Aidan Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 After paying 30 million for Pickford I don't think it'll be us being the awkward ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 I trust Koeman and if he wants him pay the poxy 5 million extra and get him in so we can move on to getting a striker and our other targets. Crazy isn't it when footballs got to the position where we're saying "pay the 5mil extra, it's nothing" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Crazy isn't it when footballs got to the position where we're saying "pay the 5mil extra, it's nothing" What if....we cant afford the extra £5m.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Crazy isn't it when footballs got to the position where we're saying "pay the 5mil extra, it's nothing" True, I never thought I would be saying pay the extra 5 million as an Everton fan lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 What if....we cant afford the extra £5m.... Don't think Koeman would have signed for us if there wasn't money in the bank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 What if....we cant afford the extra £5m.... Doubt that mate- we could put it in the add ons so we didn't have to pay it up front anyway if we were short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaiah Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 he's missed every friendly We should knock another million off the price because they've deprived him of match fitness for the start of the season. Take the piss and bid 39 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Move on let Swansea sell him next window we need a target man more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gwlad Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 I'm not convinced he's worth 50 mil and don't think we should be held to ransom by a little club like Swansea. It's like buying a car, call their bluff, walk away. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Tiger Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Respectfully, I strongly disagree with your assessment. For one, we have bid 40m+ which is considerably more than Everton have ever bid for any player. This alone should prove we are willing to splash the cash. The idea that because we have significantly more money we should just pay whatever clubs want is a bit misguided in my opinion. If we get a reputation for being a club who is weak in negotiation we would regularly be taken advantage of. It can be frustrating to not get a player because of a few million but those millions we save are going to add up and help improve the club in the long run. Almost everyone agrees that Sig is being priced too high so I don't quite get the criticism when our management agrees and tries to get a better deal. Either you misunderstood my point or I did a terrible job of making it.. I'm very much in favor of us holding the line at 40m. I like Siggy a lot, and I think he'd help solidify what is currently an unproven group of options going forward, but 40m is already a hell of a fee for him. My point about the lack of spending stands though. We haven't splurged any cash whatsoever, and we have three glaring holes that we need filled. Either this saga is about far more than 5m, or we're legitimately dragging this out over 5m. I'm leaning towards the former, but if it's the latter then I don't think it makes mumch of a case for us being big spenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Tiger Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 After paying 30 million for Pickford I don't think it'll be us being the awkward ones. We paid 30m for pickford (as well as the fee for klaasen) knowing full well that the Lukaku sale would cover all of it. Koeman took a shot at the money for a reason - I don't think we're ready to splash the cash the way that we've postured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Well fact is we have had bids of 49m + turned down, so we are definitely ready to spend it. If teams refuse to sell or players don't want to come, it's not really our fault. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cornish Steve Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Either you misunderstood my point or I did a terrible job of making it.. I'm very much in favor of us holding the line at 40m. I like Siggy a lot, and I think he'd help solidify what is currently an unproven group of options going forward, but 40m is already a hell of a fee for him. My point about the lack of spending stands though. We haven't splurged any cash whatsoever, and we have three glaring holes that we need filled. Either this saga is about far more than 5m, or we're legitimately dragging this out over 5m. I'm leaning towards the former, but if it's the latter then I don't think it makes mumch of a case for us being big spenders. You're right that we've not splashed more cash than we have, but I have no problem with that? Too many teams spend beyond their means. We appear to have spent well. Plus, the real investment, and longer term investment, in the team is a new stadium. That will put us on a much stronger financial foundation, and that will really bolster spending in future years. rubecula 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubecula Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Well fact is we have had bids of 49m + turned down, so we are definitely ready to spend it. If teams refuse to sell or players don't want to come, it's not really our fault. not sure on the amount but the point is well made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 not sure on the amount but the point is well made Normally we make those bids on deadline day and Bill comes out the next day with a "we almost had him"... a bit like Sissoko! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonButtle Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) Normally we make those bids on deadline day and Bill comes out the next day with a "we almost had him"... a bit like Sissoko! That was under his tenure when we had absolutly no money whatsoever, under Moshiri we should (in theory) be getting our targets as we have been told the manager has money to spend. If Bill starts coming out with that nonsense again i can see some of the fans not being too happy tbh. Edited August 9, 2017 by Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn balor Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 I think koeman will be fuming this deal is not done. We all know our first six games are killers and we need to fill the goals lost by lukaku. Gilfi will not be fully fit until he plays a few games when he could have been up and running. I just think with the tracks we made at the start knowing the price we should have just paid it as a signal of intent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 I think koeman will be fuming this deal is not done. We all know our first six games are killers and we need to fill the goals lost by lukaku. Gilfi will not be fully fit until he plays a few games when he could have been up and running. I just think with the tracks we made at the start knowing the price we should have just paid it as a signal of intent. What intent would that signal though? Our intent to have our pants pulled down by every selling club? markjazzbassist, Romey 1878 and Matt 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 What intent would that signal though? Our intent to have our pants pulled down by every selling club? Exactly. It's a tough market at the moment. Prices are daft. You openly pay OTT for one player from a club, you can guarantee the next player you target will be the same. I'm sure Koeman understands this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shukes Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 not sure on the amount but the point is well made Sorry, clumsy fingers haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks FC Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) What intent would that signal though? Our intent to have our pants pulled down by every selling club? We paid the asking price for Keane and Pickford without argument. Both are good players with great potential, but Keane was on his last 12 months and Pickford was going to the Championship, if we wanted to drag them on for weeks we probably could have but it was more important (obviously) to get them done early than faffing around. While I don't want us to get dudded, at the same time we are playing 5 games in 15 days, 2 of those being against City and Chelsea away and wedging a trip to Croatia between them. The player hasn't played a minute of pre-season football. If we had wrapped this up weeks ago he could have been up to speed and gelling with the squad. The friendlies and Europa qualifiers showed our attack is probably the weakest area of the squad at the moment. Edited August 9, 2017 by Sparks FC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 Exactly. It's a tough market at the moment. Prices are daft. You openly pay OTT for one player from a club, you can guarantee the next player you target will be the same. I'm sure Koeman understands this. I think that moment has long gone. We have paid big money for others answer made a big money offer too. We have also received a fair wedge so teams will hold out for more. You have to balance whether a couple of extra mil is Worth the potential disruption to the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 We paid the asking price for Keane and Pickford without argument. Both are good players with great potential, but Keane was on his last 12 months and Pickford was going to the Championship, if we wanted to drag them on for weeks we probably could have but it was more important (obviously) to get them done early than faffing around. While I don't want us to get dudded, at the same time we are playing 5 games in 15 days, 2 of those being against City and Chelsea away and wedging a trip to Croatia between them. The player hasn't played a minute of pre-season football. If we had wrapped this up weeks ago he could have been up to speed and gelling with the squad. The friendlies and Europa qualifiers showed our attack is probably the weakest area of the squad at the moment. He has played a preseason game but that's by the by. We may well have paid slightly over the odds for Keane and Pickford but they are both young England internationals who we could get another 10 years out of Sigurdsson is a quality player but we would be lucky to get 4 seasons out of him and we have already offered way over the odds for him For what it's worth I think we will still get him and I think Swansea will get close to their asking price , but it will come at a cost to them because it will be too late in the window for them to reinvest For every Evertonian saying just pay the extra £5m I bet there is a Swansea fan saying just accept the £45m so that they can bring their own players in Romey 1878 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Blue Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 For every Evertonian saying just pay the extra £5m I bet there is a Swansea fan saying just accept the £45m so that they can bring their own players in That's exactly what they are saying on their forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Tiger Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 (edited) That's exactly what they are saying on their forums. Yes because it's important for everyone to get players training and into the squad. Everyone thinks that overpaying once means teams will force us to overpay forever. The market is the market. Strike a hard bargain in January. We have an incredibly tough stretch coming now. Get your players in, get your squad ready, and don't ruin European football in the first three weeks of the season, Edited August 10, 2017 by Matt Tiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newty82 Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Yes because it's important for everyone to get players training and into the squad. Everyone thinks that overpaying once means teams will force us to overpay forever. The market is the market. Strike a hard bargain in January. We have an incredibly tough stretch coming now. Get your players in, get your squad ready, and don't ruin European football in the first three weeks of the season, You tend to pay even more in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncanmckenzieismagic Posted August 10, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 I really want this deal to go through but if Everton walked away from it now I would fully understand and not blame the Board at all, it's all very similar to the Brahimi deal last summer and we were right to walk away then aaron and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tristagi Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 Yup. As nice as it would be to add his class to the squad, its time to crap or get off the pot. Understand the message the board is sending but either sign him or move on to the next target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainbeaker Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 without him Swansea will struggle to stay in the league, so I see why they want as much as they can, but he will have little resale value so our board is right to set a maximum limit and I'm sure there are other players as good out there for the same or less money, just may not have the same premier league experience. Another striker definitely should be the priority Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddock Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 I'm firmly in the camp of - if the manager wants him then go and get him. If we really are 5 million off agreeing and it's his No1 taget then fuck it- just get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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