BlueBlood81 Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 Just out of Interest Niki who's being mentioned in the Rangers transfer rumour thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 4, 2014 Report Share Posted June 4, 2014 (edited) I think the biggest concern people seem to be having with Welbeck is that he doesn't score goals, either because he's a shit finisher or because he isn't a threat in the box. But this Youtube clip showing his goals from this season seems to suggest that if he is played up front rather than out wide, that he is going to get in goalscoring positions in that central area in the box right in front of goal. Those are the goals you can repeat year in and year out. I don't see much luck involved either. There's some luck in how he gets into the position to score against Norwich, but he shows fine composure for someone who's supposedly the worst finisher in Premier League history. The goal at 00:47 might result from bad defending, a player that isn't as fast and doesn't have that first touch down still wouldn't score. Look at the linkup play at 1:52, at 2:08. Or at 0:39 or 0:42 in this clip. At 2:10 you can see an instance of his touch on a difficult pass coming at him through the air with a defender all over his back btw. You should look at the entire second clip btw to see his skill on the ball and on several occasions really good decision making. Also, you can't compare Lukaku playing on the wing against Arsenal to how Welbeck plays on the wing for Man U. Our entire set up that game was meant to create even more space for Lukaku than he'd normally have. With Cazorla not tracking back and Sagna thus having to step out at Baines, Mirallas hugging the touchline drawing one centre back over and Naismith making runs in the channel on that side of the pitch as well thus occupying the other centre back. That way Lukaku was isolated against Monreal and he had 50% of the width entire pitch to take him out. Yeh I do think he will score goals and those goals are predatory goals which as you say will come year in year out hence why I do think he would be a reasonable purchase and get us 10 ish goals a year. What I was trying to get at and probably not very well is that they are your traditional CF goals, all ones I would expect Lula for instance to also be able to score. There is some shocking defending and GK on some of them (which will happen no matter what) and then the very fortuitous (villa, Norwich and the one he diverts from another shot) but again that happens. It's probably more coincidence that it has happen in this season's goals. Another thing worth noting is how none of those goals have come in the big games. He scored from a set piece in Madrid and he should have scored in Munich but they are all against your lower level prem teams. I know and that's why I highlighted it as a one off but that's not to say that Welbeck would not have enjoyed the same benefits having played out wide in periods of the season. Sometimes it wouldn't have helped but there would have been times where it did. You can't have it both ways Edited June 4, 2014 by Bailey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_E Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) Yeh I do think he will score goals and those goals are predatory goals which as you say will come year in year out hence why I do think he would be a reasonable purchase and get us 10 ish goals a year. What I was trying to get at and probably not very well is that they are your traditional CF goals, all ones I would expect Lula for instance to also be able to score. There is some shocking defending and GK on some of them (which will happen no matter what) and then the very fortuitous (villa, Norwich and the one he diverts from another shot) but again that happens. It's probably more coincidence that it has happen in this season's goals. Another thing worth noting is how none of those goals have come in the big games. He scored from a set piece in Madrid and he should have scored in Munich but they are all against your lower level prem teams. I know and that's why I highlighted it as a one off but that's not to say that Welbeck would not have enjoyed the same benefits having played out wide in periods of the season. Sometimes it wouldn't have helped but there would have been times where it did. You can't have it both ways Him scoring traditional CF goals would have been a good thing, I thought. There's a goal against Spurs in there btw and he's scored against Real, City, Arsenal and Chelsea (and Spurs) in the past as well. If he's going to play CF more, he's gonna score more goals, including against the top sides. And you mentioned something in your earlier post about him being better further out from goal, which is exactly why I would want him. We need a centre forward that can drop into space, create an overload so we can play our way forward while someone (Barkley/Naismith or the wide men) can make an off-bal run in behind him. I don't think Welbeck was ever in the same position as the one we managed to put Lukaku in against Arsenal to be honest. We designed our entire game plan around forcing that matchup which isn't something you would do if you had van Persie, Rooney and Mata in the team (that is if Moyes could even think so far out of the box in the first place). Edited June 5, 2014 by Steve_E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 Good points Steve but I am still to be convinced. Let's just agree to only partly agree ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcopaulo Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 you're all wankers who know the square root of fuck all :shaking fist: EFC-Paul and Steve_E 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EFC-Paul Posted June 5, 2014 Report Share Posted June 5, 2014 (edited) Opinion - (a view or judgement formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge.) Let's just say some rate the lad as a potentially good signing and some do not, you can't definitively say he would be a good signing or not until or if it happens. Made my eyes bleed reading through all that bollocks! Edited June 5, 2014 by EFC-Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 He's been told he can leave apparently http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11050696/Danny-Welbeck-told-he-can-leave-Manchester-United-which-could-spark-interest-from-Arsenal-and-Tottenham.html I would still have him in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevO Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I'd take him, not a massive goal scorer, but he will work hard and link up play. Rather him than Eto'o. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 For £15m!! Not a chance. £8m and i'm in. Kant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 For £15m!! Not a chance. £8m and i'm in. Would be a perfect loan to buy in my opinion. Lowensda and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Would be a perfect loan to buy in my opinion. Agreed but not if the buying price at the end is 15m! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I don't fancy him at all so it's a no from me. pete0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Matt Posted August 22, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I don't fancy him at all so it's a no from me. What if we get him in a dress and slap on some rouge? Steve_E, Paddock, chicagoblue and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 What if we get him in a dress and slap on some rouge? Now you're talking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBlood81 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 For £15m!! Not a chance. £8m and i'm in. Spot on Ten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Spot on Ten He said 8 not ten! Sibdane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthTXBlue Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 A young striker with enormous upside and some proven ability. This guy is my top choice. But I've heard the asking price is outrageous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthTXBlue Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Spot on TenShould have read this before my post. 100% agree with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueboy122 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 £15M They must be joking. £5-8M tops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lowensda Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 £15M They must be joking. £5-8M tops Just quote me buddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I'd love to know if there was anything left in the pot. For me I don't really want welbeck. A loan deal maybe but wouldn't want to spend a serious amount of cash on him. Sideliner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 I have just read a lot more dribble from you pal and I have to admit..... I take back my last post. If you took it personally I am now so happy. You seem to think you are a very educated person and that your intelligence is of a superior level than most here... The fact you seem to have a reason why everyone's opinion is flawed and have also on several occasions corrected many people... Well get you! Simple fact for me is that of all the people you have questioned.... Other than me, I admit I am of low intelligence and knowledge, but I value their opinions more as they are more in tune with football than most people I know You admit you are a deep thinker, could I suggest over thinker? And I mean that as no insult. Just something to think about... But not too much ;-) he's not well educated, he just has Google. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 he's not well educated, he just has Google. #twat . iv'e been on the receiving end of his many education lessons. If the ladyboy spent less time with his head in a book and morettime watching everton he wouldn't chat so much shite. Sorry,,,I say as I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC11 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Fuckin hell mate. Did you climb down into the vaults to quote the above. Nikica has been gone for a couple of months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Angel Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Fuckin hell mate. Did you climb down into the vaults to quote the above. Nikica has been gone for a couple of months Thats me joking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c1982 Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) Updated story with more of a link to EFC http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11050696/Danny-Welbeck-told-he-can-leave-Manchester-United-which-could-spark-interest-from-Arsenal-and-Tottenham.html Edit: The original link has been updated it seems. Edited August 22, 2014 by c1982 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J*A*C*K*E*L*Z Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) Id be buzzing if we got him on loan like. Be the last peice of the puzzle and we would be ready for the season then... Edited August 22, 2014 by Jackelz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 #twat . iv'e been on the receiving end of his many education lessons. If the ladyboy spent less time with his head in a book and morettime watching everton he wouldn't chat so much shite. Sorry,,,I say as I see. Bloody hell where did that come from? I know we had a bit of a spat a few months ago but not sure what I've done to upset you this time haha. Feel a little flattered I mean so much to you though mate x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeO Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Bloody hell where did that come from? I know we had a bit of a spat a few months ago but not sure what I've done to upset you this time haha. Feel a little flattered I mean so much to you though mate x Think he was talking Nikica, not you. Thats me joking. ....has to go down as the least convincing save in the history of internet forums . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Haha was wandering what I had done this time. Could understand if I had made a late post on a Friday night after a bottle of wine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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