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18 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

the ball doesn't go through the middle, we play it out to the flanks and then bring in a cross.  when we play more on the counter we play through the middle and then gylfi is the one threading passes and creating for our attacking players.  it was one game, not a big deal.  

I think there has to be a way to play more to his strengths, as there are plenty of them, and he has scored some of the most sublime goals for us since he's been here, the curled shot in to the corner against Fulham for his first, and his second when the goalie was rooted to the ground, the FA cup equaliser against the shite, and against Leicester of course.

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19 hours ago, c1982 said:

Gylfi could have easily had 2 assists yesterday too. Richarlison should have finished both free headers.

I agree, his performance was poor, but I doubt we’d be talking about it had Richarlison done his job and we’d won 3-0.

I would hope we would tbh. We can't just shoehorn a player into the 11 because he can take a free kick. 

I think he plays too advanced. He doesn't find space through the middle because he has defenders packed around him, he plays very centrally and DCL doesn't do enough ahead of him to create space for him to drop into and then Richarlison and Bernard are also eating into the space he has. Our play was so narrow, it's no surprise that it's an issue. If you look at our pitch map for the weekend it's Siggy furthest forward, and all 11 players are within the width of the 18 yard box. Richarlison is the only one who holds his width. Coleman might have to be fair but he is skewed by switching flank. He should be much closer to the midfield allowing the wingers more opportunity to find the gaps between the full back and centre back.

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18 minutes ago, Bailey said:

I would hope we would tbh. We can't just shoehorn a player into the 11 because he can take a free kick. 

I think he plays too advanced. He doesn't find space through the middle because he has defenders packed around him, he plays very centrally and DCL doesn't do enough ahead of him to create space for him to drop into and then Richarlison and Bernard are also eating into the space he has. Our play was so narrow, it's no surprise that it's an issue. If you look at our pitch map for the weekend it's Siggy furthest forward, and all 11 players are within the width of the 18 yard box. Richarlison is the only one who holds his width. Coleman might have to be fair but he is skewed by switching flank. He should be much closer to the midfield allowing the wingers more opportunity to find the gaps between the full back and centre back.

you make a fair point Bailey that DCL could be the one holding back Siggy's usefulness.  They both work hard and press, let's put Kean above Siggy making runs and getting in the box and maybe Gylfi will be threading more passes through.

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5 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

the ball doesn't go through the middle, we play it out to the flanks and then bring in a cross.  when we play more on the counter we play through the middle and then gylfi is the one threading passes and creating for our attacking players.  it was one game, not a big deal.  

His anonymity isn't a one off. Many a game he went unnoticed last year unless he scored or assisted. 

1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

you make a fair point Bailey that DCL could be the one holding back Siggy's usefulness.  They both work hard and press, let's put Kean above Siggy making runs and getting in the box and maybe Gylfi will be threading more passes through.

If anything DCL makes it easier for Sigurdssen, he's got the legs to press and constantly drags players to create space. Sigurdssen'a biggest flaws are his off and pace though so he doesn't take advantage. I'd move him to the wing to get him more involved or drop him for Iwobi or drop the system altogether and go 442. 

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2 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

you make a fair point Bailey that DCL could be the one holding back Siggy's usefulness.  They both work hard and press, let's put Kean above Siggy making runs and getting in the box and maybe Gylfi will be threading more passes through.

I’d actually put it the other way: Sigurdsson is holding back DC-L. As I’ve mentioned before, good player though he is, Sigurdsson makes our team unbalanced. 

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he will be just like gana, when he leaves people will be shitting themselves wishing they could take back all the things they've said about him.  just like lukaku too.  he puts it in the net and had a decent amount of assists last year, he will agian this year.  he's a good player.

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Steve and Baily both make good points, not sure which is correct maybe a little bit of both. But possibly just the combination of their strengths and weaknesses and how they play make Siggy and DCL not an ideal 10-9 combo. I guess we will know as the season goes on and see different pairings. Maybe DCL comes to life with Iwobi at the 10, maybe Siggy creates havoc with Kean at the 9 or such

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8 minutes ago, Romey 1878 said:

Hopefully last night is the last time for a good long while that he starts a game for us.

I would love to see a run of 3 or 4 games without him and see how we shape up.

We looked much better when he went of last night.

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I’ve been a big fan and defender of the guy, but it’s not working for him at the moment. As has been mentioned, Iwobi provided more threat in his cameo than Gylfi has in the last few games. I think he’s still a very good player, but either he’s getting complacent knowing he’s a guaranteed name on the team list or that miss at Palace has knocked his confidence. Either way, dropping him should do us and him the world of good 

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iwobi was played on the left, he came on for bernard.  as always gylfi is the scape goat.  gomes and morgan were getting run through, but it's gylfi fault.  DCL couldn't score open goals but it's gylfis fault.  i would have like to have seen gomes go for iwobi and dcl go for kean and then see how gylfi does with some players around him that arent static, but as always he will be blamed for global warming next probably.

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Just now, markjazzbassist said:

iwobi was played on the left, he came on for bernard.  as always gylfi is the scape goat.  gomes and morgan were getting run through, but it's gylfi fault.  DCL couldn't score open goals but it's gylfis fault.  i would have like to have seen gomes go for iwobi and dcl go for kean and then see how gylfi does with some players around him that arent static, but as always he will be blamed for global warming next probably.

Iwobi was all across the front line. No one is blaming Gylfi for the others failing, but doesn’t absolve him of his ineffectiveness the last few games. 

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Gylfi is completely out of sorts at the moment he’s either not happy or Silva’s tactics don’t suit him, but what ever is going on it’s causing him to play very poorly, and he missed a sitter against Palace as bad as DCL and Walcott for 3 points. 

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3 hours ago, Finn balor said:

Gilfi is in the team to create chances and score goals. In the three matches he hasn’t come close to that. If he’s not producing he needs to be dropped and that applies to everyone. 

perhaps you missed the one two in the box where richy fluffed it, or the other 1 2 where digne fluffed it.  he can't assist and score the goals all by himself.

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Perhaps I missed his effort against palace aswell? The fact is he is our record signing and was bought to make a difference in tight games. He isn’t doing that and I don’t think he should be guaranteed a shirt. It was good to see him getting the hook last night 

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On 25/08/2019 at 09:28, FairWooney said:

Gylfi looked very static and I rarely saw him contribute much.  he did create a couple of things but was very rarely involved in the game.  touched the ball 37 times in an hour (Bernard did much less and didn't really seem to be making the movement and showing for it in a game where their sat back and he's in the perfect position to make things happen.  Both he and Gomez were guility of not contributing effectively to create things around the edge of the box.

Personally I thought Iwobi looked more lively when he came on and i'd like to see him get a start in the middle in the league cup and if he plays well then he should start in the next league game.  Kean should also start in the league cup and if they work well then they should both be starting at the weekend.  We looked a lot more dynamic and created more in the box when they were on.

Was wondering how well he would do in the middle for us the other day. I'm not sure if Silva has this in his plans though as I think he said he would be purchased to play on the left.

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I think he’d Be open to him playing in the middle and I’m sure he’s been mentioned as such in the past as an extra option to Sig.  I think he looked like he’d do better there than on the wing to be honest and if we had a front 4 of Bernard, Richarlison, iwobi and Kean then I think that would give us plenty of quick movement going forward 

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Sigurdsson seemed to be a bit more motivated and involved against Lincoln, albeit sporadically. Looking forward to see him running on all four cylinders again pretty soon. We have a few players a little off-kilter at the minute; if we can get the pieces to fall into position it would make a world of difference, and we'd see a completely different Everton.

 

 

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Did he not just look a bit better because he was playing against lesser players? Maybe it was because he had Kean alongside him instead?

He was certainly more involved, and was good when he dropped deeper but I'm not holding my breath.

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6 hours ago, markjazzbassist said:

can't believe we won with him in the side.  it's a miracle

No one hates Gylfi Mark - but he has done the square root of fuck all in the first 3 games bar put 2 balls on richarlison’s head. Everyone’s is simply screaming for him to get involved or a system to force him to get involved because when he does get on the ball it’s normally quality.

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where i differ is that i don't believe that is his fault.  when a CF isn't getting service we don't blame them, we blame the midfield.  i saw him do the same things at Lincoln he does every week.  Tries to put balls int he box for others to run onto, tries 1-2's, and presses from the front.  the only difference this time was the result of the people on the other end of those balls namely the hockey assist he had for the goal.

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2 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

where i differ is that i don't believe that is his fault.  when a CF isn't getting service we don't blame them, we blame the midfield.  i saw him do the same things at Lincoln he does every week.  Tries to put balls int he box for others to run onto, tries 1-2's, and presses from the front.  the only difference this time was the result of the people on the other end of those balls namely the hockey assist he had for the goal.

He looked like a completely different player against Lincoln. 

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

where i differ is that i don't believe that is his fault.  when a CF isn't getting service we don't blame them, we blame the midfield.  i saw him do the same things at Lincoln he does every week.  Tries to put balls int he box for others to run onto, tries 1-2's, and presses from the front.  the only difference this time was the result of the people on the other end of those balls namely the hockey assist he had for the goal.

I just want more from him. My pet peeve with him is when our CM’s have it with a compact team in front and he sits central in front marked out the game - he is not only taking himself out the game but also the ball into the CF’s feet. In this situation he needs to move sharply 5 yards either side, open that channel then move towards the CF for the sharp lay off and either look to shoot or feed a winger making a third man run.

Football is simple really.

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He certainly played out wide on the right a lot more. He and Richarlison kept swapping positions to get him more involved in the game. While his crossing out there is quality, I doubt he’d be getting the same amount of time and space against premier league level full-backs though. 

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5 minutes ago, Vranny said:

He certainly played out wide on the right a lot more. He and Richarlison kept swapping positions to get him more involved in the game. While his crossing out there is quality, I doubt he’d be getting the same amount of time and space against premier league level full-backs though. 

He doesn’t need time or space to do something incredible though - ask Maddison from Leicester! Just get on the ball more and make things happen.

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1 hour ago, Finn balor said:

I don’t think he’s the whipping boy I just think he deserves Critism just like everybody else. As our most expensive player he has needed to do more and create more. On Sunday he did that. Was it the change in formation that allowed him to get into those pockets out wide? Was it the Iwobi and kean? Or maybe was it due to the new players he now knows he’s not guaranteed a game ever week? 

Maybe a mix of all three, whatever long may it continue👍

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On 06/09/2019 at 03:39, Finn balor said:

I don’t think he’s the whipping boy I just think he deserves Critism just like everybody else. As our most expensive player he has needed to do more and create more. On Sunday he did that. Was it the change in formation that allowed him to get into those pockets out wide? Was it the Iwobi and kean? Or maybe was it due to the new players he now knows he’s not guaranteed a game ever week? 

It was definitely a ploy to get him into the wide right area as we now have an aerial threat in Iwobi from the left. Put him against a short full back and he'll win it every time.

It's under rated to have a winger who can come in and head the ball. We have two now.

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just a thought if we really are truly moving on from gylfi, you have to think Brands is going to try and offload him this winter or upcoming summer.  He's 30 and still has a lot of playing left in him.  I'd imagine we could get back 20m or so and at least not be stuck with the massive wages.  otherwise it becomes another run down former asset that is counting down till contract end date.  thoughts?

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

just a thought if we really are truly moving on from gylfi, you have to think Brands is going to try and offload him this winter or upcoming summer.  He's 30 and still has a lot of playing left in him.  I'd imagine we could get back 20m or so and at least not be stuck with the massive wages.  otherwise it becomes another run down former asset that is counting down till contract end date.  thoughts?

Are we though or is it just fans who think he’s not working out for us? I’d rather keep him, even playing from the bench a super sub who could get 10 goals a season is worth more than £20m plus wages IMO

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1 minute ago, Wiggytop said:

Are we though or is it just fans who think he’s not working out for us? I’d rather keep him, even playing from the bench a super sub who could get 10 goals a season is worth more than £20m plus wages IMO

i totally get that and i love gylfi.  i'm just thinking more balance sheet Brands type thinking, large asset on the bench, woulnd't it make more sense if he stays on the bench this year to move him on and get something back and invest in players that will work for us and start or be younger and be cheaper and grow into a valuable asset.  that's where i'm coming from line of thinking, not saying i agree with it, just i wonder if Brands is pondering a sale soon because of it.

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1 hour ago, markjazzbassist said:

just a thought if we really are truly moving on from gylfi, you have to think Brands is going to try and offload him this winter or upcoming summer.  He's 30 and still has a lot of playing left in him.  I'd imagine we could get back 20m or so and at least not be stuck with the massive wages.  otherwise it becomes another run down former asset that is counting down till contract end date.  thoughts?

As far as January is concerned, no way. We will need bodies the rest of this season, even though Id expect us to sign some cover in midfield now, even with Gbamin due back. 

As for next summer... Yeah I'd sell. The great things he does are great but he's a luxury player imo, and we can't carry one of those if we want to get out of the rut we're in. 

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47 minutes ago, markjazzbassist said:

i don't think it will happen.  morgan will be the busquets sitter, davies and gylfi/iwobi the more advanced mids in the 3.

It will depend how he wants to go. If you play with one DM you don't play with a 10 so that would rule out Iwobi in that role IMO but he may go back to two DMs and have Davies and Delph sitting with one of Siggy or Iwobi ahead. 

He could go with Morgan deepest with Delph and Davies ahead but I don't think Delph has the legs for it. Plus it's probably the least creative midfield we could put out. 

I thought the 3 we had against Spurs worked well even if it didn't really ignite. It looked as though they were building into the game when the injury occured and I don't see any reason why Siggy can't play the same type of role as Gomes in a 3 (I wouldn't want to see him in a 2). I would actually go as far as to say that if Siggy does actually want to continue his career in the Premier League then that is a role he needs to learn and learn quickly because there aren't many teams that facilitate an out and out 10 these days.

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2 hours ago, Bailey said:

It will depend how he wants to go. If you play with one DM you don't play with a 10 so that would rule out Iwobi in that role IMO but he may go back to two DMs and have Davies and Delph sitting with one of Siggy or Iwobi ahead. 

He could go with Morgan deepest with Delph and Davies ahead but I don't think Delph has the legs for it. Plus it's probably the least creative midfield we could put out. 

I thought the 3 we had against Spurs worked well even if it didn't really ignite. It looked as though they were building into the game when the injury occured and I don't see any reason why Siggy can't play the same type of role as Gomes in a 3 (I wouldn't want to see him in a 2). I would actually go as far as to say that if Siggy does actually want to continue his career in the Premier League then that is a role he needs to learn and learn quickly because there aren't many teams that facilitate an out and out 10 these days.

Yep, I think Gylfi for Gomes will be what Marco goes for. Against Southampton and Norwich though I’d seriously considers Iwobi in the midfield 3 ( flat not as a 10 ). 

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I don't even want to see this idiot on the bench. He offers nothing. Fuck all. He's not even good at chasing his own bastard shadow, never mind the shadows of the opposition. Our captain last night and I didn't even know he was on the pitch until just before half time! Davies was no great shakes next to him but Sigurdsson hung the lad out to dry and how he wasn't substituted at some point during the game is a fucking mystery.

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3 hours ago, Romey 1878 said:

I don't even want to see this idiot on the bench. He offers nothing. Fuck all. He's not even good at chasing his own bastard shadow, never mind the shadows of the opposition. Our captain last night and I didn't even know he was on the pitch until just before half time! Davies was no great shakes next to him but Sigurdsson hung the lad out to dry and how he wasn't substituted at some point during the game is a fucking mystery. 

Now come on Mark say what you really mean. 😊

Has been woeful lately, can't believe we still wanted to buy him after being held to ransom over the fee.

 

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He scores some great goals from time to time, but that's really all he offers at this point, and they are frequent enough to justify his place in the starting eleven. We need some pace in the center of the park. It wouldn't surprise me if we had the slowest midfield in the league. 

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