because i,m not saying how wonderful we all are i'm an idiot?

 

:lol:

 

I've got no problem with you not thinking Everton are wonderful. Once you've been here a little while you'll realise I don't think we're all wonderful either.

 

What you're suggesting is unneccesary. You don't completely dismantle a defence like that all in one go. Like we've always done, we do it bit by bit. Not only do we have to do it that way but that's the way that makes sense. Moyes may be a tactical retard but he knows how to put a team together.

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Why do you feel the need to insult me? I live and breathe everton, and am just putting forward a point of view. Just because i,m not saying how wonderful we all are i'm an idiot?

 

that's not the case at all...duffy is inexperienced and jsut because he plays international football doesn't make him a premiership player.

 

you're acting like we can sell all these players for a mil or whatever and buy the sergio ramos and whatever in place. fact of the matter is, we're not getting 10 million for these players, and we're unlikely to be able to replace them with quality...other than maybe yobo who we could get a decent sum for

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that's not the case at all...duffy is inexperienced and jsut because he plays international football doesn't make him a premiership player.

 

you're acting like we can sell all these players for a mil or whatever and buy the sergio ramos and whatever in place. fact of the matter is, we're not getting 10 million for these players, and we're unlikely to be able to replace them with quality...other than maybe yobo who we could get a decent sum for

The fact is even at 18 hes better than yobo and distin, and i'm only talking about using him as cover for someone we buy instead of yobo and distin

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The fact is even at 18 hes better than yobo and distin, and i'm only talking about using him as cover for someone we buy instead of yobo and distin

 

and you wonder why people have referred to you being brainless or made fun of you? how many games has duffy featured in at the top level? so how an you possibly tell me he's already better than the vastly experienced and proven yobo and distin? ridiculous comment that mate

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and you wonder why people have referred to you being brainless or made fun of you? how many games has duffy featured in at the top level? so how an you possibly tell me he's already better than the vastly experienced and proven yobo and distin? ridiculous comment that mate

So you think we should sell and yobo and keep distin as cover for jags/heitinga. We paid 5 million for distin last year thats good business for a club with no money. I'm only talking about dufy as 4th choice center half. Just because your vastly experienced your good enough are u? Maybe we should go for sol cambell then?

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I think you're being a bit harsh to Distin, he's put in some class defensive performances recently!

Filled a gap but not good enough, for me anyway, although it seems most people are in favour of keeping average players for the sake of it or for sentimental value

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So you think we should sell and yobo and keep distin as cover for jags/heitinga. We paid 5 million for distin last year thats good business for a club with no money. I'm only talking about dufy as 4th choice center half. Just because your vastly experienced your good enough are u? Maybe we should go for sol cambell then?

 

no, i didn't suggest that, i suggested that duffy has never played at the top level to prove he is worth of being considered better than yobo or distin, it's pretty fucking simple mate.

 

we paid over the odds out of deperation, i don't think he was worth 5 million. we wouldn't get that for distin now, there's not that much point in selling him because he'd needto be replaced and you won't get a prem defender that's ready for 2.5 or whatever. theres only senderos that i can think of that would come cheap but he's no replacement for distin because he's nto left footed and can't cover left back in emergency.

 

i'd probably sell yobo yes, because he's not first team and we could get a decent wedge to strengthen the team, would go a long way to signing landycakes, a right back, a left back, a centre half...whatever moyes wants

 

also has nothing to do with sentiment, it's really basic stuff. you can't buy a 10 million player with 2 million. in otherwords, you cant sell distin and buy shawcross, it's not fantasy football.

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no, i didn't suggest that, i suggested that duffy has never played at the top level to prove he is worth of being considered better than yobo or distin, it's pretty fucking simple mate.

 

we paid over the odds out of deperation, i don't think he was worth 5 million. we wouldn't get that for distin now, there's not that much point in selling him because he'd needto be replaced and you won't get a prem defender that's ready for 2.5 or whatever. theres only senderos that i can think of that would come cheap but he's no replacement for distin because he's nto left footed and can't cover left back in emergency.

 

i'd probably sell yobo yes, because he's not first team and we could get a decent wedge to strengthen the team, would go a long way to signing landycakes, a right back, a left back, a centre half...whatever moyes wants

 

also has nothing to do with sentiment, it's really basic stuff. you can't buy a 10 million player with 2 million. in otherwords, you cant sell distin and buy shawcross, it's not fantasy football.

You could sell yobo and distin and buy him though, and vastly improve the quality of the squad if not the numbers.

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we don't have the numbers at the back to let 2 go and 1 in...it is that simple..and on a side note personally i think heitinga and jags are too small a partnership to play together..and is ryan shawcross really that good? can't say i have seen him play that much but 10mill seems a lot for him if that is what is being touted

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we don't have the numbers at the back to let 2 go and 1 in...it is that simple..and on a side note personally i think heitinga and jags are too small a partnership to play together..and is ryan shawcross really that good? can't say i have seen him play that much but 10mill seems a lot for him if that is what is being touted

I think we prob would also need one more defender onuoha would be perfect as he can play anywhere across the back and would mean we dont need the numbers that some people think are essential, use whatever we could get for hibbo plus transfer kitty

 

Shawcross nearly made it into the england squad before he minced ramsey, and is in a different league to yobo/distin

 

Its all about quality not excesssive numbers of average players

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I think we prob would also need one more defender onuoha would be perfect as he can play anywhere across the back and would mean we dont need the numbers that some people think are essential, use whatever we could get for hibbo plus transfer kitty

 

Shawcross nearly made it into the england squad before he minced ramsey, and is in a different league to yobo/distin

 

Its all about quality not excesssive numbers of average players

 

as has been proven this year, squads are what you need in a league format. we sold lescott and kept our best centre half in jags...we've added heitinga who's been quality and baines is a very good fullback. the only problem is right back.

 

i've said it already you won't get a readily proven quality player for 2 million or whatever you may get for distin, i'm bored of saying it. if you told me i could sell hibbert and buy onuoha i'd do it, if you told me if i sold distin i could get leo messi, i'd do that to...but you can't do that, that's not how it works.

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as has been proven this year, squads are what you need in a league format. we sold lescott and kept our best centre half in jags...we've added heitinga who's been quality and baines is a very good fullback. the only problem is right back.

 

i've said it already you won't get a readily proven quality player for 2 million or whatever you may get for distin, i'm bored of saying it. if you told me i could sell hibbert and buy onuoha i'd do it, if you told me if i sold distin i could get leo messi, i'd do that to...but you can't do that, that's not how it works.

Yobo and Distin = Shawcross

 

Hibbert plus 2 mil = onouha

 

who said anything about messi

 

And what we need is quality not an extra body or two just in case

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Yobo and Distin = Shawcross

 

Hibbert plus 2 mil = onouha

 

who said anything about messi

 

And what we need is quality not an extra body or two just in case

 

 

You just don't get it do you? You will not get the equivalent of Shawcross for Yobo and Distin, it just won't happen.

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You just don't get it do you? You will not get the equivalent of Shawcross for Yobo and Distin, it just won't happen.

And you know this as fact?

 

Shawcross is valued at about 10 mil max.

 

Yobo would fetch about 5/6 and distin 3/4

 

whats so unbelievable about that

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And you know this as fact?

 

Shawcross is valued at about 10 mil max.

 

Yobo would fetch about 5/6 and distin 3/4

 

whats so unbelievable about that

 

you're basing that onthe assumption that stoke will sell and that we can and will sell yobo and distin. who would pay 4 mil for distin? probably noone. you're also assuming that the money and transfer payments happen to equate. what if stoke want money upfront? and we can only sell distin and yobo for monthly payments? what about wages and signing on bonuses. there's a lot of negotiation that goes into these sort of things, it's not just here's 5 million, kthnxbye

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And you know this as fact?

 

Shawcross is valued at about 10 mil max.

 

Yobo would fetch about 5/6 and distin 3/4

 

whats so unbelievable about that

 

 

And you know this as fact? ;)

 

Shawcross will be above £10million, which is why he'll be going nowhere.

 

Yobo you're probably right in your estimation, but you won't get that much for Distin, not a chance.

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you're basing that onthe assumption that stoke will sell and that we can and will sell yobo and distin. who would pay 4 mil for distin? probably noone. you're also assuming that the money and transfer payments happen to equate. what if stoke want money upfront? and we can only sell distin and yobo for monthly payments? what about wages and signing on bonuses. there's a lot of negotiation that goes into these sort of things, it's not just here's 5 million, kthnxbye

So we shouldn't bother trying then because its too much hassle! ok

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And you know this as fact? ;)

 

Shawcross will be above £10million, which is why he'll be going nowhere.

 

Yobo you're probably right in your estimation, but you won't get that much for Distin, not a chance.

 

So we have to add a million or two even. we still end up with better QUALITY players and as a result a better squad even if we're down a body.

 

I have to say, really dissappointed with the standard of response i got to a genuine belief that we should rearrange our defence by selling average players(jags the only one to have a case for not being labelled as such and purely on last years form). ranging from one word insults to why make transfers, they're too much hassle. Pretty poor. Expected more from everton fans who i thought were fairly clued in. Mediocrity seems to be too deeply engrained in us!

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So we shouldn't bother trying then because its too much hassle! ok

 

it's not about hassle, it's practicality and reality. would shawcross sign to be backup as well? he's not getting in ahead of jags or heitinga for me

 

you're getting this response mate, because you're suggesting, amongst other things, that jags (one of our best players) is average. it's because you're the minority and because you're making ridiculous comments after another. you've seen plenty of reason why your ideas are flawed and you're ignoring them...you're an idiot.

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it's not about hassle, it's practicality and reality. would shawcross sign to be backup as well? he's not getting in ahead of jags or heitinga for me

 

you're getting this response mate, because you're suggesting, amongst other things, that jags (one of our best players) is average. it's because you're the minority and because you're making ridiculous comments after another. you've seen plenty of reason why your ideas are flawed and you're ignoring them...you're an idiot.

Have heard nothing but drivel from the likes of you to be honest mate. why change things if they're ok as they are seems to be the attitude, not gonna go far with attitute. I think i'll leave you guys to get back to flirtig with each other!

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Have heard nothing but drivel from the likes of you to be honest mate. why change things if they're ok as they are seems to be the attitude, not gonna go far with attitute. I think i'll leave you guys to get back to flirtig with each other!

 

drivel? do me a favour im not the one that can't add and form a logical arguement that's not filled with fantasy and innaccuracies. shawcross wouldn't even be an improvement on what we have. all your doing is gettign rid of perfectly good squad players, we aren't barcelona who can have henry on the bench. you're both boring and deluded, i wont bother with you anymore

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drivel? do me a favour im not the one that can't add and form a logical arguement that's not filled with fantasy and innaccuracies. shawcross wouldn't even be an improvement on what we have. all your doing is gettign rid of perfectly good squad players, we aren't barcelona who can have henry on the bench. you're both boring and deluded, i wont bother with you anymore

yea your right whats the point having quality players when we can have an extra average one. and shawcross not an improvement, please! what fucking team are you watching?

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Stop please i cant take it any more,

i'm nearly pissing myself, its too funny!

you guys are pretending to be gay right?

 

Of course not. ToffeeTalk.com helped to found the Everton Gay Supporters' Association. We were quite instrumental in getting Everton's pink third kit last year to support breast cancer awareness.

 

Have you got a problem with that? Bigot.

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Of course not. ToffeeTalk.com helped to found the Everton Gay Supporters' Association. We were quite instrumental in getting Everton's pink third kit last year to support breast cancer awareness.

 

Have you got a problem with that? Bigot.

Again, side splitting!

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and mr testicles, always worth a feel in the shower, or feel your partners...always good to get a second opinion on your testes

 

Good advice that. You need to feel them often to notice abnormalities.

 

 

Mark often gives me second opinions.

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thanks :) you ain't that bad after all...

Is this how lonely people make themselves feel beter, by flirting with men on forums and pretending its about football?

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Is this how lonely people make themselves feel beter, by flirting with men on forums and pretending its about football?

 

You should see what we do during the off-season.

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been watching the thread to see how it would play out. kenny, I think you've got reality and FM mixed up. I think we can agree that you are right in saying that there are better defenders out there than Yobo, Distin and Hibbo and that I'd (and everyone else) love to have them on our team. But that's about it. You have failed to see the flaws in your logic; most of which are largely financial, but there are several others.

 

1) No one is looking to buy Tony Hibbert or Silvain Distin, especially not for a reasonable fee. Sure, they might be values at 2 and 4 mil, respectively, but I can hardly see a lower level prem team scooping them up when they could just as well take 1 mil gamble on a championship defender who could turn out better.

 

2)The fees we would get, if we could sell everyone you wanted to, would not be sufficient to buy 2 quality defenders. Unfortunately, we have ZERO budget in the transfer market (see last 2 summers), so selling 12 million in players isn't going to see us spending 20-25 mil on new ones. And that's just considering transfer fees, not wages, bonuses and negotiation costs (as previously mentioned). Like was said, if we could sell Distin and buy Shawcross, we'd all do it in a heartbeat, but it's not happening.

 

3) The team cannot be so drastically disrupted in one go. If we're to get off to a reasonable start next term, it is best we have a team that has already figured out how to play with each other. We have that, no need to break it up for some modest improvement.

 

4) Squad size is crucial. One only has to look as far back as January to see how much we could benefit from a larger squad, not a smaller one. It is lunacy to suggest we'd be fine with FEWER players!

 

5) You assume that homo-eroticism and football are mutually exclusive. Twat.

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been watching the thread to see how it would play out. kenny, I think you've got reality and FM mixed up. I think we can agree that you are right in saying that there are better defenders out there than Yobo, Distin and Hibbo and that I'd (and everyone else) love to have them on our team. But that's about it. You have failed to see the flaws in your logic; most of which are largely financial, but there are several others.

 

1) No one is looking to buy Tony Hibbert or Silvain Distin, especially not for a reasonable fee. Sure, they might be values at 2 and 4 mil, respectively, but I can hardly see a lower level prem team scooping them up when they could just as well take 1 mil gamble on a championship defender who could turn out better.

 

2)The fees we would get, if we could sell everyone you wanted to, would not be sufficient to buy 2 quality defenders. Unfortunately, we have ZERO budget in the transfer market (see last 2 summers), so selling 12 million in players isn't going to see us spending 20-25 mil on new ones. And that's just considering transfer fees, not wages, bonuses and negotiation costs (as previously mentioned). Like was said, if we could sell Distin and buy Shawcross, we'd all do it in a heartbeat, but it's not happening.

 

3) The team cannot be so drastically disrupted in one go. If we're to get off to a reasonable start next term, it is best we have a team that has already figured out how to play with each other. We have that, no need to break it up for some modest improvement.

 

4) Squad size is crucial. One only has to look as far back as January to see how much we could benefit from a larger squad, not a smaller one. It is lunacy to suggest we'd be fine with FEWER players!

 

5) You assume that homo-eroticism and football are mutually exclusive. Twat.

 

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been watching the thread to see how it would play out. kenny, I think you've got reality and FM mixed up. I think we can agree that you are right in saying that there are better defenders out there than Yobo, Distin and Hibbo and that I'd (and everyone else) love to have them on our team. But that's about it. You have failed to see the flaws in your logic; most of which are largely financial, but there are several others.

 

1) No one is looking to buy Tony Hibbert or Silvain Distin, especially not for a reasonable fee. Sure, they might be values at 2 and 4 mil, respectively, but I can hardly see a lower level prem team scooping them up when they could just as well take 1 mil gamble on a championship defender who could turn out better.

 

2)The fees we would get, if we could sell everyone you wanted to, would not be sufficient to buy 2 quality defenders. Unfortunately, we have ZERO budget in the transfer market (see last 2 summers), so selling 12 million in players isn't going to see us spending 20-25 mil on new ones. And that's just considering transfer fees, not wages, bonuses and negotiation costs (as previously mentioned). Like was said, if we could sell Distin and buy Shawcross, we'd all do it in a heartbeat, but it's not happening.

 

3) The team cannot be so drastically disrupted in one go. If we're to get off to a reasonable start next term, it is best we have a team that has already figured out how to play with each other. We have that, no need to break it up for some modest improvement.

 

4) Squad size is crucial. One only has to look as far back as January to see how much we could benefit from a larger squad, not a smaller one. It is lunacy to suggest we'd be fine with FEWER players!

 

5) You assume that homo-eroticism and football are mutually exclusive. Twat.

1) dont try and sell players cos people might not want them

 

2)keep 3 average players instead of two quality ones in case they want decent wages even though you'd have one less journeyman to pay

 

3)It takes a year for players to 'figure out how to play with each other'. give me a break. good players play, end of.

 

4)We had a horrendous injury list that is unlikely to be repeated, my point was it is worth the risk of having one less body to improve the QUALITY

 

5)HILLARIOUS

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Hey Kenny what about having a look at some of the other threads? We've got hundreds of them :) .

 

Might find a bit of common ground....you never know ;) .

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1) dont try and sell players cos people might not want them

 

2)keep 3 average players instead of two quality ones in case they want decent wages even though you'd have one less journeyman to pay

 

3)It takes a year for players to 'figure out how to play with each other'. give me a break. good players play, end of.

 

4)We had a horrendous injury list that is unlikely to be repeated, my point was it is worth the risk of having one less body to improve the QUALITY

 

5)HILLARIOUS

 

1) Didn't say don't try. But, there LIKELY aren't buyers.

 

2) yes. see 1)

 

3) See, Fellaini, Bily, Jags, Saha, and that's just recently for Everton. There are tons of examples where players take time to meld into the style of play in a new country/club.

 

4) I agree, I just question feasibility.

 

5) aw, shucks.

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This one is just for flirting and telling each other how great we all are is it?

 

Actually that's the gist of most of them tbf.

 

AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY!

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1) Didn't say don't try. But, there LIKELY aren't buyers.

 

2) yes. see 1)

 

3) See, Fellaini, Bily, Jags, Saha, and that's just recently for Everton. There are tons of examples where players take time to meld into the style of play in a new country/club.

 

4) I agree, I just question feasibility.

 

5) aw, shucks.

4)So you agree we should improve the quality of the squad at the expense of one body, but you dont THINK its feasible so i'm a twat for suggesting it?

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Actually that's the gist of most of them tbf.

 

AND WE WOULDN'T HAVE IT ANY OTHER WAY!

And there was silly me thinking it was to discuss all things everton. Boy do i feel stupid!

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