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In my opinion its time to let bygones be bygones and get over the whole Rooney fiasco.

 

We all know deep down that he had NOTHING to do with that transfer and that it was all stewed up by the EFC board - even down to the timing so that we could keep the banks happy and not the team...(bank was knocking on the door).

 

He is a superb player - probably amongst the best in the world at the tender age of 20. A feat that only the greats ever manage to boast - Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, van basten, beckenbauer, pele, etc.etc.

 

Some may think that naming him amongst those players is ludicrious but it really isn't. He is a household name at 20 yrs of age. It seems as though he has been around for ages and that his talent is only growing - but he is only 20!!!

 

He runs at established world class defenders as though they are nothing and its inspiring.

 

We should take great pride that his talent was nurtured and introduced to the world via the Goodison turfs.

Colin Harvey made that player - focusing his mind on the unique talent that he possesses.

 

But unfortunately Harvey retired and there was nothing at the club that could further develop Rooney - he was starting to go down a rocky road. his fitness and sharpness was decreasing and a move to United was the only way forward - to be further developed (not nurtured) by what is probably the best training coaches/facilities and manager in the England (and maybe the world) was the only way forward for him - and he has grown into something that Evertonians knew he would....But I still dont think that he would have chosen to go if given the option .

 

The option, however, is what he didn't get. He did us a favour - he left us £20m and played the game with the board and made it look as though it was his decision...career wise it probably was - at the time we could not tame the beast in a team of minnows. but passionate wise, love of the club and all that - Rooney never wanted to go and its obvious - he still plays for united wearing a blue wrist band. He still looks for the Everton result before anything else...he is a blue - buthe was blue at the wrong time in our history. Thats sad for evertonians - but its not Rooneys fault.

 

He couldn't have stayed and turned this club around - he had to leave for big money and it was planned as soon as he signed his first contract at the club - kenwright was rubbing his hands together back then - birch was drafted in to do the deal for EFC and United and then left once finalised - there was no board room row or split - it was all a conspiracy and as time moves, our opinions are changing over the whole saga.

 

 

My opinion is this - lets get off his back. There is no denying that he is and will continue to be an amazing talent in world football. and whilst he dones the england shirt he will have my backing. he has inadvertently done more for EFC than most players who have stayed - and he knew that was going to be the case..which is why he swallowed the disappointment and accepted that he had to play his part in a very bad move away from his beloved blues.

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What you said

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I agree. I was pi$$ed off when he left, but just because we couldn't keep him. At the end of the day he is the biggest talent to come out of English football in years and much as I hate to say it he would have quickly outgrown EFC, we are not the world leading club that Man U are and if they hadn't snapped him up then it would have been one of the others (Chelsea, Real, Barca etc...).

 

It's telling that the 04-05 season was one of the best we have had in recent memory even without him. I think Gravesson going had far more impact on the club than Rooney did (again, no matter who you are if you get the chance to play for a team like Real then you're going to take it).

 

I like Rooney, I think Man U have brought out the best in him and I think Fergie manages him well. I want him to get better and better as a player and help England be the international force thet we really should be.

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In my opinion its time to let bygones be bygones and  get over the whole Rooney fiasco.

 

We all know deep down that he had NOTHING to do with that transfer and that it was all stewed up by the EFC board - even down to the timing so that we could keep the banks happy and not the team...(bank was knocking on the door).

 

He is a superb player - probably amongst the best in the world at the tender age of 20. A feat that only the greats ever manage to boast - Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, van basten, beckenbauer, pele, etc.etc.

 

Some may think that naming him amongst those players is ludicrious but it really isn't. He is a household name at 20 yrs of age. It seems as though he has been around for ages and that his talent is only growing - but he is only 20!!!

 

He runs at established world class defenders as though they are nothing and its inspiring.

 

We should take great pride that his talent was nurtured and introduced to the world via the Goodison turfs.

Colin Harvey made that player - focusing his mind on the unique talent that he possesses.

 

But unfortunately Harvey retired and there was nothing at the club that could further develop Rooney - he was starting to go down a rocky road. his fitness and sharpness was decreasing and a move to United was the only way forward - to be further developed (not nurtured) by what is probably the best training coaches/facilities and manager in the England (and maybe the world) was the only way forward for him - and he has grown into something that Evertonians knew he would....But I still dont think that he would have chosen to go if given the option .

 

The option, however, is what he didn't get. He did us a favour - he left us £20m and played the game with the board and made it look as though it was his decision...career wise it probably was - at the time we could not tame the beast in a team of minnows. but passionate wise, love of the club and all that - Rooney never wanted to go and its obvious - he still plays for united wearing a blue wrist band. He still looks for the Everton result before anything else...he is a blue - buthe was blue at the wrong time in our history. Thats sad for evertonians - but its not Rooneys fault.

 

He couldn't have stayed and turned this club around - he had to leave for big money and it was planned as soon as he signed his first contract at the club - kenwright was rubbing his hands together back then - birch was drafted in to do the deal for EFC and United and then left once finalised - there was no board room row or split - it was all a conspiracy and as time moves, our opinions are changing over the whole saga.

My opinion is this - lets get off his back. There is no denying that he is and will continue to be an amazing talent in world football. and whilst he dones the england shirt he will have my backing. he has inadvertently done more for EFC than most players who have stayed - and he knew that was going to be the case..which is why he swallowed the disappointment and accepted that he had to play his part in a very bad move away from his beloved blues.

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Can i just ask if you know all of this to be true or is it just guess work on your part that he didnt want to leave? And why if he still loves the blues does act like a dickhead towards fellow fans like himself when Manure play us?

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You know I kind of agreed with most things you said, then I think back at when he scored against us, the way he celebrated didn't show me how much he loved the club.

 

IMO he should have done a Robbie Keane, when Robbie scored against Wolves, just ran pick the ball up told other people to piss off when they came over to celebrate, but the ball down in the circle and get the game going again. Now thats real love for a club that made someone.

 

It was then that my conclusion was made, Rooney wanted to leave the club.

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You know I kind of agreed with most things you said, then I think back at when he scored against us, the way he celebrated didn't show me how much he loved the club.

 

IMO he should have done a Robbie Keane, when he scored against Wolves, just ran pick the ball up told other people to piss off when they came over to celebrate, but the ball down in the circle and get the game going again. Now thats real love for a club that made someone.

 

It was then that my conclusion was made, he wanted to leave the club.

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Agreed

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You know I kind of agreed with most things you said, then I think back at when he scored against us, the way he celebrated didn't show me how much he loved the club.

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Perhaps it was because of the $hit that was said about him by the fans when he went.

 

To my knowledge he hasn't publically slagged us off the way some players have when they have left (Radlinski).

 

Although it hurt at the time I think we should just let it go and look to the future with players like AJ coming into the ranks.

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Perhaps it was because of the $hit that was said about him by the fans when he went.

 

To my knowledge he hasn't publically slagged us off the way some players have when they have left (Radlinski).

 

Although it hurt at the time I think we should just let it go and look to the future with players like AJ coming into the ranks.

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Its not surprising the way hes been treated though is it, he cant have been surprised when everyone thinks he figed us off?

 

Ive let it go now, i realised we didnt need him

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Yeah a lot was said about him when he left, well a good way to prove those people right was to act the way he did. If he did not celebrate I'm quietly confident Everton fans would think...

 

"Its true, he was made to leave he still loves the club"

 

Well I know I would have and I'd have forgiven him in a second.

 

Also is he not a footballer? thought all that would have gone with the territory

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Ive let it go now, i realised we didnt need him

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Exactly. We would have just ended up building the team around him. No man is bigger than the club.

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I'd have to write an essay to put over my views on this but broken down:

 

-Rooney was talked into leaving by the England players

 

-Our board saw pound signs and never stopped him.

 

-Rooney loves Everton

 

-Rooney reacted to his goal at Goodison due to provocation by the Gwladys Street and can be excused because of his age and obvious lack of maturity in many areas.

 

-I personally think he is a money grabbing lil c*nt

 

-His move did Everton the world of good

 

-His move did him the world of good

 

-I dont hate him but i'l try and destroy him every time he takes the Goodison field as that is my job as a Gwladys Street regular (if he's off manure can be beaten!).

 

-Would i have him back? Yes but i would expect some public groveling to the fans because if he's one of us he understands us.

 

-I hope the kid does well for himself & England and good luck to him.

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I watch him and am still amazed by how good he is and that is what makes me hate him. If he was a Franny or a Barmby I wouldn't care as much but it's the fact that he is such a good player the likes of which we will not see at Goodison for another 50 years. To me, if he had stayed at the club till he was 20 and then left to find a bigger club he would have gone with my blessing, it's just in the whole larger picture Everton can simply be viewed as a stepping stone to bigger things a means to an end. All this crap about him becoming much better since going to Utd BOLLOCKS wasn't that Wayne Rooney who wowed Euro 2004 still an Everton player, oh yeah I think he was! He showed us no loyalty whatsoever and it's not like he wasn't playing for England whilst he was an Everton player, if he was 26 and wanted to win some silverware and thought Everton couldn't deliver that fair enough but he was only 18 at the time surely a little loyalty wasn't too much to ask for he just jumped ship as soon as another off came along.

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I'd have to write an essay to put over my views on this but broken down:

 

-Rooney was talked into leaving by the England players

 

-Our board saw pound signs and never stopped him.

 

-Rooney loves Everton

 

-Rooney reacted to his goal at Goodison due to provocation by the Gwladys Street and can be excused because of his age and obvious lack of maturity in many areas.

 

-I personally think he is a money grabbing lil c*nt

 

-His move did Everton the world of good

 

-His move did him the world of good

 

-I dont hate him but i'l try and destroy him every time he takes the Goodison field as that is my job as a Gwladys Street regular (if he's off manure can be beaten!).

 

-Would i have him back? Yes but i would expect some public groveling to the fans because if he's one of us he understands us.

 

-I hope the kid does well for himself & England and good luck to him.

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Good post totally agree

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what about his younger brother graham isnt he suppose to follow in his footsteps!! is he on our books or did manure get him aswell?

 

i've seen graham at away games spitting image

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I heard he had decided to follow a career in boxing instead but it might be another of his brothers he has a couple I think

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yeah you are right about boxing saw him at cheski away with frank bruno but thought they all into boxing when younger!

graham meant to be as good as wayne at football!

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Can i just ask if you know all of this to be true or is it just guess work on your part that he didnt want to leave? And why if he still loves the blues does act like a dickhead towards fellow fans like himself when Manure play us?

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I am quite good friends with the agent of Ashley Ward - (who works for proactive sports - Rooney's agent) and I got this story from them - So i treat it as reliable.

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I am quite good friends with the agent of Ashley Ward - (who works for proactive sports - Rooney's agent) and I got this story from them - So i treat it as reliable.

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Well im willing to believe you then. But if he didnt want to go then he didnt have to he could have said no couldnt he?

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Well im willing to believe you then. But if he didnt want to go then he didnt have to he could have said no couldnt he?

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at 18 yrs of age, the club you love tell you that you are doing more good by going and saving them from financial ruin...

 

please remember throughout Rooney's youth, EFC have always struggled for cash and had the bank on the doorstep or have not been able to sign players due to the crisis - with being worth money - - he had no say in the matter - the deal was done long before any of us knew about it.

 

Trevor Birch was drafted in to 'sort the club out' - his first job was to go to Portugal and offer Rooney a £50k a week contract - but it failed to mention that the contract was for Everton - people just assumed that...

 

Birch was brought in to handle the massive transfer for Wayne Rooney - and that is what he did. After that he left - but the board had to cover it all up...

 

Rooney had little say and his goal celebration is at the fans because they dont know what happened behind closed doors and Rooney resents that we judged him without the facts.

 

ALso - the celebration was at the board (i think) for sending him up the road. If you had asked him before the transfer if he would play for mancs - he would have probably had the same reaction that me and you would have!! Spit, swear and threaten death for the suggesting such a horrible transfer!

 

I think he was just a pawn - nothing more.

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at 18 yrs of age, the club you love tell you that you are doing more good by going and saving them from financial ruin...

 

please remember throughout Rooney's youth, EFC have always struggled for cash and had the bank on the doorstep or have not been able to sign players due to the crisis - with being worth money - - he had no say in the matter - the deal was done long before any of us knew about it.

 

Trevor Birch was drafted in to 'sort the club out' - his first job was to go to Portugal and offer Rooney a £50k a week contract - but it failed to mention that the contract was for Everton - people just assumed that...

 

Birch was brought in to handle the massive transfer for Wayne Rooney - and that is what he did. After that he left - but the board had to cover it all up...

 

Rooney had little say and his goal celebration is at the fans because they dont know what happened behind closed doors and Rooney resents that we judged him without the facts.

 

ALso - the celebration was at the board (i think) for sending him up the road. If you had asked him before the transfer if he would play for mancs - he would have probably had the same reaction that me and you would have!! Spit, swear and threaten death for the suggesting such a horrible transfer!

 

I think he was just a pawn - nothing more.

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Cr@p.

His agent, your alleged source, will have been the one to tell Rooney what to do and I bet he got a big fat bonus from Manure to do the transfer so why wouldn't he tell Rooney to go...he would get no bonus from Rooney staying!

So theres two people I would p**s on if on fire, Rooney and Rooney's agent at the time.

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Precisely he could have said no, however, he was a young lad and if (as it did you him) it seemed that your bosses don't want you, you are pushed out of the club.

 

Until it's explained from Rooneys mouth why he left then I'll carry on doing what he does to us, not giving a poo about him.

 

Someone summed it up on a poster v Manure

 

"We hate him so much cos we Loved him so much" - not a truer word said about him imo

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LOL, nice banner :P

 

But about that goal celebration being towards fans for judging him without the facts, thats ridiculous. He could have proven them wrong, and could have been more direct at who the celebration was at.

 

Honestly, can we drop this conversation though, there was enough threads when he left :D

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LOL, nice banner :P

 

But about that goal celebration being towards fans for judging him without the facts, thats ridiculous. He could have proven them wrong, and could have been more direct at who the celebration was at.

 

Honestly, can we drop this conversation though, there was enough threads when he left :D

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I think is actually a good conversation

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LOL, nice banner :P

 

But about that goal celebration being towards fans for judging him without the facts, thats ridiculous. He could have proven them wrong, and could have been more direct at who the celebration was at.

 

Honestly, can we drop this conversation though, there was enough threads when he left :D

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He celebrated at the fans because of what we had been singing at him for most of the game, nothing more nothing less. We treated him like poo and he rammed it rite back at us, we got what we deserved and i can live with that.

 

The lad loves Everton but when 40,000 volatile Evertonians turn against you theres not many who can withstand the pressure. I'l still slate him next season tho' as i said before its my job to put him off his game!

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He celebrated at the fans because of what we had been singing at him for most of the game, nothing more nothing less. We treated him like poo and he rammed it rite back at us, we got what we deserved and i can live with that.

 

The lad loves Everton but when 40,000 volatile Evertonians turn against you theres not many who can withstand the pressure. I'l still slate him next season tho' as i said before its my job to put him off his game!

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I agree, i cant be too mad at him for celebrating like he did after all the songs we sang at him i know i wouldnt have been able to handle it

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IMO he should have done a Robbie Keane, when Robbie scored against Wolves, just ran pick the ball up told other people to piss off when they came over to celebrate, but the ball down in the circle and get the game going again. Now thats real love for a club that made someone.

 

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dont forget cahill did the same when he scored against millwall. put his hands up and kept his celebration to a minimum

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Knowing this makes me feel a little sorry for him, if i had been in his position id be heart broken tbh

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same ere :angry:

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Don't get me wrong it is a good conversation but it just brings out the old feelings I had for him :(

 

As for the stick, seriously what does anybody expect? If your a footballer you are going to get stick. You get paid to do a job and thats part of it, hey I don't mind even getting paid one grand a week to run around and get stick for only 90mins. If he can't deal with it he shouldn't have become a footballer.

 

All what I'm saying is that I lost a lot of respect for him that day when he celebrated like that. If you got 'forced' out of Everton and the fans give you stick, I'd prove them wrong about that and act like I said he should. As you say he's an Everton fan so he 'should' understand how we feel.

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Yeah but he must also have known that Everton were gonna keep it quiet so he can hardly blame the fans for not knowing about it.

 

Anyway I blame Gary Neville, can just imagine him down Rooneys ear in Portugal "think you should join us, we got great training fascilities, blah blah manc accent blah" :P

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Anyway I blame Gary Neville, can just imagine him down Rooneys ear in Portugal "think you should join us, we got great training fascilities, blah blah manc accent blah"  :P

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I bet it kills him that his brother plays for a scouse team, even though we're not the hated reds.

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Have seen it said on here that the board wanted to sell him.............an utter load of bollox, they offered him 50 grand a week at 18 years old, the highest offer in the Clubs history, trying to keep him

 

Have also seen it said that he didnt want to go..............another load of Bollox, after the club had done all they could to keep him, he asked for a transfer.

 

Make no mistake he didnt want to stay, he wanted to go and play on a bigger stage, i dont blame him for that, but to tell everybody "Once a blue always a Blue"

and then refuse a 50k wage, and ask for a transfer, he wants F##kin.

 

He is without doubt a Great player, but i've got no time for him, and i wish Big Dunc could have dragged him up a dark alley before he went, and give him a f##kin good pasting.

 

Licker.

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He is without doubt a Great player, but i've got no time for him, and i wish  Big Dunc could have dragged him up a dark alley before he went, and give him a f##kin good pasting.

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:lol::lol::lol:

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Have seen it said on here that the board wanted to sell him.............an utter  load of bollox, they offered him 50 grand a week at 18 years old, the highest offer in the Clubs history,  trying to keep him

 

Have also seen it said that he didnt want to go..............another load of Bollox, after the club had done all they could to keep him, he asked for a transfer.

 

Make no mistake he didnt want to stay, he wanted to go and play on a bigger stage, i dont blame him for that, but to tell everybody "Once a blue always a Blue"

and then refuse a 50k wage, and ask for a transfer, he wants F##kin.

 

He is without doubt a Great player, but i've got no time for him, and i wish  Big Dunc could have dragged him up a dark alley before he went, and give him a f##kin good pasting.

 

Licker.

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lol now that would have been worth dunc going to jail for :D

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Have seen it said on here that the board wanted to sell him.............an utter  load of bollox, they offered him 50 grand a week at 18 years old, the highest offer in the Clubs history,  trying to keep him

 

Have also seen it said that he didnt want to go..............another load of Bollox, after the club had done all they could to keep him, he asked for a transfer.

 

Make no mistake he didnt want to stay, he wanted to go and play on a bigger stage, i dont blame him for that, but to tell everybody "Once a blue always a Blue"

and then refuse a 50k wage, and ask for a transfer, he wants F##kin.

 

He is without doubt a Great player, but i've got no time for him, and i wish  Big Dunc could have dragged him up a dark alley before he went, and give him a f##kin good pasting.

 

Licker.

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;) totally agree licker iff he wanted to stay why did he not come out and say it publicly, al tell you why he wanted to fig off, he handed in a transfer request rooney, so all this poo about him forced out is bollocks even moysie came out publicly and said he wanted rooney to stay,al let you into a secret my daughter seen rooney in town last year and was wearing the blue shirt of Everton,when rooney and his bird walked passed and he smiled at her but the best is she stood their and turned her back to him , soon put his head down ;) you never turn your back on your own and hes not ;) forced out bollocks <_<

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In the words of the song

 

There's no hard feelings,

There's no feelings at all!

 

I'm prepared to let it go but think he should make the first move (not to me personally).

The way he celebrated last season though made me sick and the season before when he was getting stick off the Park End he grabbed his manc badge which I can only assume he meant as a gesture of 'love' for his new club.

 

Ok he get's stick off the fans but this is supposed o be a club he loved?? Guess money talks a bit louder than loyalty.

 

Anyhoo fixtures out tomorra..CMON!!!

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What you said Licker.

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Licker, i was about to post something very similar to that, Everton wanted to keep him IMO, once the lads mind is made up though why shouldnt we get money out of the little sod. He could have stayed, this sh*te about age is unbelievable, hes 2 years my elder and i would say no to signing for any club(if i was already at Everton of course).

 

The celebration was a bit back at his the fans that loved him, but what did he expcect us to do when he left clap and shout no hard feelings?

 

I dont feel sorry for the fat little pr*ck and I will make him feel unwelcome at Goodison till he retires :)

 

Great footballer, cannot question that but as a 'Evertonian' i have no time for him.

 

Once a blue always a blue...my arse

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i was gunna read through all the posts, but everyone has so many views id be here all nite.

 

i believe he is still an Evertonian at heart, and he was sold, not asked to leave. he did the world of good to the club by bringing in the money. but lets not forget what his family went through because of all this, some of them wont talk to him due to the torture they recieved. his actions when he scored against us was only a reaction (and he never looked interested in that game, apart from the goal). i also think he may play for us again one day (albeit when hes past his best)

 

the once a blue always a blue thing was blown up big time, but i still believe this.

 

but the hardest pill for me to swallow is the mismanagement of our club for the past decade caused us to lose the most promising talent of our generation. we will not see such a raw talent like this for a long time. his actions as a boy living the only dream he ever had showed his passion when he cried scoring a goal, i just wish he was still scoring goals in the blue shirt

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We all know deep down that he had NOTHING to do with that transfer and that it was all stewed up by the EFC board - even down to the timing so that we could keep the banks happy and not the team...(bank was knocking on the door).

 

 

I DONT BELIEVE THAT FOR ONE MOMENT!

 

he knew that big clubs wanted him, he didnt like taking advice from his manager about the stupid behaviour in his private life, and he took off for the money.

 

no doubt he got plenty of encouragement from his new agent, he fired the old one.

 

like a lot of youngsters in his position its hard to resist the lure of ca$h, and the chance to prove to your old boss that your bigger than him and the club.

 

we were well rid of the obnoxious little poo, and the money bailed us out of a difficult situation.

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Ola    0
We all know deep down that he had NOTHING to do with that transfer and that it was all stewed up by the EFC board - even down to the timing so that we could keep the banks happy and not the team...(bank was knocking on the door).

I DONT BELIEVE THAT FOR ONE MOMENT!

 

he knew that big clubs wanted him, he didnt like taking advice from his manager about the stupid behaviour in his private life, and he took off for the money.

 

no doubt he got plenty of encouragement from his new agent, he fired the old one.

 

like a lot of youngsters in his position its hard to resist the lure of ca$h, and the chance to prove to your old  boss that your bigger than him and the club.

 

we were well rid of the obnoxious little poo, and the money bailed us out of a difficult situation.

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:D here here ;)

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no, id rather not mate. we all have our feling on the Rooney situation, id rather not get anymore involved. dont wanna be argueing with each other now do we? ;)

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no, id rather not mate. we all have our feling on the Rooney situation, id rather not get anymore involved. dont wanna be argueing with each other now do we? ;)

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It's not an arguement, it's a brief and frank exchange of views. Post you big girls blouse.

 

ATB

 

Mac

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i know its not an arguement, but im way over opinionated, and this subject a very touchy one.

 

so, nope fellas, ill leave this alone!

 

(until a red sh1te comes on :lol: then ill be shooting balloons with arrows)

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