pete0 Posted July 23, 2011 Report Share Posted July 23, 2011 yobo is defo the fastest cb we have..possibly the fastest player at the club..jags isn't slow and but i don't think he is as fast as distin..less prone to a mistake though if you ask me Jags makes more mistakes than any of our other cb's imo. Jus the others are better at covering his mistakes than he is at returning the favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 You think Jagielka has got more pace than Distin? Its close but I dont think there would be much in it. In a match situation, I think Jags would read it quicker and thus get there quicker which is what really matters. But as someone else mentioned Yobo would win the sprint race hands down! Very poor performance from him tonight though, but Distin wasnt much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/260770/Arsene-Wenger-ups-Phil-Jagielka-bid 17m still isnt enough in my eyes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Jags makes more mistakes than any of our other cb's imo. Jus the others are better at covering his mistakes than he is at returning the favour. i can't think of many mistakes beyond the ashley young one..distin has a 50p head(to quote romey) and the ball can go anywhere half the time..not as strong in the air as he should be and his mistakes come from that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 £20m is right and fair. Is he replaceable? Not really, there ain't many of his kind knocking around. Mistakes? As far as centre halves go who doesn't make them? Terry, carragher, rio, they all make them. For me he is a tremendous organiser at the back, hasn't got the technical ability of heitinga, but otherwise solid as a rock. Barring kroldrup, moyes record at signing defensive players is top notch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) Honestly I can't see how we could refuse an offer of about £17 million. We clearly are in need of money. If we can get that much we could use 10 mil to get N'Zogbia in and the rest to pay off debt. So we'd strengthen a position where we really need reinforcements. And to be honest I don't think we'd really lose quality in central defense. To be even more honest I'd think we might even improve with a Distin-Heitinga partnership. We'd still have Yobo, Duffy and Mustafi as back up. And Rodwell could play there as well if needed. Of course, we could hold out for even more money, but I don't think we'll get much more and they could just turn to Gary Cahill. Edited July 24, 2011 by Steve_E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 Honestly I can't see how we could refuse an offer of about £17 million. We clearly are in need of money. If we can get that much we could use 10 mil to get N'Zogbia in and the rest to pay off debt. So we'd strengthen a position where we really need reinforcements. And to be honest I don't think we'd really lose quality in central defense. To be even more honest I'd think we might even improve with a Distin-Heitinga partnership. We'd still have Yobo, Duffy and Mustafi as back up. And Rodwell could play there as well if needed. Of course, we could hold out for even more money, but I don't think we'll get much more and they could just turn to Gary Cahill. I'd hate to see Jags leave--however, maybe a deal with Wigan for N'Zogbia would work out somehow. We have some depth at CB, but we have NO ONE on the left. We can't rely on the potential of Gueye alone. I think he'll be a great player, but he's still far from ready to start every game--then again, IDK, maybe he can prove me wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 I'd hate to see Jags leave--however, maybe a deal with Wigan for N'Zogbia would work out somehow. Are you suggesting Jagielka would move to Wigan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 They are a big club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete0 Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 i can't think of many mistakes beyond the ashley young one..distin has a 50p head(to quote romey) and the ball can go anywhere half the time..not as strong in the air as he should be and his mistakes come from that He was at fault for the goal las night and he left it to Distin to huff and puff, not that he'd do the same. Reminds me of John Terry and Carvalho, everyone raved about JT when he was getting carried by Carvalho, and slated Carvalho for his mistakes/bookings covering JT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted July 24, 2011 Report Share Posted July 24, 2011 (edited) He was at fault for the goal las night and he left it to Distin to huff and puff, not that he'd do the same. Reminds me of John Terry and Carvalho, everyone raved about JT when he was getting carried by Carvalho, and slated Carvalho for his mistakes/bookings covering JT. Not so sure about that tbh... Jags followed the striker deep (which he will have been instructed to do tactically) and the DC guy made a decent run which Distin didnt cover. If we had a full on DM then Jags could have passed the DC player on to him and kept a solid back line (which is why I think we should play Felli there). Otherwise Distin has to cover, or likewise if Distin follows him in then Jags has to cover. PS Carvalho was an absolute class player, but he hasnt looked the same and been as consistent since he left Chelsea. They were a great partnership covering each other (especially with Makelele in front) and Jags & Distin dont work as well in that team set up. Edited July 24, 2011 by Bailey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibdane Posted July 26, 2011 Report Share Posted July 26, 2011 Are you suggesting Jagielka would move to Wigan? Never said he'd want to, hence, the "maybe" in the sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dweagle6 Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Here's what I'd take...8-10M + Bendtner for Jagielka buy N'Zogbia and play jonny and distin at the back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smeghead1 Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 cant understand why anybody would want Bendtner, hes a right lazy shit, and we already have Yak for that job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USAJUSTIN Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 I am tired of players with nothing going for them but pretty hair. It make me want to puke. A bunch of fashionatas playing football. No thanks on Bendtner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Never said he'd want to, hence, the "maybe" in the sentence. But there is no maybe though, I'd bet my life on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pax Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Arsenal have offered £13 million, but we want £18 million ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaminfox Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 I dont think David Moyes would let him go for anything under 18 million. We all know how stubborn he is because of the lescott deal, and he simply wont budge. Which is good I still don't know if we should sell him, when I look at Jags in the games he is always shouting orders and organizing but I feel Heitinga is a better defender and we wouldn't really miss him :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cols Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Arsenal to bid 18 mil for jags..I'd bite there f****n hand off haha. http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/11-12/rumour-mill/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everton_Worshiper Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 We should not and will not sell Jags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 £18m.......................29 years old in a short while................aaarrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I dunno, really don't. If we could hijack NZogbia for £10m (who IMO is a £15m player) then I must say yes with an extremely heavy heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cols Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 You can't say WILL NOT as you dont know that for sure but at 18 mil I think it will be hard for dm to say no. Although I wouldn't want to sell our top defender he isn't irreplaceable with that sort of money and with change.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 We should not sell any of our best players, and he is one of our best players. But you do have to consider the right time to sell. It is fair to say that most defenders we bring in improve, (I would bloody well hope so considering near all of our coaches are ex defenders) Is it to be considered that we only paid £4m for him, so lets run him into the ground? Or do we look at the scary prospect of starting the season without a recognised and proven left sided player... Is Rodwell going to make a centre half? Is Duffy ready to step up? Pre season indicates not yet (Barkley travelled with first team) Ironically Wenger sold Toure at a similar age as Jags for £16m to city - you could say it was smart business, but given his record at selling at the right time and replacing with an unearthed gem, does he see Jags as being the best at what he needs now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cols Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Damn good point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Arsenal have offered £13 million, but we want £18 million ! Where is your proof? That is just speculation I want hard solid facts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cols Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Glad i don't have to make the decision haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 if we sold jags i would want scott dann to replace him. He, and 4 others want to leave because of the clubs Expected Money troubles, get him for £5m i think. Plus Heitinga, Rodwell and Duffy might come good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 He, and 4 others want to leave because of the clubs Expected Money troubles, get him for £5m i think. Plus Heitinga, Rodwell and Duffy might come good. I wouldn't be too disappointed, given his age, could we get him for £7m? If we could the chances are Liverpool would pounce and he's an ex season ticket holder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 If he goes it's haagaland from fulham for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pax Posted July 28, 2011 Report Share Posted July 28, 2011 Where is your proof? That is just speculation I want hard solid facts! And the prize for the person who doesn't understand the thread title goes to .............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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