Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
BoroBlue

John Lundstram

Recommended Posts

Link

 

Sounds Interesting, heard alot of good things about him at the Euros but never heard much about him before then. Anyone have anymore info?

 

Wish I had a clue, but to be honest never seen him play

 

Love the sound of him though and its not the first time hes been mentioned in depatches.

 

Hope he lives up2 it

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Have to admit that while everyone has been watching Barkleys progress for Engalnd over the last 12 months this lad has been shinning.

Anyone who has seen him perform for England, i am sure would agree that he looks like a man playing with a team of boys.

 

I for one would be very suprised if this lad doesnt have a promising future ahead of him.

Watching him on international level he seems a great prospect, has anyone saw much of him for our own set-up?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I find his situation odd, he's been praised in UEFA's and FIFA's technical reports, played in three major competitions (UEFA U17, U19 and FIFA U17) and has never had a sniff of the first team. He's one of three players who've never had any first team experience from the UEFA U19 comp (one of the others is Hallam Hope).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Said it before but this guy is a prospect. he has a good pass on him, good vision and can shoot.

Really excited about this loan as i want to see how he handles the adult game. I think this will be the test for him and should bring him closer to the first team.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Holy shit, not 6 in over 10 years!

 

Considering that 2 of them were the best players of their age group at the time they came through and Seamus was in his 20's. It also took forever for Moyes to start him despite being the brightest player on the pitch when he came on (figuratively, clearly not literally!).

 

There is also a difference between being given a chance and getting token minutes on the pitch, and I think that is probably the most saddening thing considering how poorly the team have played for chunks of seasons and considering how many injuries we have had in the same time.

 

Anyway I think this loan for Lundstram is a good move. Its a shame its not to a club higher up the football league pecking order but any first team football for a young player is a positive.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just like Coleman, Barkley, Rodwell, Anichebe, Rooney...

 

 

Oh wait....

 

Good examples there Matt...

 

Barkley - a prime example of someone who has had the best seat in the house to watch a game for the past 2 seasons despite showing early on what he was capable (being mentioned by the likes of capello, running under 21 games) and then having to endure watching the likes of Neville and Heitinga fill in and trod around the midfield lumping nowhere balls. No progress in two years.

 

Rodwell - another one who came in early and showed unreal ability and composure only to be played on the right hand side, lose confidence, get subbed, lose more confidence. Get sold

 

Rooney - THE BEST talent we have brought through our youth ranks. Moyes decided that this raw talent needed subbing, playing on the left, subbing etc whilst England were using him to win world cup qualifiers, ultimately till he went to united where the manager played him pretty much non stop.

 

Anichebe - see Rodwell

 

Coleman - If it wasnt for the fact that he was playing in what I dare say is the weakest position - not only in our team but in the whole of the prem he would be anichebe/rodwell.

 

Shall I also throw into the mix:- Ruddy, Baxter, wallace, vellios,

 

anyhows onto an intewrest post I read elsewhere:-

 

Around 200 players in the history of Everton FC have made 100 or more competitive appearances for the club so had really cemented themselves in the first team for a concerted period of time. Of those 200, 51 or about a quarter were home grown and weren't bought from another club. (Though many more like Mercer and Wilson got their first professional games here.)

 

Of those 51 players, here are the managers to give them their debuts.

 

William Barclay (1 year): 1 (Johnny Holt)

Dick Molyneux (2 years): 1 (Samuel Wolstenholme)

William Cuff (17 years): 4 (Harry Makepeace, Sam Chedgzoy, George Harrison, Bob Balmer)

W.J. Sawyer (1 year): None

Thomas McIntosh (16 years): 5 (Ted Sagar, Charles Gee, Jimmy Cunliffe, Albert Virr, Jack Jones)

Theo Kelly (9 years): 3 (Eddie Wainwright, George Saunders, Tony McNamara)

Cliff Britton (8 years): 7 (Tommy Jones, Jimmy O'Neill, Jimmy Harris, Eric Moore, Mick Meagan, John Parker, James Tansey)

Ian Buchan (2 years): 3 (Brian Labone, Derek Temple, Albert Dunlop)

Johnny Carey (3 years): None

Harry Catterick (12 years): 10 (Mick Lyons, John Hurst, Colin Harvey, Tommy Wright, Roger Kenyon, Joe Royle, Jimmy Husband, Terry Darracott, Andy Rankin, David Johnson)

Tom Eggleston (0.08 years): 1 (Mick Buckley)

Billy Bingham (4 years): 3 (Mark Higgins, George Telfer, Dave Jones)

Steve Burtenshaw (0.08 years): None

Gordon Lee (4 years) : 3 (Kevin Ratcliffe, Billy Wright, Steve McMahon)

Howard Kendall (10 years): 4 (Gary Stevens, John Ebbrell, David Unsworth, Kevin Richardson)

Colin Harvey (3 years): None

Jimmy Gabriel (0.08 years): None

Mike Walker (0.92 years): None

Dave Watson (0.08 years): 2 (Michael Ball, Danny Cadamarteri)

Walter Smith (4 years): 1 (Tony Hibbert)

David Moyes (13 years): 3 (Jack Rodwell, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good examples there Matt...

 

Barkley - a prime example of someone who has had the best seat in the house to watch a game for the past 2 seasons despite showing early on what he was capable (being mentioned by the likes of capello, running under 21 games) and then having to endure watching the likes of Neville and Heitinga fill in and trod around the midfield lumping nowhere balls. No progress in two years.

Did you think that maybe he isnt ready yet? Or are you saying from what youve seen means you have a better understanding that someone who has worked with him on a daily basis and is actually a qualified manager? Or maybe he should be thrown into the mix too young and suffer the fate of Rodwell (great potential, over hyped, under performed)? I would love to have seen him play instead of Phil and Johnny, but only if he was ready and none of us here can judge that.

 

Rodwell - another one who came in early and showed unreal ability and composure only to be played on the right hand side, lose confidence, get subbed, lose more confidence. Get sold

So were going to ignore the constant injury problems then? The injury problems that didnt really allow him to develop as well as he couldve done, and are still crippling his career at City. Or the fact his favoured position was also the position of Felli, the clubs record signing? He was given game time, albeit out of position, in an attempt to give him more experience. He had several excellent games, he had several shite games. However, a few short years later, more mature and with more experience thanks to game time, he was sold to the EPL Champions. Why? Because Moyes put him on the pitch.

 

Rooney - THE BEST talent we have brought through our youth ranks. Moyes decided that this raw talent needed subbing, playing on the left, subbing etc whilst England were using him to win world cup qualifiers, ultimately till he went to united where the manager played him pretty much non stop.

He tried to protect a world class player in the making. 2 years later, more mature and with more experience thanks to game time, he was snapped up by United. How did he get snapped up? Because Moyes put him on the pitch.

 

Anichebe - see Rodwell.

See constant injuries and favoured positions.

 

Coleman - If it wasnt for the fact that he was playing in what I dare say is the weakest position - not only in our team but in the whole of the prem he would be anichebe/rodwell. But the point is, hes given a chance to play, and is still young right? So would that not be giving a young, dare I say youth, player a chance?

 

Shall I also throw into the mix:- Ruddy, Baxter, wallace, vellios,

These were talents that were not given a chance, and I agree they should be. But, im not an EPL manager, I dont know how they look in training. Im not saying Moyes has got it right everytime, but to effectively say he never gives the kids a chance is bullshit.

 

anyhows onto an intewrest post I read elsewhere:-

So hes nearly done the same as Kendall?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

There seems to be a view by some that players should be in the starting XI just because they are under the age of 21 irrespective of how good they are

 

People shouting for Stones when they have never even seen him play and probably hadnt even heard of him a few weeks ago is a prime example

 

Moyes has given plenty of youngsters a chance and the simple fact is that if they are good enough they stay in if they arent they dont

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rodwell was only used a couple of times at right mid in my memory - I was at every home game during his time at GP and can only remember him starting there once?! Arguably Moyes improved him by playing him centre mid which was technically out of position for the young prospect who started life as a centre back. Didn't Hibbert start life at right mid too? If there's going to be criticism for Moyes playing players out of position then surely there must be praise too?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rodwell was only used a couple of times at right mid in my memory - I was at every home game during his time at GP and can only remember him starting there once?! Arguably Moyes improved him by playing him centre mid which was technically out of position for the young prospect who started life as a centre back. Didn't Hibbert start life at right mid too? If there's going to be criticism for Moyes playing players out of position then surely there must be praise too?

 

 

Lol I can remember Moyes getting absolutely slated for playing Rooney in midfield, then 2 years later Sir Alex does exactly the same thing and is declaired a tactical genius

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rodwell was only used a couple of times at right mid in my memory - I was at every home game during his time at GP and can only remember him starting there once?! Arguably Moyes improved him by playing him centre mid which was technically out of position for the young prospect who started life as a centre back. Didn't Hibbert start life at right mid too? If there's going to be criticism for Moyes playing players out of position then surely there must be praise too?

He played him right mid and it was a disaster. He often brought him back too early from injury as well, Rodwell has natural talent and would have ended up a great player eventually whatever the club, if anything Moyes has been detrimental to Rodwell's progression.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He played him right mid and it was a disaster. He often brought him back too early from injury as well, Rodwell has natural talent and would have ended up a great player eventually whatever the club, if anything Moyes has been detrimental to Rodwell's progression.

 

 

That is not the managers decision, its down to the medical staff and the player himself to say if he is fit enough to be playing

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He played him right mid and it was a disaster.

 

I remember - he was awful, couldn't cross the ball but he didn't play there again in my memory. Fair enough if Moyes wants to try him there - it's not as if he perceveired with it!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

That is not the managers decision, its down to the medical staff and the player himself to say if he is fit enough to be playing

I'd imagine he'd never have been given another opportunity to play if he told Moyes no. Moyes is advised by the medical team, but it was clear for all to see Rodwell shouldn't have been on the pitch and at the end of the day it is Moyes' responsibility solely, that's why he gets paid so much. He ruined Golsing's career yelling at him to stay on the pitch.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

 

Lol I can remember Moyes getting absolutely slated for playing Rooney in midfield, then 2 years later Sir Alex does exactly the same thing and is declaired a tactical genius

 

I dony know how much of Rooney on the wing you have seen but whenever I have seen him play there he has been awful and not been involved. I have no idea why any manager would play him wide tbh.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Rodwell was only used a couple of times at right mid in my memory - I was at every home game during his time at GP and can only remember him starting there once?! Arguably Moyes improved him by playing him centre mid which was technically out of position for the young prospect who started life as a centre back. Didn't Hibbert start life at right mid too? If there's going to be criticism for Moyes playing players out of position then surely there must be praise too?

 

I only remember him being on the right a couple of times as well tbh.

 

Even now Im still not sure where Rodwell ia best. Never looked like a CB, maybe a DM but Im not sure he is your typical CM. His best games for us came when he was allowed to break forward. Never a RM though!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Getting rave reviews on one of the donny rovers forums, apperently bossed the game last night:

 

http://www.drfc-vsc....?topic=237765.0

 

"Was at the game tonight, he started off pretty nervy, first 10 minutes he gave it away a bit and looked a bit wayward but he was always in space, which is good - it shows even when he's playing badly he'll offer us something. After that he grew into the game and in the 2nd half completely ran the show in midfield, he was everywhere. He is that Richie Wellens type midfielder who we've been crying for, he has it all. Some of his passing was out of this world, purely world class stuff that nobody else in the squad can do, diagonal balls from halfway, cross field balls, through passes down the middle. No fecking way will he be in L1 next season, even at this early stage in his career his technique is unreal."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Getting rave reviews on one of the donny rovers forums, apperently bossed the game last night:

 

http://www.drfc-vsc....?topic=237765.0

 

"Was at the game tonight, he started off pretty nervy, first 10 minutes he gave it away a bit and looked a bit wayward but he was always in space, which is good - it shows even when he's playing badly he'll offer us something. After that he grew into the game and in the 2nd half completely ran the show in midfield, he was everywhere. He is that Richie Wellens type midfielder who we've been crying for, he has it all. Some of his passing was out of this world, purely world class stuff that nobody else in the squad can do, diagonal balls from halfway, cross field balls, through passes down the middle. No fecking way will he be in L1 next season, even at this early stage in his career his technique is unreal."

 

Sounds promising.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Good to see him having such an impact. Only just turned 19, still Fabregas was running the arsenal midfield at that age - so its not unrealistic to hope that in the next 12 months he has the potential to get some senior game time. I'm not saying being fabregas is just somethging that happens but you look at the likes of Wilshire who is pretty much spot on 2 years his senior and know he is at a stage where he really needs to try and stake a claim.

 

Moyesy does like to give youth a chance...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This young lad has had a real good last two years. He has moved forward at a good pace and is looking like he will become a solid premier league player. the next 12 months will show if he is to become a top class player.

 

But what i have saw of him looks very promising. Watching him play for Eu19's and control the game when everyone was busy watching Barkley realy made me look up and notice this guy. I remember watching a you tube vid of him that was a great showcase for a young lad.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Gone on loan to Yeovil.

hmmm... No disrepect to Yeovil, but I've got high hopes for this lad, as have many an Everton fan I think, and really wanted him to get time in the Championship. Hoping he will be playing alongside McCarthy in 2-3 seasons time, maybe sooner if we can't get Barry next season (only wages stopping us I think, can't see City offering him a new contract)

 

Edit: my bad, Yeovil were promoted last season apparently! Apologies to any visiting Yeovil fans! Though not for long if their results remain the same :unsure:

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
Sign in to follow this  

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...