MikeO Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 Didn't see much of the game last night but sounds like more of the same. Time to cut our losses imo and get rid in January. He can obviously play but is just too lightweight for the Premier League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 He didnt cover himself with much glory no he should have scored at least one goal espeically with his shooting ability. I dont understand the logic of Moyes dropping Coleman as he has been one of our best outlets, unless Coleman was rested? Anyway agree time is ticking on Billy but unless we get good money for him i wouldnt sell in Jan unless it was to replace him with Landon or another right winger with some PACE which was lacking again last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 i'll say it again...i don't care what moyes says the lad isn't a winger..he has nice feet and managed to dribble it round 2/3 bolton players in only 2 yards of space..i'd give him a crack in the middle before gettin rid! he has a great left foot we have seen it from the goals he has scored! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inertia8 Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 He's been given fuck all time of late, but in my opinion he's looking much fitter, yes he gets pushed off the ball, other plays have had that issue too but with bulking up should come good. He looked puffed in the first season after 30mins, atleast he looked ok yesterday with the fitness aspect. He needs to be trained to shoot/cross/pass instinctively with the right foot, too many times yesterday he wanted to always get it on the left... I too think he needs to be moved more centrally, behind and to the right of the striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherEstapol Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 I hope that if Cahill gets injured/when he's the Asian Cup, that Bily gets a shot in the centre mid. Obviously would be a different role to Timmy, but with his left foot he'd be dangerous from long range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 If he's just going to play him on the wing then definitely get rid of him, because out there he's a waste of space and it's doing the team and him no favours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted November 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 I think saying he's played out of position is clutching at straws myself....he's been piss-poor and he's not going to suddenly become a world beater by being shifted twenty yards infield. Ossie's not a winger, Anichebe's not a winger, Arteta's not a winger but when they play there, even if they're not supremely effective, you can see that they have ability and can play the game. Bily's offered no evidence of that....that's a bit harsh....he's offered virtually no evidence. Was so excited when we signed him, but he's just been a huge let-down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 I think saying he's played out of position is clutching at straws myself....he's been piss-poor and he's not going to suddenly become a world beater by being shifted twenty yards infield. Ossie's not a winger, Anichebe's not a winger, Arteta's not a winger but when they play there, even if they're not supremely effective, you can see that they have ability and can play the game. Bily's offered no evidence of that....that's a bit harsh....he's offered virtually no evidence. Was so excited when we signed him, but he's just been a huge let-down. Couldnt agree more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 I think saying he's played out of position is clutching at straws myself....he's been piss-poor and he's not going to suddenly become a world beater by being shifted twenty yards infield. Ossie's not a winger, Anichebe's not a winger, Arteta's not a winger but when they play there, even if they're not supremely effective, you can see that they have ability and can play the game. Bily's offered no evidence of that....that's a bit harsh....he's offered virtually no evidence. Was so excited when we signed him, but he's just been a huge let-down. That all makes perfect sense but I do genuinely believe that he'd be a completely different player, an exciting player, in a more suitable position. It's just a gut feeling. But I don't think we'll ever get to see if that would be the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcrawfor Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 I think Bily was a lot better yesterday. He had some nice link ups with Pip and Mikky, and even made some good stops. I thought he looked better than seamus did yesterday. I think we ought to wait til the summer to make a decision about him, he'd go for more in the summer anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemonkey Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 if bily is going to play can we please let him take set pieces instead of arteta or baines, i remember on his debut in the europa league he took a few set pieces and all led to a goal or very close to a goal, artetas corners have been beyond shite, hits first man or clears the last man every time he hits it as for bily hes clearly uncomfortable on the wing although I cant see him being at all effective in centre mid where he can get pushed off the ball and leave us exposed, but playing off a striker might be a good spot for him. unfortunately the system moyes likes to play of lumping the ball from centre back for cahill to flick on might not be as effective with big man bily as the target! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 (edited) this game you mean? corners are beauties! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJjog5o37Y8 i'm with romey on this...there's summat about him that i like and it makes me believe he will come good played right! edit: another point...he still scored 7 goals for us last year despite everyone sayin how shite he was Edited November 11, 2010 by marcopaulo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 Be a great 5 a side player. In all seriousness he is never likely to become a central player as he lacks physical strength or athleticism. Tidy enough but that aint it in our league. He's a player who would do well in the Italian league. Be interesting to see him after getting a bit of weight on with a little hunger, never gonna happen, doesn't have enough heart for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iggy Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 (edited) MikeO, on 11 Nov 2010 - 13:23, said: I think saying he's played out of position is clutching at straws myself....he's been piss-poor and he's not going to suddenly become a world beater by being shifted twenty yards infield. Ossie's not a winger, Anichebe's not a winger, Arteta's not a winger but when they play there, even if they're not supremely effective, you can see that they have ability and can play the game. Bily's offered no evidence of that....that's a bit harsh....he's offered virtually no evidence. Was so excited when we signed him, but he's just been a huge let-down. Couldnt agree more! I'm with these 2, Bily shows glimpses of what he can do but we can't afford to accommodate a "luxury" player in our team. Time to go (January) and I wish him well in anticipation and hope. Edited November 11, 2010 by iggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everton_Worshiper Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 Absolutely sod all to his game, needs to be booted. (Honest opinion). Nobody where I was sat had anything positive to say about him last night, never mind any other games this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 I think people are very quick to jump on his back when he has an average game and you can visibly see he lacks confidence. So far he hasnt been good enough and I wouldnt be disappointed if he was sold on. There are signs of class and he does a lot of defensive work that he doesnt get credit for but he has to show more than that. I would personally give him 4-5 games to get his act together, if not he goes. I would be tempted to say to him that he will have 60 mins in each game before being replaced, so he has no excuse not to bust his arse for the hour he is on. I too would prefer him to play more centrally but it wont happen and in reality we can use him to play off the striker from the right (like we did with Vic) and get the full back to be our wide outlet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 My concern is his value, not worth anywhere near what we paid. £11m is gonna see a loss, be lucky to get £7m for him. Still.... Pool the money we could get from selling mr bayern Munich, man city come get me as I've played in the world cup final and can't be arsed anymore. We could get £15m for him, leaves a tidy £20m to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formby Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 Pro Bily here. We simply don’t have enough players with that kind of guile / class. Moyes saw enough in him to bring him here; his job to get it out. You have got to get Bily in striking range of goal (his left foot is as sweet as Sheedy’s was) – therefore no point on left hand side. We’re not exactly scoring loads, so I agree with those saying push him forward. Give him a few games in a floating, forward role, see what he can do; let him take set-pieces. I’m with Romey and Marco on this. The clips of him don’t lie; he has ability. Moyes has to be brave (but we’ve all been saying that a la formation / Coleman / playing two forwards ad infinitum). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted November 11, 2010 Report Share Posted November 11, 2010 it kills me we could have got adam johnson for less money at the same time! after watching last nite and his previous games he is too lightweight and low. this aint 85 now!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehuddo Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Its a load of crap to say someone is too lightweight. Look at the best player in the world. Arnold Schwarzenegger he ain't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Everton_Worshiper Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 I would personally give him 4-5 games to get his act together, if not he goes. This is the whole point though, last season he apparently had the excuse of coming from a full season of the Russian league. This season he hasn't, he has had long enough to get his act together. Even Graeme Sharp doesn't rate the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Its a load of crap to say someone is too lightweight. Look at the best player in the world. Arnold Schwarzenegger he ain't most players are around 11 stone ish. The fact is he is weak. Messi is light but has a low centre of gravity so he can utilise what mass he hass effectively, tim Cahill is no monster but look at the way ge roughed up vidic. Pienaar for his size will take knocks, stabilise with balance and keep the ball. The problem with billy is that he is has no bulk, has no grit, his balance is not the best. The other night he fell after the slightest nudge, lost the ball and Bolton went on an attack and nearly scored. The main factor that concerns me about him is that he has no mental or physical tenacity, you see players with it and the ones who don't have it stick out like a sore thumb. Forget technique, you need to earn the right to play. To add to that you never see him beat a man. I don't see an £11m footballer I'm afraid. Trust me, I wish I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scouse Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 You have got to get Bily in striking range of goal (his left foot is as sweet as Sheedy’s was In fairness he should have had a 3 against Bolton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluehuddo Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 most players are around 11 stone ish. The fact is he is weak. Messi is light but has a low centre of gravity so he can utilise what mass he hass effectively, tim Cahill is no monster but look at the way ge roughed up vidic. Pienaar for his size will take knocks, stabilise with balance and keep the ball. The problem with billy is that he is has no bulk, has no grit, his balance is not the best. The other night he fell after the slightest nudge, lost the ball and Bolton went on an attack and nearly scored. The main factor that concerns me about him is that he has no mental or physical tenacity, you see players with it and the ones who don't have it stick out like a sore thumb. Forget technique, you need to earn the right to play. To add to that you never see him beat a man. I don't see an £11m footballer I'm afraid. Trust me, I wish I did. This He also looks so lost a lot of the time. He needs to take a leaf out of Ossies book. Osman looks lost when he plays on the right, but always has a go and he always takes his chance when played in his correct position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 bily hasn't had a chance to take in the centre..he needs to get down the gym though will agree with that and get it into his head that he may get hurt in a game but pain goes away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 (edited) My concern is his value, not worth anywhere near what we paid. £11m is gonna see a loss, be lucky to get £7m for him. Still.... Pool the money we could get from selling mr bayern Munich, man city come get me as I've played in the world cup final and can't be arsed anymore. We could get £15m for him, leaves a tidy £20m to work with. I thought we paid £9million for him? Edited November 12, 2010 by Romey 1878 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 I thought we paid £9million for him? Bilyaletdinov signed a four-year contract with English club Everton in August 2009 for an undisclosed fee believed to be £8.9 million on a recommendation from national team manager Guus Hiddink, who was at Chelsea at that time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hafnia Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 Bilyaletdinov signed a four-year contract with English club Everton in August 2009 for an undisclosed fee – believed to be £8.9 million – on a recommendation from national team manager Guus Hiddink, who was at Chelsea at that time. Makes me feel a little better. One things that makes me feel worse in Van Der Vart cost £8m Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_toffee_bronco Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 If he can't play wide (which it looks as tho he can't), I really don't see a place in our set up for billy. I can't see him in the Cahill role, Cahills role off the ball is almost as important as his goal scoring ability, when we don't have possession he is constantly pressing, limiting the oppostions time on the ball which is so important to the way we play. Can we really see Billy doing something like that? And I just don't think he has the creative vision, composure or physical presence to play in CM in the premier and certainly not to display the likes of spud, felliani and rodwell. Its unfortunate becuase I think he has as sweet a left peg as anyone in the league, if we were in a better financial position he would be a great player to bring off the bench when the oppostion has shut a shop and we need a goal from distance. But in reality we can't afford to have a £5M+ assest on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romey 1878 Posted November 12, 2010 Report Share Posted November 12, 2010 If he can't play wide (which it looks as tho he can't), I really don't see a place in our set up for billy. I can't see him in the Cahill role, Cahills role off the ball is almost as important as his goal scoring ability, when we don't have possession he is constantly pressing, limiting the oppostions time on the ball which is so important to the way we play. Can we really see Billy doing something like that? And I just don't think he has the creative vision, composure or physical presence to play in CM in the premier and certainly not to display the likes of spud, felliani and rodwell. If Bily was played behind the striker then I wouldn't be expecting him to play at all like Cahill does behind the striker. Bily playing there would offer us something different. He wouldn't win flick ons and pressurise the defence. But what he would do is provide a link between the midfield and the forward, something which Cahill doesn't do very well. He'd offer us the ability to shoot from distance. He'd offer us a bit of trickery up top and maybe he'd be able to find that little pass in a tricky situation to put the striker through. Something which we lack in abundance. Just because he'd be playing behind the striker doesn't mean he should play like Cahill. Cahill is a limited player but nobody does what he does better. But that doesn't mean there isn't another way of playing effectively behind the striker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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